Me262 over Gloucestershire

[ian elliot]

I was at Fairford this weekend, and although i didnt take to many pic's, i couldn't resist trying to capture the Flugmuseum Messerschmitt/Airbus 262 replica, not great quality, but im happy

[eddie]

Great pics Ian !!

[huub vink]

Must have been quite an impressive sight Ian! I envy you...

Cheers,
Huub

[Shessi]

OMG!! fantastic, prob my fave ac or the Mossie, didn't realise it was at RIAT....

Hopefully get a Mossie here soon.

Thx for the HU Ian.

Cheers

Shessi

[anels9]

Very nice photos Ian, that second photo makes the me262 particularly menacing.

I was curious to see you write airbus 262. Googling this made me realise that the aircraft in question “D-IMTT” is officially supported by airbus. And never before had it really been flown outside of the US or Germany. Very interesting.

I wonder if someone has done a nice repaint of the IMTT on the flight replicas model for fs9

[ian elliot]

https://www.google.com/search?q=me+2...vid:93Q143t8R9

Heres a clip from its arrival on the Thursday. I went on Sunday, i wanted to take a few pics of it static, but could'nt find it, it turned up after its display at about 4 in the afternoon at the east end of the airfield after its display but because of the weather, had its covers on

[fs10inator]

Ditto on the 2nd pic; it's my favourite perspective of any airborne fighter, and shows its beauty off really well!

[Allen]

The paint on that 262 has always been off to me. Like it is too far up on the fuselage overall.

[Sbob]

I wonder what they are using for engines?
The original Jumo's had a rebuild time measured in single digit hours.

[Allen]

Nope. General Electric CJ610

The combat Jumo 004 had restrictions on materials they could be built from so they did badly but the prototypes that didn't have material restrictions did as well as can be expected of Jet engines from that era IIRC.

The Flying Heritage Collection was trying to get there original 262 flying with I'm guessing is all new reproduction 004 and it looks like back in 2019 it was rolling around using them.

[huub vink]

The paint on that 262 has always been off to me. Like it is too far up on the fuselage overall.

Over the years I said many things about paint, colours and schemes. We base our opinion mainly on poor black and white pictures, or at 80 years old colour chips. I must have told it more often I have taken RLM colour chips from the wings of a Bf109, which were recovered after a crash after the was and had been on display for many years. I have taken RLM chips fro a Bf109 fuselage of an aircraft which was excavated in the nineties of the previous century. It has been in a mildly acid soil layer for fifty years. I can assure you the RLM colours from the wings didn't even get close to the RLM colours from the wings........

It is the same with schemes, different factory plants used different schemes and you could wonder whether uniformity still had any priority for the Germans at the end of the war. And even during the war. Look at the FW190 A-5 from the Flying Heritage Combat Armor Museum, which was delivered to the Luftwaffe in a standard RLM scheme, added theatre marking and after that repainted in the field, most likely even with Russian paint.

For the Me262, to be honest I personally don't think I would have gone for this paint scheme, but I'm sure the Flugmuseum must have had its reasons. Based on the pictures below, I think it is actually (close to) authentic.

Cheers,
Huub

[Allen]

It is right but feels wrong compared to other paints. Like the fade should start at the red line in the attachment so you don't see the gray when view from above.




https://www.airplane-pictures.net/ph...-262-schwalbe/

[Allen]

@anels9 Yes there is.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...nks_search.php

Also for my own poops and giggles. I yoink-ed the CFS3 262 model and loaded it into Blender and have been repainting it in PSP6.

I may try to convert it to FS04 but I feel this may be come a Slurpee TM idea. It taste good so you keep drinking it tell the brain freeze hits than you hate everything about it.

[Bomber_12th]

Thank you for sharing these photos, Ian! The week following RIAT, the Me 262 was hanging out with the BBMF and Rolls-Royce at Coningsby.

Photo: Aeroplane Monthly



Photo: BBMF



And a couple images of the BBMF Spitfire Mk.V escorting the '262 upon its arrival to the UK. Photos: Darren Harbar

[Bomber_12th]

Similar formations have been done in the US with the Military Aviation Museum and Collings Foundation '262s.

Photo: Steve Zimmermann



Photo: Keith Snyder



Photo: Nigel Hitchman



Photo: Ryan Harris

[anels9]

Wonderful photos!

i hope flying heritage get their Jumo powered 262 flying.

[Bomber_12th]

i hope flying heritage get their Jumo powered 262 flying.

Me too. In interviews back in 2019, Steve Hinton, who would be conducting the test flying, seemed confident that it would be safe to operate, especially with the newly-manufactured Jumo engines. A friend of mine that recently visited the Flying Heritage & Combat Armor Museum mentioned that they're currently in the process of reassembling the Me 262 at the museum (following its disassembly and transport from Arlington, WA, where it had been previously). They're also currently in the process of getting several of the FHCAM aircraft back up to flying status, with public flying displays likely resuming next year, though no word yet on whether or not the Me 262 is among those still planned to be flown. Prior to the shutdown of the museum in 2020, the original plan had been to perform several test flights with the Me 262 at Moses Lake, before transporting it to Paine Field and likely retiring it to the museum. I do like what I'm hearing and seeing following the museum's sale to Steuart Walton and recent reopening, with the various restoration projects that had been underway for Paul Allen that were stopped in 2020, being active once more. Walton's plan does have the museum moving from Everett to Arkansas about three years from now, which will make it more centrally-located within the US. I'd imagine the goal is to have all of the aircraft that can be safely flown that distance, back up and operational again. I've been really looking forward to seeing the FHCAM Stuka finally completed and operational too.

[Shessi]

B12,
Yes, great set of pics, many thanks for posting.

Also for the FHCAM interesting update.

Love the shot of the Spits, P-51 and Me262...the pinnacle of the piston engined era along with the future of aviation...


Cheers

Shessi

[anels9]

Thanks for the update about the museum. Had no idea it was shut down! What a shame. Hopefully the future is bright for them.

Does anyone know if cfs2/cfs3 aircraft work in fs2004?

[Allen]

CFS2, Yes. CFS3, Nope. CFS3 .air files and aircraft.cfg can sort of work in FS02/FS04. CFS3 models are a completely different format. Things like 3D Ripper DX or Ninja Ripper can hook into CFS3 and make a 3d screen shot of the model than it can be rebuild.

I dumped the CFS3 262 I have been working on into FS04 today. Exterior model only and most animates are working.


Also nice post count anels9.

[anels9]

Looks very nice Allen, good work there!

haha yes, I too noticed that. On purpose obviously

does the a2a me 262 from their power pack work in fs2004?

[Motormouse]

Looks very nice Allen, good work there!

haha yes, I too noticed that. On purpose obviously

does the a2a me 262 from their power pack work in fs2004?

CFS2, Yes. CFS3, Nope.

you'll need to remove any CFS2 .dp (damage profile) files and add the UI section in aircraft.cfg file; may also need to adjust the min throttle setting in .cfg file too

ttfn

Pete

[huub vink]

Most probably the best Me262 models are the payware ones by Flight Replicas. The model is not available at the Flight Replicas site anymore, but there are still some re-sellers who offer these models.




My favourite repaint, for the reconnaissance version by TonyG

There are also some freeware models, but it seems most of these are based at the old CFS2 model from VB_planes model by Graham.


A coversion to FS2004 by Warrant


A "Pulkzerstörer" with 50 mm Cannon by A.F. Scrub


A "normal" Ms262 A-1 by the same author

[huub vink]

There are several versions of the same nightfighter, based on the VB_planes model. There is one by Erwin "Bavarian" Welker and a very similar one by Warrant.

This is the version by Warrant with a livery done by me, which was never uploaded.


And there is original model done by Pierre Marchadier, Gilles Mercier, Jean-Pierre Langer and Benoit Dube



Morten did a huge texture package for this model. Perhaps not the best model, but easy on the framerates, which is why I use it as AI.

And there are several sweptback wing versions by various authors. Perhaps the best know one is done by Ito-San, but there are several others.

All freeware models are quite basic and definitely show their age. Perhaps a certain person from the south of the UK can bring change this. Or just spend roughly $20 and purchace the Flight Replicas one, which I can recommend.

Cheers,
Huub

[rohan]

Huub,
many thanks for your input here. Somehow, it seems that I have missed TonyG's contributions to the FR stable altogether, so I will be correcting that omission today,
thanks again,
Ro