Heinkels emerge from the paint shop

[pilto von pilto]

It must be using IP address. I did a test where I used a program called CURL to read from pilto's link from my office in SF and it read it fine, I tried again from a server I have access to that is located in Germany and the page was blocked.

Yes they are IP ranges. Annoyingly just ipv4 so I got to write it all out again for IPv6 which might be why bjoern is seeing it when he shouldnt if he's coming from an isp that has switched to IPV6 or whatever happens. I only use curl for weather updates on my desktop. Need to do more tutorials for curl.

thunder100 : thanks for the heads up on austria will add them in the next few days.

[YoYo]

It's ok for me (we can use symbols for historical reasons ect but not for popularization of this systems).

https://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/german/

I see the page but cant download (perhaps no files yet). Poland.

[Bjoern]

Yes they are IP ranges. Annoyingly just ipv4 so I got to write it all out again for IPv6 which might be why bjoern is seeing it when he shouldnt if he's coming from an isp that has switched to IPV6 or whatever happens.

Can't comment on that, since it's not my home network. I assume that it's IPv6 though.

[pilto von pilto]

It's ok for me (we can use symbols for historical reasons ect but not for popularization of this systems).



I see the page but cant download (perhaps no files yet). Poland.

To all,
I have asked the internet which countries ban the swastika and any other types of totalitarian symbols ( apparently the iron cross itself can be considered offensive )
So the following countries are now banned from this site Edit : I have also added the ipv6 for the following countries. ( I cant test IPV6 as I live in australia where the internet is run by smoke signals and the occasional goat delivery )

Brazil , poland , Austria and Germany, Ukraine and Russia.

Possible countries :

Apparently in Hungary it is a criminal misdemeanour to publicly display "totalitarian symbols", including the swastika, the SS insignia and the Arrow Cross, punishable by fine. Display for academic, educational, artistic or journalistic reasons is allowed. So we think it might be ok for hungarians.

In France, it is illegal to display Nazi flags, uniforms and insignia in public, unless for the purpose of a historical film, show, filmmaking or spectacle. and again I think the french will be ok here as well.

Canada and cyprus seem to ban them in public places so the thinking there is that this is a download for a private individual who wont be flying our aircraft in public.

For everyone else. If the page is loading slowly it is because of the huge iprange list that we have had to generate to ban these countries.

Gee I wonder why people dont do more luftwaffe subjects.

[IanP]

You'd get in trouble for flying a National Socialist flag or anything else that could be deemed "likely to cause offense" here in Blighty too... But this would come under the heading of historical and/or educational, so in that context it's fine.

However... There was a major scuffle here a while ago between a council and a Hindu temple.

Ian P.

[YoYo]

Hmmm, now I dont see this page, what happens?
As I wrote before, for Poland is ok, You can use historical markings.

Art. 256.
(...)
§ 3. Nie popełnia przestępstwa sprawca czynu zabronionego określonego w § 2, je-
żeli dopuścił się tego czynu w ramach działalności artystycznej, edukacyjnej,
kolekcjonerskiej lub naukowej.
(...)

Traslation by Google:

Article 256(...)
§ 3. The perpetrator of a prohibited act specified in § 2 does not commit a crime, if
that he committed this act as part of artistic and educational activities,
collectable or scientific.
(...)

Please back this page.

[gman5250]

Curious if history books are going to be banned as well.

Wellllllll….maybe it's time to re-define the branding of FSX and Prepar3D as educational tools. It's a plausible concept, in that we are primarily interested in learning aircraft and are prohibited from having fun to remain in honor of the EULA.

That way it would not be hateful to study history by re-enacting historically correct simulations and learn from our mistakes.


Sorry....IMO

[gman5250]

BTW...

I particularly like this model, so out of respect for the developer and all of the Bravo Sierra that they are compelled to negotiate, I plan on buying it twice, just to help cover the costs.


Call me crazy, but that's just how I roll.

[dhasdell]

<quote>You'd get in trouble for flying a National Socialist flag or anything else that could be deemed "likely to cause offense" here in Blighty too...</quote>
Let's face it, you can get in trouble for flying a Union Flag in Blighty these days, and as for a Cross of St George . . .

[Bjoern]

Gee I wonder why people dont do more luftwaffe subjects.

For non-German speaking devs: Language barrier, probably.


P.S: Aeroplaneheaven.com/german still works for me, both on Firefox and Edge.

And why not let retailers handle it?
Ship the bird without accurate markings and have them provide a patch for those with billing addresses from non-"problematic" countries.

[huub vink]

Really a stunning looking model. Another great job Aeroplane heaven

Cheers,
Huub

[Alan_A]

As posted previously - I'm in favor of historically accurate markings.

Because I'm a strong supporter of realism, I won't be flying anything in Luftwaffe markings since had I been there at the time, I wouldn't have been permitted to do that.

Looking forward to some screenshots of the captured RAF aircraft, since that's one I could have flown.

[bazzar]

Unfortunately, the only references we have of the captured Heinkel show it being an "H" . So regrettably we are not providing that scheme.There will be a full paintkit with the package so people can, if they wish, paint any livery of course.

[Alan_A]

Disappointed to hear that, Baz - I think in this case some license might have been in order. Speaking personally, I won't be buying - but best of luck with your launch.

[pilto von pilto]

As posted previously - I'm in favor of historically accurate markings.

Because I'm a strong supporter of realism, I won't be flying anything in Luftwaffe markings since had I been there at the time, I wouldn't have been permitted to do that.

<snip>

Disappointed to hear that, Baz - I think in this case some license might have been in order. Speaking personally, I won't be buying - but best of luck with your launch.

ummmm The 2 posts are contradictory.


Yoyo: "In Poland, public display of Nazi symbols, including the Nazi swastika, is a criminal offence punishable by up to eight years in jail. " just quoting one of the sites we went through. Possibly could get rid of the ban on poland but the 119580 line .htaccess file would be a bear to find just the polish ones. But see below.


Bjoern : some stores dont have that functionality. and we're selling it on our site so we needed ( see below on our newer fix idea ) to have a geo-locked area. I can only ask if you emptied your cache before trying again. We tried to ban ::FFFF:x.x.x.x based IP ranges but we're on a shared server and are unable to modify a .conf to allow that.

However we have a newer fix idea taken from our competitors!

After finding out what other people have done we're thinking of making the fantasy tail insignias the default installation... and have installers for the swastikas in the texture folder. These installers will have a a strongly worded introduction with a " I dont agree with this " button that closes the installation. Obviously there will be an installer if you so wish to go back. This puts the responsibility completely on the shoulders of the people who will install the insignias.

Oh and the reason devs dont do luftwaffe projects... all of this It took over an hour and a half to find which countries it was banned in set up the ipranges , switch out proxies and VPN's.. I could have been playing xbox!

[eddie]

Flight Replica's made the historical markings an optional download for their 109 and 262, leaving it up to the user to download and add it to the models. They haven't seen any problems over it that I've heard.

[jeansy]

Flight Replica's made the historical markings an optional download for their 109 and 262, leaving it up to the user to download and add it to the models. They haven't seen any problems over it that I've heard.

seems like logic, heaven forbid using it

[Alan_A]

ummmm The 2 posts are contradictory.

Strictly speaking, you're right.

But there are rules and there are exceptions... and sometimes rules are relaxed for various reasons... say, to broaden the appeal of a product by introducing a slight variation that wanders a little away from realism. Say, for the sake of argument, a developer includes a DC-3 airline paint with a model that's actually a C-47 - not exactly right, but it gives airliner fans something to fly out of the box.

Note also that I'm not saying that a feature should be banned or removed. I'm saying an extra element - not quite a historical one - might be included, at no particular cost to anyone. What I'm suggesting is an addition, not a subtraction. If you want to sell historically correct airplanes and people want to fly them, that's fine with me.

An Allied paint, even if it's the wrong variant, might appeal to a different user base and wouldn't interfere with the core group of buyers.

Instead of a contradiction, let's say it's an evolving viewpoint.

And why don't we agree to leave it at that?

Again, wishing you all success!

[huub vink]

Guys this is the announcement of a (very nice) model under development. I don't know why, but it seems it has ended up in a discussion about historical markings.

As I personally think enough has been said on this topic, I would like to ask you to leave this topic and just focus on the model itself and the joy flying it might bring.

Thank you in advance for taking the content of this post in consideration.

Huub

[Bjoern]

Bjoern : some stores dont have that functionality. and we're selling it on our site so we needed ( see below on our newer fix idea ) to have a geo-locked area. I can only ask if you emptied your cache before trying again. We tried to ban ::FFFF:x.x.x.x based IP ranges but we're on a shared server and are unable to modify a .conf to allow that.

My caches is emptied whenever I close Firefox.

However we have a newer fix idea taken from our competitors!

After finding out what other people have done we're thinking of making the fantasy tail insignias the default installation... and have installers for the swastikas in the texture folder. These installers will have a a strongly worded introduction with a " I dont agree with this " button that closes the installation. Obviously there will be an installer if you so wish to go back. This puts the responsibility completely on the shoulders of the people who will install the insignias.

Easy, clean and simple. I like that.

[Alan_A]

Easy, clean and simple. I like that.

Agree completely.

And I agree with Huub, too - so on that topic, over and out!

[YoYo]

Yoyo: "In Poland, public display of Nazi symbols, including the Nazi swastika, is a criminal offence punishable by up to eight years in jail. " just quoting one of the sites we went through. Possibly could get rid of the ban on poland but the 119580 line .htaccess file would be a bear to find just the polish ones. But see below.

No! You add only the part in this law, I added before the second:

Article 256(...)
§ 3. The perpetrator of a prohibited act specified in § 2 does not commit a crime, if
that he committed this act as part of artistic and educational activities,
collectable or scientific.
(...)

So it means "no" for symbols for popularization of nazi systems but it means You can use for historical reasons, artistic (art), educations ect.
No any problems to see (and use swastika) in Poland for papers, books, photos, models (3D and plastics), movies, theaters ect.
Please read whole sentence not only the one. The crime is if You use swastika in our country ONLY if You will glorify this system.
Please unblock this page.

[YoYo]

Yoyo: "In Poland, public display of Nazi symbols, including the Nazi swastika, is a criminal offence punishable by up to eight years in jail. " just quoting one of the sites we went through. Possibly could get rid of the ban on poland but the 119580 line .htaccess file would be a bear to find just the polish ones. But see below.

No!
You added the part in this law only, I added before the second for You (more precisely):

Article 256(...)
§ 3. The perpetrator of a prohibited act specified in § 2 does not commit a crime, if
that he committed this act as part of artistic and educational activities,
collectable or scientific.
(...)

So it means "no" for symbols for popularization of nazi systems but it means You can use for historical reasons, artistic (art), educations ect.
No any problems to see (and use swastika) in Poland for newspapers, books, photos, models (3D and plastics kit), movies, theaters, games ect.
Please read whole sentence not only the one. The crime is if You use swastika in our country ONLY if You will glorify this system.
Good example for You its a Wolfenstein 2 The new Colossus (the prove: https://youtu.be/ghUdXKXiGO8?t=760 PL version of this game), as You see in Germany (right picture) symbols are baned in Poland You can see it:



So please unblock this page.

[huub vink]

Yoyo like I said a few posts earlier, I don't think people do justice to the model by focusing only on one single tail marking.

Beside that I must confess that I'm not particular interested in Polish legislation on this topic. Aeroplane Heaven has a pretty nice web-site on which you can click a link to get in contact with them. Beside that, I think in the last post from Pilto von Pilto's last post already showed that the problem is solved.

Thanks you for taking my previous posts in consideration.

For those (like me) who want to know more about the Heinkel He111 and the differences between the P (covered in this release) and H version, I found this beautiful website dedicated to this aircraft: https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=99#specs

Cheers,
Huub

[IanP]

The P v H discussion is one where, although I want this model, the period which I tend to model airfields for was dominated by the He111H according to all the sources I have which don't just say "He111".

This will be one of the occasions many where the historical accuracy takes second place to "what's available".

Ian P.