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  1. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by gp183601 View Post
    Dug out the very old Oriskany model this evening -----
    That's about all i'm prepared to do on it no fancy moving elevators or anything like that as this mdl doesn't deserve the attention.
    I have another Essex class which is much further on than this and about 100 times better - i'm still pondering what to do with it but it deserves more of my time than this old creation but if you need a CVT-16 for free I can do the necessary mods and i'll park my experimentation in submarines for now --- --
    Gaz
    Thanks for th effort.

    These beat up 27Cs in their later lives wouldn't operate elevator number 2 (end of angled deck) very often anyway because it would too often have problems, get hung up and need repairs - negating recovery at the wrong time.

  2. #27

    Please Continue

    Please continue the work. Again, I'm totally pleased with this one and tweak and finish it up and many thanks.

    R

  3. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by gp183601 View Post
    Dug out the very old Oriskany model this evening - didn't take long to change the deck textures and make the pennant number changeable. This is a very old model so I won't spend too much time on it - maybe tidy up the hull add a rotating radar and moving blast deflectors will let you know when it's done and available for use.

    That's about all i'm prepared to do on it no fancy moving elevators or anything like that as this mdl doesn't deserve the attention.

    I have another Essex class which is much further on than this and about 100 times better - i'm still pondering what to do with it but it deserves more of my time than this old creation but if you need a CVT-16 for free I can do the necessary mods and i'll park my experimentation in submarines for now




    Cheers
    Gaz
    Hi Gary,

    Beautiful! I've been perfectly happy using the Oriskany, but if you've done the work that would be awesome. I've been working now for a couple of months creating scenery around Pensacola to recreate what it looked like in the 50's and into the 60's, and do plan to do the work to release it for public consumption someday soon. A CVT-16 would be an awesome compliment to that. Really fun to take off and do "bounce" flights in various trainers. Just picked up the RAZBAM Buckeye and TA-4J, and already have Ant's T-28C, and of course Dino's T-45.

    Started with Saufley and it's grown from there. I've done that and Summerdale, Magnolia, Wolf, started doing some work on Whiting to get it back to the 50's 60's (there's a more modern one available).




    Tom

  4. #29

    T2 Textures

    If you search the Warbird Library here you will find the 3 custom textures I did for the Buckeye for one of the members here of TRARON 23. Just checked and you can find them by just typing in "Buckeye" and hit search.

  5. #30
    Great! Thanks!

    Sadly, I have hit my limit for the moment for downloads : (

    But, as soon as they let me, I'll be there : )

    Wow, just did a flight from Meridian to the Gulf, they've got a long way to go for carrier trials from Meridian.

    What I've been working on the last week or so; I've found a way to convert models from SolidWorks into 3DS models, so now at least creating the solid is super easy for me now (texturing and animating and grouping etc, ouch, got a long way to go there to figure out that part). So I've been modeling the Collings Foundation Hangar and American Heritage museum, and I've been searching for tanks and other artifacts to put in the buildings in FS. Someday, I'll have the Collings airfield modeled along with them, and you can explore the whole place in FS : )

    (Yeah, a lot of stuff on my plate).

    The Solidworks Model (roof removed) of the American Heritage Museum
    the Model in GMax
    Showing the facets
    The Collings Foundation Hangar in Stow, MA

    Here's what I was working on last night, a paint for the SOH F-100D (is it a C or D?) of the Collings Foundation F-100F (yeah, wrong model, but there's no good F with a VC as far as I can tell, and, heck, that SOH model is an awful nice bird to fly : ) ). Well, I can't really say it's my paint. I just took the 56-3206 paint in the model, changed the markings and fixed up the nose paint a bit. Next up will be a MA ANG version.


    Last edited by FlyingsCool; February 17th, 2019 at 18:18.

  6. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by tgycgijoes View Post
    If you search the Warbird Library here you will find the 3 custom textures I did for the Buckeye for one of the members here of TRARON 23. Just checked and you can find them by just typing in "Buckeye" and hit search.
    P.S. Turns out I had already downloaded them

    Thanks again.

    Here's a pretty cool site on the Buckeye http://rickmorganbooks.com/t-2-buckeye.html

    He blogged about a bunch of interesting planes, actually.

  7. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingsCool View Post
    Great! Thanks!

    ----- Wow, just did a flight from Meridian to the Gulf, they've got a long way to go for carrier trials from Meridian. ---------------------.

    TRACOM CQ dets usually flew in to NAS Pensacola a day prior, then sortied out from there to LEX for CQ. Also made divert easier, all the maintenance and line det people from the various VT squadrons involved were pre-positioned there.

  8. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike71 View Post
    TRACOM CQ dets usually flew in to NAS Pensacola a day prior, then sortied out from there to LEX for CQ. Also made divert easier, all the maintenance and line det people from the various VT squadrons involved were pre-positioned there.
    Ah, ok, that makes sense. Is it also why you'd see a mix of squadrons in the pics of the Lex?

    I was reading a story today about a cadet who was doing his first CQ with 7 others from his squad on Lake Michigan in 1942; 3 cadets lost their lives that day (they were each attempting 8 traps in one day). Dangerous work!

  9. #34
    Used an image of Lexington from the 1980's to see what she roughly looked like. Tidied up/replaced some textures, did some minor tweaking to the model (stern, pri-fly). Just need to do the animations now (JBDs, radars). Nothing fancy just enough to make it a bit less rough around the edges compared to Oriskany



    Cheers
    Gaz

  10. #35
    Gorgeous! That's so awesome! Thank you!

  11. #36

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    That looks great!

    My hope is that we'll eventually have all of these SCB-125 Essex class ships available.

    CVS-9 Essex
    CVS-10 Yorktown
    CVS-11 Intrepid
    CVS-12 Hornet
    CVA-14 Ticonderoga
    CVA-19 Hancock
    CVS-20 Bennington
    CVA-31 Bon Homme Richard
    CVS-33 Kearsarge
    CVA-34 Oriskany
    CVS-38 Shangri-La

    They would be great for multiplayer scenarios.
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  12. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingsCool View Post
    Ah, ok, that makes sense. Is it also why you'd see a mix of squadrons in the pics of the Lex?

    I was reading a story today about a cadet who was doing his first CQ with 7 others from his squad on Lake Michigan in 1942; 3 cadets lost their lives that day (they were each attempting 8 traps in one day). Dangerous work!
    LEX was "run hard and put away wet" in her later years as the dedicated TRACOM CVT/AVT. She was stripped of any combat capability so as not count in the Navy carrier force structure. Berthed in Pensacola she worked the Gulf of Mexico coastline to host the day CQ requirements of basic and advanced flight students. Qualification required satisfactory completion of (at least during my career up into the 90's):

    All TRACOM qualifications were DAY ONLY
    - 2 touch and goes
    - 6 traps
    - The T-28s / TS-2s got 6 deck launches
    - T-2/F-9/TA-4 students got 6 cat shots.

    Depending on the weather and other operational scheduling, LEX would transit westward towards Corpus Christi and operate near the coastline to service monthly qual periods for the advanced jet squadrons at NAS Beevilee and NAS Kingsville as well as the advanced prop squadrons and their TS-2s at NAS Corpus Christi. This saved those squadrons the effort of packing up monthly detachments to Pensacola, which was somewhat disruptive.

    T-2 squadrons at Meridian did not perform CQ ops in my day. Students finishing up basic jet in VT-7 and VT-9 were transferred to a dedicated CQ/air to air gunnery squadron at Pensacola for basic jet CQ in the T-2. The squadron was VT-4. VT-5 at Whiting Field outside Pensacola was a T-28C squadron that served the same purpose for basic prop CQ.

    Newly designated Naval Aviators got their first night qualifications at the end of their initial "type training" in various dedicated squadrons called "Replacement Air Groups" or "RAGs". Qualification in any type required

    - 2 touch and goes
    - 4 day traps / cats
    - 6 night traps/cats

    These were spread across 2 days, a limit of 6 traps a day was a rule. On LEX, your shoulders were falling off your spine after 6 traps in a jet. Arresting gear runout was only about 200 feet.

    LEX was frequently busy past midnight working A-4s, A-7s, A-6s., S-2s, or E-1s and perhaps a few EA-1 "left handed Spads" She could not handle the F-4, E-2, or F-14s.

    Staying close ashore in the Gulf allowed easy transit for various planes to/from the ship during CQ periods so the ship did not have to have too many planes on deck at one time. That could get to be a real problem with too many nervous and excited students trying to bang into each other despite the flight deck directors' best efforts. planes usually were on deck only for a "hot pump" refueling, pilot change or down for maintenance. The ship had very limited maintenance capability other than minor equipment swapouts and general servicing. Anything major that was wrong with a plane often required it to be off-loaded pierside at Pensacola by crane for fixing there.

    More seasoned aviators returning to squadron duty after disassociated assignments also went through a RAG before rolling back to a fleet squadron. They may even be flying a totally different fleet plane then their previous experience (A-4 to A-7 as an example), or things in planes change over time - bigger engine, better weapons systems, etc so that was necessary.
    Last edited by Mike71; February 21st, 2019 at 05:17.

  13. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike71 View Post
    LEX was "run hard and put away wet" in her later years as the dedicated TRACOM CVT/AVT. She was stripped of any combat capability so as not count in the Navy carrier force structure. Berthed in Pensacola she worked the Gulf of Mexico coastline to host the day CQ requirements of basic and advanced flight students. Qualification required satisfactory completion of (at least during my career up into the 90's):

    All TRACOM qualifications were DAY ONLY
    - 2 touch and goes
    - 6 traps
    - The T-28s / TS-2s got 6 deck launches
    - T-2/F-9/TA-4 students got 6 cat shots.

    Depending on the weather and other operational scheduling, LEX would transit westward towards Corpus Christi and operate near the coastline to service monthly qual periods for the advanced jet squadrons at NAS Beevilee and NAS Kingsville as well as the advanced prop squadrons and their TS-2s at NAS Corpus Christi. This saved those squadrons the effort of packing up monthly detachments to Pensacola, which was somewhat disruptive.

    T-2 squadrons at Meridian did not perform CQ ops in my day. Students finishing up basic jet in VT-7 and VT-9 were transferred to a dedicated CQ/air to air gunnery squadron at Pensacola for basic jet CQ in the T-2. The squadron was VT-4. VT-5 at Whiting Field outside Pensacola was a T-28C squadron that served the same purpose for basic prop CQ.

    Newly designated Naval Aviators got their first night qualifications at the end of their initial "type training" in various dedicated squadrons called "Replacement Air Groups" or "RAGs". Qualification in any type required

    - 2 touch and goes
    - 4 day traps / cats
    - 6 night traps/cats

    These were spread across 2 days, a limit of 6 traps a day was a rule. On LEX, your shoulders were falling off your spine after 6 traps in a jet. Arresting gear runout was only about 200 feet.

    LEX was frequently busy past midnight working A-4s, A-7s, A-6s., S-2s, or E-1s and perhaps a few EA-1 "left handed Spads" She could not handle the F-4, E-2, or F-14s.

    Staying close ashore in the Gulf allowed easy transit for various planes to/from the ship during CQ periods so the ship did not have to have too many planes on deck at one time. That could get to be a real problem with too many nervous and excited students trying to bang into each other despite the flight deck directors' best efforts. planes usually were on deck only for a "hot pump" refueling, pilot change or down for maintenance. The ship had very limited maintenance capability other than minor equipment swapouts and general servicing. Anything major that was wrong with a plane often required it to be off-loaded pierside at Pensacola by crane for fixing there.

    More seasoned aviators returning to squadron duty after disassociated assignments also went through a RAG before rolling back to a fleet squadron. They may even be flying a totally different fleet plane then their previous experience (A-4 to A-7 as an example), or things in planes change over time - bigger engine, better weapons systems, etc so that was necessary.
    Awesome info, Thanks!

    Here's a cool account of training for two pilots from the 50's and 60's

    https://airfactsjournal.com/2018/10/doing-it-the-old-school-way-carrier-qualification-in-the-1950s-and-60s/

    P.S. Now you've got me on a hunt for a TS-2 repaint. Saw a pic, cool looking plane....

  14. #39
    Reading through the T-2 material reminds me of how the instability of DoD funding decisions impacts the whole system. All the changes in squadrons and locations (Meridian, Kingsville, Beeville, etc) were driven by base closure decisions (and individual influence of state Congressional delegations) that dictated re-alignment. It is even more so today with a great deal of joint service flight training syllabi, which I personally feel is correct. Spinning off to unique service training can be done at a later point.

  15. #40
    Very interesting, Mike. Thanks!

    I wish Corpus wasn't such a long way from Pensacola, or I'd go visit the Lex. Really is a shame that Pensacola wasn't chosen as the final home for her. NC

  16. #41
    Managed to get some free time today to finish off a variant of Lexington - Its pretty basic but I've updated some of the hull and superstructure and added some animations.

    There are
    some errors still in the model (meatball is waaaaay off, some texture anomalies in the superstructure etc) and I haven't bothered with night textures but in the absence of another CVT-16 it should suffice for what you are looking for to cover the 'hole'

    Line up your nosewheel with the exact start of the catapult track to engage the launch bar with the catapult

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TxG...ew?usp=sharing







    Credits to additional developers included in readme

    Cheers
    Gaz

  17. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by gp183601 View Post
    Managed to get some free time today to finish off a variant of Lexington - Its pretty basic but I've updated some of the hull and superstructure and added some animations.

    There are
    some errors still in the model (meatball is waaaaay off, some texture anomalies in the superstructure etc) and I haven't bothered with night textures but in the absence of another CVT-16 it should suffice for what you are looking for to cover the 'hole'

    Line up your nosewheel with the exact start of the catapult track to engage the launch bar with the catapult

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TxG...ew?usp=sharing







    Credits to additional developers included in readme

    Cheers
    Gaz
    Looks great. Just downloaded. Thanks for sharing

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    Lovely, Gary!

    I took it out for a quick cruise off Corpus Christi and took the Razbam T-2. Quite nice indeed. Love that you have Guy's static T-2s and crew figures. A perfect training environment for the early 60s all the way to the 90s. Added a plane guard helo and a destroyer picket just in case the sewage went into the ventilation ...

    No issues whatsoever, apart from the ball alignment you've already pointed out. Will get lots of use out of this boat, for sure.

    Thanks so much!

    dl

  19. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by gp183601 View Post
    Managed to get some free time today to finish off a variant of Lexington - Its pretty basic but I've updated some of the hull and superstructure and added some animations.

    There are
    some errors still in the model (meatball is waaaaay off, some texture anomalies in the superstructure etc) and I haven't bothered with night textures but in the absence of another CVT-16 it should suffice for what you are looking for to cover the 'hole'

    Line up your nosewheel with the exact start of the catapult track to engage the launch bar with the catapult

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TxG...ew?usp=sharing







    Credits to additional developers included in readme

    Cheers
    Gaz
    Awesome!!! Thanks so much!

  20. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by gp183601 View Post
    Used an image of Lexington from the 1980's to see what she roughly looked like. Tidied up/replaced some textures, did some minor tweaking to the model (stern, pri-fly). Just need to do the animations now (JBDs, radars). Nothing fancy just enough to make it a bit less rough around the edges compared to Oriskany



    Cheers
    Gaz
    Thanks for sharing the Lex.

    I read your readme and there was only one ship entry to put in AI carriers
    [formation.xx]<--------Where xx is the next number in your formation
    title=USS Lexington
    unit.0=Lexington_AVT16, 0, 0

    Yet, I have two ships sailing with the Lex and don't have any idea why they are there.





    This is view from plane guard posit and of ship in pic above (port abeam of Lex) ^

  21. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by gray eagle View Post
    Thanks for sharing the Lex.

    I read your readme and there was only one ship entry to put in AI carriers
    [formation.xx]<--------Where xx is the next number in your formation
    title=USS Lexington
    unit.0=Lexington_AVT16, 0, 0

    Yet, I have two ships sailing with the Lex and don't have any idea why they are there
    You may have another entry in AICarriers which also has a title=USS Lexington so I would advise you check the Conf for a duplicate entry as the pictures you posted are not of the Lex model I built but Cimogts variant (I assume you bought his payware release?)

    Cimogts model uses the same base model from sketchup warehouse and he has included my Tilly crane in his release as well as some other features from my original Oriskany but from the images his island for Lex is slightly different to mine (I removed the gun directors, changed the radar to match Lex as a training carrier, added guy doittes T-2). He also added more clutter to the island and walkways which I can see in the images I didn’t bother as I’m not planning to do any extensive development to this model

    cheers
    Gaz

  22. #47
    Gary,

    Excellent work and very generous of you to share this. I see you have thoughtfully enabled people to change the hull and island numbers by changing the textures. Is there also an easy way to remove the Buckeye trainers to have a clear deck/generic Essex boat for people to play with?

    Thanks again!
    Striker, listen, and you listen close: flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle, just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.

  23. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by expat View Post
    Gary,

    Excellent work and very generous of you to share this. I see you have thoughtfully enabled people to change the hull and island numbers by changing the textures. Is there also an easy way to remove the Buckeye trainers to have a clear deck/generic Essex boat for people to play with?

    Thanks again!
    No there’s no easy way to remove the buckeyes without recompiling the model. Let me see how long it would take to do a one off special for you with a slightly updated model.


  24. #49
    I would love to have a Yorktown and Intrepid (10 and 11).
    Oh, to be young again.

  25. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by jmbiii View Post
    I would love to have a Yorktown and Intrepid (10 and 11).
    Oh, to be young again.
    Pre or post SCB27 (installation of the angled decks?). The models do exist for pre-SCB27.

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