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    Squeaking Brakes

    Hi all
    Have recently moved to P3D V4.2 and for the most part everything works. I have however found that the "squeaking brakes" which has worked so well now no longer functions. I believe there is a gauge change required for P3D V4 but my mind has gone blank and I can't remember which gauge or what editing. It does work in the Jahn C-47 but I can't recall what I did to make it so. Does not work in the D-18s by Mr. Shupe although I have changed nothing and it did previously.
    Thanks in advance.
    Warren

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    This SOH thread should be of help to you. There is a download for the needed gauge for P3D V 4 and instructions how to make the necessary changes to your panel.cfg.

    http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...ased?p=1090009
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    Quote Originally Posted by aspen31 View Post
    Hi all
    Have recently moved to P3D V4.2 and for the most part everything works. I have however found that the "squeaking brakes" which has worked so well now no longer functions. I believe there is a gauge change required for P3D V4 but my mind has gone blank and I can't remember which gauge or what editing. It does work in the Jahn C-47 but I can't recall what I did to make it so. Does not work in the D-18s by Mr. Shupe although I have changed nothing and it did previously.
    Thanks in advance.
    Warren
    Hi Warren,

    Since you are using a few of my gauges now ...LoL, maybe you are not aware of my new GroundHandling package (V6, file rcbgh-60.zip here in the P3D-section of the library).
    Which includes "squeaking brakes" , and a lot more ...

    Cheers, Rob

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    Hi Rob
    I did not know about a P3D V4 version of this gauge or I simply forgot about it. Still playing to make the early, simple "squeaking brakes" gauge to work without any luck yet. I didn't find your gauge here at SOH but on another site. I downloaded it and will install if I can't figure this one out. Your gauge does a lot for a comparatively small airplane like a Beech 18 but in this case "overkill" may be thew workable answer.
    Thanks
    Warren

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    Hi all
    So I downloaded the 64 bit gauge, renamed it to dsd_xml_sound3 (as described in my Beech D-18 panel .cfg) and placed it in the the gauge folder after deleting the earlier gauge of the same name and still no squeaking brakes. I'm thinking I must be missing a step but not sure what it is.
    Help or suggestions appreciated. This "squeaking brake" brake stuff once was easy.
    Warren

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspen31 View Post
    Hi all
    So I downloaded the 64 bit gauge, renamed it to dsd_xml_sound3 (as described in my Beech D-18 panel .cfg) and placed it in the the gauge folder after deleting the earlier gauge of the same name and still no squeaking brakes. I'm thinking I must be missing a step but not sure what it is.
    Help or suggestions appreciated. This "squeaking brake" brake stuff once was easy.
    Warren
    Look into the panel.cfg.

    Does the panel def. looks like:
    gauge**=dsd_xml_sound3!dsd_xml_sound3, ....etc ??

    If so, this def. refers to old versions of the XMLsound gauge, and you should change it into:
    gauge**=dsd_xml_sound3!Sound, ....etc

    Since you need to change the panel.cfg anyway, I advise you not to rename the 64-bit gauge to the old 32-bit XMLsound file name, to avoid mixup in future between these two versions ...

    Cheers, Rob

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    Hi Rob
    This what the pertinent lines look like in my Beech 18 panel .cfg. They exist in both the window # list and the VC list. I believe that's how the panel came from Mr Shupe but I'm not absolutely positive.
    I will revert to the original gauge naming but currently the dsd_xml_sound3, should be point at the 64 bit gauge which I renamed in the gauge file. In any case I'll fix the names and start again as soon as I am able.
    Thanks
    Warren

    gauge64=squeaking brakes!BrakeSound, 0,0
    gauge65=squeaking brakes_Sound!dsd_xml_sound3, 0,0,,,./sound/squeaking brakes/Sound.ini

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspen31 View Post
    Hi Rob
    This what the pertinent lines look like in my Beech 18 panel .cfg. They exist in both the window # list and the VC list. I believe that's how the panel came from Mr Shupe but I'm not absolutely positive.
    I will revert to the original gauge naming but currently the dsd_xml_sound3, should be point at the 64 bit gauge which I renamed in the gauge file. In any case I'll fix the names and start again as soon as I am able.
    Thanks
    Warren

    gauge64=squeaking brakes!BrakeSound, 0,0
    gauge65=squeaking brakes_Sound!dsd_xml_sound3, 0,0,,,./sound/squeaking brakes/Sound.ini
    Meaning that ....._Sound!dsd_xml_sound3, 0,0 .....is the problem.
    Should be ....._Sound!Sound, 0,0 .....(if you still want to rename the gauge).

    Obviously, the XMLsound version included with the Beech aircraft (renamed to "squeaking brakes.gau" is a very old version, in which the internal gauge name was different).

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    Hi Rob
    Thanks very much - again! I won't be able to play much until tomorrow but I'll see how it goes. I plan to use the ground handling gauge in my DC-8 and BAC-1-11 aircraft. They are the only two large airplanes I have - it will be a good spot,
    Take care
    WH

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    Hi again
    I edited the vc panel .cfg in the Beech 18 as shown below and still no brake sound. I may start again later but so far no luck.
    Thanks again Rob for the assistance so far.
    Warren

    gauge64=squeaking brakes!BrakeSound, 0,0
    gauge65=squeaking brakes_Sound!Sound,dsd_xml_sound3, 0,0,,,./sound/squeaking brakes/Sound.ini

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspen31 View Post
    Hi again
    I edited the vc panel .cfg in the Beech 18 as shown below and still no brake sound. I may start again later but so far no luck.
    Thanks again Rob for the assistance so far.
    Warren

    gauge64=squeaking brakes!BrakeSound, 0,0
    gauge65=squeaking brakes_Sound!Sound,dsd_xml_sound3, 0,0,,,./sound/squeaking brakes/Sound.ini
    I don't know how much help this will be, but it might! I will display my squeaky brake gauge lines from the [Vcockpit02] of one of my aircraft. I am using FSX and Not P3D so mine is the older sound gauge. I will assume you have the new gauge in your Gauges folder and the Squeaky Brakes folder with the proper .wav and Sound.ini in your Sound folder.

    gauge32=squeaking brakes!BrakeSound, 0,0,20,20
    gauge33=squeaking brakes_Sound!dsd_xml_sound3, 0,0,20,18,./sound/squeaking brakes/Sound.ini
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    Hi
    Your information looks exactly like my /cfg info before I attempted any editing. Everything worked fine in P3D V3.4 but not in P3D V4 because of the gauge difference and yes I have the new gauge installed. The brake sound works fine after the fix in the Jahn C-47 but so far nothing in Mr Shupe's Beech 18. I'll keep working on it (time permitting) and see what I can accomplish.
    Thanks for the help.
    Warren

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspen31 View Post
    Hi again
    I edited the vc panel .cfg in the Beech 18 as shown below and still no brake sound. I may start again later but so far no luck.
    Thanks again Rob for the assistance so far.
    Warren

    gauge64=squeaking brakes!BrakeSound, 0,0
    gauge65=squeaking brakes_Sound!Sound,dsd_xml_sound3, 0,0,,,./sound/squeaking brakes/Sound.ini
    See above
    Rob

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    Hi Rob
    I'm not sure I understand. It appears that the gauge definition is crossed out after sound with nothing to replace it and no reference to the new 64 bit gauge. Is that correct?
    Thanks
    Warren

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    Hi Rob
    I think I am missing something. I edited the Beech VCpanel .cfg but no brake sound.
    Here's what I currently have but I don't think it's correct - perhaps obviously since it still doesn't work

    gauge64=squeaking brakes!BrakeSound, 0,0
    gauge65=squeaking brakes_Sound!Sound, 0,0,,,./sound/squeaking brakes/Sound.ini

    Thanks for your patience. Seems I know much more about old jets than editing.
    Warren

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    Just to throw a little more gasoline on the fire......I found another download for the P3D Version 4 sound gauge/XML, doohickey. This one also has a new Sound.ini with it and a big readme on how to use it. Might be worth a shot.

    https://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/re...or-p3d-v4.199/
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    Another option
    Thanks. I look back on the days of FS2004 when this stuff was mostly easy.
    No luck yet but I'll clear my head and try again.
    Take care
    Warren

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspen31 View Post
    Hi Rob
    I think I am missing something. I edited the Beech VCpanel .cfg but no brake sound.
    Here's what I currently have but I don't think it's correct - perhaps obviously since it still doesn't work

    gauge64=squeaking brakes!BrakeSound, 0,0
    gauge65=squeaking brakes_Sound!Sound, 0,0,,,./sound/squeaking brakes/Sound.ini

    Thanks for your patience. Seems I know much more about old jets than editing.
    Warren
    This is correct.
    That is: assuming you have renamed dsd_p3d_xml_sound_x64.dll to squeaking brakes_Sound.dll (replacing the old gauge).

    If that still doesn't :
    Maybe there's a pathname problem (the search order in P3Dv4 has changed), but I can't tell without knowing the location of the wav files and contents of Sound.ini.

    But instead of guessing what might be wrong:
    Since you have the GPWSv5 working, I'll mail you a small xml file and wav file that you can add to the GPWS5 folder.
    That's a lot faster.
    Besides, that gauge will work better.
    I'm pretty sure that if you would park your Beech aircraft on a moving surface (like an aircraft carrier) with the brakes set, you will continuously hear the brakes squeaking ...LoL

    Rob

    PS. Mail sent ....
    Last edited by rcbarend; February 14th, 2018 at 15:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrZippy View Post
    I don't know how much help this will be, but it might! I will display my squeaky brake gauge lines from the [Vcockpit02] of one of my aircraft. I am using FSX and Not P3D so mine is the older sound gauge. I will assume you have the new gauge in your Gauges folder and the Squeaky Brakes folder with the proper .wav and Sound.ini in your Sound folder.

    gauge32=squeaking brakes!BrakeSound, 0,0,20,20
    gauge33=squeaking brakes_Sound!dsd_xml_sound3, 0,0,20,18,./sound/squeaking brakes/Sound.ini
    Hi Charlie,

    For your information, if you ever stumble onto it:
    Somewhere in the continuous development of the XMLsound gauge, Doug changed the internal gauge reference.
    Probably because a whole lot of other stuff and options where added.

    You can rename any version of the .gau/.dll to whatever name you like; eg XMLsound.
    But the gauge definition has changed:

    - Old versions (like you referenced) use:
    gauge** = XMLsound!dsd_xml_sound3, ......
    - The latest FSX (32bit) and P3dv4 (64bit) version use:
    gauge** = XMLsound!Sound, ......

    So the panel.cfg definition must match the version of the XMLsound gauge ...

    Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcbarend View Post
    Hi Charlie,

    For your information, if you ever stumble onto it:
    Somewhere in the continuous development of the XMLsound gauge, Doug changed the internal gauge reference.
    Probably because a whole lot of other stuff and options where added.

    You can rename any version of the .gau/.dll to whatever name you like; eg XMLsound.
    But the gauge definition has changed:

    - Old versions (like you referenced) use:
    gauge** = XMLsound!dsd_xml_sound3, ......
    - The latest FSX (32bit) and P3dv4 (64bit) version use:
    gauge** = XMLsound!Sound, ......

    So the panel.cfg definition must match the version of the XMLsound gauge ...

    Rob
    Thanks Rob! I was slowly coming around to that fact as I continued researching the Sound.gau vs Sound_XML.dll
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    Where does one find these squeaking brake effects?

    LouP

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    Hello,

    The squeaking brakes gauge supplied by LM with the JF_L049 uses the 32bit version of xml_sound !!!!

    To fix it, just replace in the gauge folder "squeaking brakes_Sound.gau" which is the 32 bits version with "dsd_p3d_xml_sound_x64.dll" and then rename it "squeaking brakes_Sound.dll"
    Take care that, according to several sources, NOW the gauge folder as priority over panel defined gauge !
    It's why you need to update the gauge binary which is INSIDE the gauge folder...

    To use it, you need TWO gaugexx= (code copied from the JF_1049 panel - supplied with Prepar3D V4)

    Code:
    gauge07=squeaking brakes!BrakeSound,  0,0,20,20
    gauge08=squeaking brakes_Sound!Sound,  0,0,20,20,./sound/squeaking brakes/Sound.ini
    Ensure that you have exactly that 2 lines !

    Gérard

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    Hi Gerard
    I believe I did everything you suggested and still no brake sound on the Beech 18. My friend Rob made a gauge available to me as part of his GPWS add-on and I have it working. I'm mystified as to why your suggestion would not work but perhaps my editing skills are insufficient. In any case thanks for the help so far.
    Warren

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