I sense some bad grapes within this thread....time will tell though how the series does.
I'm betting that that lot of grapes also hated "Enterprise" too....
I thoroughly enjoyed "Enterprise" though....
I sense some bad grapes within this thread....time will tell though how the series does.
I'm betting that that lot of grapes also hated "Enterprise" too....
I thoroughly enjoyed "Enterprise" though....
Wow Sue!
Tonight's 4th episode was a killer!
All kinds of story arcs going on - I don't even know where to begin!That crew member death totally caught me by surprise though!
Will have to watch this one again tonight or tomorrow !
Saw the fourth episode. Interesting sci-fi? Yeah.
Star Trek?
Nope.
This is absolutely going to turn out to be another Universe.
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That's definitely a valid point!Originally Posted by HyFlyer
On the one hand, producers say it's CANON, but IMHO, it falls more in line with the JJ Abrams "Kelvin" universe rather than the CANON/TOS universe.
That being said, I'm still enjoying it for what it is - since I don't do any comparisons...
Addendum:
IMHO, TNG/VOY/DS9 all got away with elaborate sets and technology because the setting was so far in the future from TOS, that it was deemed "plausible".
However, when you set the stage for pre TOS series, the re-envisioned Star Trek technology clashes with 1960s television technology available in the 60s. ENT faced this issue.
So I would debate that if in the 1960s, today's filming/CGI technology were available to Gene Roddenberry back then, then TOS would have looked really different - i.e. TOS would have looked more like ENT, JJ Abrams "Kelvin" universe, or Discovery...
You could use today's high tech effects back in the 60's and still make every attempt to obey the laws of physics per Gene's orders back then. Abrams and these Discovery people are not even doing science fiction, they are doing fantasy aka Lost in Space!Addendum:
So I would debate that if in the 1960s, today's filming/CGI technology were available to Gene Roddenberry back then, then TOS would have looked really different - i.e. TOS would have looked more like ENT, JJ Abrams "Kelvin" universe, or Discovery...
Beyond belief , yes , part of the TOS universe or Gene Roddenberry's vision , Not for a moment , entertaining as hell ? decidedly.
I have been an avid fan of the franchise since I saw the first series air and every iteration and film since , discovery too has its failings, I am going to enjoy having the opportunity to appreciate these as well while they develop a new universe, the past in Star Trek has a habit of getting altered, as has the future .
Will Discovery survive ? , in all probability, I ran the first three back to back on the projector with the full sound system for a cinematic experience and it held up well. An altogether darker universe, all hero's flawed, the federation at war and willing to do anything to win, the only softness seen , a recurring role for the tribble .. Nice !
Best CJ
Understood completely - which is why I put the caveat in that I enjoy it for what it is - without comparison.....Just as I enjoyed the re-envisioned Battlestar Galactica for what it was....without comparison to 1978...
It **appears** to me that folks that have the most problems/issues with Discovery also grew up watching TOS.
Times change and audiences change - again, I saw some of this with the re-envisioned Galactica. The younger folks really loved the re-envisioned series but not that many of them liked the 1978 series.
Interesting POV of how this new series ties into the ST universe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoW8Sq8-hr4
BTW I find the discussions all over the internet possibly even more entertaining that the show itself!
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Excellent video Ferry and with the "Black Badges" and the "unorthodox" actions of Capt Lorca, the video author could very well be correct about Discovery being about the beginnings of "Section 31"Interesting POV of how this new series ties into the ST universe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoW8Sq8-hr4
BTW I find the discussions all over the internet possibly even more entertaining that the show itself!
With the "return" of Harry Mudd, I expect another fascinating episode this weekend!
http://www.startrek.com/article/firs...ur-pain-photos
Hey All,
I'm a big fan of STDs!!
Wait did that come out right? Star Trek Discovery episodes See STDs Where were your minds at? :-)
I think this show has great potential. Maybe not enough to surpass STNG with Jean Luc which I think is by far far and away the best due to the examples of leadership innovation and interesting subplots. I look forward to many more STDs!
-Ed-
My heroes have always been cowboys and they all carried guns-
and they all rode horses-that is all but one.
When he went to the rescue he flew a Cessna plane.
His ranch was called the "Flying Crown" and "Sky King" was his name. -Jim Dilly-
The rich man writes the book of laws that the poor man must defend, but the highest laws are written on the hearts of honest men. - Ricky Skaggs-
So tonight's episode S1 E5 "Choose your pain".....
A bit mixed opinion here.....On the one hand, I liked it...but on the other, IMHO, would have been best as a 2 part episode...that was a lot that happened in one episode...
Some additional food for thought.
Up until the Discovery, we had never really seen (in detail) the inside of a science vessel.....
And strangely enough, when we DO get to see the inside of a science vessel, it is during a time of war. All the other times, we see the "war vessel" during peace time - DS9's Dominion War excepted...
I like STD, but as a separate entity. It isn't Star Trek of old, and, as far as I am concerned, needn't be connected to TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, etc. I liked ENT as well, but it also didn't fit in as well - that seems to be the problem going back to a time before other things happened that are "canon".
When ya' look at the video that Ferry posted, all of a sudden, it's so strange....
Renewed for a SECOND season!
http://www.startrek.com/article/disc...-second-season
“In just six episodes, Star Trek: Discovery has driven subscriber growth, critical acclaim and huge global fan interest for the first premium version of this great franchise,”
Why not? Netflix pretty much paid for it all ahead of time, anyway......
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What it has shown is that once you sift the noise (the loudest folks are always the haters), there's a solid fanbase.
Season 1 is 9 episodes and to be renewed after 6 episodes is truly stunning.
And of course, haters will always hate....just a matter of sifting through noise....
Of course, it could also simply be that people have different opinions.
IDIC?
I'm pretty much in the middle (and new to the forum besides) but have been reluctant to post in this thread, since there seems to be a vibe of only one correct opinion allowed, which is unfortunate.
I much prefer an open/even exchange of views.
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If you have been paying atttention, there a more negative posters (people) than positive ones...But if you want it to be a purely negative only thread, then I will cease posting so you can have at it...and you and Ivan can tear up the show with your hearts delight without any responses from me...
The renewal of the series for a 2nd season obviously must be a setback for those who were chomping on the bit & couldn't wait for it be cancelled after 1 season to in order to boast:
"..See, I told you so!..."
Another interesting 'conspiracy theory' video...
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Panther, I hope none of this is upsetting you too badly. I don't tell anyone they have to like anything, but if you are as familiar with Nerd-dom as a think you are, you already know some superfans will never be satisfied unless they are themselves executive producers with absolute control over the director, actors, costumes, set design, special effects, and have unchallenged script approval. I remember the nerd outrage when BSG was rebooted and it was announced that Starbuck would be a woman. You'd have thought someone had boiled all their bunnies.
JAMES
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it."
-William Munny
Unforgiven (1992)
Doesn't upset me at all!
But the previous post before mine hinted that only one perspective was allowed in this thread - so I had to remind the poster that the negatives out number the positives...
You are 100% correct about the BSG remake & Starbuck and Boomer "sex change"...! There's always a core group that will never move past any "original series"....
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