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    Icon22 Question about Thicko's b5n2_type97 pack.

    Does anyone know what the default skin in Thicko's b5n2_type97 pack represents- what carrier, Kokutai, year, location?

    The pack includes 4 extra skins all of which include a readme that gives this information but there is nothing in the aircraft.cfg file or the readme for the package that identifies the default skin.

    And it doesn't match one of the extra skins.

    This is what it looks like:

    In Thicko's b5n1_type97 pack one of the 4 extra skins is the same as the default skin, so its identity not an issue.

    Its no biggie. Just a stone I want to shake out of my shoe.

    Thanks for any help!
    MR
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    Good question, MR.

    The plane was on Akagi

    Akagi Kanjo Kogekikitai
    (Akagi Carrier Level-Bomber Unit)

    AI-301
    Sou-Shikikan/Sou-Taicho Cdr Mitsuo Fuchida
    Lt. Mitsuo Matsuzaki (pilot)
    Norinobu Mizuki (observer)
    Overall Leader 1st Wave PH Attack, 800kg AP bomb

    Most of the AKAGI KATEs are shown in complete green upper, while by the end of 1940, they all still wore the bright factory paint.
    And I still can`t believe, that especially the Commanders aircraft was painted in a rush or with purpose of a washy camouflage idea, while all others were painted completey green?

    A few more of my stored notes regarding the unusual paint:

    In the mid-1970s, Don Bratt interviewed Fuchida for more details to discover that AI-301 was kept 'gleaming'
    during training to let his men know of his location in the air, yet en route to Hawaii AI-301 was camouflaged for the coming attack.
    The commanding info on the vertical surfaces was retained to keep his aviators informed of his presence.
    The plane was painted, IF WE BELIEVE FUCHIDA: 'en route to Hawaii' with SEMI-GLOSS green upper surface camouflage.
    The TRAINING numbers on the wing's undersurface conform to PRE-war use were black and the undersurface is painted with the same GLOSS Gray-GREEN viewed on Akagi VALs.....and the painting of the plane was accomplished NOT 'enroute', but where the landing base paint shops sprayed the plane...with gray-GREEN, then the dark green upper surface.
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    Thanks Jaxon! Fascinating stuff.

    One of the extra skins included in the pack is named the Fuchida skin and is called out in the readme as the livery Lt Cdr Fuchida, IJNS Akagi during the Pearl Harbor attack.

    It looks like this:


    From the tail markings I kinda suspected that the cammo skin above were Akagi and unit commander markings for Fuchida. But I couldn't place the when of it because when looking it up on line all I was able to come up with for the pearl harbor attack were the solid green liveries. I think I will just identify this one as a Fuchida No2. Sound like a plan?

    Thanks again for the info. That is so cool that Fuchida was still around and gracious enough to being interviewed by Don Bratt.

    Cheer,
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    Yes, two interpretations of the same A/C.

    I personally think, a good skin should reflect the green as field modification.
    If they had just one can of green for the entire Kates, or enough paint (and time) to paint them all more thoroughly is beyond me.

    But I have seen a number of profiles and models, that were painted either complete green or more in a a dazzle scheme, or at least with the original colour coming through especially at the corners, like this one.


    In 1942 the VALs were also toned down in green.
    And I think this skin is a good interpretation of how that would have looked like - and also a perfect example of my idea of AKAGIs PH KATEs:
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Nakajima B5N2 KATE (CFS2)_400x175.jpg   Aichi D3A1 VAL (Akemi Mizoguchi)_S.jpg  
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    Thanks, Jaxon.

    Love the Val.

    Is that a repaint of the stock or Akemi's or what?

    MR
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaskRider View Post
    Love the Val.

    Is that a repaint of the stock or Akemi's or what?

    MR
    MR, I seem to remember that Talos2005 did a series of green repaints for the Val some years ago. I can't remember whether they were for the stock Val or Akemi's model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenna View Post
    MR, I seem to remember that Talos2005 did a series of green repaints for the Val some years ago. I can't remember whether they were for the stock Val or Akemi's model.
    Ravenna, you seem to remember correctly!

    Found them. They are repaints of Akemi's Val- along with repaints of Akemi's A6M3, E13A "Jake", A6M2N "Rufe" and F1M2 "Pete"!

    Thanks!
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    Having fun with Thickos Kates!

    Found a three-pack of skins for Thicko's B5N2 "Kate"s- made by Morton. One each for the heavy bomber group leaders (I think) from the carriers Akagi, Soryu and Zuikaku on Dec 7th 1941.

    Here a few screenshots of each taken aboard their respective carriers.

    Matsusaki - Akagi
    \
    Yonekura - Soryu


    Kawada - Zuikaku


    Cheers,
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    Hi, everyone,

    IJN filmed Fuchida’s AI-301 on April 5, 1942 (Akagi, Battle of Ceylon). It was the same air frame flew over Pearl Harbor. Heavy duty for four months changed its green painting into camouflage-like dazzle painting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarepy View Post
    Hi, everyone,

    IJN filmed Fuchida’s AI-301 on April 5, 1942 (Akagi, Battle of Ceylon). It was the same air frame flew over Pearl Harbor. Heavy duty for four months changed its green painting into camouflage-like dazzle painting.
    Hiya tarepy,

    Thanks for that very interesting little nugget. The skin I was going to name Fuchida2 I will now call Fuchida Ceylon APR42

    It matches up very nicely with the unidentified default skin included in Thickos pack


    Here is the Fuchida Pearl Harbor skin

    Cheers and thanks again!
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    Top information, tarepy: Mistery solved!

    And a nice idea to use the skin in 1942!
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    Ravenna & Jaxon,

    I've been having some fun with Talos2005's skins for Akemi's Aichi D3A1 "Val".

    Thanks for bringing them to my attention!

    MR




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    Here is the same AI-301 made by UncleTgt for the overhauled stock B5N2 Kate.

    December 1941:


    April 1942:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxane-21 View Post
    Here is the same AI-301 made by UncleTgt for the overhauled stock B5N2 Kate.

    December 1941:


    April 1942:
    I must have missed the one. It's a fine example of the hastily applied green paint at that time.
    Thanks for the reminder Roxane-21.

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    Thanks Roxane-21. I have got to get those skins.

    Regards,
    B24Guy

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    Yes, thank Roxane-21,

    A couple of shots of B24 Guys overhauled Val with UTs skins.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxane-21 View Post
    Here is the same AI-301 made by UncleTgt for the overhauled stock B5N2 Kate.

    December 1941:


    April 1942:
    Hi Roxane-21,

    You've git me tearing out what little hair I have left! My B24Guy-OH'd B5N2 mdl file is not shined. I mean not even a whisper of a shine does it have. Can you direct me to whatever version of B24-Guys OH Kate you are using? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaskRider View Post
    Hi Roxane-21,

    You've git me tearing out what little hair I have left! My B24Guy-OH'd B5N2 mdl file is not shined. I mean not even a whisper of a shine does it have. Can you direct me to whatever version of B24-Guys OH Kate you are using? Thanks!

    MR
    Ask UncleTgt. These are his screenshots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaskRider View Post
    Hi Roxane-21,

    You've git me tearing out what little hair I have left! My B24Guy-OH'd B5N2 mdl file is not shined. I mean not even a whisper of a shine does it have. Can you direct me to whatever version of B24-Guys OH Kate you are using? Thanks!

    MR
    Hey Chris, It's been a while.

    I've been messing around in the Win 10 environment and have just D/L'ed Allen's " DOSMdlc 2.0". My hope is to use it to get Ivan's MDLC running again in 10.
    Give me a little time to learn it's nuances and there could be hope for shining up this bird.

    Take Care, Dave

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    Dave

    Great to see you back. Allens DOSmdl is an excellent tool , but IIRC the answer of the "shiny B5N2 Kate" is simpler - I downloaded OBIO's shined OH models from SOH http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=17&id=876

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTgt View Post
    Dave

    Great to see you back. Allens DOSmdl is an excellent tool , but IIRC the answer of the "shiny B5N2 Kate" is simpler - I downloaded OBIO's shined OH models from SOH http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=17&id=876
    Well hell yeah, that is a bit simpler! Thanks UncleTgt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxane-21 View Post
    Ask UncleTgt. These are his screenshots.
    Quote Originally Posted by dvslats View Post
    Hey Chris, It's been a while.

    I've been messing around in the Win 10 environment and have just D/L'ed Allen's " DOSMdlc 2.0". My hope is to use it to get Ivan's MDLC running again in 10.
    Give me a little time to learn it's nuances and there could be hope for shining up this bird.

    Take Care, Dave
    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTgt View Post
    Dave

    Great to see you back. Allens DOSmdl is an excellent tool , but IIRC the answer of the "shiny B5N2 Kate" is simpler - I downloaded OBIO's shined OH models from SOH http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=17&id=876
    Quote Originally Posted by dvslats View Post
    Well hell yeah, that is a bit simpler! Thanks UncleTgt.


    Hah hah!

    Yes, indeed, UT that does simplify the issue!

    Thanks to all, Roxane-21, Dave and UT for the big assist!

    Cheers,
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    Looking Good!

    Before:


    After:


    Cheers,
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    Icon5 Kanji character help

    Okay, got one for you guys:

    I need help identifying the Japanese Kanji character in the tail marking below and need to get the English phonetic spelling for the Japanese word it stands for:


    For instance, the Kanji character in the following tail marking means Tiger and the phonetic English spelling of the Japanese word is Tora.



    I think it has something to do with either "power/strength" or "fang/tusk" but wouldn't want to put any money on either.

    If it were power/strength the phonetic English would be Ryoku.

    Thanks,
    MR

    PS: This is one of the skins from Morton's MK_MZ-A6M2b.zip
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    The upper one is not Kanji character. It's one of Katakana, Japan's own phonetic symbol, and stands for "O". O-148 was A6M belonged to Omura Kokutai. Omura is the name of a city in Nagasaki prefecture. Maritime Self Defense Force uses Omura air base today. If you are interested in, please visit Nagasaki Airport (RJFU). You will find a 4000ft-runway of the base in east side of RJFU.

    The lower is A6M from 261 Kokutai which perished in battle of Saipan. It seems that "Tora" was named after its Wing Commander Taketora Ueda, also KIA in Saipan. Taketora means "furious tiger". Please refer to page 209-211 of "Japanese Naval Fighter Aces: 1932-45". It's available on Google Books free of charge.

    https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=NOy3DAAAQBAJ
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