Call for research material... (Fairchild C119G Boxcar)

[Firekitten]

Good folks of Sim Outhouse, I call to thee...

In all seriousness, could do with some help... Myself and Larry and co are looking at our next project... after the Mallard and A (Both short final for completion)

What we're considering... is a Fairchild C119G Flying Boxcar. Long overdue and often longed for... yet nobody has done one in a long time.

I've been doing some exploratory work now my texture work on the two current projects is done, and I know we have a wealth of information among the members here... What have we got?

Anyone with documents or resources would be greatly appreciated, personal knowledge, advice or technical drawings especially...

[jankees]

there's one in the museum, here in Brussels. If you need pics of certain parts?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/RMM_Brussel_C-119_Flying_Boxcar.JPG

[Milton Shupe]

http://www.ruudleeuw.com/c119-info.htm

[mvg3d]

Hi Rachael,
Take a look here :

https://www.facebook.com/NOI-DELLA-46-BRIGATA-PER-SEMPRE-119009911464328/photos_stream

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/Organizzazione/Reparti/Repartivolo/Pagine/46BrigataAerea.aspx#ev

http://curiosando708090.altervista.org/fairchild-c-119-boxcar-in-italia-dal-1953-al-1978/

http://www.modellismosalento.it/en/walkaround/walkaround-aerei/363-fairchild-c-119-qvagone-volanteq-lyra-38-della-46d-aerobrigata-di-pisa.html

http://www.centroaeronauticoantoni.it/cronaca_restauro_2.htm

:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[mvg3d]

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[Blood_Hawk23]

Not sure if this will help...

http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/modernplanes/fairchild/2201/view/fairchild_c-119_packet/

http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/modernplanes/fairchild/

What info are you looking for? There is a lot out there. Look up Operation Tomahawk. It would probably the largest use of the C-119.

Here is a good historical link.

http://www.history.army.mil/index.html

It may help get you in a direction that you want to go.

[tankerguy72]

I have the airtanker one covered

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31933&stc=1

[Firekitten]

I think the biggest help right now would be PDF service manuals or POHs, any good photos of gear and the gear mechanism (That's one i've spent hours trying to find clear information on and its a tough one to find exact details of (especially the hub and axle joint and the suspension components)

[tankerguy72]

This was the best landing gear shot I have. Ill look through my books. I might have a manual in there

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/TankertownUSA/DSC_0386_zps88q7cybq.jpg (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/TankertownUSA/media/DSC_0386_zps88q7cybq.jpg.html)

[mal998]

Check your Private Mail

[Blood_Hawk23]

look here then...

http://www.aircraft-reports.com/fairchild-aircraft-1/ (http://www.aircraft-reports.com/fairchild-aircraft-1/)

Might be worth a look.

Here is another

http://www.eflightmanuals.com/ITEM_EFM/SITEM_EFM.asp?cID=3682

This last one has what you're looking for. I can tell you the info is not cheap, at all. That will atleast tell you what manuals to look for.

[henrystreet]

for a small subscription fee, you can download any of the entire library

http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/en/aircraft/usa/fairchild/c-119boxcar.html

[roger-wilco-66]

A dream comes true :-) :-)

I'd be happy to make a donation to cover expenses for the manuals! This is no joke!

Cheers,
Mark

[ian elliot]

coincidentally, i was trying the old Daisuke Yamamoto 2002/04 model last week, actually works quite well, all gauges show with no warnings, although obviously there's issues with prop and glass, all in all, not bad for a 10 year old port over but a dedicated fsx model would be something very much to look forward to, good luck guys

cheers ian

[tankerguy72]

Full walk around photos

http://svsm.org/gallery/c119c?page=4

[Cirrus N210MS]

been wanting a C-119 For a Long time :jump:


Found this Video on Youtube


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw_gkzEZKu0

[Flyboy208]

Absolutely thrilled that you guys are taking on this project! My Dad used to jump out of these aircraft as a paratroop officer with the 82nd Airborne Division many moons ago. Mike :ernaehrung004:

[Blood_Hawk23]

Just wondering how your search is going? Where you able to find the information you needed?

[mal998]

I have provided to the build group a full set of SACs and pilot manuals which should help get the project off the ground.

[Milton Shupe]

I have provided to the build group a full set of SACs and pilot manuals which should help get the project off the ground.

Wow! Thank you for that; most kind of you Sir. :applause: There is hope for the future of this project. Go LDR! :jump:

[mvg3d]

Hi Friends,
Italian C-119Gs during '60 ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RNP8orrc7w

:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[mvg3d]

A 1/10 scale flying model (!!!)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FVh0CKPjNc

:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[Firekitten]

An update of sorts...

We're still collecting material, but people have been helpful so far, and we've quite a library of material.

I spoke with Mr Yamamoto, the creator of one of only two C119's in Flight sim at the moment.

Mr Yamamoto has agreed to allow us to take his model, which for its age, was actually really good.. and go from there. It's also rather accurate dimension-wise. So this will be a slimmed down LDR project, not a full blown 6month-1 year project: We aim to have this done fairly quickly.

What we're doing;

We're taking Mr Yamamoto's original 119, and upgrading it to FSX/P3D standard. Which means enhancing the model, adding to it, and creating a more detailed exterior model, remapped and textured to modern standards with normal's and specular maps.

Inside... we're ripping things back to bare bones and taking it up a notch. How far... yet to be determined, but It will receive a whole new level of TLC and modernization to current standards of sim tools.

How it's going to work out; no idea yet, but We're finishing off the Mallard, and the Navion A is 99% done, so aside from a few effects, manuals and other bits... those two are nearly out o the hangar, and we hope to have the Mallard out as an early Christmas present for you all.


The C119 has long been a personal favorite of mine, and one I lamented the lack of a FSX native version of for a long time. I persuaded Larry to take this one on, and he, being a generally awesome human being has done stellar work so far in the week we've been working on it. The progress is staggering.

The end goal is to have a freeware plane worth flying, one that can be enjoyed and experienced. It's not going to be a full depth A2A aircraft, nor is it going to be a 24 hour 50 poly quickly with ms paint textures, but we're going to do our best to create something enjoyable during the project downtime we have.

We do have several irons in the fire for 'proper' LDR projects coming soon, you'll love them...

[Sundog]

An updated C-119 sounds great to me! I'm glad you guys took this project on, as I've always wanted a dedicated FSX version. My thanks to you and the team working on it and everyone who contributed research materials.

[Tako_Kichi]

After a week's work this is what we have:

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/Tako_Kichi/C-119G_nov-30_zpscdmql94c.jpg (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/Tako_Kichi/media/C-119G_nov-30_zpscdmql94c.jpg.html)


Most of the outside has been re-mapped and extra polys added where required (the white parts are still original). I've built a whole new left engine, cowling, cowl flaps and prop hub and the cargo section of the interior has been completely rebuilt to FSX standards including the addition of opening crew door, opening clamshell doors and opening para doors within the clamshells. All the cargo interior has been mapped too and is already getting some early paint.Things are moving fast!
(http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/Tako_Kichi/media/C-119G_nov-30_zpscdmql94c.jpg.html)

[Firekitten]

Inside was ready to roll... so I started there...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50293775/pictures/FSX/119rear.jpg

[tankerguy72]

Really Really looking forward to this! Flew the wings off the FS9 model and always wished for a Native one. Great job so far its in the right hands!

Here are some inside shots of the 119 for ya

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/TankertownUSA/DSC_0337_zpslgsbw0da.jpg (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/TankertownUSA/media/DSC_0337_zpslgsbw0da.jpg.html)

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/TankertownUSA/DSC_0338_zpsvmibrpqf.jpg (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/TankertownUSA/media/DSC_0338_zpsvmibrpqf.jpg.html)

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/TankertownUSA/DSC_0339_zpsanuabt3c.jpg (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/TankertownUSA/media/DSC_0339_zpsanuabt3c.jpg.html)

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/TankertownUSA/DSC_0340_zpsbeuw243q.jpg (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/TankertownUSA/media/DSC_0340_zpsbeuw243q.jpg.html)

[Milton Shupe]

Great progress in a short period of time. This is looking scrumptious. :jump:

[zswobbie1]

[QUOTE=Tako_Kichi;993875]After a week's work this is what we have:

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/Tako_Kichi/C-119G_nov-30_zpscdmql94c.jpg (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/Tako_Kichi/media/C-119G_nov-30_zpscdmql94c.jpg.html)


Sorry to hijack, but it suddenly hit me..
It will be amazing to have a plane, a Cessna 172, marked as above in red, but marked 'Rudder, Flaps, etc. Our VA mentors & instructs 30 kids a year, & it will be great to have a plane marked with it's parts for them.

[Peg o my heart]

Alas..I didn't know that this such a plane existed, let alone helping research material. Anyway, looking forward to this one

[roger-wilco-66]

This is great to read and see, thanks for your hard work!
Unfortunately, there is no C-119 in any museum near where I live, otherwise I would have planned a field trip to do a photo shooting session for texture mapping or documentary purposes.

All the best,
Mark

[mvg3d]

Inside was ready to roll... so I started there...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50293775/pictures/FSX/119rear.jpg

Hi Rachael,
Your job is really astounding !!!
A "silly" request : can we hope in an AC-119 (w/jet) and C-119J versions ?

:applause::applause::applause:

[Tako_Kichi]

A "silly" request : can we hope in an AC-119 (w/jet) and C-119J versions ?
We are making the C-119G model and the jet pack will be configured to hide/display as required. It will be non-functional as FSX does not support multiple propulsion types on a single aircraft.

Both the AC-119 and the J model would require major re-working of the exterior and interior models and at this point we have no plans for them as we have other aircraft in development we need to get finished too.

[Tuor2112]

Manfred made the KC-97L jets effective by tying their use into the nitrous system/WEP I believe.

[Cirrus N210MS]

wow looking great

[roger-wilco-66]

Just FYI, found a nice reference site with walkarounds and all kind of useful information:

http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/c-119/c-119_all.shtml



Cheers,
Mark

[Tako_Kichi]

Calling aircraft fitters/maintenance guys, we need your help!

Have a look at the image below as we are trying to work out how it works.

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/Tako_Kichi/wing_query_zpsjqadwy68.jpg (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/Tako_Kichi/media/wing_query_zpsjqadwy68.jpg.html)

We know E and F are ailerons, G is a regular trim tab while we think H is an anti-servo tab.

What we can't figure out is:

1. Do E and F move together and if so why are they split, what purpose do they serve being in two parts?

2. If H is an anti-servo tab then we assume it works in the opposite direction to the aileron to increase back-pressure on the controls.

3. It's not clear in the drawing but if the short push-pull rod on the inboard bellcrank is connected to the inboard aileron then that takes care of the aileron movement for that aileron while the longer push-pull rod transfers the same movements to the outboard aileron. Therefore both move in unison. Is that correct?

Any help would be appreciated as it's very confusing at the moment.


(http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/Tako_Kichi/media/wing_query_zpsjqadwy68.jpg.html)

[tankerguy72]

Dont know if you got the pic from here but heres a link

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=541735

[Tako_Kichi]

Thanks for that, the document I have just has the maintenance manual plates/diagrams but not the accompanying blurb. I saved those images and will try to decipher them tomorrow.

[roger-wilco-66]

I would suppose that the inboard aileron is configured so that it has a smaller movement in respect to the outboard aileron.

The reason for that might be the sheer size of the inboard aileron surface. This thing is almost like a flap. I guess this is also the reason for the trim- and the suspected anti-servo tabs to be located here.



Just my thoughts, I'm not an aircraft designer!


Cheers,
Mark

[AussieMan]

This project has brought back memories for me. I had a 1/72 scale model as a young fella. An Airfix kit from memory.

[mvg3d]

This project has brought back memories for me. I had a 1/72 scale model as a young fella. An Airfix kit from memory.

Hi Aussie,
The model You remember was an Aurora kit, its scale was just a little bigger than 1/72, I remember it had working ramp with a Jeep (?), Italeri had in catalogue a completely new one (1/72) during '80/'90 with also Italian roundels, in the same years Italeri produced also an AC-119 with jet....

:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[mal998]

Firekitten,
Regarding the jet engine, you might set it up as a third radial engine with nitrous enabled, with an independant starter, throttle, and set of modified gauges that mimic jet engine function. I don't know if the gauges can even be transformed from radial to mimic jet guages but it's worth some thought by a really inventive coder.

[Firekitten]

Everyone needs somewhere to sit...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50293775/pictures/FSX/119/seats.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50293775/pictures/FSX/119/seats2.jpg

[DaveB]

I think the areas covered by E thru H are the ailerons and that diagram may be a little deceptive. The inboard section is the flap and everything from that outboard is the aileron.. in one big piece. I've just looked a multitude of shots.. many of them large and at a good angle.. and I can't see anything to suggest the ailerons are split.

ATB
DaveB:)

[falcon409]

I think the areas covered by E thru H are the ailerons and that diagram may be a little deceptive. The inboard section is the flap and everything from that outboard is the aileron.. in one big piece. I've just looked a multitude of shots.. many of them large and at a good angle.. and I can't see anything to suggest the ailerons are split.

ATB
DaveB:)
Agreed. I think what appears to be a break is actually an additional interior rib placed for stability.

[falcon409]

lol, and now I'm not so sure!!

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/ejwells409/c-119g_51-2675_64_of_92.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/ejwells409/c-119g_51-2675_68_of_92.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/ejwells409/c-119g_51-2675_48_of_92.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/ejwells409/c-119g_51-2675_50_of_92.jpg

[DaveB]

hahahahaha..

Good find Ed. They're very definitely split aren't they!! Thinking about it.. I've an idea the Vanguard ailerons had a convoluted arrangement like this. I was a volunteer on the example (the only example) at Brooklands but I've not been able to get down there since I moved to the Midlands so I should know this but sadly.. the old brainbox aint what it once was:(
ATB
DaveB:)

[Daveroo]

i realize this is of no help to you on the project,BUT i remember seeing a C-119 airtanker make a drop in the American river canyon near my home,if you google Auburn Ca,look for the fairgrounds, Gold Country Fairgrounds,then look east to the river,you will see the auburn dam project's visitor parking lot,used to be a large building on stilts at the south eastern side near the dirt,was a great view of the dam project,it had a huge wooden deck,which was atleast 50 feet off the ground ,we were on the deck watching the fire on the El Dorado side of the river,there were still F7Fs fighting the fire when this C-119 dropped over the visitors center and into the canyon and pulled up sharply and made an up hill drop,was pretty awesome,but the reason it stands out as a favorite witnessed drop for me,was all the men,dad and his other fireman buddies talking about how dangerous the C-119 was.i then grew up thinking it was a death trap!!...didnt they call them the "flying Coffin"?

the big parking lot is also where Camp Flint was at one time,well during World War Two,a prisoner of war camp housing German and Italian soldiers from the North African campaign.growing up,i remember several men here who were prisoners there during the war,and one man,was the father of one of dads best friends,an Italian man,after the war John was so inlove with this area he went back to Italy and got his wife and children,twin boys,and brought them back here,one son don has past,but ron is still with us...he has cancer ,as did don,but one of rons meds cost 12 grand a pill,im not lying...$12,000.00 a pill !!,ron has alot of money due to a large and profitable construction company,and has good insurance,,but he still pays $2,000.00 for each.both ron and dan were on the deck with dad and i,the fire was across the river in that county,therefore they werent active on the fire,but there were 4 fire engines in the lot waiting for any spots...

oh god i rambled again...........someone shoot me please........

[falcon409]

hahahahaha..

Good find Ed. They're very definitely split aren't they!! Thinking about it.. I've an idea the Vanguard ailerons had a convoluted arrangement like this. I was a volunteer on the example (the only example) at Brooklands but I've not been able to get down there since I moved to the Midlands so I should know this but sadly.. the old brainbox aint what it once was:(
ATB
DaveB:)
I know what ya mean Dave. I took my one and only ride on /in a C-119 in the late 60's on a deployment to Stewart AFB from North Texas, (Perrin AFB). All I can remember is that I hoped it would stay in one piece til we got home, lol.

[Tako_Kichi]

I just studied the images that Tankerguy72 linked to and while the text was difficult to read when enlarged I think I've deciphered the control system.

There are two ailerons per wing and they do work in unison.

Part H is actually a Flettner tab (a.k.a. a servo tab) and not an anti-servo tab (they work in the opposite direction).

Interestingly the rudders are also fitted with Flettner tabs but in this case the rudder is actually free-floating and the pilot controls the tab only. Wind deflection then moves the rudder to the required position.

The tab is so far from the rudder hinge point it actually exerts a lot of pressure thanks to leverage and the pilot only has to move a small tab so the controls feel light to him while still having the ability to move the large rudders.

An intriguing arrangement that was also used on the Bristol Britannia and it's Canadian variants.

[DaveB]

Indeed mate. One type exerts additional pressure to the controls (which would otherwise be too light) and the other lightens the input needed on what would otherwise be a heavy action. All very clever stuff and far too clever for me!:dizzy:

ATB
DaveB:)

[tankerguy72]

Not sure if these help at all but theyre from the C-82

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/TankertownUSA/C82_Av_4507_DA_wing_p132-33_W_zpsqovhc1k6.png (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/TankertownUSA/media/C82_Av_4507_DA_wing_p132-33_W_zpsqovhc1k6.png.html)

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/TankertownUSA/C82_Av_4507_DA_flap_p135_W_zpsllun2sim.png (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/TankertownUSA/media/C82_Av_4507_DA_flap_p135_W_zpsllun2sim.png.html)

[tankerguy72]

Cant wait to throw some paint the new one. This is a photo real texture I did for the FS9 model a couple years ago.

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/TankertownUSA/fsx%202015-12-08%2022-16-46-01_zpsoxyr78sq.jpg (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/TankertownUSA/media/fsx%202015-12-08%2022-16-46-01_zpsoxyr78sq.jpg.html)

[Matt Wynn]

...they even succeeded in coaxing muggins here out from under my rock! :wiggle: still very, VERY early days with the girl! lots of lines and rivets to do before I let her anywhere near the simulator! (as well as tidying the AO etc...)

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x270/mattwynn/muggins2_zps7ke7pmee.jpg

[gaucho_59]

...they even succeeded in coaxing muggins here out from under my rock! :wiggle: still very, VERY early days with the girl! lots of lines and rivets to do before I let her anywhere near the simulator! (as well as tidying the AO etc...)

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x270/mattwynn/muggins2_zps7ke7pmee.jpg

will follow your progress avidly... Happy Holidays
Carlos

:applause::applause:

[roger-wilco-66]

That looks awesome, Matt!!

[Firekitten]

First shots of the cockpit incoming... some parts not mapped, others basic and unfinished (Gauges are placeholder for testing at the moment, we haven't decided if we're going 2d for speed or 3d yet, will see, but she's got her first paint thrown at the vc, rudder pedals are the next task... get them right, then floor...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50293775/pictures/FSX/119/vc1.jpg

[tjsdn1375]

First shots of the cockpit incoming... some parts not mapped, others basic and unfinished (Gauges are placeholder for testing at the moment, we haven't decided if we're going 2d for speed or 3d yet, will see, but she's got her first paint thrown at the vc, rudder pedals are the next task... get them right, then floor...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50293775/pictures/FSX/119/vc1.jpg

Nice Shot!!!!

[airattackimages]

...they even succeeded in coaxing muggins here out from under my rock! :wiggle: Still very, very early days with the girl! Lots of lines and rivets to do before i let her anywhere near the simulator! (as well as tidying the ao etc...)

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x270/mattwynn/muggins2_zps7ke7pmee.jpg
drooling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tjsdn1375]

hahaha like...

[Maj Kong]

We know E and F are ailerons, G is a regular trim tab while we think H is an anti-servo tab.

What we can't figure out is:

1. Do E and F move together and if so why are they split, what purpose do they serve being in two parts?

2. If H is an anti-servo tab then we assume it works in the opposite direction to the aileron to increase back-pressure on the controls.

Probably built this way to fix some problems that the strange configuration caused. Too much action to control banking/level flight??

Just a guess but my only flight in a C-119 convinced me that something was AWFULLY SCREWY on this plane. It creaked, shook, was LOUD. . D..D..D, and seemed about to fall out of the sky at any moment. Still, it was/is a very capable looking aircraft
There was one upside: several (err, quite a few) of the troops could not face their inflight lunches so the rest of us had plenty of extra. This was a Canadian (RCAF) plane and those folks really knew how to put together a good meal.
I don't recall which was referred to as "the crowd killer". by paratroopers: the C-82, 119, or 124.


Blast!! I could have just quoted falcon409. He said it all in one sentence:
" All I can remember is that I hoped it would stay in one piece til we got home, lol."

[Dangerousdave26]

I have nothing to say

This is a test post to troubleshoot email notifications.

Continue as you were. :untroubled:

[Opus the Pirate Hunter]

Well I can certainly help the next test.

Ignore this as well. :triumphant:

[Milton Shupe]

I have nothing to say

This is a test post to troubleshoot email notifications.

Continue as you were. :untroubled:

Got it; thanks :-)

[mvg3d]

Some details from Italian '119.....

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/cockpit_zpsvbea0xws.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/cockpit_zpsvbea0xws.jpg.html)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/e1_zpsgn7o7d3u.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/e1_zpsgn7o7d3u.jpg.html)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/e2_zps9x7efsqs.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/e2_zps9x7efsqs.jpg.html)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/cockpit2_zpscbwl99bj.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/cockpit2_zpscbwl99bj.jpg.html)

[tjsdn1375]

Some details from Italian '119.....

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/cockpit_zpsvbea0xws.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/cockpit_zpsvbea0xws.jpg.html)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/e1_zpsgn7o7d3u.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/e1_zpsgn7o7d3u.jpg.html)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/e2_zps9x7efsqs.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/e2_zps9x7efsqs.jpg.html)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/cockpit2_zpscbwl99bj.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/cockpit2_zpscbwl99bj.jpg.html)

Someone they would let it make?

[tjsdn1375]

...they even succeeded in coaxing muggins here out from under my rock! :wiggle: still very, VERY early days with the girl! lots of lines and rivets to do before I let her anywhere near the simulator! (as well as tidying the AO etc...)

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x270/mattwynn/muggins2_zps7ke7pmee.jpg

Very Good, Matt!!!

[mvg3d]

Hi Friends,
A model without cargo doors (used for heavy loads drop) ?

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/heavy_zpstvxd8qyr.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/heavy_zpstvxd8qyr.jpg.html)

:wavey::wavey::wavey:

[johndetrick]

Most large transport aircraft have two sets of ailerons. Both are used in low speed flight when you need more surface area to move mass, and one set is locked out for high speed flight when small control deflections are required. The lockout can be a speed switch from the air data/pitot system or as in the case of the DC-8 a spring loaded torsion bar which restricts the inboard aileron as speed is increased and vice versa as speed is decreased.

Just looking at the aircraft

[johndetrick]

Sorry about the half finished last post. My battery in the laptop died. It appears the flight controls are not hydraulically assisted. That would make this thing a real beast at low speeds. Looking at the vertical stab and rudder size, I can well imagine that an engine failure just after takeoff was a bit of a hand full. On the Dc-8 which is the oldest thing I have experience with, the elevator was not powered and it was really heavy at low speeds. The aileron and rudder were normally powered. I had the pleasure of flying once with a complete loss of hydraulics, meaning all the flight controls were unpowered. At cruise it was no big deal, however in the approach and pattern when we slowed and configured it became a real upper body and thigh workout to move the ailerons and rudder. I can imagine this thing was no different.

[Motormouse]

I have nothing to say

This is a test post to troubleshoot email notifications.

Continue as you were. :untroubled:

These are not the droids you're looking for.... Sorry couldn't resist....
Normal service resumes.

Ttfn

Pete

[Motormouse]

Most large transport aircraft have two sets of ailerons. Both are used in low speed flight when you need more surface area to move mass, and one set is locked out for high speed flight when small control deflections are required. The lockout can be a speed switch from the air data/pitot system or as in the case of the DC-8 a spring loaded torsion bar which restricts the inboard aileron as speed is increased and vice versa as speed is decreased.

Just looking at the aircraft

Actually the reason for locking out the ailerons at wing ends is more to do with reversal caused by wing twist at high speeds. I.e the ailerons act as servo tabs to twist the wing resulting in ailerons reversal.

However, back to the subject in hand, it would seem control loads would be offset with the use of servo and balance tabs, so I would hazard a guess control loads would be similar to any other design of the same age.

Ttfn

Pete

[mvg3d]

Hi Friends,
NEW pictures......

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/cockpit3_zps11cqi0tx.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/cockpit3_zps11cqi0tx.jpg.html)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/cockpit5_zpsggvxvwep.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/cockpit5_zpsggvxvwep.jpg.html)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/cockpit4_zpsrxbfxktu.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/cockpit4_zpsrxbfxktu.jpg.html)

:wavey:

[Milton Shupe]

Wow! Great shots Manuele! :applause:

[sp762]

Hi Friends,
A model without cargo doors (used for heavy loads drop) ?

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/mvg3d/heavy_zpstvxd8qyr.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/mvg3d/media/heavy_zpstvxd8qyr.jpg.html)

:wavey::wavey::wavey:

yes, the doors could be taken off for delivery of outsized loads. In some cases by air drop, but also, for example artillery pieces transported with the trails hanging out the back of the plane.

Really excited by this project!

[tjsdn1375]

Any chance your FSX/P3D LDR C-119 Boxcar is still in development???

Tjsdn

[morpheusfz]

Tjsdn 1375 You understand nothing right? 

[SSI01]

My First Sergeant in the AF was a chief gunner aboard both AC-119Gs and AC-119Ks. From what he told me you are correct about the impressions one gained from flying in the aircraft - big, slow, bulky - but also immensely strong. His bird got a 37mm hit over the HCM trail one night, had a hole in the floor big enough to drop a VW through. This resulted in severe damage to the aircraft's hydraulics, fluid soaked the parachutes but they put them on anyway, maybe just for peace of mind. At any rate they got home all right. The birds must have been effective, he and all his squadron mates had prices on their heads.

I did ask him one time why he never transitioned into AC-130s, with all their improvements. His answer told you something about the -119's simplicity. He asked me which one I would rather try to escape from in an emergency - a high-rise hotel or a log cabin.

[falcon409]

Any chance your FSX/P3D LDR C-119 Boxcar is still in development???
Tjsdn

Yes, it is still being worked on. There is no time line for completion, but you'll know when everyone else does. Probably when it's posted here!

[tjsdn1375]

Tjsdn 1375 You understand nothing right? 

Why? just understand anything? I can understand.....

[tjsdn1375]

Yes, it is still being worked on. There is no time line for completion, but you'll know when everyone else does. Probably when it's posted here!

Oh, Okay I see...

[Crusader]

Really looking forward to this one along with many others here . A classic old twin transport .

Rich

[SH427]

Just a teeny tiny little bump.

Any news/updates?
I go a couple days forgetting this is a thing and then suddenly remember.

[Penzoil3]

Really looking forward to this! You're doing a lovely job, on an ugly old bird. My grandfather worked in the factory in WWII. He always refered to them as "split tail b**tards."
So I've always had a soft spot for the Fairchild.
LOL
Sue

[mvg3d]

Hi Friends,
Some pictures from an Italian C-119's restoration....

http://www.centroaeronauticoantoni.it/cronaca_restauro_2.htm

:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[Firekitten]

Just a teeny tiny little bump.

Any news/updates?
I go a couple days forgetting this is a thing and then suddenly remember.
It's still in progress SH427, one of the team is a little busy at the moment with harsh Canadian Winters, so we've partially shelved the project till he gets more time. We're still going, and it will still be done, don't worry!

[Penzoil3]

Thanks ! Really looking forward to this. Love the Navion.
sue

[tjsdn1375]

cant wait any longer when is this bird going to be release

[Firekitten]

Read my post literally two above this...

Due to one of the team being busy at the moment, there is a delay, but we will get it released as quickly as we can. I'm afraid there isn't much we can do to speed it up.

[Penzoil3]

Drool ! Thanks for the update. We all have lives that interfere with our simming. We understand... I'd send him some Arizona sunshine if I could.
LOL
Sue

[Penzoil3]

Drool ! Thanks for the update. We all have lives that interfere with our simming. We understand... I'd send him some Arizona sunshine if I could.
LOL
Sue
Ahh, bump !

[Penzoil3]

:adoration: Hope this is still alive ?
Sue

[Penzoil3]

:adoration: Hope this is still alive ?
Sue
Bump ! Still alive ? It's SUMMER !

[falcon409]

Bump ! Still alive ? It's SUMMER !
I haven't spoken to Larry or Rachael in a while concerning the 119, but I know they set it aside for various real world reasons and as yet I don't think they've gone back to it. Maybe one of them will see this "bumped" thread and comment further.

[Penzoil3]

Thanks! I appreciate your reply. I hope they do.
Sue

[Firekitten]

Can't speak for Larry, but we've both been a little burned out with simming after a long run of developing. I know I worked on the Mallard for fs9 and FSX/p3d, and Milton's lodestar and ventura projects and a couple of Iris Jobs. It was a busy year. We will return to this... for sure, but we do plan to get back to it, please be paitent, this stuff is actually rather hard and time consuming, we will finish it, its not like its a year later, we started this in January really... a lot is done, its just real life happened.

Heck I'm off around the country a lot with work, and i get home, the last thing I want to do is develop and texture, I want to sit and game, sim, or relax... but we will have it!

[ksw1375]

Any new to the C-119??

[falcon409]

Hello, Any new to the C-119??
Nothing has changed. Don't look for any movement on this project. I can't say that it's dead certainly, but it's not going anywhere right now.

[Tako_Kichi]

Just to let folks know I am back to working on this project after a lengthy lay-off. All the modelling changes have been made to the external model and the interior cargo area (except for maybe a couple of pieces of eye-candy like steps and loading ramps) and the VC is coming along by leaps and bounds since I came back. I still need to flesh out the central console and the overhead console but it's getting there.

This is what the VC looks like at the moment, I'm still mapping parts so that they can be textured.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46280&stc=1

[Flyboy208]

Thanks for the latest news Larry ! Mike:ernaehrung004:

[Willy]

Thanks Larry. I'm thinking this is gonna be a keeper!

[semo]

I hope this project can finish. I remember maybe 10 C-119's flying in a row from Selfridge AFB.

[tankerguy72]

I have a good set of interior shots if youre interested. Heres a few.

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/TankertownUSA/DSC_0300_zpswzq858dq.jpg (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/TankertownUSA/media/DSC_0300_zpswzq858dq.jpg.html)

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/TankertownUSA/DSC_0305_zpsijkebuwd.jpg (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/TankertownUSA/media/DSC_0305_zpsijkebuwd.jpg.html)

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/TankertownUSA/DSC_0336_zpsftt24hfv.jpg (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/TankertownUSA/media/DSC_0336_zpsftt24hfv.jpg.html)

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/TankertownUSA/DSC_0331_zpsivoc3mrc.jpg (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/TankertownUSA/media/DSC_0331_zpsivoc3mrc.jpg.html)

[Tako_Kichi]

Thanks for the photos, they are all appreciated. It looks like the photos are from a different model to the one we are building (a G model) as there are a number of differences, especially on the quadrant/centre console.

[tankerguy72]

Oh, yeah this is a B model. Well hopefully they helped in some way :encouragement: Looking forward to this Box

[Penzoil3]

Wow I'm glad to hear this is still alive ! It will be worth the wait. You guys do such quality work!
Thanks
Sue

[Tako_Kichi]

We've been very busy lately and I thought I'd give you a look at the latest development. Bear in mind that everything is still a WIP and nothing is finished yet (especially textures, sounds and effects). The VC is also coming along nicely with all the switches and knobs animated and coded.

The slow start-up is all custom coded and will require the addition of a control DLL (details on how to do that will be supplied) but if you don't want to do that it will also start like any other aircraft with a simple CTRL+E.

Enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUqbN9DH1h0

[Sundog]

Woohoo! Thanks for that preview, another plane I'm greatly looking forward to flying.

[bpfowler]

Thanks team LDR, looking prop-tastic! :encouragement:

[Flyboy208]

And It comes alive ... awesome LDR Team !!! Mike :applause:

[falcon409]

:bump:Let's not let this slowly disappear to another page:bump: Feedback is desired!

[txnetcop]

Hey Larry, great job so far! I flew on several times on one of these as a kid out of Kelly Air Force base. My uncle worked there as an aircraft mechanic. I even got to sit in the co-pilot's seat for over an hour on a trip to Altus Air Force Base in the late 50s! This brings back some great memories...Thanks to you and your team! By the way, I just remembered a quirk that the mechanics had to change out-the front wheels shimmied like crazy over 45 knots on the ground! LOL
Ted

[Tako_Kichi]

I've heard of the shimmy issues before and may even have seen a reference to it in one of the POHs somewhere.

[Bjoern]

The slow start-up is all custom coded and will require the addition of a control DLL (details on how to do that will be supplied)

XMLTools? If so, feel free to nick the installation instructions from the manual for any of my major projects. Haven't heard complaints about them so far.


Regarding the bosster engine: Been brainstorming with Tankerguy over at FSDev about how to make mixed propulsion work because his C-123 project is for is the pimped out turbo version. I think the most feasible way to make it work is adding an acceleration offset via XMLTools when the jet is running and then adjust the drag table in the .air file so that acceleration and drag will cancel each other out at the reference speed for combined powerplant operation (if applicable). Gauge indications will have to be faked and you'll need to account for fuel consumption, but that's one of the easier tasks.

[spokes2112]

Bjoern,

Yes it's XMLTools! Never had need for using it until now and am slapping myself for not delving into to it earlier.. :banghead: It looks like we're going with a 3rd engine for the JATO, still in tests.

[Bjoern]

Yes it's XMLTools! Never had need for using it until now and am slapping myself for not delving into to it earlier.. :banghead: It looks like we're going with a 3rd engine for the JATO, still in tests.

You're involved in the project? Well, it's in good hands then!

A third engine might turn out to be a bit complex to implement, but if you can pull it off, kudos to you guys.

[Tako_Kichi]

I thought I'd give you a bit of an update on how the VC is coming along. Most is now complete (there may be a couple more switch boxes if we can ever find decent photos/documentation of the labels/boxes so that we can see which switch does what). Textures are of course still WIP and WILL change no doubt before release.

With the above said here's an overview.........

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/Tako_Kichi/C-119_VC_Feb_3_zpsnvct1mfv.jpg

Here's the rear office....

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/Tako_Kichi/C-119_Nav_Stn_Feb_3_zpsrdmasbot.jpg

Finally here's the overhead panel, all switches and knobs move but some are INOP in the sim.......

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/Tako_Kichi/C-119_Overhead_Feb_3_zpss6gd2xio.jpg

Things are moving along quite quickly at the moment. :mixed-smiley-010:

[tankerguy72]

looking good! great job cant wait to get my hands on it!:applause:

[Paul K]

Larry, would it be possible to make the jet engine optional ? I'd like to use the Boxcar in the civilian role with Air Hauler, and a small cargo operator would probably not retain the jet. I'm thinking of maybe the jet engine disappears from the external model, and in the VC you could have an 'Inop' label appear on the jet engine controls, as with the Sperry unit in Jan Visser's VC for Manfred Jahn's C-47. Is that possible ?

[Tako_Kichi]

We've discussed this many times and you will be able to show/hide the jet pack.

[Paul K]

We've discussed this many times and you will be able to show/hide the jet pack.

Thank you.

[Tako_Kichi]

I should make it clear I guess that the 'we' I referred to in the previous post meant the team working on the project and not the general forum population. I just re-read that post and it came across as a bit misleading and implied that it had been discussed in this thread and so everyone should know already. Sorry about that!

[Penzoil3]

Wow this looks good. I've got a soft spot for the Boxcar, my grandfather worked in the Fairchild factory in WWII building them. I've always felt a connection to them, although he referred to them as "twin tailed b*st*rds."
Sue

[Paul K]

I should make it clear I guess that the 'we' I referred to in the previous post meant the team working on the project and not the general forum population. I just re-read that post and it came across as a bit misleading and implied that it had been discussed in this thread and so everyone should know already. Sorry about that!

Thank you, that clears it up. I did wonder.

[spokes2112]

You're involved in the project? Well, it's in good hands then!

WOW! Thank You Bjoern!
Giving it my best shot.

[Tako_Kichi]

Just to let folks know, the C-119 Boxcar has officially hit the beta stage today. Hopefully the testers won't find too many bugs and we can get this bird out to you all ASAP.

[PeteHam]

Just to let folks know, the C-119 Boxcar has officially hit the beta stage today. Hopefully the testers won't find too many bugs and we can get this bird out to you all ASAP.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Pete.

[Crusader]

This is outstanding news , anxiously awaiting release .

Rich

[Penzoil3]

WAHOO !!! Great news!
Thanks
Sue

[modelr]

Wow, been following this thread with much anticipation. Great news. :applause::applause::applause:

Good luck in beta!

[falcon409]

Really think everyone will be blown away by this airplane. Larry has done an amazing job, beyond amazing really to make this so much more than even he first anticipated. The flight deck really comes alive with all the switches, levers, buttons, etc. that make the Boxcar really awesome. The overhead panel is really something to behold and if you have TrackiR, everything is within view and easy to get to. Cuddo's as well to Rachael for the excellent texturing (interior and exterior) that has gone into the "119" and Roman for the amazing job he has done with coding the JATO system (which really functions) as well as the impressive "Slow Start" function for the engines. . .really cool to watch from the exterior. I think everyone will be impressed when it's finally released. . .and it shouldn't be too much longer now.

[SH427]

dangit Falcon, first I was excited, now I'm ecstatic! :jump:
(im)patiently waiting, trying to not throw my wallet at the screen

[falcon409]

dangit Falcon, first I was excited, now I'm ecstatic! :jump:
(im)patiently waiting, trying to not throw my wallet at the screen
Hang onto that wallet. . .it's freeware!

[ryanbatc]

Really think everyone will be blown away by this airplane. Larry has done an amazing job, beyond amazing really to make this so much more than even he first anticipated. The flight deck really comes alive with all the switches, levers, buttons, etc. that make the Boxcar really awesome. The overhead panel is really something to behold and if you have TrackiR, everything is within view and easy to get to. Cuddo's as well to Rachael for the excellent texturing (interior and exterior) that has gone into the "119" and Roman for the amazing job he has done with coding the JATO system (which really functions) as well as the impressive "Slow Start" function for the engines. . .really cool to watch from the exterior. I think everyone will be impressed when it's finally released. . .and it shouldn't be too much longer now.

JATO?! Woooo! :jump:

[Tako_Kichi]

JATO?! Woooo! :jump:
Wooooo! er no......more like Whiiiiiine....Whooooooooooooooooosh! :icon37:

[Firekitten]

I do have to put my hands up and admit the delays are my fault at the moment... work is killing me and I'm lagging behind everyone else's fine work... The textures are in progress and heading towards finished... its a bit of a beast too... I nearly ran out of rivets, but won't be too much longer, hopefully by end of Beta, I can have something to go... if I'm allowed spare time that is.

[falcon409]

Here are a few (still WIP textures) of the Boxcar:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/ejwells409/Beta-2017_003.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/ejwells409/Beta-2017_002.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/ejwells409/Beta-2017_001.jpg

[Willy]

Yall trying to get me to kick my beloved C-46s to the curb aint ya? With that, it might well be possible.

[falcon409]

The initial post displayed a bug that wasn't caught until I posted it. The Flight Deck view from the Cargo Area shows no shoulder harnesses or lap belts which was incorrect. Larry spotted it and made a minor correction and all is well now.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/ejwells409/Beta-2017_004.jpg

[falcon409]

Yall trying to get me to kick my beloved C-46s to the curb ain't ya? With that, it might well be possible.
She is a beauty and once the lines, rivets and special texture effects (bumps and specular) are all turned on it'll be a dandy!

[Flyboy208]

As a Staff member here at The SOH I just had the opportunity to fly it tonight ... This aircraft is superb !!! Mike :applause:

[falcon409]

As a Staff member here at The SOH I just had the opportunity to fly it tonight. . .This aircraft is superb!!! Mike :applause:
Glad to hear that Mike, it has been fun to watch the progress first-hand and it's been a group effort that I feel confident will be well received!

[Penzoil3]

I do have to put my hands up and admit the delays are my fault at the moment... work is killing me and I'm lagging behind everyone else's fine work... The textures are in progress and heading towards finished... its a bit of a beast too... I nearly ran out of rivets, but won't be too much longer, hopefully by end of Beta, I can have something to go... if I'm allowed spare time that is.
We still love you. Real life has to come first. I can't fly much right now because I went back to college, and have to hit the books. Believe me, we understand !
Sue

[falcon409]

Beta Testing continues as do updates to what is already a real gem of an airplane. I know (since I am one) there are "autostart and go" simmers out there. Those of us who maybe labor through a few tries of a true aircraft startup procedure. . .laugh at the silliness of it all and go for the autostart button anyway. This airplane is so simple to start that even I have converted to using the standard startup. Larry has included camera views of the Co-Pilots seat, the lower portion of the overhead, upper portion, the center console, the Engineers stations, the Cargo Bay from the steps of the Flight Deck looking aft and the Cargo Bay from the Clamshell Doors looking fwd. Also included are options to select No Cargo, Jeeps, or Pallets.

With the Overhead view, startup is simple and it may actually convert many of the Autostart crowd. Either way, the "Bells and Whistles" are many and being added to almost daily as we await Rachael's final Textures. More to come.:encouragement:

[SH427]

and here's a gentle bump!
I'm loving what I'm reading, so I hope it's not too far off now!

[Bjoern]

Impatience leads to the dark side and good things take a while!

[falcon409]

and here's a gentle bump!
I'm loving what I'm reading, so I hope it's not too far off now!
Technically speaking, Larry has reached the "piddlin'" stage, lol. Very little if anything to do except wait on Rachael to produce the exterior textures (panel lines and rivets basically).

[Tako_Kichi]

Hah, piddlin' he says! :dizzy::pop4:

The time waiting has been spent adding new features and improving what we already had! Roman has been bustin' a gut re-working all the 2D gauges from 8 bit to 24 bit textures and re-calibrating where necessary as some of them were way out of whack in terms of readings. Sounds have been added to all 3D switches, knobs and some levers and the 2D gauges (radios, knobs etc.) where needed. We also have sounds on the wipers now too.

The reverse prop function has been refined and the coding takes into account those pilots who have the standard jet reverse key (F2) programmed onto their controllers. Now hitting either F2 or your button will automatically pull back the prop pitch, enter the reverse state and then when you advance the throttles you get the full reverse prop effect (full manual control is also available). You can even reverse the prop on one side only which makes for very fancy manoeuvring on tight aprons (if you have twin throttles) as the aircraft will virtually spin in it's own length.

[Firekitten]

Working on the textures, shouldn't be too long now, Work is killing me but I'm spending my rare free time on this to try to get it done!

[Penzoil3]

THANKS !!!! :untroubled:

[eddie]

I wanted to thank everyone who is working on this model, really like what I see so far! Really looking forward to it!

[spokes2112]

Just a little sliver left.....

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/spokes2112/SS_23Mar17_011227_N44.48598_W88.12959.jpg

[SH427]

Just a little sliver left.....

...of ground clearance?! :eek:

[Crusader]

If my memory serves me right ( good chance it doesn't :dizzy:) , I know we have a few paratroopers here at SOH . Didn't one of you gentleman jump out of a 119 ? It seems to me I read this waaay back. Just wondered how your experience with the 119 was compared to other AC .

Anxiously awaiting the Boxcar's arrival here at SOH . Believe me , we all here at SOH greatly appreciate everyone's hard work on this project . It will be very well received . A very classic old twin prop transport .

Rich

[SSI01]

An older gentleman at church who was a paratrooper and who jumped from C-47s and other aircraft told me the C-119 had one factor that endeared it to paratroopers - and probably to their unit commanders as well. Due to its design it eliminated the need to make a 90-degree turn at the door just before leaving the airplane, as in the C-47, C-46, and other aircraft of the era. In the -119 you just stood up, hooked up, had your equipment checks, then stood in the door - and it was possible to practically run out the back end since the two personnel doors that were toward the back of the fuselage allowed the static line cable to go straight to the door frame, thus eliminating that turn at the last second. The big issue after that was making sure you didn't land in the canopy of the guy who jumped in front of you.

I'd bet this made it a little easier to assemble units on the ground since it was possible for everyone in both sticks to leave the aircraft in a very short period of time and thus, if the wind cooperated, land pretty close together.

It's a well-known bird but very, very little has been done in the FS world to provide a good model. Like you I am looking forward to this one.

[ksw1375]

Any news on the C-119?

[Tako_Kichi]

We continue to make improvements/additions to the model and systems while awaiting the final textures. It will be done when it's done, there is no timeline and never was. The time waiting for the textures has not been wasted as I have also been working on the Navion 'A' project and almost completed another Navion project that hadn't even been started when the Boxcar project stalled.

[ksw1375]

We continue to make improvements/additions to the model and systems while awaiting the final textures. It will be done when it's done, there is no timeline and never was. The time waiting for the textures has not been wasted as I have also been working on the Navion 'A' project and almost completed another Navion project that hadn't even been started when the Boxcar project stalled.

oh no.... why Boxcar project stalled?

[Tako_Kichi]

The answer was in the first sentence of my previous reply.

[Ramjett53]

I typically do not do this, and I offer my regrets and apologies for "sinking low" and posting here. It's just that I truly love flying the C-119 in FSX for FSEconomy and while the RIKOO (spelling?) model is good, I keep thinking of the MJ/JV C-47v3 and how absolutely superlative it is and how much I enjoy flying it in FSX I find myself believing with surety that this project for the C-119 will be just as, if not much more, superlative when released.

It has been almost four months since any news has been posted in this thread and three months in the other thread about this project. I am a firm believer in the axiom "no news is good news", but at the same time find myself dreading that "3:00 AM phone call that is never good news". I don't presume to even know or understand all that goes on behind the scenes in a project such as this. I'm a repainter and the concept of aircraft design, coding, virtual cockpit development are lost on me. I wouldn't even know where to begin. So for that the C-119 Team has my undying gratitude.

Just wanted to "touch base" and let someone, anyone, know there is still interest in this project out here in the far, far reaches of the flight sim community.

Thanks for all you do.

Randy

[falcon409]

Randy, we (C-119 Team Members) feel your pain. The hold-up is sadly due to minor coding that has been left unfinished and texture work, also promised and left unfinished. Larry has little control over those aspects since neither person seems willing to answer PM's or e-mails. The same holds true for several other excellent addons from both Larry and another developer, both of whom have been left in the lurch, unable to release their projects until the promised work has been completed.

Personally, I'd like to at least see the C-119 released "as-is" and let the community complete the few things left to complete, but that is not my call. Larry, to his credit, wants it to be released the way he envisioned it early on, and it isn't there right now, so the final decision is his and his alone.

[Bjoern]

What still needs to be coded? If it's indeed minor, I am maybe willing to whip something up.

[OzWookiee]

What still needs to be coded? If it's indeed minor, I am maybe willing to whip something up.
Hope flies eternal!

[falcon409]

What still needs to be coded? If it's indeed minor, I am maybe willing to whip something up.
To be honest Bjoern I don't remember now, Larry could fill you in though.

[Tako_Kichi]

The coding issue is just tidying up the existing code and removing the test code to make sure everything was working correctly. Roman will be onto that as soon as I tell him I want to release the project.

Rachael did start back on the painting but I've not heard anything from her for weeks now. I know she's busy in RL but it would be nice to get this wrapped up as I need the finished interior textures before I can take the screenshots I need for the manual.

So that's where we are at the moment, a tiny bit of coding to tidy up, the manual to write but the big hold-up is the textures. I have contemplated looking for another texture artist to finish the project but that would probably mean starting again for a lot of the texture sheets (panel lines and rivets, dirt and stuff on the outside, the entire cargo area and parts of several texture sheets for the VC. etc.)

[Ramjett53]

Thanks all and especially you, Larry. As I said, I'm typically not the "when, when, when" type and felt a little guilty posting what I did. I feel a lot better now knowing the pan is still on the fire. Even at a simmer...and sometimes because of the simmer...a delicious meal is forthcoming.

Thanks,

Randy

[OzWookiee]

Yup, thanks for the heads up guys! Looking forward to Cabbie :)

http://disneyplanes.wikia.com/wiki/Cabbie

[falcon409]

Yup, thanks for the heads up guys! Looking forward to Cabbie :)

http://disneyplanes.wikia.com/wiki/Cabbie
A version I did early on while we were doing initial flight tests and modeling changes.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/ejwells409/Cabbie-2017-aug-27-001.jpg

[OzWookiee]

A version I did early on while we were doing initial flight tests and modeling changes.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/ejwells409/Cabbie-2017-aug-27-001.jpg
YES! Please release a version with this linvery, my daughter will go nuts! Cabbie and Blade are her faces =)

[Bjoern]

The coding issue is just tidying up the existing code and removing the test code to make sure everything was working correctly. Roman will be onto that as soon as I tell him I want to release the project.

Alright, if Roman's on it, it's in very capable hands.


As for the textures, why not ask some of the painter guys here to do an, well..."emergency" set?

[ksw1375]

A version I did early on while we were doing initial flight tests and modeling changes.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/ejwells409/Cabbie-2017-aug-27-001.jpg

Wow, that's awesome! :biggrin-new:

Welcome,

Kane

[warchild]

Hey Firekitten, Larry, Falcon?? A lot of us viet vets owe our lives in one way or another to a C-119 called "Shadow", and we got pretty attached too it as well. Do you think you guys could squeeze in a version of it to this release??
Pam

http://www.ac-119gunships.com/the119s/ac119g/gunshipg.htm

[Tako_Kichi]

Hi Pam, long time no see! How ya doin'? :wavey:

There are no plans to make the Shadow version at the moment (I can't even get this one completed yet) but I do have lots of resource info on it including manuals covering the guns and cockpit gun sight systems.

[warchild]

Hi Pam, long time no see! How ya doin'? :wavey:

There are no plans to make the Shadow version at the moment (I can't even get this one completed yet) but I do have lots of resource info on it including manuals covering the guns and cockpit gun sight systems.

Thanks Larry.. Sadness, but its ok.. And it HAS been a long time.. about five years I figure.. Over all, I'm hanging in there. I'm hoping to get the old team back together again and finish the P-61. Delta558 is up for it, and I'm just waiting to see where N5026 is at with it. After that though, because of health, i'll most likely retire from doing any dev work. I figure its time for someone else to shine anyway. Know what I mean?? So yeahh, I'm going to become just a regular person ::chuckles::

The Boxcars looking really good though. I'll look forward to flying it..
Gonna scoot..
Pam

[elmucki]

Is there an update on this?

[falcon409]

Is there an update on this?
Nope, nothing new.

[warchild]

Patience is always a good thing.. Larry Dave and Rachel will be working on it. I know larry was having difficulty with one area, so we just need to give him time .

[falcon409]

Patience is always a good thing.. Larry Dave and Rachel will be working on it. I know Larry was having difficulty with one area, so we just need to give him time .
Actually it's just Larry. Rachael hasn't done what she promised which is the major holdup.

[warchild]

Actually it's just Larry. Rachael hasn't done what she promised which is the major holdup.

I must admit, I'm saddened to hear that, but cudo's to Larry for being a real trooper with it..

[TuFun]

I must admit, I'm saddened to hear that, but cudo's to Larry for being a real trooper with it..

She's one busy kitty...

...webisodes sorta speak...

Good following too... 38,792 subscribers!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQAP4d13N-ut2ut7ZCoujUA/videos

[Bjoern]

Rachael hasn't done what she promised which is the major holdup.

One more reason to not ever promise anything.

[TuFun]

I think she's no longer interested in anything to do with flights sims. She was doing artwork for NASCAR and INDY cars (sims).

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998343383/images/

http://racespot.tv/teams/rachael-whiteford/

[AussieMan]

I think we should keep this civil and stop the finger pointing and blame game. People do have lives outside flightsims and creating things for them. If Rachel has taken on some work that will make her some money I say good on her. A little patience goes a loooooooong way.

[falcon409]

I think we should keep this civil and stop the finger pointing and blame game. People do have lives outside flightsims and creating things for them. If Rachel has taken on some work that will make her some money I say good on her. A little patience goes a loooooooong way.
Pat, I'll keep it civil and afterwards if the Admins would like to close the thread that's fine. I'm sure Rachael is basically a good person, and I agree with you that if she has found a gig that is a moneymaker then by all means she should pursue it. However, ignoring communications in an effort to close the project and get it released. . .promising to complete the external and some internal textures in order to allow the project to be released on-time (5 or 6 months ago) and then not coming through. I'm sorry, patience is one thing, leaving an outstanding project hanging because you have better things to do and not even letting someone know that you can't finish it or don't want to finish it. . . .that goes beyond having a little patience.

[napamule]

Let's forget the Boxcar and go racing. FK found iRacing (trucks), on Steam, and now GTA (Forest Ranger). It's all over. She went over to the other side. 25 minute videos to boot. She really doesn't have time for anything else. It's addicting. Here is my video: https://youtu.be/_3rnqdCWmnA (and it's ONLY 5 minutes). Wait for Nordschleife (Ha!). Lots more fun than flying tubes (or Boxcars).
Chuck B
Napamule

[tankerguy72]

Really looking forward to this! Just went and visited a few in Greybull, Wy. Cant wait to put them to work with Firefighter X.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54762&stc=1

[thefrog]

Is it at all possible that, given the fantastic artistic talent shown by many members of SOH in other projects, that someone else could help to complete the project in the absence of Firekitten?

[falcon409]

Is it at all possible that, given the fantastic artistic talent shown by many members of SOH in other projects, that someone else could help to complete the project in the absence of Firekitten?
Certainly it is possible. There are many excellent artists that could finish the project, however Tako-Kichi is the only one that can make that decision.

[mal998]

What ever happened to making a promise and seeing it through? If you can't fulfill your obligation just say so and hand the project over to others to finish. Just my worthless 2cents.

[Bjoern]

If you want the plane, guys, you'll have to pick up the remaining work. No excuses.


And never, ever point fingers at freeware devs for missed deadlines or alleged broken promises. Freeware doesn't owe anything to anyone (save credit for used material).




I think she's no longer interested in anything to do with flights sims. She was doing artwork for NASCAR and INDY cars (sims).

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998343383/images/

http://racespot.tv/teams/rachael-whiteford/

There are still current-gen NASCAR sims. Amazing.
Being a mysterious sport from the colonies, I manged to spend quite some time with the very first installment of the series in 1994 and for a bit with the 2003 release, but after that, the appeal just fizzled out.

[henrystreet]

If you want the plane, guys, you'll have to pick up the remaining work. No excuses.

And never, ever point fingers at freeware devs for missed deadlines or alleged broken promises. Freeware doesn't owe anything to anyone (save credit for used material).

Amen. There are millions of real world, real life reasons why a freeware project might be stopped. They are started as labors of love when the developers life is good. Speaking from experience, the project is nothing compared to a wife, a job, or especially a child.

Whining from the community only sours the taste more.

[warchild]

What ever happened to making a promise and seeing it through? If you can't fulfill your obligation just say so and hand the project over to others to finish. Just my worthless 2cents.

Hey... Myself, Robert and Paul made a promise to you folks on the P-61. We were working on it up too 18 hours a day, seven days a week, and we burned out, badly. But after five years, we're back to keep that promise.. Dont give up on some thing like the C119, just because it isnt progressing at a pace our hunger demands.. be patient.. things change, and I'd rather have Larry around for a long time, rather than disappear for years, like I and Robert did..

[strykerpsg]

If you want the plane, guys, you'll have to pick up the remaining work. No excuses.


And never, ever point fingers at freeware devs for missed deadlines or alleged broken promises. Freeware doesn't owe anything to anyone (save credit for used material).





There are still current-gen NASCAR sims. Amazing.
Being a mysterious sport from the colonies, I manged to spend quite some time with the very first installment of the series in 1994 and for a bit with the 2003 release, but after that, the appeal just fizzled out.

Bjoern,

Very sound advice to all! Thank you for being forthcoming and more mature about the realities and expectations of life and simming!

I too loved the NASCAR series back in the day, steering wheel and pedals included.

[strykerpsg]

Hey... Myself, Robert and Paul made a promise to you folks on the P-61. We were working on it up too 18 hours a day, seven days a week, and we burned out, badly. But after five years, we're back to keep that promise.. Dont give up on some thing like the C119, just because it isnt progressing at a pace our hunger demands.. be patient.. things change, and I'd rather have Larry around for a long time, rather than disappear for years, like I and Robert did..

This has been one reason I lurk in this forum for so long. It has some people that live and learn, hold steady and take well deserved breaks when needed. I know during my tenure, I have seen more than one freeware or developer get burned out from the heady demands of some, myself included. Therefore, always good to see them return, if it's meant to be.

To all the freeware and developers I have thrown more darts than laurels, forgive me. Patience is a virtue that often eludes me, however, with age comes humility.

Thanks for returning Warchild, aka Pam. Enjoyed much of your contributions through the years.

[rvn817j]

Hey Firekitten, Larry, Falcon?? A lot of us viet vets owe our lives in one way or another to a C-119 called "Shadow", and we got pretty attached too it as well. Do you think you guys could squeeze in a version of it to this release??
Pam

http://www.ac-119gunships.com/the119s/ac119g/gunshipg.htm

Hi Pam and all C-119 aficionados! Another "Shadow" story for you. I was poking around AvGeeks and saw the following - http://www.avgeekery.com/gunship-history-101-between-spooky-and-spectre-there-were-shadow-and-stinger/

Enjoy.

[warchild]

Thanks Jay.. Thats a good read for sure..

[elmucki]

good news or no news?

[Portia911]

There is a newer and more positive thread on this topic here:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/107805-Talented-texture-artist(s)-required