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I'm just going sit here on the fence too until this is sorted out. I hate to waste money on a model that eats FPS when there are plenty of very good ones that don't...no matter how 'awesome' it is
I'm just going sit here on the fence too until this is sorted out. I hate to waste money on a model that eats FPS when there are plenty of very good ones that don't...no matter how 'awesome' it is
No problem with fps here and my system is quite dated now
Windows 8.1 64 bit
P3D v3.4
P3D v4.5
FSX-SE
X-Plane 11
I can understand caution and I'm not arguing with those that choose to exercise it, but in this case, if anyone really wants this Otter now - I can see no good reason to hold back.
Only one person is reporting any problem with frame rates, while several with older systems have reported no noticeable hit at all. This means that the airplane is exceptionally good at frame rates, if older systems run it fine - there is nothing built into it that will hit your system hard. There may be some quirk that a few people come across, and one of those people could be you, although the odds are greatly against that.
If there's some bottleneck, Milviz will fix that in the first service pack. And if worst comes to worst, you could get a refund, but in reality, that's so unlikely it's no reason to deny yourself an airplane you want now, because that's always true.
If you're just on the fence about wanting it, that's another thing, and I'd hold back until I was sure before I spent the money for sure!
But I wouldn't worry too much about frame rates unless lots of people are saying they are dicey - any airplane can have a weird problem with any system at any time. Everyone could be raving about the fantastic frame rates and you could get smacked. That's life.
Just my opinion on this, your bucks are certainly yours.
Dutch
PS. I had no role in the development of the Milviz Otter.
It isnt true, no ANY fps hit. The quality of this is near the same like default aircraft. If someone has a problem its a his hardware or...the scenery.Originally Posted by heywooood
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You're welcome! This is definitely my kind of aircraft, I already have the Beaver... sorry if I confused you...
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Well, I think it is a fine product. So I would like to say that is a job well done to all those at Milviz who produced this one. Really spoilt now for de Havilland STOL aeroplanes with the Beaver and the Otter.
It worked as advertised and no immediate bugs that I can see. I have a low end system and it coped quite well with this aircraft and model now and then it takes a few secs to catch up with texture reloads but that is my system not the model and nothing that causes me any concern. I have had all the various renditions of the Otter over the years and tweaked a few to try and make them realistic, well this one requires no tweaks as far as I am concerned and behaved exactly as I would expect a large single engine STOL aeroplane to work. Stable in all facets of flight. I like the textures and it is very faithful to an aircraft of its time and period. I also think they did a good job on the sound and you get that low end rumble characteristic of this type of engine.
Wow, yes the sounds are exceptional. Really surprised me how good they were.
Which exactly may have been that, BF ?....
To my knowledge, and other than its older Beaver cousin, there has been only *one* rendition of the DHC-3 Otter radial engine version for FSX. Developed by Virtual Col and, pardon me for saying so, not exactly in the quality a long overlooked venerable workhorse like the Otter deserves. The only (very) decent DHC-3 Otter rendition for FS9 was a freeware model produced by Eugene Heyart. But it depicted the 1000 hp PZL engine version and a turbo Otter was also released. Before that, i.e. FS95/98, FS2K, FS2K2 we had the wonderful true DHC-3 radial renditions done by Fred Banting and Steven Grant to our disposal. It was because of these superb creations that i became a real Otter fan ( i have never even seen or heared a real DHC-3... )
As far as payware is concerned, apart from Virtual Col i actually can't think of any commercial developer ever releasing a DHC-3 Otter package for any MSFS version. We had to wait for Oktober this year for that to happen !
Finally, it's been a very good year for the Otter conglomeration ! ( and i'm not talking about the fact that yourstruly was working on a DHC-3 Otter himself, now resting in peace in the Max dungeons, obviously.. http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...=1#post1062494 )
Personally i think that's an understatement, FB. I believe it is one of the best radial engine soundsuites ever !I also think they did a good job on the sound and you get that low end rumble characteristic of this type of engine.
Cheers,
Jan
I have one problem with my installation. My control hardware is all Precision Flight Controls. I have the control console, rudder pedals and 737 yoke. The problem I have is with the visual throttle quadrant. The throttle doesn't move when I move it on the PFC quadrant. The engine accelerates as it should but the throttle visually stays fixed. Both the mixture and the RPM work fine.
This have never happened on any other aircraft I have checked using both the PFC and USB settings.
Tom
Tom,
With the Otter, what I am seeing is, the throttle lever on my HOTAS must be mapped to "THROTTLE" axis, not "THROTTLE1" axis for the VC lever to work. Same with pitch lever, "PROPPITCH" not "PROPITCH1". I use FSUIPC and have confirmed this behavior.
Hope this helps.
Hi Henry,
I checked my settings and I have "throttle" selected but for what ever reason it does not show it moving. It works and the RPM changes etc. but no visual movement.
On another subject. The manual shows a walk around exterior inspection. Do you know how to get into that?
Thanks for your help.
Tom
A poster over at AVSIM had the same behavior with the VC power lever. He created an FSUIPC profile and assigned "THROTTLE" to get the lever to visually move. In my setup, I do have a profile so that is probably why mine is moving as expected.
Regards the exterior inspection, all I am seeing is a diagram in the POH...no mention of pre-defined views or procedures in the sim.
Okay, Thanks. I am not sure what a profile is but I will look into it.
Tom
[QUOTE=Javis;1113671]Which exactly may have been that, BF ?.... I became a real Otter fan ( i have never even seen or heard a real DHC-3... )[QUOTE]
Jan um well I cannot say every Otter ever made for flight sim, though there was as FS9 version that I ported across into FSX but it was hopeless. AS for FSX there was the Virtual Col version which a search of the Library here shows I spent a great deal of time attempting to get it to behave like a real Otter should or would, close but lots of issues with textures etc but that said it was not that bad. Then came the AH/JF version - Lots of eye candy but the air. file and probably the mdl. files are a problem as there is build in issues with excessive acceleration in flight, overspeed and somehow mach buffet when you get to 125 kts and it is a frames/fps hog despite having many many nice points it was not as far as I am concerned authentic. I have seen and heard real Otters and have personally flown the Beaver in the RW. I have also spent many thousand of hours in noisy box fuselage STOL aeroplanes at about 105 knots, they are all good climbers (not fast but great angle and ROC intially to get you out of tight spot with ease, with steep nose down attitude on approach with full flap and marvellous low speed control right to the stall. Could not achieve this with the VirtualCol or the AH versions. So I tested this one, set up power and attitude for a 65 knot approach and it held it flawlessly all the way down from 3000ft to touchdown exactly as I would expect it to do. For that alone it gets a big tick. Likewise 105 knots is an ambitious cruise speed but near enough.
Some have said the Otter is like a truck, well maybe no it is just a classic STOL aeroplane, they are all like this very stable, slow and compared to even a Cessna, they have quite pedestrian performance and that's the charm of STOL aeroplanes and STOL flying, that is what they were built to do, big loads short fields. The Otter is a very large aeroplane next to a Beaver with nearly twice the volumetric and weight carrying capacity but with a big box fuselage and a fat STOL wing profile. On top of that it has built in drag from struts wheels and or floats not to mention its general shape. If you ever get the chance to see one you will be impressed how big these are, especially if they are on floats. Of course its successor with 2 PT6's is charming and also great fun but that has been done well already.
Then of course last but now there is the current MILVIZ rendition and it is in my humble opinion an authentic rendition and a lot of time and trouble went into the texturing etc which is superb. So that's my salad bar of Otters. I find them to be an aeroplane that grows on you, they are ruggedly styled but you want to have fun and use them as they were used, try flying them to their STOL parameters into tight strips with big loads, mountain side sloping runways. The only thing I can say is that finally, along with the Beaver, we have STOL aeroplanes that fly and perform like STOL aeroplanes, proper STOL flight has been sadly neglected in the real world and the sim world because it is a specialty operating environment but it teaches you precise speed/attitude control power/performance control, my kind of flying (that and radial engined aeroplanes in general) and now I can really explore this side of the simulation environment properly.
Point taken about the sound it is very very good. I can almost feel that engine rumbling along.
Well I am now a very happy camper, the MILVIZ Beaver and Otter, Milton Schupes Dash 7 and the Aerosoft Twin Otter, my cup runneth over with STOL aeroplanes built by de Havilland Canada.
Anyhow for those around if you want to really go bush flying with a model that performs like a STOL aeroplane should but looks great, has an appropriate vintage and modern VC and amazing sound package, then this is it, FULL STOP.
Can anyone comment on how she wheel lands?
No Screenshots from users?
Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken.
From flight yesterday, Beni Mellal to Errichidia over the Atlas Mountains
Official video is out:
About the FDE, there was a long process of trial and error during testing to get not only the numbers right but also some very specific behaviors like the pronounced nose down attitude with idling engine and full flaps. Tom Falley, being a real one driver did a great job again, like he did in the Beaver.
I have a few liveries in progress. Here's a RAAF livery (soon to be uploaded)
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Sterarman do you mean a landing on main wheels only? or a three pointer? Does both just fine but wheel landings were generally a technique for a tail dragger where you had the space to let the tail come down slowly and then hit the brakes, short field, it is a three pointer.
Correct, nice to know!
Yep I mean a landing on main gear, setting the tail down as you slow. While it's theoretically true that a 3 point landing should result in the shortest ground roll, there are many reasons to use wheel landings in the bush. More control in wind, better vis over the nose, and maybe most importantly when landing on a rough surface - tundra tires and main gear are built to absorb the impact of rocks and bumps at landing speed, while tailwheels and empennages generally are not. Youtube up some gravel bar landings in the bush and you'll see what I mean; not saying you won't find any 3 pointers as it can be done in some circumstances, but you'll find most pilots prefer wheelies there.
So you're saying the MV Otter can make a well-behaved wheel landing without the hopping and tail-banging that plagues its sibling? It will just roll onto the mains and stay there with some forward yoke, tail easing down as it slows? This would be welcome news, thanks...
Great look forward to this one, while I come to grips with a new paint program and do the JanKees tutorials to see if I can finally get this paint business right.I have a few liveries in progress. Here's a RAAF livery (soon to be uploaded)
Already have the Virtualcol Otter and also the JF Otter and cannot see any justification spending money for another Otter. Both the ones I have fly well for me.
Cheers
Pat
"Some people might say that freedom is being alone in the bush with the only sounds being the murmurs from the birds ... but I believe freedom is at 5000 feet with no other sound than the engine roaring."- William Hutchison, a young man taken from us far too young (16).
Yes, Pat. You otter quit while you're ahead. I wonder if somebody will do a side by side review of the three?
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