The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

[Moses03]

What is really strange to me is that the first photo looked very familiar at first sight but that was probably sort of optical illusion.

Me too. I thought it was a Brochet of some sort but no.

[pomme homme]

The first one is, according to Roger Gaborieau, the Guelton HG-1 F-PAAN. It's when one turns to Pierre Gaillard that things get complicated. He says that Humbert Guelton produced a first light aircraft in 1939 and a second, F-PAAN, was modified in 1952 with a new registration F-PEAV and a Hirth 504-A2 motor. So is this one HG-1, without identity, and a second HG-1 which was modified, post-war, to become the sole HG-2 F-PEAV? Or is it one aeroplane that started its career as the HG-1 (F-PAAN) and concluded it as the HG-2 (F-PEAV)? I'm afraid that I don't know (but I know a place where I might find those who might!). For the present, Robert came closest so I'm minded to award him the frothing tankard. Please take us away, sir.

[fabulousfour]

Thanks, Mike, very confusing.

So here we go with a biplane that definitely had only a single designation.

[Sopwith Chameleon]

It's the Gotha GL VII methinks

[fabulousfour]

Indeed, the Gotha GL.VII in Ukrainian colors.

Over to you.

[Sopwith Chameleon]

Thanks ! Here's a blurry one .....

[Dev One]

Heinkel 100 D? Fin & rudder not quite right though.
Keith

[Sopwith Chameleon]

Not the Heinkel ...

[huub vink]

Is it perhaps the Kawasaki Ki-78 Kensan?

Cheers,
Huub

[Sopwith Chameleon]

Exactly ! Over to the Netherlands !

[huub vink]

Akemi made I noce model of the Kensan, which is why I recognised it.....

Over to another flying boat. It might have been here already as I have seen many flying boats in the past here:



Success,
Huub

[lefty]

Ahh, Huub, what a lovely floater. This is the Norman Thompson N.T.4, the early production model with a 2-pounder popgun mounted above the cabin. This apparently was never used, and it's not difficult too see why !

[huub vink]

Spot on! Lefty a Fokker or Koolhoven would be nice...... ;-))

[lefty]

Let's try this one...

[giruXX]

Aah, this nose (like a tunnel drill)!

De Monge M-101

[lefty]

Actually, Uli, this purports to be the prototype, the N.V.I. F.K.31, but as it is from the notoriously unreliable Jane's of the period, you are probably correct ! over to you -

(Any of our Dutch friends have chapter and verse on this one ?)

[giruXX]

wouldn't the cowling make the difference between the two? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVI_F.K.31

[giruXX]

onwards with a low-winger

[huub vink]

It was indeed a design from Frits van Koolhoven and built by the "Nationale Vliegtuig Industrie". The National Aviation Industry was founded by Wallaardt Sacré, a Dutch army officer with the help of Vickers. In 1922 Frits van Koolhoven joined the NVI after their original designer Joop Carley resigned.

Like many of Frits Koolhoven's designs the FK.31 was received very well, but soon turned out to become a disappointment. The Finnish Air Force ordered 12, but the aircraft wasn't very well received by the pilots and the 12 aircraft only made 6 (!) flying hours. As the NVI encountered a lot of production problems with the FK.31 the development of the aircraft was abandoned.

In France a single prototype with a Gnome et Rhone 9Ac engine was developed, as the De Monge M.101 C2. But the aircraft was not taken in production.

Lefty, thanks for bringing another odd Dutch design under the attention. The model clearly shows the hand of Frits van Koolhoven and looks very much like the BAT FK.23 Bantam by the same designer.

Cheers,
Huub

[giruXX]

20 built, advertised to be "auto-stable"

[fabulousfour]

Could this be the Nicholas-Beazley/Barling NB.3, Uli?

[giruXX]

Yes that's the bird

[huub vink]

Based on the shape of the rear wings and elevators I had expected a Dutch or German manufacturer.....

Cheers,
Huub

[fabulousfour]

On with a biplane.

[huub vink]

Is it the Polish PWS 16?

Cheers,
Huub