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  1. #51
    I uploaded a few more paints for P3Dv5, this time of the 461st BG, some were available on the Flight Replicas site, but the two green ones were not I think:
    #6 Mister Period
    jk6333

    #15 Miss Lace:
    jk6101

    #26 Arsenic and Lace
    jk6353

    #51 Pisces
    2020-4-27_8-37-16-516
    You can find most of my repaints for FSX/P3D in the library here on the outhouse.
    For MFS paints go to flightsim.to

  2. #52

    461st Pisces #51

    Have you done this for FSX also?

  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by tgycgijoes View Post
    Have you done this for FSX also?
    Jankees please do your B-24's for FSX! There must be a larger following for FSX than for P3D.

  4. #54

    Any chance of B24 repaints for FSX. Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by jamminjames View Post
    Jankees please do your B-24's for FSX! There must be a larger following for FSX than for P3D.
    Hi JKB. Re the above. I am stuck with FSX Acceleration for the foreseeable future, and I realise it is a different platform, but any chance of your B24 reprints for FSX.

    Very Best Regards.

  5. #55
    There's no reason not to use any of the released repaints for either FSX or P3D - they are the same files. Any repaints made for the P3D version are perfectly useable with the FSX version, and vice-versa. All of the repaints I've released so-far (more to come) are for use in FSX just as much as they are for P3D. The only difference would be changes to affect the look of the reflection/shine in P3D vs. FSX (but it's really not a big deal), and in my experience things are similar-enough to not garner making unique versions for each sim.

    Here's an example of the exact same repaint in both FSX and P3Dv5:

    (FSX)


    (P3Dv5)

  6. #56
    I originally did all my paints for FSX/P3Dv4.5, but when I installed P3Dv5 I discovered two things:
    - my harddisk was too small for v4.5 and v5, so I went for v5
    - my paints looked slightly different,shinier, with small adaptations to the alpha channel being necessary.
    Since I now run only P3Dv5, I can't check what my paints look like in FSX/v4.5.
    However, the layout is exactly the same, so there's no reason not to use them in FSX/v4.5, they may just be a bit duller, as John has shown.
    All paints on Mike's Site (Flight Replicas) are the FSX/v4.5 versions, the ones I'm uploading now are the P3Dv5 versions, which you can use in FSX/v4.5, which is why is was showing them here, but since I made them for v5, I listed them under P3D in the library.
    John has shown the different looks of a bare metal paint, perhaps someone can also show pics of the difference with camouflaged paints?
    You can find most of my repaints for FSX/P3D in the library here on the outhouse.
    For MFS paints go to flightsim.to

  7. #57
    The way in which any aircraft/repaint looks in P3Dv5 can vary greatly, since there is a range provided of lighting/atmospheric options in P3D. If you have HDR lighting and advanced atmospherics turned off in P3Dv5, it still looks very much like FSX. However, with HDR lighting and enhanced atmospherics on in P3Dv5, it looks like a completely different sim. There is just a different level of contrast/colors, all dependent on individual settings, and a different level of power given to the diffuse alpha channels in P3D vs. FS.

    Using the same files in both P3Dv5 and FSX, I like the appearance either way.

    Here are the Collings Foundation's B-24J & Me-262 in FSX DX10 (unedited, with no shader addons):





    This is same exact repaint in P3Dv5 (unedited, and with no shader addons, using P3Dv5's built-in HDR lighting and enhanced atmospherics).




  8. #58

    FSX/P3Dxx

    Thanks all for that information. Then all MY 461st repaints available at the Flight Replicas site will work in P3Dv5 too and will look even better than on my computer. BTW JanKees created Mr. Period for the 461st BG 764th BS generously at my request to complete our 10 original 764th Bomb Squad aircraft that started at Torretta AAF in Italy.

  9. #59
    Speaking of Torretta Airfield, one of my Facebook friends and a former Collings pilot, Jim Harley, has been sharing photos from a trip he and other members of the Collings Foundation took to Italy in 2007, where they were able to locate a few of the 15th Air Force B-24 bases from WWII, including Torretta AAF (461st Bomb Group), San Giovanni AAF (454th and 455th Bomb Groups) and Pantanella AAF (464th and 465th Bomb Groups). The first paint scheme worn by the Collings Foundation B-24, through the 90's, was that of "All American", loosely based on an original 461st BG B-24 by the same name, done to honor of one of Bob Collings' friends who was an original crew member.

    These are Jim's photos from Torretta AAF:

    https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...28&oe=5ED2BCEC
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    https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...76&oe=5ED0BF9E
    https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...c5&oe=5ED06478
    https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...c7&oe=5ECEFFBF
    https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...7a&oe=5ECFA264
    https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...d4&oe=5ECF56D2
    https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...6a&oe=5ECFA5AA
    https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...76&oe=5ED072CA
    https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...de&oe=5ECFD5CB
    https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...30&oe=5ED0BE6F
    https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...53&oe=5ED1E737
    https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...b8&oe=5ED1AB77
    https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...7b&oe=5ECF3952

  10. #60
    is there room in your hangars for two more Zodiac paints?
    2020-5-2_13-19-2-739

    2020-5-2_13-16-38-799
    You can find most of my repaints for FSX/P3D in the library here on the outhouse.
    For MFS paints go to flightsim.to

  11. #61
    and this one?
    2020-5-3_11-32-17-395
    You can find most of my repaints for FSX/P3D in the library here on the outhouse.
    For MFS paints go to flightsim.to

  12. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Bomber_12th View Post
    The way in which any aircraft/repaint looks in P3Dv5 can vary greatly, since there is a range provided of lighting/atmospheric options in P3D. If you have HDR lighting and advanced atmospherics turned off in P3Dv5, it still looks very much like FSX. However, with HDR lighting and enhanced atmospherics on in P3Dv5, it looks like a completely different sim. There is just a different level of contrast/colors, all dependent on individual settings, and a different level of power given to the diffuse alpha channels in P3D vs. FS.

    Using the same files in both P3Dv5 and FSX, I like the appearance either way.

    Here are the Collings Foundation's B-24J & Me-262 in FSX DX10 (unedited, with no shader addons):





    This is same exact repaint in P3Dv5 (unedited, and with no shader addons, using P3Dv5's built-in HDR lighting and enhanced atmospherics).


    Hi John,

    Do you mind uploading your ME-262? I've been creating/collecting Collings Foundation paints. I'm working on someday working with them and helping them maintain a set of flight sim installs at their museum in Stow, one of the features of which will be to fly their planes.

    Thanks,

  13. #63
    That is the Flight Replicas two-seat Me-262, with a repaint by JensOle available here: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...0&linkid=10023

    Attached is a copy of the "Fuselage 3.dds" file, for that repaint, which I've modified so that the canopy textures are fully present. Speaking of Collings, I've heard that their second B-17G (ex-Evergreen) is supposed to be getting painted as "Outhouse Mouse".
    Attached Files Attached Files

  14. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Bomber_12th View Post
    That is the Flight Replicas two-seat Me-262, with a repaint by JensOle available here: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...0&linkid=10023

    Attached is a copy of the "Fuselage 3.dds" file, for that repaint, which I've modified so that the canopy textures are fully present. Speaking of Collings, I've heard that their second B-17G (ex-Evergreen) is supposed to be getting painted as "Outhouse Mouse".
    Awesome.. Thanks!

    That's great!. I hope they get to continue flying. I've only been out there once since my Dad passed in January, and then this Covid thing hit and the museum hasn't been opened, and I've been occupied with other stuff. But I need to get out there again in the next couple weeks, I imagine they'll be opening again in June or July I hope.

    I was talking to Rob the day before the crash, and I asked if they'd had any further engine issues. They had to rush an engine out to California from the east coast in I think it was early March last year for the B-25, but didn't have any other major maintenance headaches after that. It had been a super record season for them last year. So sad.

  15. #65

    We Are Looking For A Few Good Pilots

    I'm wondering, where all the pilots are? The repainters are ALL here and doing fantastic work. Mike Cyul has already done his part by giving us this absolutely tremendous replica of the B-24 Liberator. Now its time for you to join us: the LIBERAIDERS, the 461st Bomb Group (virtual) and fly 'er like she was designed to be flown: in formation with other B-24's recreating history. The designer has done his part...the repainters have done their part, we've done OUR part recreating the scenery and the missions. NOW its YOUR turn. https://tgycgijoes5.wixsite.com/liberaiders What are you waiting for?
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  16. #66
    Here's another one I'm working On.

    Greenhouse357

  17. #67

  18. #68
    ...or Bob lol. Thanks, tgycgijoes! Not sure about the red rudders on the inside. Hard to tell with old b/w pictures, but it looks exactly the same as the outside. I like them like they are but will change them if someone knows if they weren't that way.
    Greenhouse357

  19. #69
    Just a quick question, In all of the photos there isn't any concerning the B-24D and so why? Sure would like a texture for the B-24D of the Hail Columbia, flown by John Kane. thank you

  20. #70
    Taco, in my case I haven't bought it yet.
    Greenhouse357

  21. #71

    Red inside rudders

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenhouse357 View Post
    ...or Bob lol. Thanks, tgycgijoes! Not sure about the red rudders on the inside. Hard to tell with old b/w pictures, but it looks exactly the same as the outside. I like them like they are but will change them if someone knows if they weren't that way.
    There are not many photos of complete aircraft in the air that are not old and far away. Crews mostly took photos with their noseart. The majority that I can CLEARLY see do NOT have red inside rudders. Only the outside of the rudders is painted. That goes also for the other BG's in the 15th AF. The one thing I DID notice in my repainting is that although AAF sent down marking directives, they were interpreted by the Crew Chiefs as to what they meant. Especially for the markings on the tails of the 461st BG. I have a Camouflage Publication quoting the different directives which btw were all text, not illustrated as they are now in the military services for aircraft and vehicles. There are a lot of variations of the tail rectangle markings. If you don't have a clear, definitive photo you are safe to NOT paint the inside of the rudder red. In almost all cases it was not painted. That went for other bomb groups too. I also originally painted the complete horizontal stab on my aircraft all red when in fact it was not until sometime in 1945 so I corrected all my original 10 repaints for the 764th BS. The natural metal ones I DID paint the stab all red as is directed by AAF.

    The only photo I find of #24 Tulsa american has no marking at all on the tail just the serial:

    Here is a nice, clear photo of another aircraft #36: almost all others show no inside paint either. I don't want to be too critical but the layer of your rudder should be the same so that the reds are the same. You can change them since you need to delete the red layers on the inside. Jan Kees has corrected me a lot too and I learned from every correction.

    The only photo of #24 Replacement Aircraft above shows no tail markings but this is probably just after it was ferried across. I apologize that I did not notice your all red rudders above but it was late and I was tired; but those are not correct at all. You can see the accurate way to paint the vertical stab and rudders outside only above. What did you use as your reference for how you painted it?

    Here are two incorrect profiles from two different sources that are going to mislead a lot of modelers or repainters. That is a BAD thing. Howard Chappelle a past curator of the Smithsonian Institute said that if you can't do it right don't do it to paraphrase him on numerous occassions.

    from Wings Pallette collection. I wonder if some photo they saw in b/w looked like white not red. Jan Kees corrected me on this in a different post for the "Checkertail Clan" of the nose of a P-51 that really looks white but that is a film error from 1944.

    Here, the squares/numbers are reversed. Tail is correct for some aircraft but no definitive photo of Tulsa American with this tail. You can see above that the serial is NOT reversed out on #36 however it is on others.

    There are examples of black numbers on natural metal; white squares/black numbers as on #26 Irish Angel/She Wolf that Mike cyul repainted and is above and then white numbers in black squares on a number of different aircraft in different squadrons.

    Check this out for all kinds of examples: https://461st.org/765th%20Sqdn/765th_Sqdn.html
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    Last edited by tgycgijoes; May 6th, 2020 at 08:29. Reason: new photo

  22. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Taco View Post
    Just a quick question, In all of the photos there isn't any concerning the B-24D and so why? Sure would like a texture for the B-24D of the Hail Columbia, flown by John Kane. thank you
    Jeansy did a few D's and I did as well, here's a few pics:
    jk5955

    jk5954

    jk6001

    jk6147

    jk6326

    as for Hail Columbia, if you can supply me with good pics of the noseart, I could give it a try?
    You can find most of my repaints for FSX/P3D in the library here on the outhouse.
    For MFS paints go to flightsim.to

  23. #73
    Thank you tgycgijoes for all the great info! I had already started working on the rudders to remove the inner red because I hadn't seen that on any other aircraft. Here are the reference pics I was going off of.



    Greenhouse357

  24. #74

    Interesting

    In looking at the actual photo and the illustration, I would think that Tulsa American actually had a really unique rudder and that as i mentioned in the reply above, the old b/w film didn't pick up the red all the time. I can see that whoever did that illustration interpreted it correctly. Remove the inner red and leave the full rudder red as shown. Quite a unique repaint. Nice job on the noseart too. Her crew took a liberty to do the tail as they did. And now I wonder...there are no other 461st BG aircraft with inner rudders painted BUT...neither are there any other aircraft painted with a full red rudder either. You have a real photo, so you make the call.

    Richard

  25. #75
    Hopefully this isn't too nitpicky, but looking at the photo of Tulsa American, I can see that the red stripes on the US flag on the nose art have become the same shade as the tail (red filter on camera?) but the heavy curved stripe under the "The Tulsa American" is dark. Wouldn't that make it not red? Perhaps blue? I also note that the flag of Tulsa, Oklahoma at that time had blue and white stripes.

    Just curious!

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