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Navy Chief
July 1st, 2015, 12:21
I wasn't even aware of another movie about the USS Indianapolis being made, but I read about it today in the Pensacola News Journal. Nicholas Cage stars in it. There is a PBY featured, and apparently it started taking on water near the beach. NC
http://www.pnj.com/story/news/military/2015/07/01/wwii-seaplane-beached-behind-flora-bama/29575781/
Victory103
July 1st, 2015, 12:24
Movie prop or full flyable PBY?
Navy Chief
July 1st, 2015, 12:42
Movie prop or full flyable PBY?
Am not sure, but I'm positive more info will be released. NC
FlameOut
July 1st, 2015, 13:07
Too bad to hear about that Catalina, but a fair number of us Southerners have spent a few number of hours at the ol' watering hole "Flora-Bama" :dizzy:
Navy Chief
July 1st, 2015, 13:30
Too bad to hear about that Catalina, but a fair number of us Southerners have spent a few number of hours at the ol' watering hole "Flora-Bama" :dizzy:
The last time I visited that bar was in the early 90s. I don't live that far from it now, but don't like going to tourist spots like that now. NC
n4gix
July 2nd, 2015, 06:20
Movie prop or full flyable PBY?
Absolutely real and flyable. Well, at least it is when not full of water... :wiggle:
https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N85U
Navy Chief
July 2nd, 2015, 11:25
Forgot to mention that I collect books about the tragedy of the USS Indianapolis (CA-35). I think I have copies of every book written about it, including one called "Goodbye Indy Maru", by Katherine D. Moore, who's husband was one of the Indianapolis crew who perished.
I order most most of my books, used, off the internet. They're usually in quite good shape, and in this case, I was pleasantly surprised to find this book was actually signed by the author.
I am originally from Indianapolis, where there is a memorial for that ship. NC
stansdds
July 2nd, 2015, 16:56
Absolutely real and flyable. Well, at least it is when not full of water... :wiggle:
https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N85U
Yeah, evidently it is... or was.
Bomber_12th
July 2nd, 2015, 19:41
Conversation about it on the Warbird Information Exchange forum is that the nose gear doors are a problem area on PBY's for letting water in. This particular PBY has been a common sight around Arlington Airport and Paine Field, north of Seattle.
Daveroo
July 2nd, 2015, 21:50
were they trying to beach it?..i mean why were the gear down?
wombat666
July 2nd, 2015, 23:58
I wasn't even aware of another movie about the USS Indianapolis being made, but I read about it today in the Pensacola News Journal. Nicholas Cage stars in it. There is a PBY featured, and apparently it started taking on water near the beach. NC
http://www.pnj.com/story/news/military/2015/07/01/wwii-seaplane-beached-behind-flora-bama/29575781/
Shame about the Cat, unfortunately the film will be a dud........Nicholas Cage is the kiss of death for any production!
stansdds
July 3rd, 2015, 02:11
Shame about the Cat, unfortunately the film will be a dud........Nicholas Cage is the kiss of death for any production!
I dunno. If the part he is playing calls for deadpan, space filler acting, then it might still be good. :biggrin-new:
Daveroo
July 3rd, 2015, 06:59
i liked alot of cages early work..like moonstruck and silverado (one of my favs)and i watched him in a movie about Wyatt Earp last night and i have to say i enjoyed it,but i also couldnt help thinking he was trying to be quiet cool like Clint Eastwood in those spagetti westers (which i love,the good the bad and the ugly is a fav as is two mules for sister sara)but he doesnt cut it...Tom Sellic is much better at it in movies like Monty Walsh.which if you havent seen that,its worth it..good movie..
ummmm whats this thread about?? :untroubled:
n4gix
July 3rd, 2015, 08:51
Yeah, evidently it is... or was.
The absolutely utter irony is that this aircraft is normally used as a fire bomber! She's supposed to carry a large load of water...
...but not - obviously - in the nose gearbay! :encouragement:
Dev One
July 3rd, 2015, 10:41
Did somebody forget to put plug in t'hole?
Keith
joe bob
July 3rd, 2015, 12:52
In the movie Firebirds, all I could think of was what a greasy mess the inside of that helmet must be.
I guess he couldn't deal with cutting his hair short for the part so he had gobs of grease to pack it down.
So if you are in the market for movie memorabilia and someone is trying to sell you Cages helmet from firebirds, look inside.
If there are a couple of quarts of oil sloshing around then it is probably legit.
Navy Chief
July 3rd, 2015, 14:12
I know the movie, "Con Air" was hokey, but I still loved it. NC
"Put the bunny back in the box...."
StormILM
July 3rd, 2015, 17:42
Sadly, the PBY broke up during the salvage attempt. The aircraft is now a total loss......
Navy Chief
July 3rd, 2015, 19:43
Sadly, the PBY broke up during the salvage attempt. The aircraft is now a total loss......
Oh my, that is such a shame! NC
rhumbaflappy
July 4th, 2015, 03:30
The Seals had saved the aircraft! Broke up when others tried to yank it out of the water with a crane.
http://www.gulfcoastnewstoday.com/area_news/article_a25bfcce-218d-11e5-a134-977c0ceb15d3.html
Shame.
Dick
Daveroo
July 4th, 2015, 08:47
why do i feel angry when i read that it broke apart?...my god theyve been salvaging ships that have sunk let alone many many sunken pleasure boats,why would they attach whateve they did and try to just lift it?..who was doing this?..where were the buoyancy bags ect?..why didnt they use them to raise it and then float it right up onto the beach?..did the local government idiots decide it could be beached?...i usually dont complain about situations like this because i know that 90% of the time the people doing the work are professionals . but whove these jokers were didnt have a clue...try to lift something like a plane (they are delicate )out of water,with it half full of water is a recipe for failure...i hope the owner of the plane sues them until the movie company has to just fold up and go away....or atleast get a judge to give the owner millions of dollars of every movie they ever make from now on.
end of rant...thank you for lissinin...
rhumbaflappy
July 4th, 2015, 18:40
Hi Dave.
You would have thought someone would have had a dim idea of what they were lifting... aluminum. You just can't hook onto it without it tearing. Did they even bother to pump out the tons of water in it? Apparently not.
You nailed it on the head. Airbag it, and float it to the shore until it can properly be removed to a hangar for repair.
Dick
n4gix
July 5th, 2015, 05:38
It is apparent that this particular salvage company had no experience dealing with safe aircraft recovery.
stansdds
July 5th, 2015, 12:07
Yep, sounds like they called a salvage company that dealt with boats, not aircraft. I don't think the PBY was ever intended to be lifted from the water by a crane. What a shame.
n4gix
July 6th, 2015, 06:28
Step 1) Install wide lifting bands around wings at the wing root.
Step 2) Pump out all water possible while gently and slowly lifting aircraft out of water.
The choice of where to lift is a no-brainer. What supports the aircraft while flying? :ernaehrung004:
Note where they are lifting the aircraft from the Hudson River:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24876&stc=1
StormILM
July 6th, 2015, 11:17
Bill, I concur. That's exactly what I was thinking as I saw the events unfold. Honestly, I feel it might have been better to rig floatation bags under the hull and once stabilized and level, pump out the remaining water and then slowly/safely tow it to shore. Once there, then make a careful attempt to beach it with the gear manually extended. The reason I feel that trying to lift a PBY out of the water is not a good idea is simply because the wing root and wing structure of a PBY are somewhat fragile to begin with(not taking into account the age of the airframe). I have seen similar hoist attempts with PBY's go horribly wrong as this one did. Sad, very sad indeed!
stansdds
July 7th, 2015, 01:58
Bill, I concur. That's exactly what I was thinking as I saw the events unfold. Honestly, I feel it might have been better to rig floatation bags under the hull and once stabilized and level, pump out the remaining water and then slowly/safely tow it to shore. Once there, then make a careful attempt to beach it with the gear manually extended. The reason I feel that trying to lift a PBY out of the water is not a good idea is simply because the wing root and wing structure of a PBY are somewhat fragile to begin with(not taking into account the age of the airframe). I have seen similar hoist attempts with PBY's go horribly wrong as this one did. Sad, very sad indeed!
Bingo! The PBY wing structure and how it is connected to the airframe is not the same as conventional aircraft.
Motormouse
July 8th, 2015, 04:55
Oh my, did they use Lizard Lick towing or something.
I'm sure the guys at Kermit Weeks place would have been able to advise on recovering a veteran airframe.
They're in the same state after all, even if a few hundred miles distant.
Ttfn
Pete
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