The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

**Green** · October 7th, 2018, 13:51

North American NA-40?

**fabulousfour** · October 7th, 2018, 22:11

It is the NA-40!

Over to you, Green.

**Green** · October 7th, 2018, 23:16

Thanks Robert.
Another front view...

**giruXX** · October 8th, 2018, 00:27

The Rhein Flugzeugbau RF-1 perhaps

**Green** · October 8th, 2018, 00:51

Indeed it is.

**giruXX** · October 8th, 2018, 02:51

Here is another innovative design (for its time):

**lefty** · October 8th, 2018, 03:37

Gosh ! didn't even have to look up a book for this one - it's the S.E.4, Uli.

**giruXX** · October 8th, 2018, 04:20

Mike, your memory is as sharp as ever! The S.E.4 it is

**lefty** · October 8th, 2018, 07:17

Here's another nice bit of streamlining - maybe not as easy as you may think !

**Baragouin** · October 8th, 2018, 09:43

Originally Posted by lefty

Here's another nice bit of streamlining - maybe not as easy as you may think !

Hi all!
Looks very much like a Piero Magni PM2 but the landing gear doesn't fit....
Cheers
Carlo

**lefty** · October 8th, 2018, 10:25

Hi Carlo - I'm going to have to give you this, although you have confused me with the PM2 designation.

As far as my sources are concerned, this is the Magni Vittoria, which was altered in in six variations, A-F. This is the F, from 1925 !

Some sources refer to this as a sesquiplane because of the aerofoil struts..what difference do you see in the undercarriage, Carlo ?

**Baragouin** · October 8th, 2018, 13:07

Originally Posted by lefty

Hi Carlo - I'm going to have to give you this, although you have confused me with the PM2 designation.

As far as my sources are concerned, this is the Magni Vittoria, which was altered in in six variations, A-F. This is the F, from 1925 !

Some sources refer to this as a sesquiplane because of the aerofoil struts..what difference do you see in the undercarriage, Carlo ?

Thanks Mike!
Well I didn't know that Piero Magni's PM2 "Vittoria" (I-BASF)... had so many variations….I'm attaching the only pic I have of this beautiful Aircraft and you can appreciate that the Landing gear (and several other particulars) are different from the image you have submitted….but as usual one thing is true: in the aviation field you learn something every day…
https://imgur.com/a/VVjJ5UV
Now it's dodo time but first thing Tomorrow (which means around noon my time) I promise to submit a new mystery!
Cheers
Carlo

**Baragouin** · October 8th, 2018, 14:39

Of course Mike as usual you're right! The pic I submitted is the PM3-1 "Vale" (which is the only one I have) but the picture you submitted is indeed the Piero Magni "Vittoria" F type…
Cheers
Carlo

**lefty** · October 8th, 2018, 22:45

Hi Carlo
we look forward to your mystery - in the meantime, two more nice shots for your collection - the same Vittoria and a very nice shot of the Vale from Jonathan Thompson's book.....

Now that's what I call Italian flair !

**Baragouin** · October 8th, 2018, 23:12

Originally Posted by lefty

Hi Carlo
we look forward to your mystery - in the meantime, two more nice shots for your collection - the same Vittoria and a very nice shot of the Vale from Jonathan Thompson's book.....

Now that's what I call Italian flair !

Good morning Mike
thanks very much indeed for the beatiful Vale's pic! Now I'm submitting today's mystery born in a country where planes with folding wings are rather unusual….
Cheers
Carlo
https://imgur.com/a/91AqZKd

**Green** · October 9th, 2018, 00:23

Based on the Polikarpov R-5 - the Grigorovich TsKB-23 ShON (Shturmovik Osobogo Naznachyeniya). To deal with unruly Basmachi Tribesmen.

**Baragouin** · October 9th, 2018, 06:13

Originally Posted by Green

Based on the Polikarpov R-5 - the Grigorovich TsKB-23 ShON (Shturmovik Osobogo Naznachyeniya). To deal with unruly Basmachi Tribesmen.

Perfectly accurate Green! The only thing is that I have in my files Kocherigin instead of Grigorovich however it's Always a mess with russian names as the Whole thing came out as usual from TsAGI and probably both Grigorovich and Kocherigin worked on the very same project! compliments for the perfect transliteration of: Штурмовик оcобого назначения (special attack aircraft )
Waiting for your mystery now!
Cheers
Carlo

**Green** · October 9th, 2018, 11:25

Cheers Carlo.

***Moses03*** · October 9th, 2018, 17:44

Looks to be a Vultee, most likely a V-11.

**Green** · October 9th, 2018, 18:30

***Moses03*** · October 9th, 2018, 20:03

Been some time since I pulled one from the grain bin...

***Moses03*** · October 10th, 2018, 07:29

This was the designer's only fully built aircraft as far as I know. He was some kind of aeronautical genius though as there is all manner of published theory from the early 1920's up until the start of the war.

**fabulousfour** · October 10th, 2018, 08:23

Maybe the Akin Buckaroo?

***Moses03*** · October 10th, 2018, 14:35

Robert- Not the Akin as this one is from Europe. Known for participating in a 1923 event. It had a British built 10 hp engine but not from the UK.

**pomme homme** · October 10th, 2018, 22:32

Could it be one of the two Rene Arnoux Simplex monoplanes that competed at the Vauville Congrés of 1923? Both are similar and, so far, I haven't found photographs - but only three view drawings - of either against which to compare the photographs.