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    Milviz Beaver - Updated FDE!

    All,

    I know there have been a few discussions here about the flight dynamics of the MV Beaver. I know that I've been one of the folks who was a little critical of certain aspects of it, particularly elevator effectiveness / tail behavior on the ground. I'm pleased to say MV has heard us, and there is a replacement FDE available on the MV Beaver support forum.

    As far as I'm concerned, she's now the perfect flight sim bush plane. This is just what I have been hoping for... not only does her behavior match what you see when you watch real Beavers take off and wheel land, but it FEELS right. I put up a quick video demo (I felt I kind of had to, after being critical of this in my first video). But I encourage anyone who likes this plane to try out the new FDE!

    https://youtu.be/7_sW8dF1vRE
    Last edited by stearmandriver; May 24th, 2018 at 19:07.

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    I might comment:

    I did the original FDE for the Beaver and have done in real life maybe 2000 takeoff's and landings as one as PIC?

    What could I possibly have known?

    T

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    That comes a bit as a surprise to me. I didn't feel there was anything wrong with it, quite the contrary. Most of my flying is bush flying and the Beaver has become a favourite for that.


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    Tom,

    I have a great deal of respect for your work on the FDE, and your experience. I have no wish to sound argumentative. But if I remember right, you're the one who told me tail behavior on takeoff in the sim was the result of the difficulty modeling propwash. Maybe it was someone else, but that came from MV.

    It's also obvious to anyone who watches a Beaver take off - no experience required - that the tail comes up easily, instead of wallowing up at 55mph. You can't simply tell us we're all seeing things ;-).

    I really do appreciate your work on the model, and MV being responsive to customer input. Thank you!

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    Mark,

    From what I can tell, all that was adjusted was elevator effectiveness on takeoff and wheel landings. She flies the same in every other way, and I agree - that's a good thing.

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    Thanks for the clarification. I'll give it a try over the weekend!


    Cheers,
    Mark
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    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x0skkam7xu8zz8r/DFwnonB1nH

    Solomon 1943 V2 Open beta download: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/download...on-1943-V2.zip
    Solomon 1943 V2 update 2013-02-05 download: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/download...2013-02-05.zip


    Current Project: DHC-4 / C-7a Caribou by Tailored Radials
    Dev-Gallery at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qjdtcoxeg...bAG-2V4Ja?dl=0

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    Am I correct?
    This FDE update is only for the "DHC-2 Beaver Milviz" folder. (not for Ski, Tundra, Stol etc)

    Dieter
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    Dieter, partially correct. BASE, STOL and CROPDUSTER are the folders. Any folder with MilvizDHC2_Base.AIR. The others should follow soon.
    Regards, Tom Stovall KRDD


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    Definitely enjoying these tweaks to the FDE!
    Your English is better than my French, German, Italian, Spanish.... so no worries my friends!


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    Quote Originally Posted by stovall View Post
    Dieter, partially correct. BASE, STOL and CROPDUSTER are the folders. Any folder with MilvizDHC2_Base.AIR. The others should follow soon.
    Installing the new FDE into the base model will also update the STOL model? The STOL model is the only wheeled version I use.
    Thanks to Stearmandriver for the news of this update, I would not have known about it, I would have thought that Milviz would have sent out an e-mail notice to Beaver owners that the update was available for download.
    And thanks to Milviz for listening to their customers.

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    Why does MV make it so difficult to find this forum? I own this model, yet when I sign into the MV forums, I do NOT see the DH-2 listed under Support forums. Why? NC

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    Where is the file located? Would like to download.

    Thanks,

    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by THibben View Post
    Where is the file located? Would like to download.

    Thanks,

    Tom
    Yep, that's what I am asking as well. I went to watch that video. In the comments below the video, it references the support forum for the DH-2, but am not seeing that forum listed on the MV forums site. NC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Chief View Post
    Yep, that's what I am asking as well. I went to watch that video. In the comments below the video, it references the support forum for the DH-2, but am not seeing that forum listed on the MV forums site. NC
    I wonder if we just have to re-download the whole file?

    Tom

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    Link to the FDE thread: https://milviz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=137&t=9444

    Link to the support forums log-in: https://milviz.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=150

    HTH,

    Greg
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    Quote Originally Posted by THibben View Post
    I wonder if we just have to re-download the whole file?

    Tom

    I thought the MVAMS was supposed to do auto updates for models purchased? NC

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    Quote Originally Posted by lownslo View Post
    Link to the FDE thread: https://milviz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=137&t=9444

    Link to the support forums log-in: https://milviz.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=150

    HTH,

    Greg

    I get a message popup that says I am not authorized. WTF? NC

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    Quote Originally Posted by THibben View Post
    Where is the file located? Would like to download.

    Thanks,

    Tom
    The correct path to the new FDE is.....Milviz.com\ forums\support forums\DHC-2Beaver forum\alternative FDE.
    You must be logged in to get beyond "FORUMS"
    I also could not find it until I realized you must be logged in.

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    Guys,

    My impression is that this is kind of an experimental revision to the FDE, released in a thread on the support forum to see what people think. It's not yet an official update, which is why it's not coming via MVAMS (yet; sounds like it probably will eventually.)

    MV requires authorization to access the support forum. If I remember right, when you open MVAMS, there's an email address at the bottom of the splash screen you have to email with proof of purchase to get access to the support forum, as an additional anti piracy measure. Kind of a pain, but you only have to do it once, and you can't blame developers for wanting to safeguard their work.

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    Chief when you buy a new product from milviz you should contact oisin at milviz and register the product.He will then include you on that products forum.
    This FDE has not gone through MVAMS because it is not a new FDE but an adjusted FDE alternative to the existing one for those that found the existing one unsatisfactory.
    I did not experience this and have not bothered installing the alternative one.
    Cheers Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedy70 View Post
    Chief when you buy a new product from milviz you should contact oisin at milviz and register the product.He will then include you on that products forum.
    This FDE has not gone through MVAMS because it is not a new FDE but an adjusted FDE alternative to the existing one for those that found the existing one unsatisfactory.
    I did not experience this and have not bothered installing the alternative one.
    Cheers Chris
    Chris, thanks for the explanation! NC

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    Milviz will not push out experimental 'fixes' until they have been fully vetted. It would not be fair to customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n4gix View Post
    Milviz will not push out experimental 'fixes' until they have been fully vetted. It would not be fair to customers.
    Thank you!

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    I noted the mod via the MV Forums on a visit there but have not tried it.

    I would like to make a general observation about some so called mods in general with respect to controls and their responsiveness or not which is the result of some very good advice given by A2A (along with a video as proof of concept) that a lot of so called control issues users and customers experience, actually go back to the control sensitivity settings being used by them and most in FSX. In summary they recommend the sensitivity sliders for all the controls to full right and the null zones back to zero or nil. You can see the difference in the videos in the way the control surfaces move and respond to stick inputs.

    Here is the link: http://a2asimulations.com/forum/view...p?f=77&t=47744

    My only observation is this - the advice is correct if the model, air file etc are well done (most of them are) and all my control issues or response problems have disappeared. This is not to say that some models may need a little tweak but for a variety of types, tail draggers, tricycle undercarriage, one or several engines, big and or heavy I now find thanks to A2A and this much unknown aspect of tuning the sim, I have few if any problems at all.

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    Not sure what's all changed in the alternate FDE, but after installing it I crashed during take-off.

    Guess I over-compensated with right rudder. Third attempt was finally successful.

    2 times a charm, I guess

    Enjoying this FDE.
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