Too new for me, Walter !
Too new for me, Walter !
This is the VOTEC 252 (252T) HB-YMU by MSW Aviation AG from Switzerland. Designer Max Vogelsang and VOTEC standing for VOgelsang TEChnics.
Other designs include the VOTEC 322, 351, 452, 252 (single/2-seat aerobatic aircraft)
Friend GOOGLE has them!
Open House please
Here's something different -
Thomas-Morse R-5?
Yes it is ...
Something from the same era...
Hi Moses!Originally Posted by Moses03
Something from the same era...
There are very few aircrafts that I know of with five engines...could it be a Caudron C43 of 1920? (If it isn't never mind I'm used at cutting poor figures...)
BG
Good call on the fiver BG!
I got it this time Moses!
Here's my offer....
BG
No takers yet?
She's from US built in 1930 only one produced and it's in AeroFiles....
Good luck
BG
Well this seems to be a real hard nut to crack open......it is the Gregor GR1 built in the U.S. in 1930 which was supposed to become the anti-crisis Aircraft but it didn't work as only one was ever built!
Whose turn is it now?
BG
Sorry BG, have been involved with our annual flight sim race and didn't get a chance to hunt for this one. (Didn't know it!).
Let's go open house.
This is my offering:
Keith
So many of those Gloster designs were variations on the same theme - I think this one is the Gambet.
Or otherwise known as the Nakajima A1N.
Over to you Mike,
Keith
Thanks Keith -this one qualifies for the Ugly Bug competition -
Hope you don't mind if I digress - please, somebody tell me what this odd attachment is to the B-17 in question ? There's a dram of single malt going....
Is it the tube for streaming out the long wire aerial?
Keith
Found this:-
Its on Sally B.
Last edited by Dev One; February 18th, 2014 at 23:20. Reason: Added picture
Sounds good to me Keith. Not sure what it is.
Lefty's latest has a east europe feel...
A bit further west, sir.......
(re the other mystery -Keith's explanation is plausible but this one is bigger, in a different place and actually points forward ! Think I might post it on the other forum where there are guys who know every rivet on a B-17....)
Further evidence found by just googling B17 photos, one shows the crew positions & the Radio operator is amidships about that position in the fuselage.
Not all photos though show that tube, but there are others, other than Sally B showing it.
As for the other question....dont know where to start at the moment!
Keith
h**p://tonytessitore.smugmug.com/MuseumofFlight/B-17/i-FVJLhXs - this shows the installation of the tube and aerial complete with heavy lead weight.
(Doctored link, just add 't's)
Images 7, 21,25,& 29 all show the trailing aerial.
K
Waaaay further west as possibly a Loening PA-1?
Check out the antenna on a B-25, if that's any guide:
Moses , having scoured the Balkans, finally stumbled upon the Loening PA-1 from the Big Apple
Dan ,that's the best picture I've seen yet of the B-17 trailing aerial, but actually it helps to convince me that the object in my photo is not an aerial. It's on the wrong side of the aircraft, in the wrong place, and it is pointing forward.
What I think now, as suggested by someone else, is that is simply a mirror on a pole hung out of the waist gunner's position, to assist in training the ball gunner. Can't see it as a permanent fitting or else it would show up in other photos.
Mike, not sure that your direction is correct. If you look to the left & above the ball turret you can see the cut line of the wing to fuselage fillet - this is the trailing edge of the fillet, so forward direction is to the left. And my guess is that on different marks of the B17 could have the aerial tube in a different place, but its not that far removed from the Radio op position. They may also have found that the position shown in your picture the aerial wire could have fouled the guns, suggesting that your photo shows an early model!
Keith
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