Dr. House meets Smokey The Bear
Page 1 of 6 123456 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 157

Thread: Dr. House meets Smokey The Bear

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Charter Member 2022 srgalahad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    CYYC or MMSD (GMT -7)
    Posts
    5,080

    Dr. House meets Smokey The Bear

    This little exercise came as a result of more test-flying my system to see if it still works.

    The place: central Idaho, USA

    The scenario (I felt creative):
    At the end of the forest fire season the crews are ready to return home but a serious (possibly) communicable disease has been detected among one or more of the crews. Blood-test kits have been airdropped to the sites and it is your task to depart from the Fire Base at McCall, ID (KMYL), fly to each strip, land, collect the kits and return to KMYL so they can be tested and the source of infection identified. Obviously speed is of the essence but safety is paramount!

    Ten legs with an average of 21 (direct) miles each but some may require navigation through mountain passes or circuitous routing.

    As this is a test of aircraft selection, your piloting skills and the ability of your hardware to withstand the rigors of RTW flying in tough situations I've set the time limit to include two weekends. If all things work right, it's possible to complete the exercise in less than 90 minutes elapsed time (with no rest for the wicked).

    Details follow...

    Rob

    "To some the sky is the limit. To others it is home" anon.
    “Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.” -Albert Einstein


  2. #2
    Charter Member 2022 srgalahad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    CYYC or MMSD (GMT -7)
    Posts
    5,080
    Things you need to know:

    Real weather, RTW-allowed aircraft/helicopters/autogyros, Daylight Ops (time-shifting is allowed) --All strips are unlighted except KMYL. Time for each leg is the "Flight Time" reported on the Duenna.

    A crash is fatal - in the event of a crash the whole mission must be flown again with a different type of aircraft (Computer failure is exempt from this rule -post Duenna and attach explanation - but does not include crashes due to frame-rate issues). Abandonment is allowed (buy beer for the Fire Base staff) but the same type of a/c may not be used for any retries of the mission.

    Each pickup requires a full-stop landing and must be in the order listed -- Diversions are allowed due to Weather BUT the route sequence must be maintained AND the Duenna times must be combined in your report. (The same applies to landing at the wrong strip...).
    NO refuelling is allowed (you want to risk being infected by the disease???) so if you shut down the system between flights, check your fuel load at landing and start-up and adjust as necessary before starting the Duenna.

    The entire area is capped due to a Homeland Security exercise overhead (10,000 ASL and above) so be careful of Altimeter Settings and altitudes! (Winds and mountainous terrain can change altimeter settings significantly enroute) A Ten (10) Minute penalty is applied to any leg that exceeds the listed Max Enroute Altitude as shown on the Duenna. The caps have been tested but do NOT guarantee terrain clearance for a direct route.

    Destination Airport
    FROM -- TO -- Distance -- ELEV -- RWY - SURFACE -- Max Enroute Altitude

    KMYL -- 0U0 --28.5 ----- 6662 -- 16/34 - 4000x100 Grs -- 8500 ft ASL
    0U0 --- ID86 --21.5 ----- 5489 -- NE/SW 1800x50 Dt ---- 8500 ft ASL
    ID86 -- 02ID --21.0 ----- 5634 -- NE/SW 2000x100 Grs --- 8500 ft ASL
    02ID -- 13ID --21.7 ----- 6400 -- N/S -- 1600x100 Grs --- 9500 ft ASL ***
    13ID -- 0U1 -- 15.4 ----- 4831 -- 02/20 - 2850x135 Grs -- 9000 ft ASL ***
    0U1 -- U72 --- 34.5 ----- 4742 -- 04/22 - 2500x75 Grs --- 8500 ft ASL
    U72 -- ID67 -- 13.1 ----- 4200 -- 13/31 - 1100x75 Grs --- 8500 ft ASL
    ID67 -- ID41 -- 23.1 ----- 6539 -- 06/24 - 2450x175 Grav - 8500 ft ASL
    ID41 -- 24K -- 17.6 ----- 3982 --- 17/35 - 1500x150 Grs -- 8500 ft ASL
    24K -- KMYL -- 16.6 ---- 5021 --- 16/34 - 6107x75 Asp ---8500 ft ASL

    TOTAL 213.0nm

    NOTE: more than one strip is very short and/or narrow. All have obstacles in the vicinity and most require steep descents/climbs or tight approaches. BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!!!

    Test was flown using FS2004. In FSX if Autogen Scenery slider is set to higher than "Normal", excessively tall trees will likely render at least two airports unmanageable (if not impossible for most aircraft). Arrival & departure tests are highly recommended in any case!

    If all things work right, it's possible to complete the exercise in less than 90 minutes elapsed time (with no rest for the wicked).:cost1:

    Begin now…
    End before 2359 Zulu Friday Oct. 25th

    Rob

    "To some the sky is the limit. To others it is home" anon.
    “Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.” -Albert Einstein


  3. #3
    SOH-CM-2019 MM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Chapel Hill NC USA
    Age
    75
    Posts
    1,760
    An excellent challenge. (Some rather clever parts here!)

    Those who like interesting flying may want to set their autogen-tree-setting as high as is reasonable--to increase the beauty of the fall foliage that "adorns" each field's final approach. :d
    -Mike

  4. #4
    SOH Staff Tako_Kichi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    SW Ontario, Canada (Ex-pat Brit)
    Age
    66
    Posts
    5,120
    I just tried this for a bit of fun and what a white knuckle ride it was. I am glad I had crash detection off and no Duenna running for the first attempt as I would have pranged my kite on several legs.

    Mind you I was facing 25 knot gusts, mostly cross winds, snow squalls, cloud base below mountain top height...it was nasty! :isadizzy:

    I will certainly try it again when the weather around there clears up a bit.
    Larry


  5. #5
    Charter Member 2022 srgalahad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    CYYC or MMSD (GMT -7)
    Posts
    5,080

    Exclamation

    Since I can't edit a post that old...
    REVISED, EDITED AND CORRECTED
    Things you need to know:

    The entire area is capped due to a Homeland Security exercise overhead (10,000 ASL and above) so be careful of Altimeter Settings and altitudes! (Winds and mountainous terrain can change altimeter settings significantly enroute) A Ten (10) Minute penalty is applied to any leg that exceeds the listed Max Enroute Altitude as shown on the Duenna. The caps have been tested but do NOT guarantee terrain clearance for a direct route.

    Destination Airport
    FROM -- TO -- Distance -- ELEV -- RWY - SURFACE -- Max Enroute Altitude

    KMYL -- 0U0 --28.5 ----- 6662 -- 16/34 - 4000x100 Grs -- 8500 ft ASL
    0U0 --- ID86 --21.5 ----- 5489 -- NE/SW 1800x50 Dt ---- 8500 ft ASL
    ID86 -- 02ID --21.0 ----- 5634 -- NE/SW 2000x100 Grs --- 8500 ft ASL
    02ID -- 13ID --21.7 ----- 6400 -- N/S -- 1600x100 Grs --- 8500 ft ASL
    13ID -- 0U1 -- 15.4 ----- 4831 -- 02/20 - 2850x135 Grs -- 9500 ft ASL ***
    0U1 -- U72 --- 34.5 ----- 4742 -- 04/22 - 2500x75 Grs --- 9000 ft ASL ***
    U72 -- ID67 -- 13.1 ----- 4200 -- 13/31 - 1100x75 Grs --- 8500 ft ASL
    ID67 -- ID41 -- 23.1 ----- 6539 -- 06/24 - 2450x175 Grav - 8500 ft ASL
    ID41 -- 24K -- 17.6 ----- 3982 --- 17/35 - 1500x150 Grs -- 8500 ft ASL
    24K -- KMYL -- 16.6 ---- 5021 --- 16/34 - 6107x75 Asp ---8500 ft ASL

    TOTAL 213.0nm

    [/quote]

    Sorry for the confusion gang :redf:

    Rob

    "To some the sky is the limit. To others it is home" anon.
    “Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.” -Albert Einstein


  6. #6

    Vicious - Leg 4 reflight

    This is my leg 4 reflight at the correct altitude. I actually picked up a few seconds, so it doesn't appear that I had any real benefit from the higher altitude limit. I could probably make up some more time on legs 5 and 6 at the higher limits now set, but I don't think it will matter much. I know I left more than a few minutes on the course and there's faster runs yet to come. :d

    Vicious

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by srgalahad View Post
    ...snip...
    0U1 -- U72 --- 34.5 ----- 4742 -- 04/22 - 2500x75 Grs --- 9000 ft ASL ***
    ...snip
    Well that solves my problem.

    Expect a communique' from Dewey, Cheatum and Howe for "mental anguish" to the client. :d
    -John-

  8. #8
    Charter Member 2022 srgalahad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    CYYC or MMSD (GMT -7)
    Posts
    5,080
    Quote Originally Posted by jkcook28 View Post
    Well that solves my problem.

    Expect a communique' from Dewey, Cheatum and Howe for "mental anguish" to the client. :d
    What do you call a dozen lawyers at the bottom of the bay?

    Mouse-over here --->> A small but good start

    Rob

    "To some the sky is the limit. To others it is home" anon.
    “Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.” -Albert Einstein


  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by jkcook28 View Post
    Well that solves my problem.

    Expect a communique' from Dewey, Cheatum and Howe for "mental anguish" to the client. :d
    We have been working for two days to find a way over that range

    The best I could do with a Default FS9 Scenery was 8600 ft

    ASUS TUF F17 Gaming Laptop
    17.3" 144Hz Full HD IPS-Type
    CPU 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11800H @ 2.30GHz 2.30 GHz
    Ram CORSAIR Vengeance 32.0 GB DDR4 3200
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU 6GB

  10. #10

    I am in

    Giving it a go in the Real Air Scout with Tundra tires, but the weather does not look so good. Winds at KMYL 21 at 40 kts, blowing me backwards.

    Looks like a good test of Skyvector.com planning feature.

  11. #11
    That stinks it was nice and clear earlier there but I can't figure out what plane to use. This is not standard RTWR material. It is more like a Bush Pilot's Extreme Adventure. I had to go around twice on the second airport before I could get it down and still racked it up in the tress (P-38) just could not get it stopped.

    Looking threw the hanger now but may have to do some online shopping.

    ASUS TUF F17 Gaming Laptop
    17.3" 144Hz Full HD IPS-Type
    CPU 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11800H @ 2.30GHz 2.30 GHz
    Ram CORSAIR Vengeance 32.0 GB DDR4 3200
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU 6GB

  12. #12
    Senior Administrator PRB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    MO (KSUS)
    Age
    61
    Posts
    9,410
    Did some scouting of this course myself and bent up an otherwise perfectly good OV-10. I think the Idaho Air National Guard will get a lot of spare parts out of this one...
    MB: GIGABYTE GA-X299 UD4 PRO ATX
    CPU: Intel(R) Core™ Processor i9-10900X Ten-Core 3.7GHz
    MEM: 64GB (8GBx8) DDR4/3000MHz Quad Channel
    GPU: RTX 3080 Ti 12GB GDDR6
    OS: Win 10 Pro 64bit
    HP Reverb G2

  13. #13
    SOH Staff Tako_Kichi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    SW Ontario, Canada (Ex-pat Brit)
    Age
    66
    Posts
    5,120
    I used a Beaver with tundra tyres and even that was struggling to get into some of them.

    I finally developed a technique where I 'crabbed' in sideways at barely above stall speed and just above the ground and when I was over the runway I shut the throttle and dropped the last 10 feet or so! The roll out on some landings was about 20 feet! :costumes:

    Full rudder wasn't enough to keep the nose lined up in a few places too.

    A helicopter might be a vehicle of choice here although the altitude might give lift problems.

    I will try it again when the winds drop and the snow clears as it is certainly a bush flying challenge.
    Larry


  14. #14
    Senior Administrator PRB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    MO (KSUS)
    Age
    61
    Posts
    9,410
    I'm actually contemplating a helicopter for this, which is quite amazing since I'm such an expert at crashing helicopters! When I "sober up" I think I'll do some scouting with the Aerosoft DHC-6 Twin Otter. That ship has reverseable props and can land on very short strips...
    MB: GIGABYTE GA-X299 UD4 PRO ATX
    CPU: Intel(R) Core™ Processor i9-10900X Ten-Core 3.7GHz
    MEM: 64GB (8GBx8) DDR4/3000MHz Quad Channel
    GPU: RTX 3080 Ti 12GB GDDR6
    OS: Win 10 Pro 64bit
    HP Reverb G2

  15. #15
    SOH Staff Tako_Kichi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    SW Ontario, Canada (Ex-pat Brit)
    Age
    66
    Posts
    5,120
    I considered the 'Twotter' too after seeing the problems I was having with the Beaver. The reverse thrust would certainly help. Hmm...a Britten-Norman Islander might work too (if a little slow on top speed) but I don't have one in my latest rebuild of FSX which I am trying to keep to non port-over aircraft. It may be time to try FS9 again...lol.

    Another possibility could be an aircraft with speed brakes and STOL capability.
    Larry


  16. #16
    Charter Member 2022 srgalahad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    CYYC or MMSD (GMT -7)
    Posts
    5,080
    FB...

    I didn't check your flight time numbers but does that 1:58:11 include penalty times for the busted altitudes in legs 1, 4, 8, 9, & 10?
    "A Ten (10) Minute penalty is applied to any leg that exceeds the listed Max Enroute Altitude as shown on the Duenna."
    ** I just shoved the numbers into my spreadsheet and got 1:54:53 (flight time, not Duenna time) -- plus 0:50:00 would be 2:44:53
    As may be noted, deviance of <10 ft was ignored to compensate for instrument error

    Teaser for all:

    Test was done in FS9, a/c was RTW2008-approved, time was under 1:15:00

    Go ahead.. call me names!

    Rob

    "To some the sky is the limit. To others it is home" anon.
    “Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.” -Albert Einstein


  17. #17
    SOH-CM-2019 MM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Chapel Hill NC USA
    Age
    75
    Posts
    1,760
    Nice day for practicing mountain flying and STOL operations in Idaho.
    -Mike

  18. #18

    Vicious mountain run

    Here are my times through the mountain course.
    Vicious


    Baton Times:

    KMYL - 0U0 7:27
    0U0 - ID86 5:56
    ID86 - 02ID 5:51
    02ID - 13ID 6:18
    13ID - 0U1 4:48
    0U1 - U72 9:55
    U72 - ID67 4:28
    ID67 - ID41 7:02
    ID41 - 24K 5:26
    24K – KMYL 5:17

    Total: 1:02:28

  19. #19
    Charter Member 2022 srgalahad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    CYYC or MMSD (GMT -7)
    Posts
    5,080
    Quote Originally Posted by Vicious View Post
    Here are my times through the mountain course.
    Vicious


    Baton Times:

    KMYL - 0U0 7:27
    0U0 - ID86 5:56
    ID86 - 02ID 5:51
    02ID - 13ID 6:18 +10:00 for the 9195Ft. excursion tho
    13ID - 0U1 4:48
    0U1 - U72 9:55
    U72 - ID67 4:28
    ID67 - ID41 7:02
    ID41 - 24K 5:26
    24K – KMYL 5:17

    Total: 1:02:28
    So really 1:12:28, but....
    Without the penalty...
    You beat my time of 1:09:29 .. and the aircraft was..... Veneaviones Rockwell Turbo Commander 690 (winglet) in NOAA paint.

    Good Flying!! :ernae:

    Rob

    "To some the sky is the limit. To others it is home" anon.
    “Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.” -Albert Einstein


  20. #20
    I can't get to U72 under 8500' with my terrain mesh without going to hell and gone in an end run coming BACK from the following stop at ID67. Me and Dave are working a clandestine practice again tonight. Did I say that out loud?
    I'm working 2 planes that can challenge Vicious' speed but one is fuel challenged and the other is most unforgiving of sloppy pattern handling. And their both piston-powered...:d

    (we don't need no steenking turboprops :costumes

    -John-

  21. #21

    Busted altitude???

    I thought the 02ID-13ID leg had a 9500 limit? What did the "9500 ***" mean?

    Vicious

  22. #22
    SOH-CM-2019 MM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Chapel Hill NC USA
    Age
    75
    Posts
    1,760
    John, to reach U72 with FSGenesis FS9 mesh I found it necessary to drop the autogen trees which just allows one to scrape over a low point on one intervening ridge... :redf:

    (With full trees, I managed to get through at 8470ft--too close to replicate with any confidence. Landed with pine needles lodged in the gear.:isadizzy
    -Mike

  23. #23

    Vicious mountain run #2

    Legs 5 - 8

  24. #24

    Vicious mountain run #3

    Legs 9 and 10 plus pics.

    Vicious

  25. #25
    Ok flew it again using correct altitude caps:redf:
    Proud member of the RTW Team

Similar Threads

  1. Smokey Startup with FSNorthwest Bell 47
    By FSX68 in forum FSX General Discussion
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: June 22nd, 2013, 16:15
  2. Smokey,loud purr...nice
    By Daveroo in forum Ickie's NewsHawks
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: January 2nd, 2013, 14:55
  3. Airwolf meets FSX
    By kilo delta in forum FSX General Discussion
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: November 21st, 2011, 08:49
  4. Sim Meets Reality
    By spotlope in forum FSX General Discussion
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: February 27th, 2010, 05:31

Members who have read this thread: 2

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •