1U1_Moose Creek

***falcon409*** · January 21st, 2021, 10:08

Every time I say I'm done and gonna go flying for a while I come across another video or land at another airport and think. . .yea, just this one, lol

Moose_Creek-001 by Ed Wells, on Flickr

***Cees Donker*** · January 21st, 2021, 10:40

Originally Posted by falcon409

Every time I say I'm done and gonna go flying for a while I come across another video or land at another airport and think. . .yea, just this one, lol

Moose_Creek-001 by Ed Wells, on Flickr

Cees

**tgycgijoes** · January 21st, 2021, 15:26

What sim is your screenshot in and do you have ORBX loaded? The scenery is beautiful!

***falcon409*** · January 21st, 2021, 15:42

Originally Posted by tgycgijoes

What sim is your screenshot in and do you have ORBX loaded? The scenery is beautiful!

I only have FSX/Accel and everything is Orbx.

**tgycgijoes** · January 22nd, 2021, 04:43

Me too. I also own ORBX Global; Landclass and North America. I had trouble with elevations at airports when I had it installed and removed them from the sim. Then all the airports default and addon were normal again. Is there something I need to do when I get the runways in the valleys? I have Windows 7 64bit and 8GB Ram with a lesser video card. Since I only have a laptop to fly on any more there is no way to upgrade the video card. Maybe that is why yours looks better than mine with the better video card. I AM very pleased with the performance with full sliders in FSX with the new RAM I added.

***falcon409*** · January 22nd, 2021, 05:51

Originally Posted by tgycgijoes

Me too. I also own ORBX Global; Landclass and North America. I had trouble with elevations at airports when I had it installed and removed them from the sim. Then all the airports default and addon were normal again. Is there something I need to do when I get the runways in the valleys? I have Windows 7 64bit and 8GB Ram with a lesser video card. Since I only have a laptop to fly on any more there is no way to upgrade the video card. Maybe that is why yours looks better than mine with the better video card. I AM very pleased with the performance with full sliders in FSX with the new RAM I added.

The Global Vector product has the same effect on mine at times (elevation problems at some airports), however Global Vector also has a Configuration Tool that allows you fix many of those (Airport Elevation Corrections Tab). Certainly a better Graphics card could be part of the problem, also In-Sim settings could make a difference as well.

**kdl** · January 24th, 2021, 00:28

Removing ORBX Global and landclass North America is a too radical measure. The altitude problem mostly lies in the given airport backgrounds (ABP). These are the green flat - often rectangular - areas where the airport is located in.
The new created airfield is not compatible in altitude with the existing ABP.

The ABP data are in:
\ Prepare 3D\Orbx\FTX_VECTOR\FTX_VEXTOR_APT\scenery

For example:
- ABP_U60.bgl
- ABP_ID76.bgl
- Etc

See what happens if you deactivate one of them.
After deleting this file you have to create a new airport background for the newly ceated airport using ADE. That can solve a lot of these problems.

Dieter

***falcon409*** · January 24th, 2021, 03:42

Originally Posted by kdl

Removing ORBX Global and landclass North America is a too radical measure. The altitude problem mostly lies in the given airport backgrounds (ABP). These are the green flat - often rectangular - areas where the airport is located in.
The new created airfield is not compatible in altitude with the existing ABP.

The ABP data are in:
\ Prepare 3D\Orbx\FTX_VECTOR\FTX_VEXTOR_APT\scenery

For example:
- ABP_U60.bgl
- ABP_ID76.bgl
- Etc

See what happens if you deactivate one of them.
After deleting this file you have to create a new airport background for the newly created airport using ADE. That can solve a lot of these problems.

Dieter

You are partly correct. The cause of some of the elevation problem comes from Orbx (Global Vector). You can check the Airport Elevation Correction tab in the Configuration menu in Orbx Central. Another problem arises if someone is using the Free Airports package for North America as those also have their own flattens, buildings and misc objects that can interfere with my scenery. In that case those airports and their bgl's must be deleted (or at least moved to a misc folder for later use).

When I produce a scenery where a default airport exists I remove the existing airport backgrounds before I apply the satellite image. Of course that removes whatever flatten information was present with the AB, so I place a new "flatten poly" (not an airport background) to correct any chance of airplanes sinking into the ground when landing or taxiing. Your suggestion for folks to apply a new Airport Background (flatten) is incorrect and would only cause more problems as it would be essentially laying a "flatten over a flatten". Also, I don't believe I've told anyone that to correct an elevation problem they should remove "Global Basic and Global Vector" as my scenery work is built on those two products.

Elevations are a problem once you try to build an airport or landing strip in mountainous terrain where there was no default airport to begin with. Especially the ones I'm doing where you have a body of water close to the area you're working on. A single flatten for the airport (which sits above the river elevation) could cause the river area near the airport to rise as well even if it isn't part of the flatten, so I have to apply a flatten to the river to force it back down to a more normal level. There are probably programs (actually I know there are) that give you the ability to sculpt the terrain in the area you are working in, which would probably be the best way to build the airports in this region of the country, but I have tried those and they are not exactly user friendly, so I have stuck with flatten poly's to do what I can.

**kdl** · January 24th, 2021, 04:00

Thank you for your comments.
Due to my English knowledge I could not describe the process exactly. I basically create my small changes the way you describe them.
My comment on deleting VECTOR and openLC NA resulted from a misunderstanding.

Dieter

**downwind** · January 25th, 2021, 07:46

Here is a free zoomable satellite photo guide to back-country airstrips: https://www.airfield.guide/filter_airports.asp It is amazing how closely Ed's Idaho airports replicate the real thing. Also want to mention that Flight Replicas Super Cub is on sale at 1/2 price right now at Just Flight. Its perfect getting into and out of Ed's rural airstrips.