FSX native AVRO Tutor

[Postbaer61]

I want to let you know, that i have converted Nigel's great AVRO 621 Tutor models to FSX native format,
which means, that it will work also in P3Dv4+

Nigel gave again his kind permission, to publish my conversions,
until he had done his own FSX Native version.

So here we go again

The conversions

https://www.mediafire.com/file/lu4m8...Part1.zip/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/cf7yf...Part2.zip/file

I have also updated the FSX native 621 and Trainer models
with a new smaller navlight effect, the new models have to
redownloaded .

https://www.mediafire.com/file/89wao..._over.zip/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/prhth..._over.zip/file

Cheers
Ulrich

[TuFun]

Awesome! Much appreciate the conversion!

[UnknownGuest12]

Much obliged to all the people involved on this beautifull project...

[tgycgijoes]

Thank you so much for your generous efforts to us all

[Twice43]

T43

BTW, which of the various Imgur settings do people use to post images on this forum?

[blanston12]

Thank you very much, downloading now.

Out of curiosity, The old package is the Avro 621 Tutor, the new one is just the Avro Tutor, other than the cowl around engine is there a real world difference between them? Are they all Avro 621's?

[Julio Garcia]

Hi Ulrich

only one question: the Tutor Texture files are Bitmap files and not DDS. Work P3D 4.4 fine with Bitmap files???

Liebe Grüße aus Oberfranken

Julio

[Julio Garcia]

Hi Ulrich

only one question: the Tutor Texture files are Bitmap files and not DDS. Work P3D 4.4 fine with Bitmap files??? Many many thanks for you SuperB work. Nigel thank you so much för this beautiful plane. Check Checkers and Dischem Specials.

Liebe Grüße aus Oberfranken

Julio

[Heukie]

Thanks a million!!!

[Postbaer61]

Hallo Julio,

Yes bmp files works fine with P3Dv4, no need to convert to dds format.

Vielen Dank
und Viele Grüße aus dem schönen Ruhrpott

Ulrich

[Postbaer61]

For all, which have download the files until yet,
There was a bug in model.cowl folder.

You have to change the model.cfg with the editor
to

[models]
normal=cowl_FSXn
interior=cowl_FSXn_int

Sorry for the cicumstances, i have correct the download file
meanwhile.

[Twice43]

Tutor out of Fairoaks.
Flies magnificently.
T43



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[Postbaer61]

Tutor out of Fairoaks.
Flies magnificently.
T43



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Yepp , Looks great, thank you

[Twice43]

Ok.
1 more
T43

[dvj]

Just downloaded and tried the new native FSX files in FSX. Compared to the original port over, I no longer have the pilot animation (head movement). The nav lights (red and green) also seem to be missing. Using FSX in DX10.

-d

[Motormouse]

Thank you very much, downloading now.

Out of curiosity, The old package is the Avro 621 Tutor, the new one is just the Avro Tutor, other than the cowl around engine is there a real world difference between them? Are they all Avro 621's?

Hi Joe, no, not really all 621's, while the majority of the airframe is same, they do have different engines, Armstrong-Siddeley Mongoose 155 hp in 621, Armstrong Siddeley Lynx 180hp in Tutor. (Although some late build Tutors were in fact model 626 Prefect with gunners position faired over). Then there are the 626 Prefect, export versions got Armstrong-Siddeley Cheetah 230 hp engine, and then there's the 646 Sea Tutor (on floats),and then Polish built ones, which were wood, with Wright Whirlwind engines.

Oh, and as things progressed, the Lynx engine got more hp, as did the Cheetah.

As you can imagine, Magoo, myself, and Keith have had a bit of fun and head scratching to make them all similar but different to fly.

Ttfn

Pete

[Postbaer61]

Just downloaded and tried the new native FSX files in FSX. Compared to the original port over, I no longer have the pilot animation (head movement). The nav lights (red and green) also seem to be missing. Using FSX in DX10.

-d

Hi dvj ,
I have attached the missing nav lights now to all
native models.
You can redownload the files, to get the updates.

The pilot head movement must be complet animated new,
the current state represents a compromise.
Also the vc lighting don't work very well in P3Dv4,
so i have use the fx_vclight.fx variant in the aircraft.cfg.

When you load the original file to MCX you will get
something like this here



it was the best result i could get, so we have to live
with that compromiss, until Nigel brings the real native version.
I can only recommend to use Nigel's port over models for FSX,
my converted FSX native models are intended primarily for P3Dv4 users,
who will not be able to enjoy Nigel's Avros until he releases his FSX original native models.

Cheers
Ulrich

[magoo]

I see nothing wrong with that pilot.....other than he's probably experiencing the effects of Ouzo in the cockpit.

It's probably a regional thing....

None the less....Avro's 621 aircraft were known to be a "gentleman's" flyer, and could certainly be expected to fly themselves home within such scenario.....

........And the pilot would wake up refreshed.

[dvj]

Hi dvj ,
I have attached the missing nav lights now to all
native models.
You can redownload the files, to get the updates.

The pilot head movement must be complet animated new,
the current state represents a compromise.
Also the vc lighting don't work very well in P3Dv4,
so i have use the fx_vclight.fx variant in the aircraft.cfg.

When you load the original file to MCX you will get
something like this here



it was the best result i could get, so we have to live
with that compromiss, until Nigel brings the real native version.
I can only recommend to use Nigel's port over models for FSX,
my converted FSX native models are intended primarily for P3Dv4 users,
who will not be able to enjoy Nigel's Avros until he releases his FSX original native models.

Cheers
Ulrich

Oh I like that. The sleeping pilot.

-d

[Twice43]

Hi dvj ,
I have attached the missing nav lights now to all
native models.
You can redownload the files, to get the updates.

Cheers
Ulrich

Nav lights??
Real pilots don't need nav lights!

Having made several 'landings' in the Native Tutor I am wondering how on earth the pilots could see where they were going on approach?
Perhaps I'm 'sitting' too low in the cockpit, but I can't see any runway in the last 50' or so. Did they side slip in to get their line up altitude correct?
T43

[magoo]

Having made several 'landings' in the Native Tutor I am wondering how on earth the pilots could see where they were going on approach?

Yeah....a little side slip would help. In real life the pilot would lean out and look down the side of the aircraft to keep the landing target in view.

I found I could do it by sliding my viewpoint around. Ctrl and the arrow keys (left/right/up/down) work quick enough to keep me happy.

TrackIR users have an easier time if one wishes to spring for the hardware and wear a funny hat while flying.

Mind you.....except in the most temperate climates....the real life open aircraft pilot will need to wear a funny hat anyway......so.....good way to add realism to the simulation....

[PeteHam]

Nav lights??
Real pilots don't need nav lights!

Having made several 'landings' in the Native Tutor I am wondering how on earth the pilots could see where they were going on approach?
Perhaps I'm 'sitting' too low in the cockpit, but I can't see any runway in the last 50' or so. Did they side slip in to get their line up altitude correct?
T43

Generally you can't see the runway straight ahead if you fly a long final.

Fly a close in base leg leading to a curved approach to a short final, and use a gentle side slip or gentle S turns down final.

In the final few moments before touch down get used to looking out either side to keep straight and to judge your round out height. It becomes second nature, but don't ever stop flying until the aircraft is stopped.

Pete.

[SSI01]

Reference is made in "Reach for the Sky" (Brickhill book) re: Bader witnessing someone he knew making a landing approach in a Tutor. Flying solo, and this man was a physically very imposing specimen, tall and well-built so his head and shoulders were well above the rear cockpit coaming. Bader knew who it was (a senior officer). As I think Nigel has stated in one of his write-ups on this airplane, it was the first in RAF service to have brakes. Apparently this man made a very good approach but forgot the brakes were included in the package and so was squeezing the hand brake without realizing it. Touched down and promptly flipped the aircraft over on its back.

PS - I like the sleeping pilot, too. A relaxed atmosphere is conducive to learning.

[delta_lima]

I see nothing wrong with that pilot.....other than he's probably experiencing the effects of Ouzo in the cockpit.

It's probably a regional thing....

None the less....Avro's 621 aircraft were known to be a "gentleman's" flyer, and could certainly be expected to fly themselves home within such scenario.....

........And the pilot would wake up refreshed.

SSI01


PS - I like the sleeping pilot, too. A relaxed atmosphere is conducive to learning.

Well played, gents!

[nigel richards]

Tutor out of Fairoaks.
Flies magnificently.
T43



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Does it show!!!

Thanks for sharing the awesome screenshot, Tango43 :-)