Vive la France! Amiot 143M bomber is available!

[Shessi]

Hi Folks,
Been working on lots of projects, it's winter you know!, and this one is nearly there, just being tested, and few bits to do.

It's based on an IL-2 model, which was based on Paul Clawson's Amiot, further detailed, a new VC, animations and versions etc.

Cheers

Shessi

[Naismith]

So ugly - who can resist, I love ugly. Looking forward to this.

[huub vink]

Its an ugly plane, but a beautiful model. As we now know how it all ended, we can hardly understand that people once believed in aircraft like this.......

Cheers,
Huub

[mav]

Its an ugly plane, but a beautiful model. As we now know how it all ended, we can hardly understand that people once believed in aircraft like this.......

Cheers,
Huub

Huub.... would that be the same ppl that thought the world was flat once.... by any chance????

Cheers mav

[huub vink]

Huub.... would that be the same ppl that thought the world was flat once.... by any chance????

Cheers mav

I don't think so Mav. People who believed in these early interwar bulky aircraft were definitely optimists. People who believed in a flat earth, though you would drop straight into hell, when you came too close to the edge. So they were definitely the pessimists.

Cheers,
Huub

[gastonj]

Hi Huub,

I am interested in all old magazines talking about French models of the 30s and 40s. The MS225 is finished at 75%, for this plane my main problem is to solve the painting difficulties, particularly the aluminum area of ​​the engine cover. I hesitate to get started. The Loire 210 is a candidate for FSX/P3D with 3D gauges and maybe even for FS9 with French xml gauges that I have in stock. I am looking for a photo of the cockpit or a diagram.

For the MS406 I would also really like to do it and see what results I could get.

JMC

[magoo]

Huub.... would that be the same ppl that thought the world was flat once.... by any chance????

Welllll....you know;

We live in a time where a modern military aircraft like the F-18 can claim to have been flown by the grandfather, the father, and currently....his son. While the software is rocketing ahead, it's the hardware that's changing soooooo slowly. ( Not so good for the venerable B.737.....)

I had a friend who was born in (what was then) Dutch East Indies during the Nineteen Thirties. He recounts his father (A chemical engineer for Shell Oil Ltd.) taking him down to see the new Martin B.10 bombers that had just arrived, a real plane of the future in his eyes.

A little while later the Japanese invaded Indonesia, and those futuristic bombers became instantly obsolete.

.....Visible, hardware technology was changing at a rate that is hard to imagine today.

Think...1935....biplanes beginning to phase out.....1945.....jets arriving with a thunderous roar.

[huub vink]

Magoo,

You are absolutely correct. The Heinkel He51 arrived only in 1933 while the first Bf109s already arrived in 1937. In 1937, l'Armee de l'Air received the first Dewoitine D.500 D.501 series (all metal, monoplane!), which were already replaced by the much more powerful D.510 during the same year! The first Gladiators were delivered to the RAF in February 1937 (!), while in December 1937 the first Hurricanes were already delivered.

I think more powerful reliable engines were the biggest push forward. It gave designers the possibility to build heavier all metal aircraft, with less wings and with fancy stuff like retractable under carriage.

And I'm convinced that the general audience looked at them like we are currently looking to the F-35! (Too noisy and far too expensive )

Cheers,
Huub

[Rami]

Mark,

I'm using an older but serviceable version for the Battle of France that UncleTgt cleaned up for me. It looks like after the campaign package's release, I'll be making an upgrade!

[zswobbie1]

The French have made the most ugly planes, so much so, that they become quite cute, in a French kind of way!

[Mick]

It looks like a flying ... something or other, anyway not an airplane within the usual meaning of the term.

Anyway, I love it!

But I can see why la France didn't exactly Vive with an air force full of these!

[ian elliot]

It looks more like a flying Pullman railway carriage, im imagining a cocktail bar, a guy in a bow tie serving drinks and a piano in the corner, anything but a warplane. Looking forward to flying it though

[huub vink]

Aircraft like this, the Farman F.222.2 and the Bloch MB.200 were all product from the modernisation projects from the late 20-ties and early 30-ties. They were already obsolete when the war began. But France had nice looking aircraft as well I think the LeO.451 was nice looking aircraft and quite modern at the start of the war. The Dewoitine D.520 is also a quite neat looking aircraft. But as France couldn't produce enough aircraft for a second modernisation run, they went abroad for aircraft like the Boston, Maryland, Curtiss H75 Hawk,....... they even bought the Koolhoven FK.58!

Cheers,
Huub

[Moses03]

The French have made the most ugly planes, so much so, that they become quite cute, in a French kind of way!

My thoughts as well.

[gastonj]

My thoughts as well.

Hi,
If I believe the US models of the 30s, I am not sure that your comments are devoid of misplaced chauvinism.
For me, the B26 peashooter is the symbol of ugliness. You only have to compare it to the contemporary French Dewoitine D500.
The Amiot 143 is in the aesthetic standard of the 30s, not as ugly as its British or US contemporaries. You lack references.
I could quote some contemporaries to the Amiot 143 if you want!

JMC

[michaelvader]

Oula Gaston, du calme,
faut admettre que il ne manque que l inscription "campagnie des Wagon Lits"
ou "Wagon Bar SNCF".
These comments should not be to make you upset.
We all know that in every country there have been planes with a look to be discutable.
When I look on my german side aie aie il y en a pas mal aussi.
On the other side we all now about some french planes which where realy fine and real beauties.
And those who are interested in history know that in france after the declaration of war the unions did declare strike
which blocked completely the french war production in a crucial moment. That having as effect that new and modern planes did not came to the fighting units.
Alors, il n y avait rien de chauvin dans ces commentaires chers Gaston
Prenez un bon whisky (il y en a du tres bon breton) and keep on laughing
We all honore the french pilots who did fight very courageous
Yours
Papi

[Moses03]

JMC-

I posted that with a smile.

Ask any of my FS friends, they will all tell you how much I like the French designs of the 1930's. The Couzinets are some of my favorites!

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...l=1#post888019

Just recently I was wishing for one of these French beauties:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...=1#post1203505

And here I am piloting a Farman F223.4 on a 9.5 hour flight for an event hosted over at Flightsim a couple of years ago:

https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showt...r-Holkham-2015



Best,
Kevin


Shessi- Sorry for the diversion. Looking forward to the Amiot.

Hi,
If I believe the US models of the 30s, I am not sure that your comments are devoid of misplaced chauvinism.
For me, the B26 peashooter is the symbol of ugliness. You only have to compare it to the contemporary French Dewoitine D500.
The Amiot 143 is in the aesthetic standard of the 30s, not as ugly as its British or US contemporaries. You lack references.
I could quote some contemporaries to the Amiot 143 if you want!

JMC