The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

[giruXX]

Sorry I could not answer. I used the nice weather to cut my apple trees.

How do you like this? No, it's not a Pataplume 0.5 (1 strut instead of 2).

[pomme homme]

Bien sûr, c'est une souricette. I love them. The last one that flew alongside me was going backward as I was going forward! God bless you M Barry!

Oh, I think that, this evening, I'm a touch more content than even I was yesterday evening. It's the auld alliance. Allez les autres Bleus!

[giruXX]

yes indeed enjoy a pint

[lefty]

Methinks somebody's unearthed a cache of French Flatpack Flivvers !

[pomme homme]

Shall we, then, stick with 'flivvers' - although this one certainly isn't a 'flat packer' as it predated that concept by many years.

[fabulousfour]

According to my library this should be the München Grane (maybe a typo there?) with a Douglas engine.

Didn't find a single hint about this wee bird on the net.

[pomme homme]

That's what I have too (including the same possible typo!), apparently constructed in 1928 by Tiling und Weiβ at Fliegervereinigung e.V., München with a 500cc Douglas S1 twin cylinder engine. And not a great deal more than that seems to be known about it! Over to Germany again.

[fabulousfour]

Thanks, Mike.
Though native speaker, I don't know the meaning of "Grane", so my guess would be that the original name of that bird was different and the transcription was faulty. I think we'll never know.

Next one is a bit bigger.

[lefty]

That, Robert, is the Breguet 413. Described as a fighter - must have been highly manoeuvreable !

Does anyone know what the wee aerofoil thingy is above the upper wing ?

[fabulousfour]

Maybe the pilot's seat for a better view at the enemy?

It is the Breguet 413!

Enjoy your pint, Mike.

[cthornburg]

I found this NACA period report on the Breguet 410 but couldn't find anything about structure above cockpit.

https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:...etadc64772/m1/

Chris

[lefty]

Thank you, Robert, also thanks Chris, to whom I must offer an apology - I have found the answer under my nose, in the relevant Jane's entry -
'A small aerofoil surface is mounted above the leading-edge surface of the top wing, behind the pilot's cockpit, to correct the flow of air disturbed by the cockpit opening.' (the notion of French designers of the period being concerned about airflow is somewhat hilarious....)
but thank you anyway for posting that splendid document - it never ceases to amaze me what is out there......

Back, inevitably, to the water -

[cthornburg]

Berliner-Joyce OJ-2

Chris

[lefty]

Spot-on, Chris.

[cthornburg]

Something in common with a lighter

Chris

[Moses03]

I moved Richard's mystery to it's own thread to avoid any confusion.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...nown-monoplane

[cthornburg]

Mystery plane is in Aerofiles but not this picture.

Chris

[giruXX]

Beco-Brown L-5, or B-5 perhaps?

[cthornburg]

That's it. trails with Butane as fuel as in "Butane Lighter"

Chris

[giruXX]

OK, what do we have here?

[fabulousfour]

Probably a Martin bomber with a fish bowl.

Could that be the Martin 166, Uli?

[giruXX]

Spot on Robert!

It's a Martin 166 (WH-3) of the Dutch Luchtvaart Afdeling in Dutch East India during the war.

[fabulousfour]

Let's go back to biplanes.

[lefty]

I think that could be an Avia BH-21 ?

[fabulousfour]

That definitely IS an Avia BH.21!

Slàinte!