The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

**Baragouin** · August 22nd, 2012, 02:22

Originally Posted by Baragouin

Lefty and Moses your feeling is driving you in the right direction. A couple of clues:
- country is Russia
- year is 1973-74
- she was built by a team of six.

One more clue: her name is eponymous to a town of the baltic states. There...you have her now!
Baragouin

To help you out further here's a colour pic of item in question

Baragouin

**wout** · August 22nd, 2012, 02:31

Hi Baragouin :salute:
Maybe the RIIGA-74 Experiment ?

**Baragouin** · August 22nd, 2012, 11:13

Originally Posted by wout

Hi Baragouin :salute:
Maybe the RIIGA-74 Experiment ?

Good evening Wout
yes my friend it is indeed the RKIIGA74 or RIGA74 a 1974 product of the Lenin Komsomol Institute

Your well deserved turn
Baragouin

**wout** · August 22nd, 2012, 11:55

This one is a little older.
The unusual wing configuration should give a (small) clue.

**Dev One** · August 23rd, 2012, 04:22

Hmmmmmmmm. No idea on the aircraft, but I wonder what the idea of the upper wing was? A Slat, therefore not stalling so easily??
Keith

***Ferry_vO*** · August 23rd, 2012, 04:28

Very early Lucas design for an X-wing, or does it flap those wings like a bird..?

***Moses03*** · August 23rd, 2012, 04:29

Good morning. This is the Starck AS-20 of 1942.

http://www.rexresearch.com/starck/starck.htm

Keith- I think Mr. Starck was experimenting with the Knoller-Betz effect as described in the link above.

**Dev One** · August 23rd, 2012, 06:55

Moses, Very many thanks for the link - very interesting & never heard of him or the effect before. Pity about the horrible translation for the control system though - don't understand a thing there, but will follow up elsewhere.
Again thank you.
Keith

[edit]
Been searching & found less that that on the link above, but as far as I can interpret the true Knoller-Betz effect requires the wing/s to oscillate about their lateral axis producing vortices & hence some thrust, so maybe there is another line of inquiry into the other name mentioned that I can't remember at the mo!
Still very interesting.
Keith

**wout** · August 23rd, 2012, 07:57

Hi Kevin :salute:
What could be expected from the master. Not only the correct answer, but also additional info

Attached the original photo, showing that the occupying forces were also interested.

***Moses03*** · August 23rd, 2012, 09:16

No, the Master hails from the lowlands. I just sweep up at night and turn the lights out before locking up.

Here is a real work of art. The origin should be plenty obvious...

**Baragouin** · August 23rd, 2012, 12:58

Originally Posted by Moses03

No, the Master hails from the lowlands. I just sweep up at night and turn the lights out before locking up.

Here is a real work of art. The origin should be plenty obvious...

This is a Nieuport-Delage NiD 37C1 of 1923 with Hispano-Suiza 8Fbr engine. Only one aircraft was built.
Cheers
Baragouin

***Moses03*** · August 23rd, 2012, 13:50

I had it as a 400CV?, but was not sure about that. 37C12 sounds good to me.

**Baragouin** · August 24th, 2012, 04:50

Good afternoon gentlemen
just to remain in french territory let me submit following rather grainy item....
Baragouin

**lefty** · August 24th, 2012, 05:28

This is the Villiers 11.

I posted another pic of this not so long ago - but it might have been in another forum..... ???

**Baragouin** · August 24th, 2012, 07:53

Hi Lefty
congratulations on the remarkably short timed reply!
However I have it (Aviafrance) as Villiers 4 not 11 which is obviously good enough for me

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BTW this item wasn't posted as of late as far as I can remember.
Your turn
Baragouin

**lefty** · August 25th, 2012, 03:48

I think I am losing me leetle grey cells, as Hercule would say.. I could swear I have posted the Villiers before, but have no access currently to my files, so cannot confirm - help, somebody !

Anyway, according to Aeronefs de l'Aviation Maritime, the Viiliers 4 was a twin-float job, the single-float second prototype was named the Villiers 11.

I cannot scan properly just now, so OH please, chaps...New mobo and processor have arrived so let's hope it's a painless installation...

***Ferry_vO*** · August 25th, 2012, 04:04

I have a photo of the Villiers that I saved on my disk on September 26th last year Mike, so no worries about your cells yet!

**Baragouin** · August 25th, 2012, 05:08

Originally Posted by lefty

I think I am losing me leetle grey cells, as Hercule would say.. I could swear I have posted the Villiers before, but have no access currently to my files, so cannot confirm - help, somebody !

Anyway, according to Aeronefs de l'Aviation Maritime, the Viiliers 4 was a twin-float job, the single-float second prototype was named the Villiers 11.

I cannot scan properly just now, so OH please, chaps...New mobo and processor have arrived so let's hope it's a painless installation...

Hello Lefty
it would be appreciated if you could scan, as soon as your PC is in order, a pic of the twin-float Villiers 4.
Anyway thanks for the information coming from such an authoritative source as les Aeronefs de l'Aviation Maritime.
Cheers
Baragouin