The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

**Baragouin** · February 26th, 2014, 01:48

Originally Posted by lefty

Grainy twin....

Hy boys and girls! I have this non descript item as the Stewart M2 with diesel powered Packard DR980 engines..... Cheers BG

**lefty** · February 26th, 2014, 04:21

Yes, BG - that's the one.

**Baragouin** · February 26th, 2014, 08:37

Hello boys and girls!
Here comes an even grainer one!
Cheers
BG

**lefty** · February 27th, 2014, 08:15

Hopfner/Hirtenberg HM.13 ?

**Baragouin** · February 28th, 2014, 01:54

Originally Posted by lefty

Hopfner/Hirtenberg HM.13 ?

Yessir it is indeed the Hopfner/Hirtenberg HM13/34 a very nice doubledecker produced in Austria in 1935

Your turn
BG

**lefty** · February 28th, 2014, 07:04

Here's a cute little fellow -

***Ferry_vO*** · February 28th, 2014, 07:47

Originally Posted by lefty

Here's a cute little fellow -

The company owner, founder and designer didn't think that planes with low wings flew well, hence the gull wing design as a compromise. This is the very first model, the later model has more of a 'razorback' design.

***Moses03*** · February 28th, 2014, 10:08

The Ferry special is the Koolhoven F.K.53.

**lefty** · February 28th, 2014, 13:21

Yes, I think the

has to go over the Channel.....

***Ferry_vO*** · February 28th, 2014, 13:26

I think Kevin had to do way more research on this aircraft than I did, so credits go to him. Besides, I have nothing interesting to post.

P.s. The F.K.53 was nicknamed the Junior, and had the registration PH-FKJ, for Frits Koolhoven Junior.

***Moses03*** · February 28th, 2014, 15:47

I thought it was an LWD design at first. Wish we could get some FS modelers to work on a few of his planes! I like the F.K.44 and F.K.57 especially.
Here is a grainy floater. Have a lot of floaters in the queue...

**lefty** · February 28th, 2014, 21:58

Originally Posted by Moses03

Have a lot of floaters in the queue...

Goody goody ! Can never get enough floaters - this one's the Potez 450.

***Ferry_vO*** · February 28th, 2014, 23:56

Originally Posted by Moses03

I thought it was an LWD design at first. Wish we could get some FS modelers to work on a few of his planes! I like the F.K.44 and F.K.57 especially.

Me too, but sadly most information was lost when the factory was bombed during WW2. Most photos still available are already floating around the internet and it will be hard, if not impossible to find accurate drawings or interior photos.

**Daveroo** · March 1st, 2014, 06:53

my god...where do you guys find this stuff?...id like to "play"..but while im scratching my forehead in confusion.....yall are already answering,in a discussion and moved on to the next plane....

***Moses03*** · March 1st, 2014, 08:00

These photos come from all over the place; books, old magazines, newspapers, internet trolls, other forums, dusty steamer trunks etc.

Lefty is of course spot on with the Potez.

Over to the Scotsman-

***srgalahad*** · March 1st, 2014, 08:56

Originally Posted by Daveroo

my god...where do you guys find this stuff?...id like to "play"..but while im scratching my forehead in confusion.....yall are already answering,in a discussion and moved on to the next plane....

As Moses says the pics come from a lot of musty places. While some are found on the internet, many more come from extensive collections of old books and photos we've been stashing away on groaning bookshelves.

Part of the 'secret' to identifying them is that most of us have been at it for ages and so we tend to recognize traits and 'family resemblances' that lead us to countries, builders, foggy memories of pictures-once-seen. The amazing thing is that of the thousands of aircraft posted in here over the years, very few have been accidentally ( or intentionally) repeated. One can fill many hundreds of hours learning the 100-year history of aircraft.

Actually, this is a 'gentle' contest. A few of the sites that indulge in this insane activity show only small parts of the aircraft and then make you figure out the source, like this one... http://www.dauntless-soft.com/aviaqu...ive.asp?id=133
or this... http://www.dauntless-soft.com/aviaqu...ive.asp?id=124

Even if you can't identify an aircraft before the "pros", it's a great place to learn about what went before...

**lefty** · March 1st, 2014, 12:16

How about this one, Daveroo ?? As usual, I've obscured the markings on this chunky big brute.......

***Moses03*** · March 2nd, 2014, 11:12

Siemens-Schuckert Forssman R of 1915.

For the record Dave, it showed up on page 188 in my copy of Janes's Fighting Aircraft of WWI.

Also plenty of reference material here:
http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft25829.htm

**lefty** · March 2nd, 2014, 13:39

Absolutely right, Kevin, it's the She.. er, German thingy...

Over to Texash...

***Moses03*** · March 2nd, 2014, 14:15

Here is another Salon baby. A lesser known one at that...

***Moses03*** · March 3rd, 2014, 07:57

Here is a top view. Appeared in 1930 with a Salmson engine.

**Baragouin** · March 4th, 2014, 02:10

Could she be a Levy-Biche 4 H02?
BG

Correction:
She must be the Levasseur PL12...
BG

***Moses03*** · March 4th, 2014, 05:58

It is the PL.12

Well done BG.

Lefty was being a bit modest here.

**lefty** · March 4th, 2014, 06:21

Notice all those chaps in a huddle, keeping well away - d'you think their mummies told them not to go near levasseur..... ???

**Baragouin** · March 4th, 2014, 10:35

Thanks Moses
this is my today's challenge.
The proposed Aircraft is very common but in the early fifties it was refurbished and became a single seater (it normally was a two seater) .....besides in the early forties it was the personal Aircraft of a well known manufacturer.....
BG