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Thanks for posting the screenies. I think I'll load the file to the library in case others might want it.
Thanks for posting the screenies. I think I'll load the file to the library in case others might want it.
I have been following your very welcome efforts for Glenview NAS, would it be feasible to just make
Glenview NAS for FS9?
Thank you all for your efforts
Casey
I'm sure it would be, just like any other airport. And it would presumably get rid of that annoying ramp effect and allow the runways to be numbered correctly.Originally Posted by casey jones
Alas, nobody who knows how to make scenery seems to have any interest in such a project. I wish someone did!
I can make AFCADs and I've learned how to make simple landclass files, and I can place generic buildings from scenery libraries. But custom buildings and other things that would be needed for a reasonably realistic Glenview are utterly beyond my knowledge and skills.
Also, I went over to FS-SHIPYARDS to see if any who knew how to model ships (uss sable and uss wolverine) but I can no longer log in.
Do not fear the enemy, for they can take only your life. Fear the media far more, for they will destroy your honour.
At least you might place it as AI with a fake ADE and traffic (once a week in the middle of the night).
CFS2 USS Coral Sea
That would work. A wake effect could be placed, the way we do with ship scenery objects.
But would it be landable?
It's been so many years since I fiddled with a CFS2 ship that I don't remember much about it. It seems like I must have thought of it. Back then I didn't know how to make scenery objects from aircraft models (FS9 only, not CFS2 - drat!) so I often placed airplanes as "static AI."
Anyway, for whatever reason, I never did that. Maybe it was because they weren't landable, or maybe I just didn't think of it. Maybe I should set one up and try to land on it. Have you tried that?
I would dearly love to have some straight-deck Essex and Midway class CVs in my classic era sim. And a Ranger in GW.
OK, I did some fiddling about. I found that CFS-2 carriers can be loaded as FS9 aircraft. They come without FS9 aircraft.cfg files or AIR files, but those can be taken from other FS9 ships.
What I haven't had time to do yet is set one up as "static AI" and see if it has a hard deck that I can take off from or land on.
FS Shipyards has a straight deck Essex that was converted from a CFS-2 ship to an FS9 aircraft. Maybe if one doesn't have a hard deck, the other might. That FS9 conversion provides a good Aircraft.cfg file and AIR file. The ship floats just about like it should with no contact point adjustments required.
In the library here there are CFS-2 ships for CV-4 Ranger, a CV-5 Yorktown, a few straight deck CV-9 Essex class carriers, a CV_22 Independence light carrier, and a few different classes of escort carriers. Not to mention any number of Japanese, British and other carriers.
If this works I should be able to set up plenty of flyable period-correct carriers in Golden Wings, where it's peacetime east of Hawaii and the Pacific War is in progress to the west.
If only there was a straight-deck Midway for my classic era sim...
The Wolverine works OK as an AI, bow wave is A bit off! Still I'd like to land on her, rather than drive about..
Do not fear the enemy, for they can take only your life. Fear the media far more, for they will destroy your honour.
No, because it's in fact a moving object.
Yeah, that's about what I figured. (sigh)
We could see 'em but couldn't land on them.
Come to think of it, there were probably a lot of newly fledged pilots who could see Sable and Wolverine but couldn't land on 'em...
"As real as it gets!"
OK, with the help of some information from Alan I've learned how to make static AI aircraft out of CFS2 ships and harden their decks for takeoffs and landings. Not all CFS2 carriers work for this, but one that does is the Virtual Navy's USS Wolverine. I floats nicely in FS9 water and tomorrow's project will be to put it in the lake near Glenview, make he hard deck and add a wake and maybe some stack smoke.
Here's the thing that's got me scratching my head. The model has the flight deck painted blue, like fleet carriers in the war zones, and I wonder of they'd camouflage a training carrier on inland waters over a thousand miles from either coast. It's plausible, of course, and I tend to think tha the VN guys know about such things, yet it doesn't seem to quite ring true.
Does anyone know whether the Wolverine's deck was camouflaged? I could very easily strip the paint and make the deck unpainted wood.
If someone actually knows, please tell! And if nobody knows for sure, I'd be happy to have informed guesses, and educated (or even semi-educated) opinions.
What do you think? Blue or natural wood?
Since last evening's post I've asked Capt. Google for images of the Wolverine. Of course there were no color photos; that would be too easy! I got a lot of black & white photos showing a dark deck wit light markings, and a lot of artwork and color photos of models. So I know what some artists, modelers and kit makers think - and they do not agree!
The flight deck is rendered as either dark blue, dark gray, medium gray or natural wood. The markings are white, yellow, or some of each color. There is one black & white photo that shows wood grain clearly enough that it doesn't appear to be painted in any opaque color, but if course one can never be sure of interpretations of black & white photos.
Of course, it's possible that the deck was painted in more than one color at various times. I may wind up going with what I like best, which is unpainted wood, but I sure wish I had something at least somewhat firm to go by.
Still hoping for some information from others here.
If I'd thought of this project back in the early days of FS9 we might have someone here who had actually seen the Wolverine, but at this late date I fear that here aren't many left who saw the ship, and probably not anyone here at SOH..
Mick, I like the looks of the flight deck on this guy's Wolverine model.
Me too! A dark wood grain. There's a B&W photo that sure looks like dark wood grain; it seems a bit too variable to be paint, but maybe not - paint would've started looking all beat up in no time. So it's weak evidence, though it might wind up being something of an excuse.
I just reviewed the pics I collected earlier and in my previous post I didn't even list all the opinions of the various artists and modelers who've depicted the ship in color. They disagree that the flight deck was black, dark blue, dark blue-gray, dark gray, medium blue-gray, medium gray or wood grain. No two agree!
There's less disagreement about the deck markings, I suppose because there are only two possible colors. They were white, yellow, or some of each. The modeler isn't the only one who thinks both colors, and I think they're probably right.
Dark wood grain is my favorite, so if nothing else comes in, that's probably what I'll go for. Or maybe I'll make alternate textures to be used as whim dictates.
Meanwhile, I hope we'll hear from more voices.
Mick,
I don't know if you've seem this article and there aren't any real clear pics of Wolverine from above or on-deck but if you scroll about halfway down there is one aerial shot that seems to show Wolverine as significantly lighter than Sable. Sable's deck was dark - and irregular, as it was used to test various anti-slip coatings on the metal surface, whereas Wolverine was wood.
http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNe...-Carriers.aspx
"To some the sky is the limit. To others it is home" anon.
“Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.” -Albert Einstein
Great find, SirG!
I hadn't found that site, but it's obviously the source of quite a few of the pictures Capt. Google found for me earlier. And some of those alleged Wolverine pics are revealed to be of Sable. That clears a bit of the fog. Maybe it's time to demote the Captain to Lt. Google.
This leads me further towards a wood grain deck. But then, the carriers out in the fleet all had wooden decks and they seem to have been painted. I found some specifications for carrier camo and they call for the deck to be painted "deck blue." But I don't know if the Wolverine and Sable were even subject to specifications for carriers, since they weren't classified in the CV, CVL or CVE categories.
I think I'm gonna make a wood texture and retain the original, which is dark blue (presumably "deck blue") as an option.
It's possible that the deck wasn't the same color all through the war.
I'd still love to hear from anyone who actually knows.
OK, I have the Wolverine steaming in the lake not too far offshore, due east of Glenview. She has a hard deck, a wake, and smoke spewing from her stacks. Nifty feature of the model: her paddle wheels are churning. There's an ArrCab cable catch zone that should also work for 3Wire. She has textures for a Deck Blue flight deck with pale blue markings, the Virtual Navy's original that could be correct, and a dark wood grain deck with white and yellow markings that might be correct and sure looks pretty. Maybe they're both correct for different time periods.
I sent an e-mail to Bruce of the Virtual Navy, he being the designated contact guy according to the ReadMe file. If the address was no good I would've had a bounce message by now, so I hope to hear back from him with permission to upload the model as FS9 AI. If not I'll just include a link to grab it from the library here, where I got it from.
Yeah, the deck is too red. I took a bunch of the red out after I made the screenie.
The only little detail I have left is to put some splashes and spray behind the paddle wheels, which is easier than it may sound. Then I'm gonna go and have some supper.
Hmmmm... I posted about this in the morning and my post and screenie seem to have gone astray. Curious... I probably keyed Preview Post, then got distracted by Rowdy the Cat and failed to click Submit Reply. If it wasn't for all Rowdy's "help," this project would've been finished and uploaded yesterday or the day before.
Anyway, the project is finished. I'm still hoping to hear back with permission to use the Virtual Navy's ship model. It's only since yesterday that I sent the e-mail asking. If I don't hear back in a day or two, I'll post the Wolverine with a link to the model in the library instead of the including actual model and textures.
Since I posted that screen shot last evening I've drastically reduced the red cast of the wooden deck and turned the hull and superstructure from blue to gray in my speculative non-camouflaged skin. (I haven't altered the VN's camo skin, which remains as an alternative for those who prefer it.) After reading about how the Wolverine and Sable were very smokey ships, I replaced the stack smoke effect with a more robust one. I also replaced the paddle wheel splash effect with a splashier one.
Here's what it looks like now:
Try a PM?
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...php/73-crashaz
Good idea! Just sent one.
I'd thought of it before but didn't know if those guys were still around, or what nom d'sim they might post under.
I haven't shown the Wolverine yet in her original VN camouflage. Both skins will be provided so everyone can decide which one they like.
I just uploaded something to fly to and from the Wolverine, an authentic 1944 NAS Glenview SNJ-4 skin. It's for Wozza's model.
Mick, where did you find that paint scheme? You know I'm familiar with the history of Glenview and the two carriers but I've never seen a pic of a SNJ with that side #.
I first painted that skin a long time ago, back when we first adapted the Glenview scenery for FS9. I originally painted it on the daSilva model for use as AI and static scenery. I just yesterday painted Wozza's model in that livery for flying at Glenview and on Wolverine.
If memory serves (and I'm pretty sure it does - it wasn't that long ago!) I got it from a photo in the second volume of Maj. John Elliott's series of Monogram "Official U.S. Navy & Marine Corps Color Guide" books, which covers the war years. It was used to illustrate the mid- and late-war marking schemes for advanced trainers. There is also a list of the letter codes for the various training bases, with GL for Glenview. The N, of course indicates a training unit, and the number denotes the individual aircraft.
Do you happen to know what colors the Wolverine was painted with?
Last edited by Mick; November 14th, 2017 at 10:55.
OK, it's gone up the pipe and will be on the download list soon, probably by this evening.
I never heard back from the VN guys; no response to a PM and a bounce message from an e-mail to the designated recipient.
At first I thought that in the absence of permission I should just upload the FS9 bits with a link to the ship in the library. Then I figured, it's in the SOH library for any of us at SOH to use, and the conversion is only going to the SOH library, so it should be OK to include the ship in the package.
I haven't had a reply to a couple e-mails to Alan, so if you see this, THANK YOU ALAN for making this possible!!!
Now I'll have to see what I might do with the VN's CV-4 Ranger, CV-5 Yorktown, CV-7 Wasp and straight-deck CV-9 Essex, all carriers I've yearned for in Golden Wings since day one. Paul Clawson gave us CV-1 Langley, CV-2 Lexington and CV-3 Saratoga, so now we can have all the pre-war carriers.
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