C-47 PBR Model

[gray eagle]

I've asked MJahn about incorporating Tufuns enhanced rivets using the C-47 model (the one with no Rebecca antenna) and he is no longer doing any more work on that project, which leaves me
to ask anyone out there if they would incorporate the enhanced rivets effect into the C-47 model that doesn't use that external antenna on the nose.

All of the PBR textures use the dak01 model (Rebecca antenna) and not all C-47 back in those days had/used that antenna. Radio Set AN/ APN-2 is an airborne radar interrogator / responder of the "Rebecca" type that will enable an aircraft to home on ground radar beacons of the "Eureka" type such as AN/PPN-1 and AN/PPN-2 and the heavier beacons, AN/ TPN-1 and AN/TPN-2. It was used in conjunction with suitable beacons for night landing of parachute troops, landing of gliders and maintaining airborne supply operation to isolated positions.

Not all C-47 were equipped like this. I have seen/rode in some R4D's that did not have this gear (not required) yet, the P3D PBR models sport the model that uses the external antenna.

So I am imploring anyone out there that maybe could help or shed some light on making a PBR model with rivets for a non Rebecca equipped C-47.

I've asked some painters here about this and seamingly ignored or have no response.

Thanks.

C-47 with "Rebecca" yagi antennas

[mgr]

Hiya,

Fear this can only be done by a new model by Manfred. Can not be done via a repaint.

Marcel

[seawing]

Hi!

I have the modified PBR-model with Tofun's rivets (courtesy of Manfred!), which I have wanted to upload for some time now ... and always forgot about it. However, this is the German Air Force Flight Calibration version with an additional TACAN antenna, two new ADF antennas, and the additional ILS antenna for the calibration equipment on the top - so I am not sure, if it helps you ...

BR,

Seawing





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[gray eagle]

Seawing, I sent you a PM.

Thanks

Hi!

I have the modified PBR-model with Tofun's rivets (courtesy of Manfred!), which I have wanted to upload for some time now ... and always forgot about it. However, this is the German Air Force Flight Calibration version with an additional TACAN antenna, two new ADF antennas, and the additional ILS antenna for the calibration equipment on the top - so I am not sure, if it helps you ...

BR,

Seawing





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[mgr]

Hi,

Hi!

I have the modified PBR-model with Tofun's rivets (courtesy of Manfred!), which I have wanted to upload for some time now ... and always forgot about it. However, this is the German Air Force Flight Calibration version with an additional TACAN antenna, two new ADF antennas, and the additional ILS antenna for the calibration equipment on the top - so I am not sure, if it helps you ...

BR,

Seawing

Please release it! :-)

Marcel

PS
Yes i know, getting it ready for the release is the most boring part...

Still have to release to "Princes" in 2020 livery in PBR.

[gray eagle]

Maybe with the model that seawing has your "princess" would look much better without those Rebecca antennas.

Hi,



Please release it! :-)

Marcel

PS
Yes i know, getting it ready for the release is the most boring part...

Still have to release to "Princes" in 2020 livery in PBR.

[Navy Chief]

Hi,



Please release it! :-)

Marcel

PS
Yes i know, getting it ready for the release is the most boring part...

Still have to release to "Princes" in 2020 livery in PBR.

That paint is awesome! Princess's name? NC

[Navy Chief]

Hi,



Please release it! :-)

Marcel

PS
Yes i know, getting it ready for the release is the most boring part...

Still have to release to "Princes" in 2020 livery in PBR.

That paint is awesome! Princess's name? NC


Princess Amelia?

[Navy Chief]

Hi,



Please release it! :-)

Marcel

PS
Yes i know, getting it ready for the release is the most boring part...

Still have to release to "Princes" in 2020 livery in PBR.

That paint is awesome! Princes Amalia! NC

[gray eagle]

That paint is awesome! Princes Amalia! NC

Hey Pete,

Think I saw that one over here

https://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads/files/24305/fsx-douglas-c-47-skytrain-dc-3-mega-pack/#

Waiting to hear from seawing and his German model. Think he may of retired for the day over there.

[gray eagle]

This one looks nice



get it here

https://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=202399

[gray eagle]

Hi,



Please release it! :-)

Marcel

PS
Yes i know, getting it ready for the release is the most boring part...

Still have to release to "Princes" in 2020 livery in PBR.

This beautiful aircraft has an interesting history

https://willem.com/blog/2019-10-19_f...classic-plane/

[Butcherbird17]

You can use TuFun's rivets and panel line layers on the older models. But you will lose some rivet detail around the rear fuselage. (top and bottom)
I have been working on updating my paints slowly. The thing is there are some detail layers missing from Tufun's pk that I have been adding back to it.
It will be a while before I can get back into photoshop as I have been busy with real world stuff. Here is my NARF paint that still needs a lot of work to finish.



Joe

[seawing]

Hi Gents,

I'll do my best to put it together and release here at SOH today or tomorrow.
I'll let you know when it's uploaded.

Cheers,

Seawing

[mgr]

Hey Pete,

Think I saw that one over here
https://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads/files/24305/fsx-douglas-c-47-skytrain-dc-3-mega-pack/#
Waiting to hear from seawing and his German model. Think he may of retired for the day over there.

These are different repaints, not mine. ;-)

My repaint, "non-PBR" of the PH-PBA can be found here (includes cockpit repaint):


DOWNLOAD: https://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fsxacrp&DLID=209530


Did also some WWII repaint of the PH-PBA:


DOWNLOAD: https://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=p3dacrp&DLID=211990



DOWNLOAD: https://library.avsim.net/esearch.ph...rp&DLID=212246

Marcel

[gray eagle]

That looks awesome Looking forward to that. Are you having to add the TF rivet to each paint or do you use a different model?

You can use TuFun's rivets and panel line layers on the older models. But you will lose some rivet detail around the rear fuselage. (top and bottom)
I have been working on updating my paints slowly. The thing is there are some detail layers missing from Tufun's pk that I have been adding back to it.
It will be a while before I can get back into photoshop as I have been busy with real world stuff. Here is my NARF paint that still needs a lot of work to finish.



Joe

[gray eagle]

Thanks Marcel - I like what you've done with this - The cockpit and exterior look awesome.

These are different repaints, not mine. ;-)

My repaint, "non-PBR" of the PH-PBA can be found here (includes cockpit repaint):


DOWNLOAD: https://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fsxacrp&DLID=209530


Did also some WWII repaint of the PH-PBA:


DOWNLOAD: https://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=p3dacrp&DLID=211990



DOWNLOAD: https://library.avsim.net/esearch.ph...rp&DLID=212246

Marcel

[Butcherbird17]

Butch,

Here are the difference's between the 2 paint kits. The first one is Gman's (for the FSX models) the last 2 are of Tufun's (PBR/P3D model).



On Tufun's you can see the addition of the Bottom rear fuselage (below the door) just in front of the nose.



And the top of the rear fuselage just to the right of the nacelles.



And this is on the FSX no antenna model and you can see the rivet detail above the door is missing using Tufun's rivet layers. The only way to fix
this is if Manfred recompiled the PBR model without the antenna's attached.



Joe

[gray eagle]

Butch,

Here are the difference's between the 2 paint kits. The first one is Gman's (for the FSX models) the last 2 are of Tufun's (PBR/P3D model).



On Tufun's you can see the addition of the Bottom rear fuselage (below the door) just in front of the nose.



And the top of the rear fuselage just to the right of the nacelles.



And this is on the FSX no antenna model and you can see the rivet detail above the door is missing using Tufun's rivet layers. The only way to fix
this is if Manfred recompiled the PBR model without the antenna's attached.



Joe

Thanks for the info. I guess is all depends on what model you wrap the detail rivet paint around. It would be nice if the model.C47_2 (No antennas) were inclusive of the PBR rivet
work. I had asked Manfred about this and he has pretty much thrown in the towel of the C-47 project sigh..... I asked Mr Madison about this and I've not received any response. Unless some sort of a miracle comes along, I guess I'm sol....
But I am interested in what you are doing there and would like a copy when finished please.

Thanks

[seawing]

Ok, 14+01 is uploaded and should be available from the library soon!



BR,

Seawing

[mgr]

Hiya,

Thanks for the info. I guess is all depends on what model you wrap the detail rivet paint around. It would be nice if the model.C47_2 (No antennas) were inclusive of the PBR rivet
work. I had asked Manfred about this and he has pretty much thrown in the towel of the C-47 project sigh..... I asked Mr Madison about this and I've not received any response. Unless some sort of a miracle comes along, I guess I'm sol....
But I am interested in what you are doing there and would like a copy when finished please.

Got the same answer from Manfred. Understandable if you know the process it takes to create a new model version, lot of different steps, with every step a possibility something goes wrong and you have to start all over.

Note 9 months ago Manfred DID make a special version of the model.C47_2, WITH the new texture mapping (for the new detailed rivits) YET WITHOUT the PBR mapping (was still a hardcore FSX user then).
Can ask Manfred or i can redistribute for further repaints if need. So this get's you the detailed rivet's yet NO PBR.

Marcel

[gray eagle]

Hiya,



Got the same answer from Manfred. Understandable if you know the process it takes to create a new model version, lot of different steps, with every step a possibility something goes wrong and you have to start all over.

Note 9 months ago Manfred DID make a special version of the model.C47_2, WITH the new texture mapping (for the new detailed rivits) YET WITHOUT the PBR mapping (was still a hardcore FSX user then).
Can ask Manfred or i can redistribute for further repaints if need. So this get's you the detailed rivet's yet NO PBR.

Marcel

Manfred told me you had same interest. I can now understand that the process(s) would take a lot of time and effort to do.
I did not know about the special version you mentioned. I'm all in with you asking Manfred or your redistribution efforts.
If your can do this, that would be great!

Thanks

[gray eagle]

Marcel,

I sent you a PM about this. To quote Manfred:

"I vaguely remember that but have lost track. Actually, he might have included that model in a repaint package"

Hiya,



Got the same answer from Manfred. Understandable if you know the process it takes to create a new model version, lot of different steps, with every step a possibility something goes wrong and you have to start all over.

Note 9 months ago Manfred DID make a special version of the model.C47_2, WITH the new texture mapping (for the new detailed rivits) YET WITHOUT the PBR mapping (was still a hardcore FSX user then).
Can ask Manfred or i can redistribute for further repaints if need. So this get's you the detailed rivet's yet NO PBR.

Marcel

[mjahn]

Marcel,

I sent you a PM about this. To quote Manfred:

"I vaguely remember that but have lost track. Actually, he might have included that model in a repaint package"

With all due respect, gray eagle, if I want to reply to any of this in this or any other thread I'll do it myself. What I do not want is having my PM's - that's Private Messages - quoted publicly.

--Manfred

[jeansy]

Matt Wynn is working on a set of UHD textures https://www.facebook.com/tigermousedesigns/?tn-str=k*F