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Thread: The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

  1. #20601
    Yes Robert - quick off the mark on a Sunday morning !

    Perhaps you could confirm - in some sources this is referred to as the Otto B, but there is another 'B' model which is quite different ?

    Anyway over to you - is it as windy over there as it is here ?

  2. #20602
    Quite windy here, Mike, that's what threw me out of my bed.
    I can't sleep very well when it is windy and the whole home is rattling. However, last Sunday was much worse when we had wind speeds slightly above 100 km/h. But even that was nothing compared to the storm we had 2 years ago.

    Regarding the Otto biplane there may have been two B-types, my sources are a bit unclear.
    The first one is the pusher biplane from your mystery which is mostly referred to as the Otto Pusher Biplane from 1913, but at least two of my sources give the designation Otto B.
    My understanding is that the designation "B" is an internal designation of the Otto company.

    And then there is an Otto B from 1914 which is a two-seater in "normal" tractor configuration. Here the B is the military designation for an unarmed two-seater.
    These military designations were introduced around 1914.

    Looking for a new mystery now.

  3. #20603
    Here is a biplane slightly more modern.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails SOH-219.jpg  

  4. #20604
    More on the Otto.

    On the pusher the "Triple" rudder 1913 model and the "Single" rudder 1914 model.
    On the tractor Otto B.I there was the "Three" bay strut with 100hp Rapp engine
    and the "Two" bay strut aircraft circa 1914.

    Chris

  5. #20605
    First flight of the mystery was shortly after WW1.

    A (probably one-off) civil conversion of a type mostly used by the military.

  6. #20606
    Surprised it is still here, Robert, the Ansaldo A300T. Found it in the Putnam 'European Transport Aircraft since 1910'.

  7. #20607
    It is the Ansaldo A.300T, Mike.

    I have the photo from an issue of "Aviation Classics", where the history of Alenia Aermacchi is celebrated. Very interesting!

    Over to Scotland, please.

  8. #20608
    The first A.300. It's amazing to see how it's developed over a century!

  9. #20609
    This little machine is a newcomer here (hopefully) -
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails aanttf.jpg  

  10. #20610
    Hi Mike
    The 1948-built unique PM-280 Tartuca (I-GARA) by Emilio (Ermenegildo) Preti and built by CVV (Centro Studi di Volo a Vele del Politecnico di Milano)
    I understand she is still active. Has a retractable u/c!

  11. #20611
    ..and flaps ! Over to you, Walter.

  12. #20612
    Thank you Mike
    What makes this one different from all the others.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails quiz wmtodfatoo.jpg  

  13. #20613
    aero commander 690 with astazou turbo prop engines. later converted to turbofan engines.

    Chris

  14. #20614
    ..... standing outside the old GA terminal at Gatwick. Is it F-W/BSTM? That picture takes me back over half a century!

  15. #20615
    Correct Chris
    Photo credit Tim Martin. On the FAA Register she was N6300 mentioned as a Model 680T, s/n 1540-6 with the remark "exported to England"
    I am not strong at registers, but I guess she may have become F-W/BSTM.

    Go ahead Chris!

  16. #20616
    as far as I know only one coverted with aztazou engines. I remember seeing pics of it in the 60s.



    This next one is a mystery. So I will give all I have maybe someone can find more.

    A441 was, however, used by John V W Reynolds of the National Naval Volunteers - he crashed and was killed. Maybe this was the aircraft shown in the photo.

    This was taken from magazine dated 1915/16

    Can't find anything under Aeromarine that comes close.

    Chris
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Screen Shot 2020-02-10 at 7.38.16 PM.jpg  

  17. #20617
    Chris,

    There was no designation for the 1915 trainer as far as I can tell.

    Is this another photo of it?
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Aeromarine Biplane.jpg  

  18. #20618
    It looks like another pix of it.

    Aeromarine also built the DH-4B which this airplane had some similarities the gear, horizontal tail. I would have thought that building the DH-4B would have been later than 1915.

    Over to you.

    Thanks

    Chris

  19. #20619
    Thanks. Here is an early oddball. (Actually just slightly older that Chris' mystery).

    The designer was quite proud of the extra bit on top, saying it made the flying boat very stable.


  20. #20620
    Quote Originally Posted by wout View Post
    On the FAA Register she was N6300 mentioned as a Model 680T, s/n 1540-6 with the remark "exported to England"
    I am not strong at registers, but I guess she may have become F-W/BSTM.
    Having found the original photograph (taken at Gatwick on 18 June 1968), she was N6300 at the time. F.G.Miles converted her to Astazou power at Ford, Sussex. In 1969 she was UK registered as G-AWXK before being sold to Turboméca, in 1970, which replaced her Astazoux with Mk. I Astafans in 1971. Later these engines were replaced with Mk. II Astafans. Initially French registered as F-WSTM, in 1972 she became F-BSTM. Her registration was cancelled in 1991. She was given to the Mas Palégry museum but not transferred there. Instead she remained at Perpignan in the care of EAS Europe Airlines. When it went into liquidation, unknown to the museum F-BSTM was scrapped on site in 1996. Turboméca also converted a Commander 690 to Astafan IV power. She was F-BXAS.

  21. #20621
    The floater dates from 1911 with the additional device on top added in late 1913 (with a patent).

    From a major manufacturer that ceased building aircraft in 1948.


  22. #20622
    Many of these were built in varying forms and was very successful for the company.

    This unusual variant was first tested on Columbus Day, 1913 in the waters around Manhattan. It was said to be flying at 70mph when it passed by the cameraman.

  23. #20623
    Curtiss model E " Triad " ?

  24. #20624
    I'm not sure if this is an "E" or "A" but both is acceptable. Aerofiles has a Curtiss Hydro 1911 entry as well. (These headless pusher floaters overlapped in designations due to all the variations).

    The oddball part was from H.C. Fiske, who later was a Major with the Army Engineers.


    Fire away SC-

  25. #20625
    ...... Sorry for the delay - here's a "fishy" floater ....
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