The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

**fabulousfour** · August 19th, 2018, 12:01

Thanks, Carlo.

Here is another floater.

**lefty** · August 19th, 2018, 21:58

Considerable confusion (and not just on Lefty's part !) about the plethora of broadly similar designs produced by this company, but I'll plump for the CAMS 46

**fabulousfour** · August 19th, 2018, 22:42

Right on, Mike, it is the CAMS 46!

Over to Scotland!

**lefty** · August 20th, 2018, 01:06

Here's scruffy bunch oblivious to the hazards of smoking around aircraft - what is the machine they are with ?

**Baragouin** · August 20th, 2018, 03:55

Originally Posted by lefty

Here's scruffy bunch oblivious to the hazards of smoking around aircraft - what is the machine they are with ?

Perhaps just perhaps a Aero A32?
Cheers
Carlo

**lefty** · August 20th, 2018, 04:13

Wrong country, Carlo...

**Baragouin** · August 20th, 2018, 05:53

Originally Posted by lefty

Wrong country, Carlo...

I'll try again with a Svenska Aero SA12 (SK8)….
Carlo

**Baragouin** · August 20th, 2018, 07:39

My last try Vickers Type 178 Mk.III Valpa raiso built in Portugal with Gnome-Rhone Jupiter engine
Cheers
Carlo

After all the scruffy gang looks awfully portuguese!

**pomme homme** · August 20th, 2018, 07:53

I have to say that I found myself thinking Spanish Civil War republicans - which, if so, would open a veritable Pandora's Box when one has regard to the aeroplanes which they used!

**lefty** · August 20th, 2018, 08:06

I'm going to give this to Carlo for sheer persistence, also because he at least got the manufacturer right !

Those gentlemen are Bolivian, and it's a Vickers Vespa, of which they had four, I think.

Over from a wet Fife to, I imagine, a slightly sunnier Tuscany...

**Baragouin** · August 20th, 2018, 13:14

Originally Posted by lefty

I'm going to give this to Carlo for sheer persistence, also because he at least got the manufacturer right !

Those gentlemen are Bolivian, and it's a Vickers Vespa, of which they had four, I think.

Over from a wet Fife to, I imagine, a slightly sunnier Tuscany...

Thanks for your benevolence Lefty...however it's getting late here and I'll revert Tomorrow morning with a new mystery….thanks!
Cheers
Carlo

**Baragouin** · August 21st, 2018, 00:10

As promised I'm submitting a nice, clean and easy biplane….
Cheers
Carlo

https://imgur.com/a/eH4Hypj

**pomme homme** · August 21st, 2018, 03:35

Is that a Pander Type E?

**Baragouin** · August 21st, 2018, 06:36

Originally Posted by pomme homme

Is that a Pander Type E?

Yes Mike it is exactly Pander EC11 (PH-AEX)….your turn please
Cheers
Carlo

**pomme homme** · August 21st, 2018, 07:33

Thank you, Carlo. Initially I took myself on a wild goose chase, convinced that it was a German akaflieg aeroplane. Then I noticed that it was a sesquiplane, rather than a biplane, which led me to Pander.

Now here's another picture with both aeronautical and automotive interest .....

**giruXX** · August 22nd, 2018, 04:48

It's the Carley C.12

I found it via Mummert -> Holland H.2 -> Carley light monoplane

**pomme homme** · August 22nd, 2018, 05:51

I have it as the NVI Carley C.1 Baby of 1922. But having regard to how confused is the aeronautical nomenclature of this period (even allowing for the fact that this one is Dutch rather than French!), I think it highly probable that it also was known as Carley C.12. So over to you, Uli.

p.s. I've no idea what the car is - but hopefully not a Carleycar!

**giruXX** · August 22nd, 2018, 06:23

It’s indeed confusing; here is a list of all Carley’s, etc. https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/for...?topic=26065.0

I wouldn’t be able to distinguish between “Baby”, C.I and C.12
And here is the trailer photo in better resolution: http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/law1...rleyc12-11.jpg

**giruXX** · August 22nd, 2018, 06:58

and here comes a contemporary which, to my knowledge, isn’t another Carley:

**pomme homme** · August 22nd, 2018, 07:42

And here is the trailer photo in better resolution: http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/law1...rleyc12-11.jpg

Thank you, Uli. That's a much better image. Now I can see where the wing is, how it is being transported and how the aeroplane is being towed. I can just imagine the policeman flagging that combination down, and the explanation that Joop Carley might have given, as it was en route to the aerodrome!

***Moses03*** · August 22nd, 2018, 08:09

Foreground is the RAE Hurricane with the ANEC I in the back.

Both part of the 1923 Lympne light aircraft trials.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lympne...ft_trials#1923

**giruXX** · August 22nd, 2018, 10:18

that's the perfect answer

***Moses03*** · August 22nd, 2018, 12:17

Thanks. Here is a similar design which came later.

***Moses03*** · August 23rd, 2018, 04:30

A one-off fitted with a 45hp Anzani radial.

***Moses03*** · August 23rd, 2018, 12:37

It's listed at Aerofiles but under the registration only. Odd that.

There was a later version with a windscreen and wheel pants. Circa 1931 Oklahoma.