The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

**lefty** · August 27th, 2012, 21:53

OK, fellows, sorry for the delay. (PC not fixed yet)

Firstly, fulfilling Baragouin's request........

**lefty** · August 27th, 2012, 21:55

and now a wee pre-war trainer for you.....

***Moses03*** · August 28th, 2012, 07:17

Note the palm tree in the far right background...

**Baragouin** · August 28th, 2012, 11:24

Originally Posted by lefty

and now a wee pre-war trainer for you.....

This is the Walraven W4 from Indonesia built (under dutch supervision) in 1938 and fitted with a Walter Mikron engine
Cheers
Baragouin

Thanks so much Lefty for the nice pic of the Villiers 4

**lefty** · August 28th, 2012, 13:24

Well done Baragouin (I suspect Moses knew the Walraven also!)

Over to you -

**Baragouin** · August 29th, 2012, 00:24

Originally Posted by lefty

Well done Baragouin (I suspect Moses knew the Walraven also!)

Over to you -

Thanks Lefty.
I'm busy now therefore please be kind enough to bear with me till this evening when I hope to dig out a suitable enigma to pass on....
Baragouin

**Baragouin** · August 29th, 2012, 08:10

Thanks for your patience gentlemen!
I'm sure it is going to be a piece of cake to guess the identity of following ill-fated fellow
Cheers
Baragouin

**DHC2Pilot** · August 29th, 2012, 20:50

Navarro Chief - I haven't seen this particular photo of her before though. Anyone have a photo of the Navarro KR-1 or the Navarro Nereid? I'm not sure if those were projects or if they ever were built, thus they have remained in the 'No Photos' section of my archives. Navarro also had an amphibian on the drawing board - a concept model was built (below). He had some interesting ideas regarding aerodynamic stability which didn't seem to fare well in real world testing.

**Baragouin** · August 30th, 2012, 00:17

Hello DHC2 Pilot
Yes, it is indeed the Navarro Chief. I read somewhere that this particular aircraft only flew once amd was auctioned in 1932 in the UK.
I'm also interested in the question you have risen i.e.: was the Navarro Naiad ever built or was it merely a project? Does anybody know?
Cheers
Baragouin
your turn of course DHC2 Pilot

***Moses03*** · August 30th, 2012, 13:05

I have searched for the Navarro amphibian in the past. I don't think it was ever built.

**DHC2Pilot** · August 30th, 2012, 14:05

Here's a nice floater to ponder

***Moses03*** · August 30th, 2012, 19:16

This one seems vaguely familiar. Something German perhaps? Can't recall for sure.

**lefty** · August 30th, 2012, 22:32

The Navarro amphibian metamorphosed into the Sponson Tribian, and sadly only a mock-up was ever built..

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...0-%201177.html

As for John's wee floater, the photo looks very similar to one of the Klemm Ki 35 that I posted a while ago, but it's not a Klemm, methinks.

**DHC2Pilot** · August 31st, 2012, 14:23

Negative on the Klemm or any German connection that I'm aware of - she's an all american girl. 5 were built in the early '30's.

**DHC2Pilot** · September 1st, 2012, 14:26

We'll move along - this is the Westbrook W-5. Apparently the design was going to be revived in 1939 as the Allied H-28 sport trainer, however no aircraft were ever built. Open house.

**wout** · September 2nd, 2012, 05:21

Hi DHC2Pilot :salute:
Nice choice the Westbrook W-5. Never heard of that one and apparently I am not the only one

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This one as interlude. Should be easy.

**Baragouin** · September 2nd, 2012, 06:53

Hello my friend
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd HCP25.
I don't know when it was built and which engine was fitted. It seems only one prototype was ever built
Cheers
Baragouin

**wout** · September 2nd, 2012, 08:12

Hello Barragouin :salute:
indeed the Hindustan HCP-25 (or L.A.S. Logistic Air Support). Unfortunately not much is known about this aircraft, as you already pointed out .
It is possible that the aircraft was modified from a Noorduyn Norseman and comparing it to the latter the changes in the undercarriage, vertical tail and cabin windows are evident. IF it was a modified Norseman, the engine could have been a P&W R-1340, although I will not exclude the British Alvis Leonides or a Wright engine. First flight date is reported as September 1960 and the development was under the leadership or Dr. V.M. Ghatage.
Anyone out there who knows more ??

Your turn, Sir

**Baragouin** · September 3rd, 2012, 08:03

Hello Wout and everybody
a flying wing for a change...this is going to be a piece of cake....
Cheers
Baragouin

**lefty** · September 3rd, 2012, 09:09

Flying Wing ? MOSES !

***Moses03*** · September 3rd, 2012, 09:24

Hehe. This is the Stout Batwing of 1918.

Nice photo Baragouin!

**lefty** · September 3rd, 2012, 09:35

Did it ever get out of that hangar ?

(By the way, I am being a passive observer this week - having a week in Yorkshire a long way away from my books ! MInd you, I'm not a million miles from the excellent Yorkshire Air Museum....}