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Thread: The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

  1. #21001
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    There is some similarity to this - the "Bumble Bee" racer built by Otto (Wally's brother) Timm (c)1920.
    http://www.earlyaviators.com/etimm.htm


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  2. #21002
    Better photos of the C-1. Differs a bit though.

    http://all-aero.com/index.php/contac...-supply-co-c-1

    I found reference to an air meet at Long Beach circa 1921. Maybe the mystery monoplane was involved there?

  3. #21003
    does anybody here have an idea about this mystery aircraft?
    The picture is said to be a barn find.
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  4. #21004
    No luck here, Uli

    Didn't find it in my files and a search in the www was fruitless as well.
    All I can say is that because of the crosses on the wings the photo can't be from before the war but must be an early wartime photo.

    Have you tried the theaerodrome forum?
    There is quite an expertise over there regarding those early birds.
    Last edited by fabulousfour; May 13th, 2020 at 10:25.

  5. #21005
    Yes, the Aerodrome bunch is a good place to check.

    I wonder if it is something captured?

  6. #21006
    what puzzles me is the pioneer-aircraft-like appearance, as if it were pre-1914

    I’ve checked all Breguet’s Aircraft Challenges already in vain.
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  7. #21007
    Now, e.g. Doves/Tauben which are undoubtedly pre-war aircraft definitely saw action in the early stages of the war.
    I would show the photo in the aerodrome forum, perhaps somebody over there knows the type an it hasn't been a Breguet Challenge.

    Maybe Kevin is right and that is not a German design.

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  9. #21009
    I don't know the mysterious bird , but , as I saw the picture , I remembered this one showing the Grade Typ D and E at the ILA 1912 .

    About later Grade designs (Kunstflug ED , Militär ED etc...), Bruno Lange writes for the last one :" Eindecker with 140 hp engine offered to the army , but for sure not built "

    For sure ??? This could be the 1914 Grade design , but it's only a guess ...I still not know it .
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  10. #21010
    excellent ideas, mates!

    Mystery solved: Grade Militäreindecker 1914 see http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/sh...01&postcount=4
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  11. #21011
    I think we have OH.

    How about this? (Here, I have nothing more but its name and the occasion of the photo)
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  12. #21012
    Grade Info:

    Grober Rumpfeindecker, 1912 24/36hp Grade engine
    Type B Military Type, 1912 110hp Cirade engine
    Renneindecker, 1914 60/100hp Gnome engine

    So I assume the pics we have are of the later. I assume 2nd pix is the Type b Military type any of the first one?

    Chris
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  13. #21013
    it should be this:

    Militäreindecker, 52 kW(70 PS)-Gnôme-Motor. Mit zweisitziger Gondel, Baujahr 1914, die Militärbehörde lehnte ihn ab. Spannweite 10 m, Vmax 100 km/h.

    pictures: http://www.airwar.ru/enc/law1/grade2.html
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  14. #21014
    The actual mystery plane flew over a long distance to another continent. I wonder whether the type given is correct because I couldn’t find any other trace of it so far.
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  15. #21015
    That plane rings a bell, I think I've seen that kite before but I can't remember what or where.

    Is that a Pobjoy in the front, Uli?

  16. #21016
    no info about the engine
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  17. #21017
    I think I have it.

    Maybe a Wood Skypup?

    https://alchetron.com/Wood-Sky-Pup

  18. #21018
    I agree Googling for "SKYPUP microlight aircraft" shows many more.
    The one I found first flew from Kenilworth, UK to Muizenberg, South Africa to commemorate the 75th anniversary of the first airmail delivery on the continent!
    I specialty of the bird is its ultra-light and -cheap construction from foam and wood.
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  19. #21019
    Let's try this twin.
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  20. #21020
    Going with the Caproni 122.

  21. #21021
    Close enough to me, Kevin.
    I have it as Caproni Ca.123 which is the civil version of the 122.

    http://www.lombardiabeniculturali.it...u3010-0001994/

    Over to Texas.

  22. #21022
    A bit confusing, this one. The Ca123 was intended to have retractable gear, to compete with the DC2, and indeed there is a photo of such a prototype about (see below).

    But the earlier prototype (or perhaps it was modified) had the fixed gear as shown in your pic. I have seen both designations applied to both machines !
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  23. #21023
    Thanks Robert. I checked the Caproni bible and they had the panted version as the 122. Like Lefty said, have seen the designation applied to both.

    Onward with a moody twin.

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  24. #21024
    Had this down as Hanroit H-38 but now I'm not so sure......

  25. #21025
    Most definitely a hydravion but not a Hanriot.

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