C-97G Stratofreighter Uploaded

[mjahn]

Just uploaded to Sim Outhouse and Flightsim.com. Zips may need a little time to clear library admin.

FSX Boeing C-97G Stratofreighter (new) and KC-97G Stratotanker (updated). Previous installation of basepack "FSX Boeing C-97 V.1 Beta" required. This update includes the C-97G Freighter model and modifies the KC-97G Tanker model to include a cargo hold and cargo door. All intermediate patches issued so far have been integrated as well, so all you need to make the pack work is an installed V1 Beta basepack (either patched or unpatched).

Cheers,
Manfred

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51024107/C97G3.jpg

[Cees Donker]

Looking good!

And I liked the tanker already a lot!:applause::applause::applause:

Cees

[manfredc3]

Yahoo!!

Waiting for the download to become available :jump::applause:

[menef]

Thank you :applause:Thank you:applause:Thank you:applause:

[Aharon]

Since the liveries are interexchangable between C-97Gs and KC-97s, can we have simple instruction on how to install C-97 liveries on KC-97, please?


FSX Boeing C-97G Stratofreighter (new) and KC-97G Stratotanker (updated). Previous installation of basepack "FSX Boeing C-97 V.1 Beta" required. This update includes the C-97G Freighter model and modifies the KC-97G Tanker model to include a cargo hold and cargo door. All intermediate patches issued so far have been integrated as well, so all you need to make the pack work is an installed V1 Beta basepack (either patched or unpatched).

So it means I should install C-97 and KC-97 with cargo doors into SAME folder as KC-97 with all its latest updates?

Sorry for too stupid questions but I am whiz in installations of jet add-ons but NOT in propeller ones LOLOL Installation of any propeller plane add ons is more difficult than jet add ons. LOL :biggrin-new:


Thanks,

Aharon

[Duckie]

WooHoo! Thank you Team Strat

[txnetcop]

YEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWWWWWWW! A BIG TEXAS THANK YOU!
Ted

[DaveB]

A HUGE thanks from me too. Excellent:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[mvg3d]

GGGRRRREEEEEAAAAT !!!!!!!!

:applause::applause::applause::applause:

[thunder100]

To get Going

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?catid=37&linkid=19738


Roland

[WND]

Hello Aharon:



Since the liveries are interexchangable between C-97Gs and KC-97s, can we have simple instruction on how to install C-97 liveries on KC-97, please?

I believe the C-97G was design so as to allow all the KC-97G textures that have been done so far (and probably in the future) to work on the C-97G. The 'secret' is this: You install the 'texture folder' the way you normally would BUT when you go into the 'Aircraft config' file to add the necessary info in there, you have to decide what airplane you want that 'texture' to show up on and make sure the third line down (model=) is pointing to the right aircraft you want it on !! Another words, all that information that was sent along with that particular texture - that will gon in the 'aircrfat cfg file' will be [fltsim.??] (you fill in the number for ??) and if you want to see that 'texture' on the 'tanker' (KC-97G) then you want to make sure "Model=KC97G".. If you want it on the cargo version, then "Model=C97G"..



So it means I should install C-97 and KC-97 with cargo doors into SAME folder as KC-97 with all its latest updates?

Yes again sort of !! What I did was make a 'main' folder and called it "Boeing_C-97G". Then I dumped everything into that folder and went from there.. When I was all done 'transferring' everything over from my 'original' (or old) folders, I deleted them.. You just want to make sure - when your all done - that you now have 'everything' under one 'main' folder..



Sorry for too stupid questions but I am whiz in installations of jet add-ons but NOT in propeller ones LOLOL Installation of any propeller plane add ons is more difficult than jet add ons. LOL :biggrin-new:

NO question is stupid !!!



Thanks,

Aharon


Hope this help ya get going..

Bill

[Roger]

Absolutely fantastic:ernaehrung004::applause:

[DaveB]

Yup.. it simply gets better:encouragement:

Had the freighter up for a couple of hours and all worked as expected. Notice on this release that any mouse-look on Shift+4 that invokes a text box also brings a stutter.. just one as the text box loads and displays. Not a problem but never noticed this on the KC. Maybe it's starting to push my old i5 rig a little more.
Also.. I note the ramps won't function unless engine 2 is running. Not a problem.. I assume the ramp takes power from the generator serving engine#2;) Didn't see any mention of this in the readme but it didn't take long to fathom. Other engines may also work.. #1 definitely doesn't.

Love it to bits:encouragement:
ATB
DaveB:)

[StormILM]

Yup.. it simply gets better:encouragement:

Had the freighter up for a couple of hours and all worked as expected. Notice on this release that any mouse-look on Shift+4 that invokes a text box also brings a stutter.. just one as the text box loads and displays. Not a problem but never noticed this on the KC. Maybe it's starting to push my old i5 rig a little more.
Also.. I note the ramps won't function unless engine 2 is running. Not a problem.. I assume the ramp takes power from the generator serving engine#2;) Didn't see any mention of this in the readme but it didn't take long to fathom. Other engines may also work.. #1 definitely doesn't.

Love it to bits:encouragement:
ATB
DaveB:)

I can't get the Shift+4 menus to display properly after the update. The issue affects both the KC and C variants but when I reverted back to the previous versions of the gauge & monitor cab files, the original Shift+4 menus display properly. Not sure what to make of it.

[WND]

Yup.. it simply gets better:encouragement:

Also.. I note the ramps won't function unless engine 2 is running. Not a problem.. I assume the ramp takes power from the generator serving engine#2;) Didn't see any mention of this in the readme but it didn't take long to fathom. Other engines may also work.. #1 definitely doesn't.

Love it to bits:encouragement:
ATB
DaveB:)

Dave:

The ramp actually needs hydraulic pressure to operate rather than electrical - and the only 2 engines that have a hydraulic pump on are #2 and #3..


ALL:

As far as the 'shift 4' and 'monitor panel' issues go, I can't help ya there - I actually don't bother with them since everything I need is on the 'monitor panel' itself and that all works fine for me..

Check out the 'individual' help menus on each panel !! Real neat !!

Bill

[oldmsgt]

I can't get my ramp to lower at all. Monitor panel just shows "---" for the ramp. Using the tailhook key won't lower it either. Tried a second download then replaced the C97 model along with the new panel & air files, still the same result. Am I missing something?

[WND]

I can't get my ramp to lower at all. Monitor panel just shows "---" for the ramp. Using the tailhook key won't lower it either. Tried a second download then replaced the C97 model along with the new panel & air files, still the same result. Am I missing something?

YES !! First of all, you have to have either #2 or #3 engine running. Pull up your "monitor panel" - where it says "RAMP ----", click on the --- with your middle mouse button, it should then say "UP" which is telling you what position their in. Then use your left mouse button on "UP" - it will change to "DN" and there ya go !!

Bill

[oldmsgt]

YES !! First of all, you have to have either #2 or #3 engine running. Pull up your "monitor panel" - where it says "RAMP ----", click on the --- with your middle mouse button, it should then say "UP" which is telling you what position their in. Then use your left mouse button on "UP" - it will change to "DN" and there ya go !!

Bill
I was doing everything right, EXCEPT having my middle mouse button programmed as "middle button". Seems to be working fine now. Thanks!

[oldmsgt]

Now that all's well with the C-97 ramp operation the old Master Sergeant unfortunately still has a problem. Yes, I know it's stupid, foolish and nitpicky but it somehow bothers me every time I see it. The orientation of the US flag on the right side of the tail is not correct. The field of stars should always be forward. Rant over, and thank you Manfred for a great airplane!

[gray eagle]

Just wanted to say thanks to Milton and his crew for the C-97. :encouragement:

I managed a successful install as per directions without a hitch. :adoration:


Edit: Thanks to Manfred and his crew.

[WND]

Just wanted to say thanks to Milton and his crew for the C-97. :encouragement:


Gray Eagle:

The C-97G and the KC-97G (which are a WIP) are actually being done by Manfred Jahn and his crew !!

[gray eagle]

Gray Eagle:

The C-97G and the KC-97G (which are a WIP) are actually being done by Manfred Jahn and his crew !!

Oops my bad sorry , err...Thanks to Manfred Jahn and his crew

Both Milton and Manfred (and others) develop great stuff and I just lost track.

[WND]

Now that all's well with the C-97 ramp operation the old Master Sergeant unfortunately still has a problem. Yes, I know it's stupid, foolish and nitpicky but it somehow bothers me every time I see it. The orientation of the US flag on the right side of the tail is not correct. The field of stars should always be forward. Rant over, and thank you Manfred for a great airplane!


Hey Msgt:

WOW ! I never picked up on that either !! However I just got done doing research on it and apparently it's more of a military thing than a civilian issue..

From what I read and if I understand it correctly, the "Union" (stars) always face the direction of travel first to give the impression of the rest of the flag waving behind as it normally would.. Learn something new every day !!!

I'll pass that on to MJ for correction since he did the Californina paint..

Bill

[gray eagle]

I tried my hand at correcting the flag on the right side (file C97_03.dds) I thought while waiting for MJ to remedy this that I would try a temp fix.

http://i57.tinypic.com/16a1v1l.jpg

Edit: I removed the link for the fix as I don't know if MJ would approve me offering the corrected file as that is his baby.
If MJ approves, then I would gladly provide a link for the corrected file.

[Bushpounder]

THANK YOU for a fantastic airplane! This is a little (or should I say BIG) dream to fly! I LOVE the monitor panel. What a brilliant idea!

Don

[jankees]

Thank you for this wonderful new addition, it looks great!

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18039.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18039.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18048.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18048.jpg.html)

[gray eagle]

A paint of the MATS would be nice...:adoration:


https://s1.scalemates.com/products/img/3/1/4/107314-b.jpg

[menef]

Jankees, this is your moment ! :jump:

[mjahn]

Hi all,

many thanks for comments and paints on this update. Just in case you were wondering, on my setup I can operate doors, steps, and ramps without having any engines running. But then I am on FSX SP2, and Acceleration may handle things just a bit differently. We'll get this sorted sooner or later, maybe there is a switch to be thrown in aircraft.cfg or something...

Man, I was mightily embarrassed to learn that the flag on the RH side of the rudder was the wrong way round. Yes, GrayEagle if you want to make your edited texture available, go ahead, and thank you.

I can confirm occasional problems calling up the Checklist via Monitor, and I suspect this may be due to some awful html coding, there is just heaps of junk in it. I will make an attempt to clean this out and hopefully that's the end of this issue.

Thank you,
Manfred

[Aharon]

Thanks WND for kind answers. I hope I can figure out how to install those onto the current KC-97 folder!!!

I would prefer to have two seperate plane folders: one folder for KC-97 and one folder for C-97. Is it doable???

And famous Jankees, your livery looks AWESOME and psst pssst pssst please please please please Israeli air force livery using photos that I provided on KC-97 thread. Please let me know if you need photos again.

Regards,

Aharon

[gray eagle]

[QUOTE=gray eagle;958405]I tried my hand at correcting the flag on the right side (file C97_03.dds) I thought while waiting for MJ to remedy this that I would try a temp fix.

http://i57.tinypic.com/16a1v1l.jpg

I just got the okay from MJ to post link to file that will correct the display of the USA flag on right side of tail.
MJ plans on post his correction as well as a few other item soon.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/l87mlek1llrbjdl/C97_03.dds


This file goes in texture.USAF_30272

I made a new thumbnail for it if you are interested..Just right click and save as thumbnail.jpg

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23813&stc=1

Again, thanks to MJahn for a wonderful aircraft :)

[WND]

I would prefer to have two seperate plane folders: one folder for KC-97 and one folder for C-97. Is it doable???

Yes Aharon it is 'do-able' however - as I just learned the other day - probably not advisable at this point in the project..

I started out with doing the same thing and learned that at this 'stage' of the WIP - with all the 'updates' that will probably be coming down the road, that at this point dividing the aircraft could lead to a lot of un-necessary confusion especially if MJ and his team are trying to resolve issue's along the way..

I do believe - due to several reason's - that as one of the last steps (if not the last step) to this project that he will 'divide' the aircraft into 2 separate folders - but at this point it's easier on him to keep them together so-to-speak..

So yes, it's do-able but unless you want to 'open the door' to a lot of 'self induced' headaches (lol), probably not advisable !!!

Hope this helped..

Bill

[oldmsgt]

Thanks Gray Eagle, looks good. ! And thanks to Manfred as well for allowing you to post the fix!

[mjahn]

These will hopefully do some good ... replacement files C97_Ref.htm, C97_check.htm, and C97_03.dds

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51024107/C97_patch3.zip

[gray eagle]

Thanks Gray Eagle, looks good. ! And thanks to Manfred as well for allowing you to post the fix!

Thank you for your service http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23823&stc=1

[DaveB]

Cheers Manfred:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[jankees]

Jankees, this is your moment !

yeah, sure. I'm back for one day, leaving again tomorrow 5 o'clock.
I just tried my hand at some simple stuff, to see what the C-97 looked like.
What I did find out is that my FSX looks a bit weird, a bit grainy....maybe the kids messed with my computer while I was gone..
So patience all, even these paints are still in the pipeline, release in two weeks time...at the very soonest...sorry

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18059.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18059.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18050.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18050.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18056.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18056.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18058.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18058.jpg.html)

[Aharon]

WND thanks for kind replies

I am praying that I will not screw it up by adding C-97 to same KC-97 folder!!!! What I am going to do is to make copy of entire KC-97 folder and paste it on desktop so that in event I screw it up adding C-97 to the same KC-97 folder in FSX Deluxe with SP1 and SP2, all I have to do is to discard it and get the folder back to FSX from desktop :very_drunk::encouragement:

Jankees, Minnesota screenshots are AWESOME and your two tone livery is awesome too!!

Regards,

Aharon

[hairyspin]

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll173/hairyspin/Manfred01_zps4lopirev.jpg

[Milton Shupe]

Manfred and team, amazing work on such a great project. Love the quality you deliver. :applause:

[TiAr]

Yes I also enjoy this work. Simply great - thanks to the team.

http://up.picr.de/22171027we.jpg

I started HB-ILW repaint, which is nearly finished. It shows CN 16765 in Balair HB-ILW livery. After a photo on www.bsl-mlh-planes.net (http://www.bsl-mlh-planes.net) dated February 1969, by Hanspeter Haas, showing the aircraft at Basle-Mulhouse LFSB. Operated for ICRC in Biafra-crisis with civil registration until 1970. After operation, a/c went back to USAF. Status of this plane is unknown. The sistership HB-ILY is displayed in Davis-Monthan AFB (DMA/KDMA), Tucson/Arizona also wearing old Balair cls.

Thomas

[gray eagle]

Does the FSX Boeing C-97 V.1 Beta now come with the patch 1 and patch 2? I have all this stuff and am just trying to keep up with it all in case I want to make a backup DVD.
I have the V.1 Beta and three patches.

[DaveB]

All current patches are integrated into the C97 release with the exception of patch#3.. this only came out today.:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Aharon]

TiAr, your livery is AWESOME/:encouragement::encouragement:

[gray eagle]

All current patches are integrated into the C97 release with the exception of patch#3.. this only came out today.:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

Ahh thanks for the info. So for now, only patch #3 needs manual install to bring it up to date. :encouragement:
Thanks.

[WarHorse47]

I'm not able to get the ramp to display.

The ramp icon has the tool tip stating "Ramp mid = show else up/down for Cargo Ramp (Door 03)." I have no idea what that is saying. I have Door 03 open, but no ramp. The readme indicates that the tailhook key should also allow the ramp to work, but it doesn't on my setup.

Not sure what I'm missing here.

[Portia911]

I'm not able to get the ramp to display.

The ramp icon has the tool tip stating "Ramp mid = show else up/down for Cargo Ramp (Door 03)." I have no idea what that is saying. I have Door 03 open, but no ramp. The readme indicates that the tailhook key should also allow the ramp to work, but it doesn't on my setup.

Not sure what I'm missing here.

Post # 17 (?)

[glh]

Outstanding work by the KC-97 team. Congratulations on a superb product.

I'm curious. Under the [Contact Points] section, point 23 is listed as an "Artificial Water Rudder". Enlighten me on what is happening here. Thank You.

[WND]

I'm not able to get the ramp to display.

The ramp icon has the tool tip stating "Ramp mid = show else up/down for Cargo Ramp (Door 03)." I have no idea what that is saying. I have Door 03 open, but no ramp. The readme indicates that the tailhook key should also allow the ramp to work, but it doesn't on my setup.

Not sure what I'm missing here.

Hey Warhorse:

If you would be so kind as to read the #17 'post' I did, it might help ya resolve your issue. (Apparently quite a few folks don't have their 'middle' button on there mouse programmed - which could possibly be the issue)

As far as your 'tail hook' command not operating, I have found on my system that the 'ramps' had to be showing and then my 'TH command' worked fine - if they weren't showing, than the 'command' wouldn't work.. I actually forget about that command - I end up doing everything from the 'monitor panel' - for me it's easier than trying to remember everything - what key stroke does what etc etc !!! lol

Bill

[WarHorse47]

Hey Warhorse:

If you would be so kind as to read the #17 'post' I did, it might help ya resolve your issue. (Apparently quite a few folks don't have their 'middle' button on there mouse programmed - which could possibly be the issue)

As far as your 'tail hook' command not operating, I have found on my system that the 'ramps' had to be showing and then my 'TH command' worked fine - if they weren't showing, than the 'command' wouldn't work.. I actually forget about that command - I end up doing everything from the 'monitor panel' - for me it's easier than trying to remember everything - what key stroke does what etc etc !!! lol

Bill
Okay. Thanks, Bill.

After 7 or 8 tries, I finally got it to work. The middle button on the mouse was set to zoom as default.

I think that part of my issue was the size of the main panel. It's pretty small on my install due to my graphic settings, so after I expanded it I was able to hit the right hot spot to get the ramp to show.

[mjahn]

Good morning all, and many thanks again for the posts here, especially those by fellow developers and repainters. This project would still be a gleam in the eye if it weren't for the massive knowledge base made freely and generously available here and elsewehere. When I started out constructing an aircraft for FS9 I didn't even know how to do a prop blade, until looking up Milton's files showed me how...

Taking up some of the comments made here, perhaps I can say something about the hidden rationale of some features. Yes, the Monitor gauge uses the left, right and middle mouse buttons in a variety of ways, and I particularly hope mid clicks are possible even if the mouse wheel is set up for zooming. One of these functions is to 'arm' the Reverse function. Once REV is armed (highlighted under Monitor > Engines > Throttle) you can activate it even in the air (strongly forbidden and guarded by a lock in the real plane, except for extreme emergencies). To experiment, try it at a safe height and speed, then arm, activate, open throttles, and watch your speed decay at an alarming rate. Then mid-click the Throttle value to go back to 100 percent and recover. Now, for a more realistic emergency scenario, choose a really short runway, do an approach, arm Reverse, and when still a few feet above the runway, activate reverse and open Throttle. You won't need more than a few hundred feet to come to a full stop. Now, the reason why we have a 'water rudder' setting in the aircraft cfg is that this a programmable key which you can assign to a joystick button. While the Strat doesn't have a water rudder you can 'capture' the water rudder keypress and make it do something else -- and for the Strat we have programmed it to activate guess what -- Reverse. Now you can forget about fiddling with the mouse in an emergency landing. Just concentrate on your approach, and hit the 'water rudder' joystick button to engage reverse when you feel the time is right.

Admittedly, the current tendency in the Monitor gauge is that it is overpermissive to an extent that sometimes borders on absurdity. Of course there is some discussion about this in the team. For instance, if you want to fly without pilots, hit the Avionics master switch and they are gone. Or if you want to taxi or even fly with steps and chocks set, okay, be our guest. Or if you want to let down the rear ramps spang through the rear doors, go ahead, it'sa your lookout. The reason the ramps are sometimes blocked and not showing is this. We want to be able to fly the Strat with the rear doors open in order to drop parachutists or equipment -- don't want any ramps obstructing the doors then. That is why if we need the ramps we must make them show up first (by a mid-click, again), and then they will unfold via tailhook etc. (in flight, too, if you insist on it).

Of course, at some later date we are going to implement some sort of error sensitivity and punishment, perhaps as an optional level of expertise. (Ranging from 'entry' level to 'masochist'?)

Now I'll have to run and check whether my hints above on clicks and keys are really accurate...you'd be surprised to see how often I have to check my own tool tips...

[glh]

[QUOTE]... Now, the reason why we have a 'water rudder' setting in the aircraft cfg is that this a programmable key which you can assign to a joystick button. While the Strat doesn't have a water rudder you can 'capture' the water rudder keypress and make it do something else -- and for the Strat we have programmed it to activate guess what -- Reverse. Now you can forget about fiddling with the mouse in an emergency landing. Just concentrate on your approach, and hit the 'water rudder' joystick button to engage reverse when you feel the time is right. ...
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Ingenious. Thanks for the reply.

[Duckie]

Just uploaded my 1st C-97 Stratofreighter. Should be available soon. Thanks to Bill Davidson (WND) for the information regarding an aircraft his brother flew and the inspiration for this repaint. Salute to Bill, and his brother Donald for his service.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/NH_ANG1_zpsn81f5bdc.jpg

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/NH_ANG2_zps1qmos2jd.jpg

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/NH_ANG3_zpswhd6biyo.jpg

[Aharon]

Duckie, AWESOME LIVERY!!!! :applause::applause::very_drunk:

[gray eagle]

Hint...Hint.....


http://www.1999.co.jp/itbig25/10253977p.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/C-97_stratofreighter_041116-F-9999R-002.jpg


http://www.vosen.de/images_2010/HM_C97_MATS_48399.jpg

[gray eagle]

http://www.adamjets.com/images/HLUSF4004.jpg



Emblem of MATS

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$%28KGrHqJ,!iQE3R-orGKpBOITOvB!sw~~0_35.JPG

[Duckie]

GE, you mean like this?

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/MATS_zpsowlnxtae.jpg

[gray eagle]

GE, you mean like this?

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/MATS_zpsowlnxtae.jpg

Ohhhhh Yeah!!!!......Yowza Yowza Yowza :encouragement::adoration:

[TiAr]

Thank you Manfred for info update and your repaint-kit. It is very usable. I didn´t noticed any issues with my very old photopaint. Wonderful!

In the meantime, the Stratofreighter C-97G Balair HB-ILW repaint is finished. I will upload it the next days.

http://up.picr.de/22182553nh.jpg

http://up.picr.de/22182555hm.jpg

http://up.picr.de/22182556qk.jpg


Thomas

[dmq]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23862&stc=1

[Alan_A]

Thanks to all the repainters, but @TiAr, huge personal thanks for the Red Cross paint. I've been hoping somebody would take that on since long before Manfred started on the (K)C-97 project, back when there were a couple of improvised freighters being done for the A2A B377. I love doing relief flights, and I'm much happier to have this paint available for an authentic, functional C-97. Most appreciated! Looking forward to downloading and flying.

[Hanimichal]

by me only one, for civil flights

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/06/09/2015-6-8_19-54-11-596.jpg

[gray eagle]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23862&stc=1

Nice! :encouragement:

[TiAr]

Thanks to all the repainters, but @TiAr, huge personal thanks for the Red Cross paint. I've been hoping somebody would take that on since long before Manfred started on the (K)C-97 project, back when there were a couple of improvised freighters being done for the A2A B377. I love doing relief flights, and I'm much happier to have this paint available for an authentic, functional C-97. Most appreciated! Looking forward to downloading and flying.

For all relief flying pilots, the Balair HB-ILW repaint is uploaded in SOH lib, see FSX Civilian prop skins.

[fsxar177]

Some of you guys might appreciate this;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uOXPgiIkbA&feature=youtu.be

- Joseph

[DaveB]

Nice find Joseph:encouragement:

I didn't hear any sound on that clip. Did the crew get out?
ATB
DaveB:)

[WhiskeyEcho]

Sound fine here Dave.

[Aharon]

Did KC-97 or C-97 ever operate in USAF bases in Puerto Rico and if so, did they wear Puerto Rico liveries? USAF jet fighters used to be based in TJSJ along with USAF cargo planes and USAF tankers.

Regards,

Aharon

[txnetcop]

Nice find Joseph:encouragement:

I didn't hear any sound on that clip. Did the crew get out?
ATB
DaveB:)

According to this newspaper the crew was rescued:

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8889/17996779434_aa9d9ba669_b.jpg

[DaveB]

Cheers Ted:encouragement: Difficult to tell from that if they were all rescued but there's no mention of fatalities. Good work from the rescue teams by the looks of it;)

ATB
DaveB:)

[manfredc3]

Very nice video.

[DaveB]

By some coincidence.. we had a guy (Mike) who registered at CBFS today who was involved with diving on that wreck. I've pointed him here and he's registered but can't post at the moment. Here's his first post at CBFS..


Hi-
I stumbled across this website looking for information on color schemes for KC-97 Stratofreighters (Stratotankers?). We recently dived an unknown wreck off Cape Canaveral, Florida, that turned out to be a Boeing KC-97F-17-BO Stratofreighter. Due to the rarity of crashes of this aircraft type in this area, we were able to quickly identify the airframe as USAF Serial Number 51-363 (Manufacturer's Serial Number 16430) that was lost during a ditching due to engine issues on March 30, 1960. Unfortunately three crew died in the event.
In any case, I am trying to learn more about this aircraft, and in particular what she may have looked like before her demise. You can see Dayglo paint on the nose, which I read was introduced by the USAF on its tankers in the late 1950s to increase visibility.
It seems quite a few members here are experienced at producing brilliant renderings of aircraft. I am not sure if this is appropriate, but would anyone be interested in trying to do a period-correct rendering (perhaps with the actual serial and squadron number) of this particular KC-97? I would love to be able to see what this exact aircraft might have looked like in her prime, and perhaps gain permission to use that image for presentations I may give on this wreck.
Right now, we are researching the aircraft and looking to reach out to potential surviving crew members and their families to learn more about this incident, as well as inquiring about archival information, crash reports, etc.
For those that might be curious, here is a link to footage of the wrecked aircraft:

<!-- m -->https://youtu.be/5uOXPgiIkbA<!-- m -->

She rests in 111 meters of water and is quite a challenging dive.
Thanks in advance for any information anyone can share on this aircraft and its color schemes, etc.
Cheers,
Mike

Painters standby:biggrin-new::encouragement:
ATB
DaveB:)

[DaveB]

Cheers Ted:encouragement: Difficult to tell from that if they were all rescued but there's no mention of fatalities. Good work from the rescue teams by the looks of it;)

ATB
DaveB:)

Seems there were 2 fatalities but that in itself is remarkable.. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19600330-0

ATB
DaveB:)

[DaveQ]

51-0363 probably operated with the 376th Air Refuelling Squadron which was on rotation to Stephenville-Ernest Harmon AFB in Newfoundland from Barksdale TX at the time. The nose clearly shows Arctic Red paint which is consistent with use out of S-EH. Aside from the standard red wing-tips and rear fuselage band, any other decoration would have to be speculative though. As an added 'geeky' thing, the F's didn't carry under-wing tanks so a paint would be on the basis of nearly right...!

Going away at the weekend and still working on the HH Tempest VI, but will do one soonest since it only involves changing numbers.

DaveQ

[Roger]

By some coincidence.. we had a guy (Mike) who registered at CBFS today who was involved with diving on that wreck. I've pointed him here and he's registered but can't post at the moment. Here's his first post at CBFS..



Painters standby:biggrin-new::encouragement:
ATB
DaveB:)

What's his handle Dave? I'll sort out his posting issue if I have a name.

[DaveB]

Hiya Roger:wavey:

I'm not sure what he's joined as here but at CBFS, he's barney00 and his email address is linked to tampabay.rr.com ;)

ATB
DaveB:)

[Duckie]

One more WIP. Closing in on it! Still have to do new ALPHAs. Maybe by late weekend.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/MATS_WIP_zpscydc6z4x.png

[Aharon]

Super awesome, duckie

[gray eagle]

That is looking good Duckie. :encouragement::applause:

I did notice one small item, I didn't see any MATS logo on the rear area of some pictures of the real deal, I found one pic
without the MATS logo on aft fuselage. Some did, but had US AIR FORCE on the front section of fuselage. I think back in the '50's
they looked like this and shortly thereafter, they put the mats logo on the aft section of the fuselage with US AIR FORCE on the
front section of the fuselage. What is confusing; I see other aircraft types that have on front and rear like this connie...and it does
look nice.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/C-97_stratofreighter_041116-F-9999R-002.jpg

http://www.conniesurvivors.com/pictures/N494TW-15Nov97-1.jpg

[gray eagle]

Here I found a C97 Mats with the MATS logo on the rear and US Air Force on the front of fuselage. On a search for any MATS aircraft, I found exception to all this.
Over the years, The USAF must of made changes on their paint schemes. :bee:

http://www.c141heaven.info/dotcom/matsbook/images/c97.jpg

[Duckie]

That is looking good Duckie. :encouragement::applause:

I did notice one small item, I didn't see any MATS logo on the rear area of some pictures of the real deal, I found one pic
without the MATS logo on aft fuselage. Some did, but had US AIR FORCE on the front section of fuselage. I think back in the '50's
that looked like this and shortly thereafter, they put the mats logo on the aft section of the fuselage with US AIR FORCE on the
front section of the fuselage. What is confusing; I see other aircraft types that have on front and rear like this connie.

Google c-97 Photovalet. And look at the photo of 92590, the one I doing. I would post the pic here but it is copy righted.

[gray eagle]

Google c-97 Photovalet. And look at the photo of 92590, the one I doing. I would post the pic here but it is copy righted.

I just did, and to my surprise I see what you mean. :adoration:

Wow, what a find! You really found a good one to model after. :applause:

Thanks Duckie for the HU. :wavey:

[gray eagle]

One more WIP. Closing in on it! Still have to do new ALPHAs. Maybe by late weekend.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/MATS_WIP_zpscydc6z4x.png
You da man!!! :applause::encouragement:

[Aharon]

Can any talented please please please be kind enough to paint this livery as seen below for C-97 and KC-97? Thanks. IAF first used that livery for KC-97 but switched to no name livery later.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/anak/anak_1.jpg

http://www.aviationmegastore.com/img/prod/full/b/a/84330_0.jpg

In both C-97 and KC-97 please as it is one painting for two planes at same time, please

Thanks a zillion.:encouragement::encouragement:

Regards,

Aharon

[TiAr]

Aharon, I found one new...

http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/topic/22742-asia-manfred-jahns-boeing-kc-97-israeli-defence-force-39/

Thomas

[Aharon]

Aharon, I found one new...

http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/topic/22742-asia-manfred-jahns-boeing-kc-97-israeli-defence-force-39/

Thomas

Hi Thomas,

Thanks but yes I have that since last month. Israeli air force used two different liveries for KC-97s and C-97s. World famous Jankees was kind enough to paint one of them which I immediately downloaded onto my FSX one second after Jankees uploaded his masterpiece onto Internet aviation sites.

Thanks anyway. At least your provided link is good for anyone who cannot find the IAF livery that he or she wants.

Regards,

Aharon

[usafvet]

Perhaps we can get the talented painters to tackle these on the C-97 airframe:

HC-97G (Both aircraft are from the 303rd ARRS March AFB also the 305th ARRS Selfridge had HC-97's)
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23987&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23989&stc=1

EC-97G (7405th Support Sqn Wiesbaden)
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23988&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23990&stc=1

Thanks

[michael.barnette]

51-0363 probably operated with the 376th Air Refuelling Squadron which was on rotation to Stephenville-Ernest Harmon AFB in Newfoundland from Barksdale TX at the time. The nose clearly shows Arctic Red paint which is consistent with use out of S-EH. Aside from the standard red wing-tips and rear fuselage band, any other decoration would have to be speculative though. As an added 'geeky' thing, the F's didn't carry under-wing tanks so a paint would be on the basis of nearly right...!

Going away at the weekend and still working on the HH Tempest VI, but will do one soonest since it only involves changing numbers.

DaveQ

That would be incredible - thanks Dave!
It would be great to see what this aircraft looked like in her prime!
We are still getting information on this loss, but it appears that there were 3 fatalities - amazing there were not more given this happened at night and in March when the seas could be very rough in that area. Additional reports indicate the aircraft stayed afloat for a while, and the ditching information in the KC-97 manual supports that this was apparently an inherently buoyant aircraft.
FWIW, we think the tail is in close proximity. Given the very clean break, when she eventually flooded and went under, water pressure likely broke that section off and it planed away from the rest of the wreckage.
Thanks again everyone!
Cheers,
Mike

[dmq]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23996&stc=1

[IFlySWA]

Looks great Dave! :biggrin-new:

Brian

[mjahn]

USAFvet: I am working on the HC-97. Hadn't come across your picture, and it is very useful. The "That Others May Live" badge can be found on the net. One question, what is that ventral blister, could it be a lifeboat?

Oh, and 30106 I saw in the flesh many times. The Russians used to stalk her and called her the "electric bird"... the cold war being what it was in the Berlin area (not so very cold) they were always just waiting for the EC-97's to exceed 3,000 ft altitude, or tresspass from the corridors, ready to shoot them down if they did.

"an inherently buoyant aircraft" (Mike calls her above) -- what an apt description!

[gray eagle]

http://i60.tinypic.com/neuuir.jpg

[mjahn]

That's an interesting picture, good find. I am also interested in doing that kind of ground power unit. If I can get a GPU connection going we could have one with the release of the HC version.

[gray eagle]

A former KC-97, 52-2718 is one of two of the only remaining airworthy C-97's in the world

http://www.spiritoffreedom.org/C-97FlypastFullsize.jpg


Berlin Airlift Historical Foundation's C-97 "Angel of Deliverance" getting it's engines started for the first time since it arrived at Floyd Bennett Field in Brooklyn, NY
formerly Grace Air Ltd Boeing C-97G Stratocruiser N117GA (s/n 52-2718), 'Spirit of Corpus Christi'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOm4lIFwF0Y

[gray eagle]

Grace Air Ltd Boeing C-97G Stratocruiser N117GA (s/n 52-2718), 'Spirit of Corpus Christi', fires up all four massive Pratt & Whitney R-4360B Wasp Major radial engines for yet another salmon run to Bethel Alaska. ( Kenai Airport - June 1994). This a/c is now with the Berlin Airlift Historical Foundation (BAHF)at Floyd Bennet Field NY and has been renamed 'Angel of Deliverance'..!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMofgibpij8

[gray eagle]

Onboard Grace Air Ltd Boeing C-97G Stratocruiser N117GA (s/n 52-2718), for a flight from Kenai to Bethel in order to pick up a fresh load of Salmon, destined for the Kenai processing plant (June 1994)
With kind permission of Andre van Loon, for his excellent cockpit footage!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITo4n9UlsGM

[gray eagle]

Interesting info on the BOEING C-97G 52-2718 "Angel of Deliverance" History



http://www.spiritoffreedom.org/c97.html (http://www.spiritoffreedom.org/c97.html)

[Aharon]

Gray Eagle, thanks for information on Alaska cargo flight!! You practically gave everybody a great idea to use this salmon delivery run flight as way of practicing C-97 or KC-97 flying!!!

Regards,

Aharon

[ekkaihla]

First of all, a huge Thank You for Manfred and his team for yet another great add-on! Just had a brief test flight and I am sure there will be many more hours spent enjoying this aircraft. Thanks also for all the skilled re-painters!

Unfortunately I'm not skilled enough to create any additional liveries, but I though I would share a one resource which I have come across and which I thought might be of some interest. It is a Japanese website (though perfectly navigable in English) containing a collection of photos taken by Japanese spotters during the years. I'll include a link below for the C-97 page. Most of the photos are small and B&W, but few color ones as well.

http://www.gonavy.jp/bbs2-c97f.html

Best regards,
-Esa

[Duckie]

Thanks for the Link, ekkaihla. Got my next paint from there!
Speaking of paints, this one's done. Just have to package it and upload it.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/MATS-1_zpszrallory.jpg

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/MATS-2_zpsmegyhbgl.jpg

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/MATS-3_zps3jxeo7jv.jpg

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/MATS-4_zpsxvkexao2.jpg

[Duckie]

NEXT.....:adoration:

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/GA_zpswx7v2yn1.jpg

[gray eagle]

Thanks for the Link, ekkaihla. Got my next paint from there!
Speaking of paints, this one's done. Just have to package it and upload it.







http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/MATS-4_zpsxvkexao2.jpg

Duckie,

You did one bang up job on this one :encouragement: Looking forward to flying this soon. Thanks for painting it. :adoration:

[usafvet]

OK, Manfred, the ventral blister is the light bar left over from her "KC" days. Some were removed, some left on. I found a website that explained the entire conversion to the HC,
http://www.scribd.com/doc/60154049/HC-97G-Factsheet#scribd

On that, I found some of the squadrons/bases number/tail numbers:

55th/58th ARS Wheelus (3) 52-2618, 52-2783, 53-0134
76th ARS Hickam (5) 52-2661, 52-2665, 52-2806, 53-0126, 53-0161
303rd ARS March (9) 52-0916, 52-2617, 52-2714, 52-2739, 52-2791, 52-2797, 53-0115, 53-0122, 53-0131,
305th ARS Selfridge (8) 52-2716, 52-2754, 52-2784, 53-0117, 53-0165, 53-0170, 53-0173, 53-0174

This was from AMARC.

They were also at Pease, Kindley AFB, Bermuda (55th ARS), Ashiha AB Japan, Clark AB PI (31st ARS), Eielson AB, AK, (71st ARS)

A few more pics:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24032&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24033&stc=1

Thanks.....

[ejoiner]

NEXT.....:adoration:

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/GA_zpswx7v2yn1.jpg

GA ANG.... :) way to go Duckie!!!

[Duckie]

Super awesome, duckie

Thank you Aharon.



Duckie,

You did one bang up job on this one :encouragement: Looking forward to flying this soon. Thanks for painting it.:

Thanks GE, should be another day maybe 2. Working on a new prop disk for the black prop blades on this one.


GA ANG.... :) way to go Duckie!!!

...:encouragement: :adoration:

[jankees]

I found the time to finish and upload my two paints, now available on OZX (http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=user_activity&search_app=downloads&mid=750)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18065.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18065.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18071.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18071.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18075.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18075.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18079.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18079.jpg.html)

[ce_zeta]

Wow! great repaints!!!

[Bomber_12th]

Thank you everyone for the excellent repaints that are being made and released for this aircraft...in particular, Jan Kees, that MN Air Guard example is going to be my go-to for sure. ; ) Thank you very, very much!

[DaveQ]

Here is KC-97F 51-0363 as requested by Mike Barnette after his dive to the wreck. Livery a bit speculative but most photos show active units in the late '50's-early 60's with Arctic Red on nose, wing tips and a rear fuselage band. Clearly the wing tanks shouldn't be there but gives Mike an idea as to how she looked before she went into the water. Not got time to upload before I go away, will finish and post when I get back.

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/DaveQ-photos/KC-97%20Red%203_zpsuwuizhhr.jpg

DaveQ

[DaveB]

Nice job Dave. I'm sure Mike will be chuffed to bits:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Roger]

[QUOTE=gray eagle;959526]A former KC-97, 52-2718 is one of two of the only remaining airworthy C-97's in the world

http://www.spiritoffreedom.org/C-97FlypastFullsize.jpg


Berlin Airlift Historical Foundation's C-97 "Angel of Deliverance" getting it's engines started for the first time since it arrived at Floyd Bennett Field in Brooklyn, NY
formerly Grace Air Ltd Boeing C-97G Stratocruiser N117GA (s/n 52-2718), 'Spirit of Corpus Christi'

This would make a fantastic repaint but unfortunately I have no repainting skills!

[gray eagle]

[QUOTE=gray eagle;959526]A former KC-97, 52-2718 is one of two of the only remaining airworthy C-97's in the world

http://www.spiritoffreedom.org/C-97FlypastFullsize.jpg


Berlin Airlift Historical Foundation's C-97 "Angel of Deliverance" getting it's engines started for the first time since it arrived at Floyd Bennett Field in Brooklyn, NY
formerly Grace Air Ltd Boeing C-97G Stratocruiser N117GA (s/n 52-2718), 'Spirit of Corpus Christi'

This would make a fantastic repaint but unfortunately I have no repainting skills!

I concur, this would be IMHO the "cherry on top" for the MJ C97 series!!!! :encouragement::adoration:

[DaveB]

I'll 3rd that:encouragement: Always nice to have survivors represented and this particular one deserves its place on our HD's;)
ATB
DaveB:)

[gray eagle]

I'll 3rd that:encouragement: Always nice to have survivors represented and this particular one deserves its place on our HD's;)
ATB
DaveB:)

I agree, what a nice way to commemorate it's service to the Berlin Airlift.

[napamule]

I found this:
Grace Air Boeing C-97G (N117GA), 'Spirit of Chorpus Christi': (3:33) by 'mprophet100', Jan 14, 2010.
https://youtu.be/NCc4LkvvFYo

Hope this helps.
Chuck B
Napamule

[Duckie]

Very nice Jan Kees and DaveQ! Great additions to the Freight hangar! :encouragement: :encouragement:

[jankees]

If no one else does the angel, I will, but patience, please...

[jankees]

A former KC-97, 52-2718 is one of two of the only remaining airworthy C-97's in the world

which is the other one then?

[gray eagle]

If no one else does the angel, I will, but patience, please...


Thanks Jankees for the offer :encouragement::adoration:

I now have something to look forward too and patience. :encouragement::adoration:

[gray eagle]

which is the other one then?

I don't know, good question. I was going on what this link said

http://www.spiritoffreedom.org/c97.html


I would think maybe Bomber_12th would know this one - right John? :adoration:

[NAVY DOC]

Looks great guys!
Could there possibly be a KC-97L in the future? Maybe?


Thanks,
S.

[michael.barnette]

Here is KC-97F 51-0363 as requested by Mike Barnette after his dive to the wreck. Livery a bit speculative but most photos show active units in the late '50's-early 60's with Arctic Red on nose, wing tips and a rear fuselage band. Clearly the wing tanks shouldn't be there but gives Mike an idea as to how she looked before she went into the water. Not got time to upload before I go away, will finish and post when I get back.

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/DaveQ-photos/KC-97%20Red%203_zpsuwuizhhr.jpg

DaveQ

INCREDIBLE - thanks so much!!!!

[gray eagle]

If no one else does the angel, I will, but patience, please...

Jankees,

Some one did a paint the angel but for A2A B377

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?85326-b377_c97_aod-zip

[Bomber_12th]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/kc-97_1_zpskclnnhmd.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/kc-97_1_zpskclnnhmd.jpg.html)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/kc-97_2_zpsfzwkf8aq.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/kc-97_2_zpsfzwkf8aq.jpg.html)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/kc-97_3_zps6xp6kpi1.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/kc-97_3_zps6xp6kpi1.jpg.html)

[gray eagle]

A number of KC-97s survive, at least two of which are potentially airworthy: 52-2718 / N117GA Angel of Deliverance operated by the Berlin Airlift Historical Foundation.,[31] and N1365N known as Tanker 97 and operated until recently as an aerial firefighting airtanker by Hawkins & Powers.

(Scroll to the Survivors section)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-97_Stratofreighter#Survivors

Tanker 97

http://www.oldprops.ukhome.net/C97%20N1365N%20d2.jpg
1365N KC97L 15938 Hawkins and Powers, Greybull, Wyoming, USA 10/97 Also see below.

http://www.oldprops.ukhome.net/C97%20N1365N%20d3.jpg

How's that for data mining and research Bomber_12th (John) ? :untroubled:

Tanker 97 might make for a good repaint. Never seen that one before........

[Bomber_12th]

Contrary to what some reports/online websites may state, there really aren't any KC-97's currently flying at all at this time. The only one close to it is the Berlin Airlift Foundation's "Angel of Deliverance", as already has been noted, but it hasn't flown in 14 years. Since then, it has been under intensive maintenance/restoration to fly again, which it is finally getting very near to, but the Foundation still needs a lot of financial support to make that happen.

[HvyEng]

Howdy Everyone,

Progress continues on the BAHF Angel of Deliverance, 52-2718. I worked on it from 1999-2011, if you watch the gear test videos I was at the FE panel and later the hand crank in the back. All four engines & props have been re hung and ran, but there are some certification issues with the FAA right now.

XA-PII, 53-3816, was the last KC-97 built and the last viable option for an as-is flyable C-97. Unfortunately, no one stepped up to undertake a project, and it was auctioned off in 2003. The BAHF purchased it, scavenged as many useable parts (including engines) as possible and sold the hulk for scrap. Many parts from 53-3816 are now in 52-2718.

The Hawkins & Powers assets, including N1365N "Tanker 97", were sold off around 2004. Tanker 97 was purchased by Clay Lacy for conversion into a 377 clone. They mated the belly from 53-0208 (N397HP) to it because of the retardant tanks installed in N1365N. The project has stalled, I haven’t heard any updates in over year.

There is also a group in Europe with the same plan:
http://stratocruiser.org/plans.html


On another topic, the fairing on the belly of the HC-97G housed the fuel dump mast.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24088&stc=1

--Dan

[jankees]

well, I've started...
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18088.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18088.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18090.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18090.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18091.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18091.jpg.html)

but not sure if I can finish today..

[gray eagle]

well, I've started...


http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18090.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18090.jpg.html)



but not sure if I can finish today..



Wow, that was fast.....:encouragement::adoration:

[Roger]

Fantastic!

[jankees]

Here (http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/5243-manfred-jahns-boeing-c-97-usaf-angel-of-deliverance/) you go:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18102.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18102.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18113.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18113.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18107.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18107.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18121.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18121.jpg.html)

Let's hope I wasn't too fast, if you find any errors, let me know and I'll fix them after my return.

[Aharon]

Jankees is superman of flight simming!!!!:biggrin-new::biggrin-new:

[TiAr]

Another one dedicated to "Angel of Deliverence" and the Berlin Airlift Historical Foundaton. Just finished.

http://up.picr.de/22236896oo.jpg

http://up.picr.de/22236902ks.jpg

http://up.picr.de/22236903oj.jpg

Boeing C-97G Stratofreighter, cn 17089, 53-3816, in the colors of AeroPacifico XA-PII. It was the last C-97G built. Operated for Bimbo Bread Company, Mexico. 2003, a/c was partly scrapped in Tuscon/Arizona. Most of parts are sold to Berlin Airlift Historical Foundaton to be used for N117GA "Angel Of Deliverence".

[IFlySWA]

Jankees is superman of flight simming!!!!:biggrin-new::biggrin-new:
Agreed. :encouragement: "Faster than a speeding bullet." :biggrin-new:

Brian

[Bomber_12th]

Jan Kees, the repaint of "Angel of Deliverance" is looking great! Just the red on the tail/wings is a bit off. It should match the same as the insignia red in the stars & bars, as seen in the photos below (including a color chip). It's the same case with the blue markings being applied using insignia blue, just the same as the stars & bars.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th009/insignia_red_zpst0fplfit.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th009/insignia_red_zpst0fplfit.jpg.html)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th008/10873971_10204380982317637_1424078761_o_zpsjibdzfu d.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th008/10873971_10204380982317637_1424078761_o_zpsjibdzfu d.jpg.html)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th008/1522981_10205703150632709_5313745334123280299_o_zp sswdgtgwx.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th008/1522981_10205703150632709_5313745334123280299_o_zp sswdgtgwx.jpg.html)

[jankees]

Ha, there you go, being colorblind is a bit of a handicap when painting aircraft. I lifted the color of a pic I had, never saw the difference...
I'll upload a new version when I get back, next weekend or so.

[Bomber_12th]

Just looking out for ya, buddy! ; ) I look forward to flying it in the sim when you have it ready/released. I've been really enjoying your MN ANG scheme.

[Roger]

Loving it anyway!

http://i.imgbox.com/z9Y5ECgt.jpg (http://imgbox.com/z9Y5ECgt)

http://i.imgbox.com/vHypPLDY.jpg (http://imgbox.com/vHypPLDY)

http://i.imgbox.com/nN1GpKJY.jpg (http://imgbox.com/nN1GpKJY)

[gray eagle]

Jan Kees, the repaint of "Angel of Deliverance" is looking great! Just the red on the tail/wings is a bit off. It should match the same as the insignia red in the stars & bars, as seen in the photos below (including a color chip). It's the same case with the blue markings being applied using insignia blue, just the same as the stars & bars.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th009/insignia_red_zpst0fplfit.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th009/insignia_red_zpst0fplfit.jpg.html)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th008/10873971_10204380982317637_1424078761_o_zpsjibdzfu d.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th008/10873971_10204380982317637_1424078761_o_zpsjibdzfu d.jpg.html)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th008/1522981_10205703150632709_5313745334123280299_o_zp sswdgtgwx.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th008/1522981_10205703150632709_5313745334123280299_o_zp sswdgtgwx.jpg.html)

John,

I guess I could use your red color swatch and fill in the old red with that - how about the blue stripe on the fuselage? Is that the correct shade?


How about this for insigna blue?

http://www.history.navy.mil/content/dam/nhhc/research/histories/naval-aviation/insignias/acins11.gif

[gray eagle]

http://www.cybermodeler.com/color/ana_matrix.shtml

[HvyEng]

N117GA (52-2718), “Angel of Deliverance” is painted similarly to 45-59595, but the colors do not match. Tim Chop (the foundation president) elected to use a brighter red on the wings and tail, and a blue wing and stripe. The real 45-59595 used AN insignia red for the wings and tail, and willow green for the wing and stripe. Tim didn’t like the green, and chose blue instead; unfortunately, Minicraft and Corgi took pictures of 52-2718, and made their kits with the bright red and blue.

If you are painting 45-59595, use Insignia Red and Willow Green, and paint the control surfaces to match. Markings use USAF Font.

If you are painting N117GA as 45-59595, use a brighter red and lighter blue, and leave the control surfaces painted dope silver. Also, the USAF on the fuselage does not use USAF Font.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24110&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24111&stc=1

[HvyEng]

Ice Patch:

An often overlooked detail the C and KC-97 is the ice patch. On each wing, on the leading edge 2/3 of the way between the outboard engine and wingtip, is a patch of flat-black paint. It is the ice warning patch, when it turned grey or shiny, it was indication that ice was forming on the leading edge.

--Dan

[Bomber_12th]

Sorry, I misspoke of the blue paint - there is certainly a difference there - and thank you Dan for the close-up photos to confirm that. The red is certainly the same between the stars & bars and the tail/wings - in a book I have on aircraft markings of the Strategic Air Command (1946-1953), the red tail/wings are always referred to as "insignia red Arctic Markings". In the same book it also mentions the "wing & speed line" marking on the fuselage being green on the original(s), as Dan has stated.

[HvyEng]

John, Any time, I'm glad I could help.

Here is a photo of the original paint on 45-59588:

Its a YC-97 (B-29 tail & R3350 engines), 45-59595 was a YC-97A (B-50 tail & R4360 engines), but they were in the same unit when 45-59595 was used in the Berlin Airlift. Notice the C-54 next door.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24113&stc=1

Grey Eagle, The Airway Graphics decal sheet and the Herpa C-97 use a green wing and line, and are correct for the original.

--Dan

[gray eagle]

John, Any time, I'm glad I could help.

Here is a photo of the original paint on 45-59588:

Its a YC-97 (B-29 tail & R3350 engines), 45-59595 was a YC-97A (B-50 tail & R4360 engines), but they were in the same unit when 45-59595 was used in the Berlin Airlift. Notice the C-54 next door.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24113&stc=1

Grey Eagle, That decal sheet and the Herpa C-97 are correct for the original.

--Dan

This will be interesting to see if Jankees will just tweak the shades of red and blue in the paint he just finished. As far as the "greenies" go, this is news to me.
I couldn't find anything like you show here. I do like the blue color better and it seems like the restored one is red and blue and was just a matter of preference.


I did find this decal set and the shade of blue is lighter on the long stripes then the roundels.

http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/min/images/min_14572_decals.jpg

[Duckie]

Just Uploaded to SOH

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/MATS-Profile_zps5wha7prm.jpg

[gray eagle]

This was a decal sheet for the model with green stripes.
https://s1.scalemates.com/products/img/5/7/9/175579-11761.jpg

[gray eagle]

Just Uploaded to SOH

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/MATS-Profile_zps5wha7prm.jpg

Most excellent!!! Thank you Duckie :encouragement::adoration::very_drunk:

[jankees]

See, this is what happens if you want to be too quick.
I'll revisit the Angel when I get back. First I have to get up tomorrow at 5, drive from Brussels to Delft, then board a bus for Germany with 54 students, take them on a tour of oil reservoir analogs all over northern Germany during the entire week, drive back to Delft, back to Brussels and then sleep it off......and then I may find the time to have a look at the Angel again. You have a week to find more errors... see you guys later

[ce_zeta]

Interesting week Jan.
What oil reservoir analogs will you visit Jan?

[gray eagle]

Loving it anyway!





http://i.imgbox.com/nN1GpKJY.jpg (http://imgbox.com/nN1GpKJY)

Is this one still in the pipeline to be released as is despite issues with colors and other items? I was in no hurry and could of waited and was surprised to see it pop so soon.

[Roger]

It was at OZX where Jan Kees posts his repaints. I don't know if it's still there?

[gray eagle]

It was at OZX where Jan Kees posts his repaints. I don't know if it's still there?

I keep forgetting that is where he posts his works. Thanks for reminding me.


Edit: Yup, still there...I figure Mr Sandman called his name (Early AM over there) and he left it posted.

http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/5243-manfred-jahns-boeing-c-97-usaf-angel-of-deliverance/

[gray eagle]

Based on the color sample John provided, I thought I'd try my hand at changing it to see the results. I didn't do anything else....just the red.




http://i60.tinypic.com/30mo4gn.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/6fm4u8.jpg

[Aharon]

I completed first successful testing flight abroad KC-97 flying one hour and half from Israeli air force base to HE1F and it works well!!

However I have questions that I am aware it would be remote possibility I would missed already asked questions and accompanying answers.

Questions:

I cannot find de-icing buttons???

Do I need to modify aircraft.cfg to get cool touchdown landing tire smokes? I landed and there was very little touchdown smoke.

Do all four mixture control switches operate as one switch instead of four separate switches? Is there any way I can operate four separate mixture switches as I would like to leave two out of four engines running during fast unloading cargo and uploading wounded soldiers in middle of military operation OR I would like to leave two out of four engines running during unloading in sub zero freezing Alaskan weather at Alaskan base?

Thanks,

Aharon

[WND]

Hello Aharon:





Questions:

I cannot find de-icing buttons???

There isn't any at the present time however at some point I believe he will put all the necessary switches in somewhere..


Do I need to modify aircraft.cfg to get cool touchdown landing tire smokes? I landed and there was very little touchdown smoke.

Probably!! I believe your 'effects' folder has several different ones that you can try by going into your 'cfg' file and 'programming' them in - in place of the one that's there..

OR You can just 'chalk' it up as doing such a good landing - your tires didn't need to smoke !!!


Do all four mixture control switches operate as one switch instead of four separate switches? Is there any way I can operate four separate mixture switches as I would like to leave two out of four engines running during fast unloading cargo and uploading wounded soldiers in middle of military operation OR I would like to leave two out of four engines running during unloading in sub zero freezing Alaskan weather at Alaskan base?

If your using the 'mixture' control via the 'monitor panel', then all 4 will work at the same time unless you go to the 'top' of the 'engine monitor panel' and work each individual engine like you do when you do a 'start up'.. Another words, hit 'engine' button that controls the engine you want to stop, then hit your 'mixture cut off' button and that engine stop running, etc etc etc. If you don't do it individually, then all 4 will stop !!

OR

If your sitting in the pilots seat, you can turn to the right about 90* and on top of the 'center console' is a set of 'mixture' controls (the ones that the 'engineer' would work) - you can probably accomplish what you want from there also...

Hope this helps..

Bill

[manfredc3]

Duckie,
Thank you so much for the MATS. I am lovin' it.

Jankees,
Mooie repaint. Enjoy the "oil" trip, and we will see your updated repaint of the USAF when you get to it.

[Duckie]

TiAr...AERO PACIFICO...Nice one! :encouragement:

Gray Eagle and manfredc3 - Glad you like it. Thank you for saying so.

[Aharon]

WND,

Thanks for answers. When I say mixture control switches, I mean four yellow mixture control levels or throttles or whatever you call. Those four yellow levels seem to be operate as single level instead of four separate levels. Is it possible to have those four yellow mixture control levels as four seperate ones instead of a single one?

Regards,

Aharon

[WND]

WND,

Thanks for answers. When I say mixture control switches, I mean four yellow mixture control levels or throttles or whatever you call. Those four yellow levels seem to be operate as single level instead of four separate levels. Is it possible to have those four yellow mixture control levels as four seperate ones instead of a single one?

Regards,

Aharon


Good morning Aharon:

After checking, apparently the 'mixture' controls do not operate the same as the 'throttles' do (they appear to be able to work individually from all 3 of their locations) - right now it appears you can only operate the 'mixtures' separately from the 'monitor' panel..

I will pass along this 'request' to Manfred and we'll see what he comes up with in the near future..

Have a great day..

WND

[Aharon]

WND,

Thanks It is not necessary as I did not realize I could turn off or on any specific engine using cool window monitor panel so that I can taxi from runway to gate or cargo apron using two engines instead of four engines to save fuel. I just thought I had to use each of four yellow mixture control levels for each of engines to turn it off or on.

And since de-ice function has not yet installed on KC-97/C-97, will those planes work in sub zero arctic conditions such as Alaska without having instrumental gauges fail due to lack of pitot tube?

Regards,

Aharon

[mjahn]

Aharon: for the combined de-icing functions see Monitor > Engines > OAT > on/off.

As Dan has noticed, the ice patch on the wings is missing on all paints including mine, duh. I forgot to activate a layer... Here is a pic of the WIP HC-97G. The red circles show where these ice patches should be. I'll add them to my paints in the next update. Sorry about that!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51024107/icewarn.jpg

Repainters: here is a quick an dirty png layer containing only these patches, simply copy/paste to your combined 1/2 texture:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51024107/wingspatch.zip

[Aharon]

Aharon: for the combined de-icing functions see Monitor > Engines > OAT > on/off.

Thanks for letting me know where de-iceing functions are. You are SUPER COOL. :biggrin-new::applause::applause:

Regards,

Aharon

[TiAr]

I reworked Aero Pacifico XA-PII and uploaded it to Library.

http://up.picr.de/22253597lm.jpg

Thank you Manfred for ice patch update, works fine for me.

[jankees]

Interesting week Jan.
What oil reservoir analogs will you visit Jan?
Finally in bed, today the Carboniferous fluvial sands and the Posidonia shale, tomorrow the Rotliegendes.... if this makes any sense to you?

[usafvet]

Aharon: for the combined de-icing functions see Monitor > Engines > OAT > on/off.

As Dan has noticed, the ice patch on the wings is missing on all paints including mine, duh. I forgot to activate a layer... Here is a pic of the WIP HC-97G. The red circles show where these ice patches should be. I'll add them to my paints in the next update. Sorry about that!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51024107/icewarn.jpg

Repainters: here is a quick an dirty png layer containing only these patches, simply copy/paste to your combined 1/2 texture:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51024107/wingspatch.zip

Thank you Manfred, I'm doing my happy dance......she is beautiful!!!!!!

[gray eagle]

Thanks Duckie for the assist on getting those ice patches installed on the wings. :encouragement::adoration::very_drunk:

http://i62.tinypic.com/2vja7og.jpg

[Duckie]

Thanks Duckie for the assist on getting those ice patches installed on the wings.

More than welcome. Glad to help. :ernaehrung004:

[dmq]

A couple of derelict C97s at Stockton back in the 1990s. I don't know if they survived to see further service or not. I recall being inside one though dodging birds that were attacking me in the main cabin.

http://1.t.imgbox.com/Jv2030B4.jpg (http://imgbox.com/Jv2030B4)

[IFlySWA]

Finally in bed, today the Carboniferous fluvial sands and the Posidonia shale, tomorrow the Rotliegendes.... if this makes any sense to you?

Sounds like you're visiting locations from a Star Wars movie. :biggrin-new:

Brian

[huub vink]

Finally in bed, today the Carboniferous fluvial sands and the Posidonia shale, tomorrow the Rotliegendes.... if this makes any sense to you?

Sounds like you are in the South of Germany. However I prefer the Bavarian beer :very_drunk:

Thanks for the repaint, I like it :encouragement:

Cheers,
Huub

[ce_zeta]

Superb Manfred...a HC-97G! :applause:


Finally in bed, today the Carboniferous fluvial sands and the Posidonia shale, tomorrow the Rotliegendes.... if this makes any sense to you?
Yeap, Thanks Jan. :encouragement: I am curious about Petroleum geology in Germany. Enjoy the trip.

[Aharon]

As Dan has noticed, the ice patch on the wings is missing on all paints including mine, duh. I forgot to activate a layer... Here is a pic of the WIP HC-97G. The red circles show where these ice patches should be. I'll add them to my paints in the next update. Sorry about that!

Is it my imagination or is MJahn saying that the ice warning patch is operative on KC-97s and C-97 models by turning grey or shiny if ice is forming on the leading edge?

Regards,

Aharon

[gray eagle]

I think I am beginning to get the knack for adding those ice patches - thanks to Duckie's tutelage :applause:

Here is the CA ANG with the ice patches added.



http://i58.tinypic.com/xkyb77.jpg


http://i59.tinypic.com/mvl1k0.jpg

[jim]

How does one apply the ice patches to the wings?

[gray eagle]

A couple of derelict C97s at Stockton back in the 1990s. I don't know if they survived to see further service or not. I recall being inside one though dodging birds that were attacking me in the main cabin.

http://1.t.imgbox.com/Jv2030B4.jpg (http://imgbox.com/Jv2030B4)

That is such a shame to see old warriors sitting there is such disarray, waiting there fate of becoming future coffee pots, frying pans or FORD F-150's.
The 2015 F150 is made from aluminum, that is why I mentioned it.

Most of us have been shaving with razor blades made from the scrapped Navy ships as well.

[gray eagle]

USAF 30187 (53-0187) of the 19th AREFS, painted in day-glo orange for operations from Sonderstrom Airbase, Greenland in the early '60's. Repaint by Jan Kees Blom for Manfred Jahn's C-97, based on the paintkit by Manfred and team.

I added the ice patches - I guess all C/K 97 variants must of had these ice patches. Hope you don't mind JK , I just used my copy - figure you may want to redo and reissue with the ice patches.

http://i61.tinypic.com/olquo.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/6zvmrk.jpg

[gray eagle]

http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/978/pics/3_1.jpg

[NAVY DOC]

Perfect,
KC-97L in ILLINOIS ANG colors.
Got my vote.

Fingers crossed,
S.

[Duckie]

Just uploaded to SOH Library

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/GA_NG2_zpsdexiyzvc.jpg

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/GA_NG3_zps3lcsyos0.jpg

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/GA_NG5_zpsrneelc0n.jpg

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/GA_NG4_zpsmpobkzzw.jpg

[manfredc3]

Again another beauty, Duckie.

You Jankees and the other repainters make me feel like it is my birthday every other day. Wow, wait..... That would make me age way too fast :biggrin-new:

[Duckie]

Again another beauty, Duckie.

Thanks very much manfred.


Jankees and the other repainters ...

Agreed! Some really good stuff being shared with us. :encouragement:

[Duckie]

One more from me! Still have to add the alphas then it'll be ready.


http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/-2015-jun-17-037_zpsqgmucvei.jpg

[Maj Kong]

Catching up on the progress of this great old bird . logged about 1400 hours in "F" and "G" models. While a very comfortable airplane (especially compared to the B-47) it did have a lot of down time for maintenance. Engine replacements were routine. along with avionics boxes (slide-ins). Landing with three engines was a regular occurrence, and was just "another day at the office"
The data source for aircraft/squadrons/locations is flawed.
Not your fault afvet, I have run across the same kind of goofs:

"55th/58th ARS Wheelus (3) 52-2618, 52-2783, 53-0134
76th ARS Hickam (5) 52-2661, 52-2665, 52-2806, 53-0126, 53-0161
303rd ARS March< wrong (9) 52-0916, 52-2617, 52-2714, 52-2739, 52-2791, 52-2797, 53-0115, 53-0122, 53-0131,
305th ARS Selfridge (8) 52-2716, 52-2754, 52-2784, 53-0117, 53-0165, 53-0170, 53-0173, 53-0174

This was from AMARC.
They were also at Pease, Kindley AFB, Bermuda (55th ARS),<wrong Ashiha AB Japan, Clark AB PI (31st ARS), Eielson AB, AK, (71st ARS)"

March AFB was home of the 22nd AREFS and the 322 AREFS both 15t AF I was in the 22nd until July 1959

The 303rd AREFS was stationed at Kindley AFB, Bermuda and was 8th AF. My crew transferred to the 393rd in July of 1959.

None of this is really important as the project goes. I just can't help putting my "guys" where they belong :untroubled:

[usafvet]

Catching up on the progress of this great old bird . logged about 1400 hours in "F" and "G" models. While a very comfortable airplane (especially compared to the B-47) it did have a lot of down time for maintenance. Engine replacements were routine. along with avionics boxes (slide-ins). Landing with three engines was a regular occurrence, and was just "another day at the office"
The data source for aircraft/squadrons/locations is flawed.
Not your fault afvet, I have run across the same kind of goofs:

"55th/58th ARS Wheelus (3) 52-2618, 52-2783, 53-0134
76th ARS Hickam (5) 52-2661, 52-2665, 52-2806, 53-0126, 53-0161
303rd ARS March< wrong (9) 52-0916, 52-2617, 52-2714, 52-2739, 52-2791, 52-2797, 53-0115, 53-0122, 53-0131,
305th ARS Selfridge (8) 52-2716, 52-2754, 52-2784, 53-0117, 53-0165, 53-0170, 53-0173, 53-0174

This was from AMARC.
They were also at Pease, Kindley AFB, Bermuda (55th ARS),<wrong Ashiha AB Japan, Clark AB PI (31st ARS), Eielson AB, AK, (71st ARS)"

March AFB was home of the 22nd AREFS and the 322 AREFS both 15t AF I was in the 22nd until July 1959

The 303rd AREFS was stationed at Kindley AFB, Bermuda and was 8th AF. My crew transferred to the 393rd in July of 1959.

None of this is really important as the project goes. I just can't help putting my "guys" where they belong :untroubled:


How true....
According to USAF Historical Factsheets (http://www.afhra.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=10641) the 303rd ARS with HC-97's assigned (1965-1972) while assigned to March AFB (Nov 1, 1960-June 30, 1993). They also had KC-97's from 65-66.

According to Rotorhead (http://www.rotorheadsrus.us/documents/55th_rescue_sq_.html)the 55th ARS was assigned to Kindley 1960-1970, and the HC-97 assigned from 1964-1966.

No fight, just stating my sources.

Meanwhile, happy dancing awaiting the HC-97 :wiggle:

We have Georgia, is Missouri coming...?

[TiAr]

Nice update Information - very interesting for me. Thank you very much.

Anyway, there is another civil registration Strat repaint on work. It shows Stratofreighter C-97G N1365N of Hawkins & Powers.

http://up.picr.de/22273360dj.jpg

[Aharon]

For anyone who is interested in seeing how wounded soldiers are loaded into C-97 for airlift out to hospitals


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwrk203pvEY

It is made in 1953 but converted to HD video quality!

Regards,

Aharon

[Aharon]

Maj Kong and USAFVET,

Would either of you know about what kind of liveries were used by KC-97s and C-97s based in USAF air force bases in Puerto Rico?

Regards,

Aharon

[gray eagle]

One more from me! Still have to add the alphas then it'll be ready.


http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/-2015-jun-17-037_zpsqgmucvei.jpg

Why thanks Duckie. I will enjoy flying that one :encouragement::adoration:

[dmq]

Another try...

http://i.imgbox.com/mziG3C4S.jpg

[gaab]

Anyway, there is another civil registration Strat repaint on work. It shows Stratofreighter C-97G N1365N of Hawkins & Powers.

http://up.picr.de/22273360dj.jpg


Any chance to get a Pan Am repaint for this wonderfull aircraft ?
My dream...

[Maj Kong]

Maj Kong and USAFVET,

Would either of you know about what kind of liveries were used by KC-97s and C-97s based in USAF air force bases in Puerto Rico?

Regards,

Aharon

I don't believe there were any KC's assigned to Puerto Rico. My crew flew into Puerto Rico in 1961 or 62 (can't remember why) and I didn't see any. Puerto Rico was a bit off the track for most SAC deployments. Doesn't mean they were not there though. What I DO remember is that there was a U-2 Weather Recon bird sitting unattended in an open hangar. My co-pilot and I had a ball giving it a really good look (we had seen one land at Eilson, AK a couple of years earlier but could.t get a close look). Maybe we were to distracted to see any other KC's :)

As for AF fact sheets I can only say that I was in the 303rd AREFS from July 1959 until June 1962 and we were at Kindley AFB along with an Air Rescue squadron (ARS), a KB-50-J squadron that refueled fighters, And a Weather Recon squadron (can't recall what they flew).

As for KC-97 liveries: Aside from a few with Arctic Day-Glow they were all the same if in SAC......plain Jane with the pretty bow.

[Aharon]

Maj Kong,

Thanks for explanations. I know that some C-97s were at USAF air force bases in Puerto Rico including Ramey AFB.

Regards,

Aharon

[dmq]

I'm uncertain if Missouri flew Stratofreighters or Stratotankers. An easy fix though; still working on the rudder texture


http://i.imgbox.com/H2RuU4Zy.jpg

24253

[Duckie]

Tennessee just uploaded to SOH library

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/TN_ANG3_zpsngusmtey.jpg

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b586/Duckie1021/TN_ANG4_zpskrnbi4vj.jpg

[Duckie]

I'm uncertain if Missouri flew Stratofreighters or Stratotankers. An easy fix though; still working on the rudder texture


http://i.imgbox.com/H2RuU4Zy.jpg

24253

Hey Dave, 52-8035 was a C-97G Stratofreighter and was flown by the Missouri ANG just has you have it depicted. Nice job! :applause: :applause:

[dmq]

Hey Dave, 52-8035 was a C-97G Stratofreighter and was flown by the Missouri ANG just has you have it depicted. Nice job! :applause: :applause:


Thank you, I do not have a list. I have a picture of "30310" when it was underwater at KSTJ due to a flood on the Missouri River. It has 2 tanks atop the fuselage and I am thinking it might have been a tanker, but again I'm uncertain.

24259

[gray eagle]

Aww...Shucky Duckies...Duckie :adoration: It's looking good. I'm flying over KMEM - Memphis Airport. The area below the tail is FED-EX turf (the main hub)


http://i60.tinypic.com/2zgggwi.jpg

[usafvet]

I'm uncertain if Missouri flew Stratofreighters or Stratotankers. An easy fix though; still working on the rudder texture


http://i.imgbox.com/H2RuU4Zy.jpg

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24253&stc=1

They flew Stratofreighters, later had C-130's, flew out of Rosecrans.

[dmq]

They flew Stratofreighters, later had C-130's, flew out of Rosecrans.

Thank you, and Duckie too for that information. That news article says that the underwater C97 was a tanker but I can't tell for sure except for the additional apparatus atop the fuselage that would indicate a tanker.

[thunder100]

http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/978/pics/3_1.jpg

Sorry I should-but could not resist

You mean that ??

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24300&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24301&stc=1


may come in future but there is a lot work before that ,and a challenging FDE

Best regards

Roland

Evil Beta-tester in Manfred's team

[gray eagle]

Here (http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/5243-manfred-jahns-boeing-c-97-usaf-angel-of-deliverance/) you go:



http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18113.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18113.jpg.html)



http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18121.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18121.jpg.html)

Let's hope I wasn't too fast, if you find any errors, let me know and I'll fix them after my return.



Thanks for the AOD paint. :adoration:
Noted some comments here about the shade of red used. Any plans to change that or is that pretty much wysiwyg? :engel016:

[DaveB]

JanK agreed that it was a bit too bright and said he'd change it when he got back from his trip (as quoted underneath that shot). It's on his list;)

ATB
DaveB:)

[gray eagle]

JanK agreed that it was a bit too bright and said he'd change it when he got back from his trip (as quoted underneath that shot). It's on his list;)

ATB
DaveB:)

Ahh... Thanks for pointing that out. All I saw was "Let's hope I wasn't too fast, if you find any errors, let me know and I'll fix them after my return"

That's good to know. :adoration:

[TiAr]

Some repaints of the last flying C-97G.

http://up.picr.de/22290885af.jpg

http://up.picr.de/22290886be.jpg
N1365N, last flight was 2003. Sold at auction to buyer Clay Lacy, together with N972HP + N29862.
In Nov.2008 at Greybull seen being worked on inside hangar; it seems owner wanted to bring it back to its
military configuration, so the tank was taken out. Repaint covers N1365N in 2014. Still at Greybull.


http://up.picr.de/22290887ch.jpg
One of the famous Domenican Triple out in Miami.

[jankees]

OK, this better??

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18134.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18134.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18135.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18135.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18138.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18138.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18137.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18137.jpg.html)

[DaveB]

I don't know what the others will say mate but I like the look of that. The Stars'n'Bars look great now too:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[llanning08]

Jankees:

This "Angel" looks great! While you were out, C-97 "ice patches" came in. You could add them to your paint. See earlier posts for info.

[jim]

Earlier posts do not have instructions for adding ice patches. I would like to know how it's done. Anyone??

[gray eagle]

OK, this better??



http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18135.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18135.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18138.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18138.jpg.html)




Very Very Nice :encouragement::adoration: I know you post these at OZX, so will this one replace the one already posted with
a mod in the file name K_C-97_Angel.zip or how will I be able to tell the difference?

http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/5243-manfred-jahns-boeing-c-97-usaf-angel-of-deliverance/

[jankees]

Ha, I thought I'd check with you guys first. Only then will I change the file at OZx.
Does the angel have the ice patches, can't really see them on the pics I have?

[gray eagle]

Ha, I thought I'd check with you guys first. Only then will I change the file at OZx.
Does the angel have the ice patches, can't really see them on the pics I have?

Jan, if you look towards the edges of the wings, you will see some dark squares, those are the ice patches


MJ had a post that contains a file for the repainters to add them. I learned how to add them to previously issued repaints that did not have them.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?94360-C-97G-Stratofreighter-Uploaded/page7

#162

http://www.warbirdregistry.org/c97registry/images/c97-522718-1.jpg

http://www.spiritoffreedom.org/CGMV-P13.jpg

[jankees]

OK, ice patches coming up.
One more question: the tail behind the serial, is that bare metal or painted? (if so, what color?)

[gray eagle]

OK, ice patches coming up.
One more question: the tail behind the serial, is that bare metal or painted? (if so, what color?)

Does this picture help any? The real one is undergoing repairs and it looks like the tail section of the real one has been removed in various videos of the engine turns.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3996/angelet.jpg

[HvyEng]

The flight controls on the angel are silver-doped fabric. When 52-2718 was originally painted as 45-59595, the flight controls needed to be recovered, so the decision was made to leave them unpainted until they were recoevered. They have since been recovered and are silver-doped fabric. They will probably stay that way until the aircraft is repainted.

Yes, it has the ice patches.

--Dan

[Rallymodeller]

Now, instead of slogging from the UK to RAF Tengah in a Hastings, you can travel in style!

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24365&stc=1

A wee work-in-progress. Just have to sort out the specular for the fuselage and do the stairs in RAF-appropriate colours. The serial is lifted from one of the block assigned to the stillborn Vickers Wild Goose project.

[CavOk]

I think others have asked but no replies. How do you add the ice patches?
Mike

[jankees]

That RAF version looks very good!

Meanwhile, for an updated Angel, go here: http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/5243-manfred-jahns-boeing-c-97-usaf-angel-of-deliverance/

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18199.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18199.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18203.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18203.jpg.html)

and while you're a it, you might want to check out this one: http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/5265-manfred-jahns-boeing-c-97-usaf-45-9595/

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18220.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18220.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2014/ss18214.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/2014/ss18214.jpg.html)

[TiAr]

I almost finished two more of the last flying Strats.

http://up.picr.de/22307246ge.jpg
Boeing C-97L Stratofreighter, c/n 17005, ex 53-0223, Stratolift N4580Q. The aircraft was used as a fuel hauler, but got damaged by fire 18th May 1989 in Unalakleet/AK, while offloading fuel. The hulk is still in Unalakleet Airport today.


http://up.picr.de/22307248ae.jpg
Boeing C-97G Stratofreighter, cn 16673, ex 52-879, Agro Air HI-481. Sold and on civilian market as N197KC then as HI-481. Operated by Belize Air International. A/C sadly crashed after departing Mexico City-Benito Juárez International Airport (MEX/MMMX) on July 30, 1987. The aircraft, carrying horses to Miami took off in an overloaded condition. Cargo shifted on climbout and the aircraft collided with a high ground before crashing onto the busy Mexico City-Toluca highway. It was the last fatal crash of a C-97.

[gray eagle]

Thanks Jan for the AOD paint. I appreciate it :encouragement:
BTW, thanks for the green version too. :adoration:


http://i59.tinypic.com/fm6yh1.jpg

[DaveB]

Thanks Jan for the AOD paint..

Don't wind him up now he's done it!! Thanks Jankees from another grateful customer:encouragement:

CavOk..

Isn't the ice-patch an addon texture?? I'm sure it's posted here somewhere as a temp before the next model and paints are released.

ATB
DaveB:)

[CavOk]

CavOk..

Isn't the ice-patch an addon texture?? I'm sure it's posted here somewhere as a temp before the next model and paints are released.

ATB
DaveB:)[/QUOTE]

Hi Dave
It's a PNG file and I've no idea what to do with it?

Mike

[gray eagle]

Don't wind him up now he's done it!! Thanks Jankees from another grateful customer:encouragement:

CavOk..

Isn't the ice-patch an addon texture?? I'm sure it's posted here somewhere as a temp before the next model and paints are released.

ATB
DaveB:)

Dave,

Check your PMs Pls

[DaveB]

Cheers GE.. I'm good with that;)

CavOk might be different though. If you can do the same for him too but add an explanation.. it might get him started;)
ATB
DaveB:)

[manfredc3]

Jankees,

As usual excellent paints.

TiAr; looking forward to your paints as well :redfire:

[CG_1976]

USCG fictional please???

[Aharon]

Sneak preview to my complete flight report to be published soon......

Presenting one sneak preview screenshot!!

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx348/CVA0343/KC97%20and%20C97/ov13_zpslbjoi2xb.jpg

Regards,

Aharon

[Aharon]

Shalom and greetings all my pals,

Presenting recreation of Israeli air force's emergency KC-97 cargo resupply mission from an Israeli air force base to HE1F Fayid air force base in Egypt located approximately 23 km south of Ismailia and 69 miles northeast of Cairo during Yom Kippur war.

Yes you are reading it correctly!!! It marked the first time in history of Israel that Israeli air force plane had landed on Egyptian air force base!!! How did it happen? Israeli army forces with tanks managed to smash through Egyptian defenses, crossed Suez Canal, and landed on Egypt pushing 30 miles deep inside Egypt which created one logistical problem which was replenishment of supplies such as food, fuel, ammunition, and spare parts. Since it would take too long time for supply trucks to travel from Israel to deep inside Egypt, they decided to use cargo planes to fly all supplies from Israel to HE1F Fayid air force base that was captured by Israeli army.

Presenting the historic flight....

Starting engines at an Israeli air force base

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx348/CVA0343/KC97%20and%20C97/ov1_zpszgajcl21.jpg

Wing view of engines that were started to roaring life!!

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx348/CVA0343/KC97%20and%20C97/ov2_zpsz5zhsbfq.jpg

Taxiing to short of runway

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx348/CVA0343/KC97%20and%20C97/ov3_zpsllutzjxk.jpg

Entering into runway for take off

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx348/CVA0343/KC97%20and%20C97/ov4_zpsieaj2f2e.jpg

Because of regulations of the forums not allowing more than 4 screenshots per post, please be kind enough to go to this hyperlink as seen below to view rest of the flight.

Here is the link: http://vatil.org.il/forum/index.php/topic/42862-recreating-historic-kc-97-flight-by-israeli-air-force/

Thank you for viewing!! Stay tuned for next exciting screenshot.

Regards,

Aharon

[TiAr]

I just uploaded 4 more repaints of the last flying Strats.

Hawkins & Powers Tanker 97 N1365N
Agro Air HI-481
Agro Air HI-468CA
Stratolift N4580V

And here is missing info about Agro Air HI-468CA repaint I made:

Boeing C-97G Stratofreighter, cn 17026, ex 53-0244, Agro Air HI-468CA. Starts with civil registry as N4236C and was then exported to Agro Air of Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic as HI-468CA. It remained operational until at least 1990 and was scrapped at Miami in 1993.

http://up.picr.de/22327675oe.jpg

[Aharon]

I just uploaded 4 more repaints of the last flying Strats.

Hawkins & Powers Tanker 97 N1365N
Agro Air HI-481
Agro Air HI-468CA
Stratolift N4580V

What about your cool Red Cross livery that you painted on C-97?

Regards,

Aharon

[mjahn]

The upcoming HC-97G model will have a period style MD-3 ground power unit, and this will also be added to the previous models. That fire extinguisher looks too flimsy by far so I'll replace it with something more substantial.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51024107/Screen2015-06-23.jpg

[viper1977]

Is this extinguisher better?

[DaveB]

I think that would do the trick nicely Viper:encouragement:

Thanks for the HU Manfred:very_drunk:
ATB
DaveB:)

[TiAr]

Aharon, the Balair is also in Library (FSX Civilian Prop Skins) - perhaps you have to scroll a bit more down.

[GunnyG]

Is this extinguisher better?

Yup, those.

http://www.amc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2012/10/121030-F-BO262-002.jpg

[Aharon]

Aharon, the Balair is also in Library (FSX Civilian Prob Skins) - perhaps you have to scroll a bit more down.

TiAr,

Thanks for reply. I never knew that Balair Red Cross livery had already been released!!

Is it Balair? I researched on Internet and could not find history of C-97 serving Balair using Red Cross livery. Can you please point me to correct websites so that I can learn history of Balair C-97 and its routes or past Red Cross mission flights?

Thanks,

Aharon

[mjahn]

Many thanks for the fire extinguisher pics, copied them.

Aharon, for the Strat's Red Cross mission see here:

http://www.bsl-mlh-planes.net/browse/type_id/56/

[SSI01]

Are we planning on releasing that IAF paint scheme for the KC-97, or have I missed one somehow that was already released?

[Aharon]

Are we planning on releasing that IAF paint scheme for the KC-97, or have I missed one somehow that was already released?

SSI01,

Famous Jankees already painted one of the IAF liveries on KC-97 that you also can export to C-97 too. You can find his IAF livery on this Australian link called http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/.

Or DIRECT download link for one of IAF liveries: http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/5174-manfred-jahn39s-boeing-kc-97-israeli-defence-force-39/

I am hoping that Jankees or Sean or anybody would paint the other IAF livery with Hebrew and English words for KC-97 that I can export to C-97.

MJahn,

Thanks for Red Cross link.

Regards,

Aharon

[CG_1976]

Thanks Aharon for the links, but looks like Ozx is under maint. and upgrading till the 30th.

[DaveB]

Yup.. got a pretty cryptic email off them today saying that they were updating the site. It didn't give specific detail other than I'd see for myself when I got there!!

ATB
DaveB:)

[gray eagle]

Got a link to all of Jankees' stuff here

http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/profile/750-jankees/content/&type=downloads_file

[Aharon]

Thanks Aharon for the links, but looks like Ozx is under maint. and upgrading till the 30th.

Tim,

I have no problem accessing to the Aussie website for ANY download. Try the link again.

The website said the maintenance will start on June 24. Better hurry and download NOW.

Regards,

Aharon

[TiAr]

This is a very quick and unfinished repaint of a Stratocruiser Pan Am Clipper.

http://up.picr.de/22337913zg.jpg

I am not a friend of making repaints of "not existing" models based on Strat Teams Stratofreighter. And I am not very interesting to fly a Stratocruiser model. What do you think about 377 repaints using C-97G models? A lot of things are not really working on a 377 like doors or windows on C-97G models. And I am unsure to finish it.

Thomas

[delta_lima]

I, for one, would happily enjoy any "airliner/B377" paints on this bird. No reservations whatsoever. Yes please - love PAA!

That scheme was worn for very little ... the "Pan American World Airways" scheme was flown for a much longer ('54-'60), if memory serves.

24461

24462

I'm sure no one will begrudge B377 paints on the cargo bird. If they do, they have a serious First World Problem problem ...

dl

[Roger]

This is a very quick and unfinished repaint of a Stratocruiser Pan Am Clipper.

I am not a friend of making repaints of "not existing" models based on Strat Teams Stratofreighter. And I am not very interesting to fly a Stratocruiser model. What do you think about 377 repaints using C-97G models? A lot of things are not really working on a 377 like doors or windows on C-97G models. And I am unsure to finish it.

Thomas

I'd like to see this repaint too!

[dmq]

The C97G flown by Air Force pilot Jesse Callahan in the 1950s between Yokota and Travis. I've repainted this scheme in FS95 - FS2000 - FS2002 - FS2004 and now FSX

http://i.imgbox.com/N4vrESq2.jpg (http://imgbox.com/N4vrESq2)

http://i.imgbox.com/0g8Wf9jU.jpg (http://imgbox.com/0g8Wf9jU)

http://i.imgbox.com/FCEbFjuP.jpg (http://imgbox.com/FCEbFjuP)

[SSI01]

Can't download from the Aussie site OzX unless you're a member, so I signed up tonight. Of course, just under the wire for the major upgrade, too, so we'll see how that goes.

I also tried to add the OzX forum to my "Aviation" favorites but my W7 Home Pro program won't let me do that.

[usafvet]

Nice Travis repaint DMQ, I hope you will release it. By the way, has anyone thought of the Utah, Oklahoma, Arizona, and Delaware ANG?

Just curious.....

:icon_question:

[Aharon]

Can't download from the Aussie site OzX unless you're a member, so I signed up tonight.

I never sign up with the Aussie site as new member and I still can get downloads from them!! That is how I get many cool liveries by world famous Jankees.

Regards,

Aharon