North American Sabreliner

**Aircanuck** · October 10th, 2019, 15:32

Anybody heard from AH on the build status of their Sabreliner ..... been awhile !

If I'm not mistaken this was another non - FSX production ?

Regards

**MustangL2W** · October 10th, 2019, 21:40

Please be FSX, Please be FSX, Please be FSX

**Aircanuck** · October 11th, 2019, 07:04

Originally Posted by MustangL2W

Please be FSX, Please be FSX, Please be FSX

I'm curious how much work is involved to convert an existing project from "Prepar3D" over to "FSX".

I could be mistaken but it didn't seem to take Dino very long at all to complete his Skyhawk conversion.

Regards

***falcon409*** · October 11th, 2019, 10:19

Originally Posted by Aircanuck

I'm curious how much work is involved to convert an existing project from "Prepar3D" over to "FSX".

I could be mistaken but it didn't seem to take Dino very long at all to complete his Skyhawk conversion.

Regards

Good question, one that I don't think anyone has ever actually answered. My guess is that it's mostly a case of removing functions, coding and texturing conventions that are not compatible with FSX. That makes the process sound relatively simple but I'm sure it's not and the more complex the systems are, the more P3D'ish functions/animations have been incorporate. . .plus the texturing convention I mentioned (PBR is being used more and more and not compatible with FSX) and the simple becomes very time consuming and tedious. So it's not a matter of running it through MCX and changing a few things. . .at least from someone on the outside taking a guess that's how I imagine it.

**jeansy** · October 11th, 2019, 13:32

It will be a coding issue that may halt the downgrade to 32bit as 64bit has so much more to offer in options than 32bit

Pbr textures wont effect or prevent model from loading in fsx, you may need to rename files and you will only get flat non gloss textures opposed to shat is seen in 64bit, but you can always create an alpha channel yourself. This is proven in recent carenado releases with people using pbr based textures in 32bit

Depending on how much advanced coding they put in it will be the determining factor

**vonstroheim** · December 17th, 2023, 14:56

Originally Posted by MustangL2W

Please be FSX, Please be FSX, Please be FSX

Yes please!

**vonstroheim** · December 20th, 2023, 16:25

I like bizjets... that's why I'd love to see the (now freeware) Aeroplane Heaven Sabreliner in FSX one day...

In the meantime, here's (again) Jim Goldman's Lockheed Jetstar II:

Carenado's Falcon 50:

**vonstroheim** · December 20th, 2023, 16:30

Carenado's D18S:

Arild Elverum and Thomas Roehl's Falcon 20 with alternate VC:

**vonstroheim** · December 20th, 2023, 16:34

Some more AH Sabreliner...

***fsafranek*** · October 11th, 2019, 17:55

Originally Posted by Aircanuck

Anybody heard from AH on the build status of their Sabreliner ..... been awhile !

If I'm not mistaken this was another non - FSX production ?

Regards

From their facebook page yesterday:

Q "sabreliner is still in development?"
A "oh yes, most certainly is still in development.Just waiting ts turn, like everything else."

In response to one of the questions in their January 2019 announcement they did say both FSX and P3D.

**Aircanuck** · October 12th, 2019, 15:25

Looks like were still on track ....

Cheers

**bazzar** · October 18th, 2019, 22:53

The Sabreliner will be completed and released for P3DV4.5+ first. If results are good and there is enough data to suggest it, we will then produce an FSX version. With the new sim around the corner, the work involved in producing for FSX from here on in is a distinct gamble. It is not a simple "conversion", it requires a separate model with non-PBR materials and textures etc. Also the definition in the 3D model has to be lower. I'm sorry if this will disappoint but we have to be practical now that the new sim is on the horizon.

***fsafranek*** · October 19th, 2019, 08:24

Originally Posted by bazzar

The Sabreliner will be completed and released for P3DV4.5+ first. If results are good and there is enough data to suggest it, we will then produce an FSX version. With the new sim around the corner, the work involved in producing for FSX from here on in is a distinct gamble. It is not a simple "conversion", it requires a separate model with non-PBR materials and textures etc. Also the definition in the 3D model has to be lower. I'm sorry if this will disappoint but we have to be practical now that the new sim is on the horizon.

All very true. Thanks for even considering the backward compatibility. With a new sim on the horizon building backwards is a gamble.

**tgycgijoes** · October 21st, 2019, 19:29

It is understandable that AH is a business not a freeware developer so they have to look at the big picture and the bottom line despite how disappointed us "ol' fogeys" with FSX are LOL! Keep up the good work and upgrade the FSX stuff when you can for us who supported you for so long in the past; loved the B17 and other aircraft-- thank you for all the work there.

***Mike71*** · December 23rd, 2023, 07:09

Finally done as best I can do. The first pictures the real thing at a different time and different MODEX/ BuNo.
I had to use artistic license regarding the top and bottom wings because there are no good photos of these CT-39E / VTC-39E's.

They belonged to various Fleet Logistics Support Squadrons, deployed forward normally as detachments, such as Cubi Point or Sigonella. They often served as "Flag Barges" for fleet commanders / staff, etc.

This in general is a great model, the VC in particular and it flies well. Two shortfalls are the lack of a paint kit, and I believe the bottoms of the fuselage windows should be aligned with the bottom of the cockpit side windows - in other words they are a little too low. These are built into the model so I can't change them. In addition, white engine cowlings seem to show some annoying shadows at certain angles which don't seem to bad with other colors. I guess this has to do with the model mapping - I am no PBR expert, for sure.

The turn key T-39Ns were generally the same, painted TRACOM orange and white. However a couple had modified noses to incorporate A-7E or F-14 radars for specific NFO training. One was lost in an ACM training engagement against a T-39G (5-window Sabre 60). The air to air collision killed all aboard both airplanes.

The USAF apparently never moved past the T-39B model. I have a particular fondness for the USAF T-39. While in basic jet training at NAS Meridian I found out that there were occassional T-39 flights from Maxwell AFB in Alabama to Andrews AFB outside Washington, DC. Just before Christmas of 1965 I drove some 130 miles to Maxwell hoping to catch a flight to DC, where I intended to ask my future wife to marry me.

Luckily a very kind one-star let me hitch a ride and told me "good luck". It all worked out, but I had to pay my way back to Meridian via Eastern to Atlanta and Southern (in a 404) to Meridian. The cost of the ring and air fare left me pretty broke, but it was worth it.