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    Early Messerschmitt Bf109 B, C and D in progress.

    Hi Folks,
    Just thought of giving you some sneaky peaks of what's next, see my other post as well.

    This is a beaut of an early Me, a Bf 109B. There will be an early B1, a late B1, a C1 and a D1. Loads of texs to go with them. Been working on these for a while, but still some way to go.

    The Berta, Ceasar and Dora has never been done for Fs2004 before, well Scrubby did a B-C but nothing like this!...

    Will be for Fs9, CFS2 and alright then, if we must, FSX as well.

    Update soon.

    Cheers

    Shessi
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    Hi Shessi,

    Would that be FSX native? reason I ask is because I, as so many others, fly P3D v4.x and models that are not FSX native will not work in the sim.

    But this is brilliant news for most simmers!!

    Cheers,

    Priller

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    Oh yes looking forward to the B. (FSX of course, 9 at a push)

    Scrub did a B many years ago but seem to recall it was very unstable to the point of being unflyable in FSX.
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    Great choice Shessi But be careful Bf109s can become very addictive

    Cheers,
    Huub

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    Pips, Sorry no. I don't use P3D but I can't believe you can't use FSX ac in P3D??

    N, hopefully getting it looking good in all the sims...even FSX..Ha!

    H,.....hmmmm....

    Shessi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shessi View Post
    Pips, Sorry no. I don't use P3D but I can't believe you can't use FSX ac in P3D??

    N, hopefully getting it looking good in all the sims...even FSX..Ha!

    H,.....hmmmm....

    Shessi
    Hi Shessi,

    Native FSX models can indeed be used in the 64 bit version of P3D (v4.x). The only problem is the .gau files. If the gauges are xml though, they can be used.

    But if the model is native, we can always swap out the gauges!

    Cheers,

    priller

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    Gotta get out my Luftwaffe flight gear again. Now where did I put my Knight's Cross...?

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    Shessi,you have my full attention!

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    Wow, this is great news. Looking forward to flying this beauty.

    Cheers

    Taff
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    But, it's just as hard to mow!

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    Great! Long live FS2004!

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    Just one question.... do they come with cup holders???



    Cheers mav

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    Hi Folks,
    Getting there.......

    Still a fair bit to do. The gauges in the pics are static (but looks good doesn't it?!), working cockpit VC will be populated with working gauges, ac with plenty of ani's and some high quality tex being done as we speak!

    And....YES...it does Mav, but only on the De Luxe model...lol

    Cheers

    Shessi
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Me109B1 6.jpg   Me109B1 3.jpg   Me109B1 1.jpg   Me109B1 2.jpg   Me109B1 4.jpg   Me109B1 5.jpg  


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    Nice! But white wall tires on a German aircraft? . And the green mug is wrong.... The "B" from Bf stands for "Bayerische" (Bavarian). So the mug should look like this!



    Prost!!!

    Huub

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    Quote Originally Posted by huub vink View Post
    Nice! But white wall tires on a German aircraft?
    I've seen photos of WW2 German aircraft with white wall tires. The image that pops into my mind from books read many years ago is of Fw.190s on the eastern front.

    I don't suppose it was done for style. Maybe something to do with the unnatural color of ersatz rubber???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick View Post
    I've seen photos of WW2 German aircraft with white wall tires. The image that pops into my mind from books read many years ago is of Fw.190s on the eastern front.

    I don't suppose it was done for style. Maybe something to do with the unnatural color of ersatz rubber???
    Good point Mick.
    Even today certain types of rubber takes on a light grey and eventually a whitish caste as it oxidises over time.
    Or perhaps the units were just white walling the tyres as an elitist thing.
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    IIRC Captain Sim's F-104 has tires that have a grayish cast to them.

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    Bf....Bayerische Flugzeugwerke.... but what mug

    Quote Originally Posted by huub vink View Post
    Nice! But white wall tires on a German aircraft? . And the green mug is wrong.... The "B" from Bf stands for "Bayerische" (Bavarian). So the mug should look like this!



    Prost!!!

    Huub
    I don't understand... what mug are you talking about???
    G.

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    Ha ha ha...you ol' spotters you, damn white wall tyres and cup holders are the main talking points....ha ha. You'll be asking me about the ashtray next!

    I've got to admit I'm partial to the ww tyres on this, BUT I've not seen any pics of early 109's with them on, soooo I think they'll have to go...or........if someone knows better...

    G and Huub, the green mug is a cup-holder, and is actually based on a can of VB (Aussie Victoria Bitter), it's because Mav asked if it had a cup holder (see previous post) and when I did the Me410 I put one in it for him, just a chuckle and of course will not be modelled (only because I'm not doing the De Luxe model...).

    Anyhoo onwards and upwards.....to the stars and..(OMG 50yrs, I remember sitting in front of a b&w tv as a youngster..watching it from about 2ft away, finding it completely fascinating..fantastic).

    Cheers

    Shessi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shessi View Post
    Ha ha ha...you ol' spotters you, damn white wall tyres and cup holders are the main talking points....ha ha. You'll be asking me about the ashtray next!

    I've got to admit I'm partial to the ww tyres on this, BUT I've not seen any pics of early 109's with them on, soooo I think they'll have to go...or........if someone knows better...

    G and Huub, the green mug is a cup-holder, and is actually based on a can of VB (Aussie Victoria Bitter), it's because Mav asked if it had a cup holder (see previous post) and when I did the Me410 I put one in it for him, just a chuckle and of course will not be modelled (only because I'm not doing the De Luxe model...).

    Anyhoo onwards and upwards.....to the stars and..(OMG 50yrs, I remember sitting in front of a b&w tv as a youngster..watching it from about 2ft away, finding it completely fascinating..fantastic).

    Cheers

    Shessi
    Precisely, I thought it was a can of bitters... the Huub comes out with the picture of a mug????
    G.

    PS: Did you see the panel for the Alf I started?

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    Beautiful Shessi.

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    Now it gets even more confusing, I didn't recognise the Victoria Bitter beer can as I though most beer cans have a bare aluminium top.But what does Australian beer in aluminium has to do with a pre-war German aircraft? I always though the aluminium drink can was invented in the late 50-ties or early 60-ties.

    As Germany was depending on import for rubber, by 1940 more than half of all German tires were already made of BuNa kautschuk! As far as I know these tires were black with a slight purple glow over them. I have seen quite some pictures from WWII German aircraft in my life, but I can not recall I ever saw one with white wall tires.

    Below a BuNa tire from a Bf110.

    Cheers,
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    What about this, fake?

    https://images.app.goo.gl/yQ5JuHNUaVxhHWSk8

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    Ha ha Taff, I knew someone would find something.

    That's on an E Trop model, so not an early B/C model, but still proves ww tyres were about and used operationally!

    Cheers

    Shessi

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgatkinson View Post
    What about this, fake?

    https://images.app.goo.gl/yQ5JuHNUaVxhHWSk8

    Taff
    Hi Taff,

    The answer is already given in the britmodellers thread. The tires were either whitewashed, or covered with dust or dried mud. That is not exactly what I call a white wall tire.

    When you think about the problems the Germans already had to face as they didn't have any natural rubber, why would they put any effort in a purely cosmetic thing as a white wall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shessi View Post
    That's on an E Trop model, so not an early B/C model, but still proves ww tyres were about and used operationally!
    Yep proof has been delivered that high contrast black & white picture are tricky things

    Common guys you really need to do better than this
    (Now don't come up with a snow covered tire)

    Cheers,
    Huub

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