Windows Update Caution for 10/13/2015

[WarHorse47]

I just spent the last couple of hours learning my lesson the hard way and wanted to share my experience.

I run Win8.1 and have set my Windows Update to notify me, so I can install the updates manually and insure they get installed properly.

This morning when I performed the update, I noticed too late that the update started to install Windows 10. I have elected to install at a later date, but couldn't figure out what was going on.

Come to find out that I overlooked the Optional updates. MS has elected to include Windows 10 as an option update, and it was selected by default.

Anyways, I stopped the download and proceeded to install the other updates. Wrong. Each time I rebooted, the Windows 10 download resumed despite unchecking the update and hiding it.

I ended up doing a system restore back to Sunday night. This time I insured the Windows 10 option was deselected and hidden, before resuming the install of the Win8.1 and MS Office updates. Had to do the same process on the wife's Win7 laptop.

What a pain..

[Terry]

I just spent the last couple of hours learning my lesson the hard way and wanted to share my experience.

I run Win8.1 and have set my Windows Update to notify me, so I can install the updates manually and insure they get installed properly.

This morning when I performed the update, I noticed too late that the update started to install Windows 10. I have elected to install at a later date, but couldn't figure out what was going on.

Come to find out that I overlooked the Optional updates. MS has elected to include Windows 10 as an option update, and it was selected by default.

Anyways, I stopped the download and proceeded to install the other updates. Wrong. Each time I rebooted, the Windows 10 download resumed despite unchecking the update and hiding it.

I ended up doing a system restore back to Sunday night. This time I insured the Windows 10 option was deselected and hidden, before resuming the install of the Win8.1 and MS Office updates. Had to do the same process on the wife's Win7 laptop.

What a pain..

That is a devious and underhanded update. Here is the # KB3035583, suggest you get rid of it if you don't want W-10 right now because it will NOT let you alone!

[HouseHobbit]

Thanks for the heads up, I just checked my updates, and MS wanted me to download and install this, I declined needless to say.
:ernaehrung004:

[WarHorse47]

That is a devious and underhanded update. Here is the # KB3035583, suggest you get rid of it if you don't want W-10 right now because it will NOT let you alone!I the update installed, and actually was able to change the reminder to not give me any notifications since I still may install Win10 within the 1 year timeframe. But after this morning, this update is now removed and hidden.

I get really tired and irritated really quick with aggressive sales, marketing and advertisements. It may be the American Way, but I still prefer to have some control over my choices.

Now to remove the pesky update from the wife's computer....

[Rami]

Good afternoon gents,

I had the same comment, but I'm on their arse like white on rice. They're not gonna EVER slip this one by me. :very_drunk:

[Toastmaker]

It's disturbing that Microsoft feels the need to use such underhanded tactics and are willing to try subterfuge on their customers.
There is a list of updates you really don't want because they contain access pathways for MS and other hidden items you don't want. Partial list:

KB3035583 (as described above)
KB2952664
KB3083710
KB2952664
KB2976978
KB2977759
KB3877432

[Blackbird686]

Well, this could be it for me for now. Microsoft has locked out my ability to update my PC on my own. It gives me no option to do my selected updates without clicking OK to install Windows10. Seems somewhat underhanded that they are foisting Windows10 on folks this way... Kind of irritating actually.

BB686:US-flag:

[Rami]

Well, this could be it for me for now. Microsoft has locked out my ability to update my PC on my own. It gives me no option to do my selected updates without clicking OK to install Windows10. Seems somewhat underhanded that they are foisting Windows10 on folks this way... Kind of irritating actually.

BB686:US-flag:

Blackbird686,

Look for the "show all available updates" in small print under the Windows 10 logo.

[Terry]

I also read on the Kim Kommando show site that once you have installed Windows 10 the updates are automatic at their discretion, you cannot turn them off nor do you have any option on which get downloaded. Seems as though MS is basically taking over your PC which I find quite offensive.

[WarHorse47]

When they started promoting and releasing Win10, it seems as if they changed the Windows Update page. Anyways, it took me awhile to navigate around the Win10 stuff.

What really irks me is that we supposedly had a year from the Win10 release to get it for free, but apparently they do not want us to have the option as to "when" we want to install it. From what I've read elsewhere there are still some issues with compatible drivers, so I figured I'd wait awhile before trying it.

My wife's laptop is already over five years old, and although it works fine she's been wanting another one with a better keyboard. I figured I'd wait until then to purchase another laptop with Win10 loaded.

My desktop is another matter. As I mentioned I'm not ready to be pushed into upgrading to Win10 until I know for certain it I can still run FSX, FS9 and my CAD program without issues or affect any of my graphic settings.

[Blackbird686]

Blackbird686,

Look for the "show all available updates" in small print under the Windows 10 logo.

Rami --

Thanks for the reply...

I was able to un-install the offending updates listed in this thread, and double check the settings in Windows Update which supposedly allows me to pick and choose which updates to install. I can still pick them out from the list but it will not let me install anything without first installing Win10.

I tried to look at the Update History, but it won't show the KB numbers... tricky. I have uninstalled all of the offending updates previously listed but I cannot install the updates I've checked. Tricky on the part of Microsoft... funny, I didn't hear anything about them dumping Windows 7.

BB686:US-flag:

[Dangerousdave26]

Thanks for the Warning.

As a precaution I made an image of my drive last night. The last time I did that was in May it was definately time to do it agaiin.

Use caution I tried Hiding this update and after a reboot it was visible and selected again.

My laptop is not going to go away from W7 it runs too well the way it is.

[Dangerousdave26]

Yep you cannot hide this update. it will hide until you reboot then it comes back pre selected.

No big problem I will just keep hiding it when I want to update.

[HouseHobbit]

Thanks very much for this info.
I have checked m Win 7 system, and removed one of these.
I will keep track of this thread, and keep doing my manual updates.
Bravo, well done..
:ernaehrung004:

[EasyEd]

Hey All,

My understanding is - I read it somewhere - that alot of the Win 10 spying and such if you want to call it that is built into Win 7 updates so even with just Win 7 refusing Win 10 MS still gets what they want. Do you really think you own your computer? Really? You do realize that under the digital millenium copyright act companies from car to tractor say you cannot mess with the car or tractor you bought because their software is critical to the proper running of a car or tractor - you doing something could mess up their software. Something wrong? Come to us an bring your checkbook, visa or debit card. In today's world it is all about capturing your cash and information (which is convertible to cash) as flow to them. Why? Well because they can. My XP computer is still hangin in but I'll have to do something at some point and I don't see a good option as I want the power - not them.

-Ed-

[Dangerousdave26]

I am not worrying about the data collection (some call it spying)

I only care about keeping my older computer that runs W7 well from getting hosed up by moving to W10.

As far as the data collection everyone is trying to do it. You really can't hide anymore unless you completely unplug.

[spokes2112]

I am not worrying about the data collection (some call it spying)

I only care about keeping my older computer that runs W7 well from getting hosed up by moving to W10.

As far as the data collection everyone is trying to do it. You really can't hide anymore unless you completely unplug.

Agree completely except that when the WIN10 experience data collection runs for WIN10 it turns my FS into a slide show for ~ 15minutes - NOT acceptable.

In Toastmaker's response above, 2 of his KB's are questionable to be on the list.

KB3877432 - A mistake (aren't they all!) on MS's part - http://www.pcworld.com/article/2987973/security/microsoft-accidentally-releases-windows-7-test-patch-freaks-out-users.html

KB3083710 (W8.0/8.1 KB3083711) - May have disappeared from queue. (It did on mine) http://www.infoworld.com/article/2992476/microsoft-windows/what-happened-to-windows-patches-kb-2999226-and-kb-3083710.html

If not, it may even help quash a WIN10 update by allowing a disable in the group policy. (NickN guide) Unknown, untested. -

http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/383128-windows-update-kb3083710-win-10-tracking-related-post3158759.html#post3158759

[gradyhappyg]

I stopped all automatic updates after they installed the "get windows 10" adware as a recommended update. Now no updates are installed until I get a chance to research what each one is for and exactly what it does. A total PAIN having to go through 15 or so updates each month and spend an hour or more that I shouldn't have to making sure they don't force me into an operating system I don't want, don't need and doesn't run well on my machine. All I ask is for some honesty from Microsoft, if it's about windows 10 then list it as such don't list it as a security update or recommended update for windows 7.

[WarHorse47]

There is a list of updates you really don't want because they contain access pathways for MS and other hidden items you don't want. Partial list:

KB3035583 (as described above)
KB2952664
KB3083710
KB2952664
KB2976978
KB2977759
KB3877432Toastmaster, can you elaborate more on your list or provide a link to your source? The lists I have are slightly different, perhaps because some address the "data sharing" quest of M$ or perhaps due to the difference between OS. Seems that the wife's Win7 machine tends to get different updates than my Win8 machine, but I'm not certain about that.

I recall an earlier thread on SOH that listed various updates that were recommended to be removed in a specific order to prevent the Win10 update, but I wasn't able to find it.

[spokes2112]

War Horse,

Don't want to step on your request. I am happy to share my notes/references for WIN7 Pro (attached).


gradyhappyg - Now no updates are installed until I get a chance to research what each one is for and exactly what it does.
Ditto. KB3035583 still keeps coming back - no problem. :sniper:
30260

[WarHorse47]

War Horse,

Don't want to step on your request. I am happy to share my notes/references for WIN7 Pro (attached).


Ditto. KB3035583 still keeps coming back - no problem. :sniper:
30260Can't open. Attachment comes out as a php file, not a text file.

[spokes2112]

Works for me - mmm??? Maybe try right click / "save link as"

Roman

Edit - my notes as post - use at your own risk


Disable KB3035583 from working, after installed, by quashing it's scheduled tasks. Method 1 or 2.
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/578100/remove-the-get-windows-10-icon-from-the-icon-tray/#entry3722877


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NickN Guide 05/23/15 thru 08/05/15 - http://www.simforums.com/forums/a-warning-about-ms-updates-for-windows-10_topic52577.html?KW=KB


! IN ORDER!


KB2952664 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2952664
KB2990214 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2990214
KB3021917 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3021917
KB3035583 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583
KB2977759 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2977759
KB2996978 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2996978
KB3022345 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3022345
KB3044374 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3044374
KB3068708 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3068708


End of 1st post above "HOW TO DISABLE WINDOWS 10 UPGRADING FROM WINDOWS UPDATE" - required KBs for group edit to turn off WIN 10 update at a group level.
KB3050265 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3050265
replaced by
KB3065987 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3065987


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09/23/15 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?96392-MS-update


??? (Not really relevant) KB3086255 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3086255
??? (Not really relevant) KB3075249 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3075249
KB3080149 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080149


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10/14/15 - http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?96711-Windows-Update-Caution-for-10-13-2015&p=985405&viewfull=1#post985405


KB3083710 (W8.0/8.1 KB3083711 ??? Allows Group Policy editing to quash - see NickN guide) - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3083710 -- OOPDAH! http://www.infoworld.com/article/2992476/microsoft-windows/what-happened-to-windows-patches-kb-2999226-and-kb-3083710.html and http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/383128-windows-update-kb3083710-win-10-tracking-related-post3158759.html#post3158759
(NOT RELEVANT AT ALL) KB3877432 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3877432 -- OOPDAH! http://www.pcworld.com/article/2987973/security/microsoft-accidentally-releases-windows-7-test-patch-freaks-out-users.html


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SEARCH STRING FOR WINDOWS SEARCH IN INSTALLED UPDATES WINDOW FOR ABOVE KBs


KB2952664 OR KB2990214 OR KB3021917 OR KB3035583 OR KB2977759 OR KB2996978 OR KB3022345 OR KB3044374 OR KB3068708 OR KB3086255 OR KB3075249 OR KB3080149 OR KB3083710

[aeromed202]

Nice. Thanks to this thread a quick check showed that my updates had been quietly switched back to automatic, though luckily I can't say the offending KB was slated for assimilation. KB3035583 was the update that installed that persistent box encouraging you to reserve your copy of W10 that always came up. There are sites that describe how to uninstall it, basically just via control panel/programs, but it keeps coming back. Seems they've enhanced its potency since it first came out. Thanks again for the warning.

[WarHorse47]

Thanks, Roman. I finally did a cut and paste to a text file. I'll give the search script a run next time I do updates.

At the moment I have kb3035583 uninstalled and hidden on both our machines, but I'm not sure it stayed that way on the wife's Win7 machine.

[Blackbird686]

I can't seem to get rid of this nasty thing, KB2952664. Whenever I uninstall it, even though I have Windows Update set to notify me BEFORE downloading and installing, it comes right back after restarting the PC. I was able to get the other KB's in question into the "hold" queue in Windows update, and there is in fact a KB2952664 in that queue, but there is also one installed. When I remove it and then restart the PC, it comes right back.

Anyone else have this little issue?

BB686:US-flag:

[airtj]

For those having a hard time seeing if a certain windows update is installed I found this tip to help, open the command prompt (cmd.exe) in run as admin and then past the following line in the command window, just substitute the kb number with the one you are searching for. Follow the on screen prompts to remove. Hope this helps

wusa /uninstall /kb:980302

[Terry]

MS is changing their W-10 update policy.

http://ireader.olivesoftware.com/Olive/iReader/SeattleTimes/SharedArticle.ashx?document=STCD%5C2015%5C10%5C30&article=Ar00907

[WarHorse47]

I am still going to avoid or postpone any update to Windows 10 unless I get some clear answers on some of the problems encountered by others.

I keep coming across posts in other forums that talk about how Win10 screwed up FSX or FS9, and the user had to resort to a full reinstall or had to revert back to their prior OS.

If anyone comes across a clear process for upgrading from Win8.1 to Win10 without having to mess around with any reinstalls or searching for new drivers - let me know.

As for the wife's Win7 laptop, that's another matter. The wife is intimidated by computers in general and frustrates easily over MS Office products. Last thing I want is for a major change on her laptop and seeing her totally frustrated by the experience. Replacing her laptop with a better keyboard and preloaded with Win10 is what we're discussing now.

As for the change in MS policy on deploying Win10, I really don't trust them at this point. They said we can upgrade to Win10 for free within a year, then they sneak in those updates that begin upgrading if you're not paying attention. Anyone ever try and understand what each of those "optional" updates really do? The language is just as bad as my insurance policies.

:a1310:

[Dev One]

My wife tried W10 & didn't like it because some of her old games would no longer work, so I took it back to W7. She kept getting asked to change to W10, but she said she just ticked the 'No' button & after a few tries I think it gave up, it certainly has not forcibly installed it yet!
My W8.1 laptop converted easily, only had to delete fsx.cfg & let it reconfigure another. My tower which is my main device though is staying 8.1, just in case!!! Auto updates is switched Off & I've reconfigured the registry according to the M$ website for that DRM update that seems to affect a lot of other people. My CD player still works as does disc 4 on my tower, my laptop though has the unmentionable & had it before upgrade.
Keith