The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

**lefty** · November 14th, 2008, 05:29

No it isn't one of Coanda's efforts,although similar in concept.

It is, naturally, French. Any other takers ?

**& Co.** · November 14th, 2008, 08:55

"Naturally". Psss :d
Did it fly ?

***Moses03*** · November 14th, 2008, 09:12

Maybe something from the Dufaux Brothers? I am a little suprised that some of us have not run across this one before.

***Ferry_vO*** · November 14th, 2008, 12:17

I'm sure I would have remembered if I had seen it before..!

Was looking at Coanda projects myself, but didn't come up with anything.

**lefty** · November 14th, 2008, 16:02

Sorry, chaps, been distracted for a while. Time to put this monster to bed.
It is a De Monge/Buscaylet Experimental from 1918.
Louis de Monge was a propeller designer, who later founded his own company but built this for Buscaylet.
Did it fly ? Nobody knows.
If not, I apologise. But it deserves to be here just because it is so, well, awful.

Here's something more real.

**Ralf Roggeveen** · November 14th, 2008, 21:42

Think it might be an AASI (Advanced Aerodynamics & Structures Inc.) Jetcruzer 450...?

**lefty** · November 14th, 2008, 22:44

The early bird strikes!

of worms for Ralf !

**Ralf Roggeveen** · November 14th, 2008, 23:02

I have to get up at 6 every morning to feed the 5 cats. (It's better than having to get up at 5 to feed the 6 cats...though it may one day come to that.)

...is this too easy?

**lefty** · November 15th, 2008, 00:20

Well I posted this one a long time ago - and I have a feeling nobody got it. Let's see this time. I am off shopping (yuk) and don't expect it to be there when I get back !

***Ferry_vO*** · November 15th, 2008, 02:24

Before I go out to do my shopping, I'll guess it's the Breda-Zappata BZ.308.

Figured that the canard was either the Beech model 115 or the Jetcruzer 450, but couldn't find a photo of either last night...

**Ralf Roggeveen** · November 15th, 2008, 03:49

Yup, you got the Breda, Ferry. It is very difficult to get pictures of the Jetcruzer 450 - I worked it out from similar configuration to the 500, which is actually first in one of my books, AASI coming before even Aermacchi.

Your turn now. I wonder what lefty's buying? Christmas presents?

Another

to Ede!

***Ferry_vO*** · November 15th, 2008, 04:01

Yep, it looked like the Beech Starship 2000, of which Scaled Composites (Burt Rutan's company) once built an 85% scale model, called the model 115. I then recalled the Jetcruzer had a similar wing configuration, and I did find out about the 450 model, but it was getting too late to look any further. And I'm not exactly an 'early bird'.

Here's something interesting:

**lefty** · November 15th, 2008, 05:24

Well I bought no presents today, but did get my cards.

Ferry's right - his mystery is interesting - it is the Planet Satellite from, believe it or not, 1948 !

I don't feel so bad now about my De Monge, because this one here definitely did not fly !

***Ferry_vO*** · November 15th, 2008, 05:28

Originally Posted by lefty

because this one here definitely did not fly !

Yes it did ! Not for very long, and it crashed on both occasions, but it did fly! (Well, hop actually..) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Satellite

"The Chief Test Pilot at RAE Farnborough, Group Captain H.J. Wilson (holder of the World speed Record in the Gloster Meteor), after several long runs down the runway, managed to get the Satellite airborne at Blackbushe. The first "hop" was followed by the collapse of the undercarriage. After repairs, the prototype was flown off the ground and after reaching an altitude of barely 20 ft was put down on the ground gently but nonetheless, the main keel had been cracked by the force of the landing. The conclusion of the Air Registration board investigating the "accident" was that the aircraft was badly understressed and would necessitate a complete redesign.
The manufacturers had already begun the production of a second prototype and despite an investment of £100,000, chose to wind down the program with no further attempts to fly the Planet Satellite."

To make it even more interesting, the fuselage of the second protoype was used in 1952 to build the 'Firth Helicopter' which never did fly.

**lefty** · November 15th, 2008, 05:31

Off to watch Scotland being slaughtered by the Springboks.

Just to prove it ain't only French kites that are ugly...............

***Moses03*** · November 15th, 2008, 07:59

That's the 1922 Bristol Racer (G-EBDR). BTW- I was fascinated by the DeMonge.

Moving the show along-

**lefty** · November 15th, 2008, 08:25

Well, reverse-rake windscreens (sorry, windshields) were largely a Western Hemisphere fashion (an ugly one at that -did they not possess wind tunnels?) so I suppose we'll have to delve into those archives.

**lefty** · November 15th, 2008, 08:53

Is it another obscure Mexican ??

***Moses03*** · November 15th, 2008, 12:47

Hmm, I really thought this one would last about 5 min!

Not from Latin America...

***Moses03*** · November 16th, 2008, 08:33

This is from Europe and was built for a single purpose, except that it wasn't finished in time so it ended up delivering mail until the war broke out.

**lefty** · November 16th, 2008, 09:09

Air-Couzinet 10 ??

***Moses03*** · November 16th, 2008, 09:29

Yep, it's the Air Couzinet 10 v2 built for the Istres-Damascus-Paris air race. The first one was a completely different model.

Close enough just guessing the AC-10.

Over to you.

**lefty** · November 16th, 2008, 15:42

Would not have got the Couzinet without big hints.

Here's another one-off.

***Ferry_vO*** · November 16th, 2008, 15:46

Looks like a Sadler Vampire but I never heard of an armed version before. Maybe a creative owner..?

**lefty** · November 16th, 2008, 16:08

That was quick - it is the Sadler A-22 - converted from the Vampire not by a belligerent owner but by Mr Sadler. Apparently they nearly
sold it to the Turkish Air Force. Here it is ready for bed. (Like me - goodnight all)

to Ferry.