The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

***srgalahad*** · June 10th, 2021, 06:46

Another of those strange "I know where that is, now what is it?" backward solutions. Maybe I'd do better at geography quizzes than aeronautica obscura...

"In France, the Dorand Rotorcraft Company built, in 1951-52, an aircraft with an original design, the DH.011. It was equipped with a turbo-jet engine with double flux, the Turbomeca "Aspin I". The slightly compressed air of the second flux (the compression ratio was only 1.18) was directed to nozzles located at the end of the two huge blades. The cabin had four seats; the design cruising speed was 110km/h. Tests, carried out at Issy-les-Moulineaux were not as good as expected so they abandoned the aircraft."

Best I could emulate in Google Earth. Arched hangars are gone and trees are too tall now to see in Street View. Original probably taken nr Boul. Henri Farman looking SW

**pomme homme** · June 10th, 2021, 07:22

Right place, right beast - and it only took an hour!

When that photo was taken, the best part of seventy years ago, I doubt that there were many airfields with intensive development hard on their boundaries (Heston is an exception which immediately comes to mind). Nowadays, intensive development on airfield boundaries is far from uncommon. The trouble is that, in many cases, the encroachment by development doesn't stop on reaching the airfield boundaries - which is why we have far fewer airfields today than was the case in the fifties.

You have control, sir. Please take her away.

***srgalahad*** · June 10th, 2021, 07:45

I've always been enamoured of Issy and it's huge history, as well as other vanishing urban aerodromes - I learned to fly at one (Montreal-Cartierville, home of Canadair and Noorduyn).
We stayed about 6 blocks from Issy in 2016 and the only regret was not having time to go there for a helicopter ride around Paris. I think it's future is safe for now with the large heli operation and the fact it's home to the DGAC.

Now, on to a (Lefty? Moses?) pusher-floater

**Sopwith Chameleon** · June 10th, 2021, 08:35

Ireland N 2b ?

***srgalahad*** · June 10th, 2021, 15:21

2b or not 2b? That was the question.
2b is the answer (not 42)

'Tis all yours!

**Sopwith Chameleon** · June 11th, 2021, 00:25

Thanks ! On with what looks like a tin-plate toy .....

**pomme homme** · June 11th, 2021, 04:40

Carmier-Arnoux Simplex of 1922.

**Sopwith Chameleon** · June 11th, 2021, 06:04

That's the one ! - it must have been very hot in there - not that it was in the air for very long ....

- over to you sir ....

**pomme homme** · June 11th, 2021, 07:11

Thank you, Jim. Staying with 'flying planks', here's one of a more recent vintage which, alas, came to a sorry end.

***Moses03*** · June 11th, 2021, 19:36

Scott Winton's Facet Opal.

**pomme homme** · June 11th, 2021, 22:28

That says it all. Over to Texas!

***Moses03*** · June 12th, 2021, 08:24

Thanks Mike.

Bombs away!

**dan_pub** · June 13th, 2021, 01:16

Mitsubishi G4M Betty ?

***Moses03*** · June 13th, 2021, 07:37

Sure is.

**dan_pub** · June 13th, 2021, 08:24

It shouldn't last long.

(I suppose I should know the answer. I have few more difficult wots, but I don't know their id myself)

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**Sopwith Chameleon** · June 13th, 2021, 13:44

DeLesseps Monoplan ....?

**dan_pub** · June 13th, 2021, 21:31

Yes indeed, the 1910 monoplan de Lesseps.
Congrats.

**Sopwith Chameleon** · June 14th, 2021, 05:13

....... Thanks ! Here's a chunky chappie ....

**lefty** · June 14th, 2021, 22:49

Strictly speaking, Jim, this one is off-limits - we don't do mock-ups as a general rule !

Curiosity made me persevere. Mid-wing configuration made me think Brewster, but the tail unit was weird. Eventually stumbled on the early mock-up for the XA-32, looking a lot different from the others !

Try another one, Jim, or declare an OH. I'm off for the day - never refuse a free lunch !

**Sopwith Chameleon** · June 15th, 2021, 00:47

......... Ah ! As a canny Scot you saw through my little ruse ..... It is the XA-32 , the plane that finally killed off Brewster .

I hope you have a good lunch - hopefully a few drams will help you forget yesterday's disappointments.....

OH please

**fabulousfour** · June 15th, 2021, 04:28

Here is a nice little aircraft that would be in the category of ultralights nowadays.

**pomme homme** · June 15th, 2021, 05:18

It has the appearance of a Georges Sablier design, but I think that we've done all of those which came to fruition and were recorded photographically.

**fabulousfour** · June 15th, 2021, 05:51

Not a design from Sablier, Mike, and also not a one-off.
If you are familiar with aircraft of the WW1 era you wouldn't believe that the (well-known!) company built planes like this a few years later.