Tokyo 1945 City Scenery Anywhere?

**Devildog73** · July 29th, 2018, 05:14

Does anyone know of CFS2 or compatible 1945 Tokyo scenery?

It would be nice for me to NOT have to build it building by building in MB.

From aerial photos circa preparation for invasion it did not look that big at the time, "relatively speaking".....

**No Dice** · July 29th, 2018, 06:55

Here is the mesh for all of Japan...Not sure about any cities though...

http://flightinfo.jp/jtms/

Screen shots:

http://flightinfo.jp/jtms/sscfs2/sscfs2.html

***Rami*** · July 29th, 2018, 07:17

Devildog73,

I think you will have to build this one, buddy.

**No Dice** · July 29th, 2018, 10:21

Lee,

Looks as if Rami is correct....as always..

I looked everywhere that I could think of...No city scenery for Tokyo.

**Devildog73** · July 29th, 2018, 13:16

I'm only going to build the "downtown" area near the docks.

I have UncleTgt's darker textures installed, EXCEPT for the cities and towns so I have the stock textures for those all over Japan showing nicely.

Japan is missing roads and railroad lines too in the stock install.

WHAT WAS M$ thinking? A combat flight simulator in the Pacific against Japanese forces and they basically left Japan out...

Good thing we have Chris and Xavier or Japan would be a BIG tree farm.

**bearcat241** · July 29th, 2018, 23:01

Yeah, the stock CFS2 design stops in mid '44, long before the commencement of any major US effort against the four main islands of Japan.

Guess M$ was betting on the enthusiasm and creativity of the community to take it all the way to the end.

**Fibber** · July 30th, 2018, 06:10

....there are some sceneries of Tokyo here: https://library.avsim.net/search.php...nMode=0&Page=2

Most appear to be post war but there are some that appear to be before the real development of Handea.
CalClassics has one but it also is listed as 1962.
Maybe some of these at the avsim site could be a starting point

**No Dice** · July 30th, 2018, 06:26

Lee,

If it comes down to building your own, Get wolfi's CFS2 lib pack 6 and 7. In 7 he has a clump of small city houses and small city asian houses,
Each clump includes 8 or 10 houses with trees, You just rotate and place them...you will have a nice layout before you can open your second beer.

**Shadow Wolf 07** · July 30th, 2018, 08:37

By mid 45, wasn't most of Tokyo burned out? Per Wikipedia: The Operation Meetinghouse firebombing of Tokyo on the night of 9 March 1945 was the single deadliest air raid of World War II, greater than Dresden, Hamburg, Hiroshima, or Nagasaki as single events.

Other than the docks and concrete buildings, there should be only smoldering rubble??

***Rami*** · July 30th, 2018, 08:49

Greg,

That’s what TheB24Guy’s damaged objects are for.

**Fibber** · July 30th, 2018, 17:22

...in case you have to build, here are some 1945 pics for you.
https://www.citylab.com/design/2014/...ked-1945/8593/

**Devildog73** · July 31st, 2018, 13:19

Originally Posted by No Dice

Lee,

If it comes down to building your own, Get wolfi's CFS2 lib pack 6 and 7. In 7 he has a clump of small city houses and small city asian houses,
Each clump includes 8 or 10 houses with trees, You just rotate and place them...you will have a nice layout before you can open your second beer.

Thanks Kevin,
I have them and use them.

Tokyo is going to be a bit of a challenge.
This is after Major General Curtis LeMay, Commander of USAAF 21st Bomber Command, fire bombed Tokyo in March, 1945.
(Operation Meetinghouse). Most of eastern Tokyo was reduced to ashes.
Of the probable 100,000 Japanese killed, most were civilians. Those who did not die in the fire were suffocated because the fire was so intense it consumed all of the oxygen for miles around it.
So, I am going to use a lot of damaged buildings as well as I build eastern Tokyo.

Photo copied from: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Tokyo_kushu_1945-4.jpg

**Devildog73** · July 31st, 2018, 13:31

Originally Posted by Fibber

...in case you have to build, here are some 1945 pics for you.
https://www.citylab.com/design/2014/...ked-1945/8593/

Yeah, war truly is hell on earth.

If we had had to ground invade Japan, it would have probably been much, much worse carnage on both sides. As mentioned in the article, the Japanese would have had to confront their own war crimes in China, the Philippines, Hawaii, etc., should these photos have been released in Japan earlier than the 1960s and beyond.

One should not lose sight of just whom it was that started that war in the Pacific and how many civilians they murdered with swords, bayonets, and firearms as well as bombs.

**Ravenna** · July 31st, 2018, 14:51

When it comes to flattened cities and towns I have often thought that an area of damaged and destroyed buildings looks a bit "cleaned up". What is missing is a small pile or set of of rubble infrastructure which can be placeable in MB. Ruined buildings and clear streets looks a bit post war. As well as Tokyo this would also come in handy for other theatres.

**Devildog73** · August 1st, 2018, 03:01

Originally Posted by Ravenna

When it comes to flattened cities and towns I have often thought that an area of damaged and destroyed buildings looks a bit "cleaned up". What is missing is a small pile or set of of rubble infrastructure which can be placeable in MB. Ruined buildings and clear streets looks a bit post war. As well as Tokyo this would also come in handy for other theatres.

Yes, Ravenna, those were my thoughts as well.

I am putting together something I think will work and will have some of the scenery guys tweak them when finished for uploading.

Lee

**Devildog73** · August 2nd, 2018, 07:31

Okay,

Here is a bit of work on Tokyo post fire bombing.
I may switch to UncleTgt's darker textures to subdue the "normal" brightness.

DD

**No Dice** · August 2nd, 2018, 07:53

Great start Lee

**miamieagle** · August 9th, 2018, 15:14

Thank God we Never had to invade to Japan. We would not be speaking about the ETO as much and the World would have been different from the one know now. Japan would have been devastated and would have lost thousands of more men.Russia have invaded Northern Japan and God knows what other adverse action would have happen. It save millions of Japanese and our economical recovery would taken longer.

**Devildog73** · August 12th, 2018, 19:03

Well guys,

Here are the screenies of my Tokyo July 1945.

**msfossey** · August 13th, 2018, 20:24

Looks a little spooky. It is a good representation of the aftermath from the fire bombings Tokyo experienced. Great job Devildog73.

msfossey

**Ravenna** · August 16th, 2018, 15:44

DD, that looks very good. You've really captured the look.

**Devildog73** · August 19th, 2018, 04:15

Originally Posted by msfossey

Looks a little spooky. It is a good representation of the aftermath from the fire bombings Tokyo experienced. Great job Devildog73.

msfossey

Yes, when flying over Japanese airbases enroute to Tokyo, one sees buildings, aircraft and vehicles.
When approaching Tokyo from afar, one sees a few buildings popping up and as one gets closer and the textures begin to show, and the spacing is so far apart, it does become a bit spooky.
When the missions are finished the player will be flying in at 500 feet altitude. THAT is when it really gets the reality of what it looked like to Allied pilots flying over.
No AA fire coming up from the main Japanese city after encountering it over outlying airfields.
I'm currently working in MB to build up the areas surrounding the burned part of the city with normal buildings.
Once done, I will send them to Rami and/or KDriver to convert to GSL scenery so frame rates don't suffer. (I'm still learning and not there yet).