New panels and reticles by Stockplane!

[stockplane]

Hallo to all, in the next week i finish my personal reticle gunsight
collection for CFS2 with two corrected italian reticles (San Giorgio early and
late) two japanese, tree for US (mk8, K14 in two version), one for french
fighters and tree for german Revi (early and late in two version).
If there is someone that is interested in them i can upload a package
with the installation note.
Now i work over some panel with more accurate gauges and their positions
also in this case, at the end of these little upgrade, i can upload them for
you.

[voyager]

stockplane

Yes, please do!

voyager

[mksystem]

Looking forward to them!!!:encouragement:

[miamieagle]

Yes! :applause:

[stockplane]

All right, for the middle of next week, i make the first upload.

Best regards.

[stockplane]

I am trying create panel for G3M Nell i am looking for program for make/modify gauges, i remenber that there is a prog that is able to extract bmp from gauge and reinstall it, but i can't find it, or a prog for make new gauge?

Apart FS Panel Studio there is another prog that is capable to make a VC cockpit?

Thanks a lot for any informations about.

Regards.

[stockplane]

I have find the first prog at Simviation only that for VC Cockpit need.

Regards

[bearcat241]

There is no panel program available for actually "making" a VC panel for a CFS2 bird. The VC panel is made by the modeling program used to design the overall model, like FSDS or Gmax. Its either designed as a "dead panel" without working gauges or a dynamic panel with working gauges. If its set up as a dead panel by the designer to skip the work, there's nothing you can do to populate it with working gauges -- they simply won't show in the sim no matter what. But if its a dynamic VC (DVC), after the structural design of the panel is completed, it can be later populated with working gauges by using a gauge/panel editor like Cfgedit or FSPS.

Placing the gauges accurately in VC is a pain in the ass in sooo many ways - it takes some trial and error. But with a good eye and some insight into knowing how a VC panel functions structurally in design layout and how the layout can effect gauge placement and functionality, you can do it.

[stockplane]

Thanks a lot Bearcat for your informations.

Best regards.

[misson]

Here is the program u can make other from one that already works.
I´ve never knew about a program to make from zero a gauge.
Cheers
Mario

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/492314317313998659.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Other Add-Ons

Description: This is my personal reticles collection that i have made with Gimp and CfgEdit.

In the package there are twenty-seven reticles a list of them with basic information, the readme about how to install them and five examples of panel.cfg.

All is freeware and all have permission to modify and replace them.

Please imform me about problems or suggestions about.

Best regards.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit New gunsight reticles.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19663&catid=17)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/770214318812904429.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: This is my first panel, for G3M Nell Type 22 suitable also for Type 11.

In the download you find the panel, the gauges, the Readme and a image of the real instrument panel for who want make an upgrade with more realism and proper gauges.

For any suggests comments problems post them at SOH.

Best regards.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit G3M Nell panel.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19681&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[stockplane]

Thanks ission will be usefull.

Best regards.

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/781114320291444779.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: This is my panel for great Akemy Mizoguchi E13A1 Jake.

Hope you will be useful.

Best regards.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit E13A1 Jake panel.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19693&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[Rami]

Stockplane,

Outstanding work! I like panels that are clean and uncluttered. :very_drunk:

[stockplane]

Thanks Rami, i am glad that my panel like you.
I have only a problem i am not a great able paint the background, for me is a bit hard.
Now i work on Ki-44 panel and then on Mc202.
For the Ki-44 i have an idea: the gunsightin Ki-44 in a telescopic gunsight so the standard reticle a incorrect.
I wish try make two view one for the cockpit and another only for gunsight with proper reticle.
Probably for the next week.

Best regards.

[kelticheart]

Thank you, Stockplane!

:applause: :encouragement: :applause:

Nice job on these panels and gunsight reticles!

Cheers!
KH :ernaehrung004:

[stockplane]

Thanks a lot Kelticheart, if you likes my panel, also if aren't grafically great, i upload two panels for Ki-44,
one with telescopic gunsight Tupe 89 and the other with the reflector gunsight type 100 that had replaced the first onto the Ki-44. If i have a bit of luchy probably for tomorrow will be the upload.

Both work with Akemi plane and that created by Knobbe.

Best regards.

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/257114323191841999.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: Four panels for Ki-44 with two view for any panel, works both with Akemi Mizoguchi plane than with the Knokke KI-44 series. In the download the link for this last.

Good hunting.

Best regards.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit Ki-44 panel series.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19708&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/472014327287841222.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: This panel is my rework of original Eric R. Hale panel, I have redraw the panel bmp, make the gunsight bmp, modify the gauges and remake the VC cockpit for a little more reality.

For the next week i believe to upload the new Ki-43 panel and an upgrade of Ki-44.


Best regards

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit TBD-1 Devastator Panel.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19721&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[Rami]

Stockplane,

You are doing some excellent work, keep the good times rolling! :triumphant:

[stockplane]

Thanks Rami, i hope make best projects in the future, i am an apprentice.


Best regards.

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/556814339375509160.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: My series of cockpit for Ki-43 series I and II, for stock flyable plane and upgrade by B24Gui.

There are four panel two with reticle and two without.

I hope they will be usefull for someones.

Best regardsd.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit Ki-43 panels.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19753&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[Rami]

Stockplane,

Fantastic work, you did a great job on this one! :very_drunk:

[stockplane]

Thanks Rami. I am glad that my simple works like. As i said in the past reply unfortunately is the graphic job that is a bit difficult for me. I hope that someones make the background panel more accuracy.

An information please, if is possible, i have make two generic skins one for the Nieuport 11 and another for the Handriot HD1 for italian side, and a new cocvkpit for the Handriot, i need upload them separately or is possible upload in a unique package, in this case where.

Thank in advanced for a suiggestion about.

I hope next week finish the Ki-45 and Ki-46 cockpits.


Best regards.

[gius]

Many thanks Stockplane,
beautiful addons!

[stockplane]

Thanks Gius!
My program is try make these panels: Ki-45, Ki-46, Ki-48, Ki-84, Ki-100 a rework of Ki-44 in another version
and then Mc202, Mc205, G55, BR.20 and SM.79

If you or other users have suggestion or ideas for cockpits, please post them here.

Best regards.

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/223114340940583639.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: Only a little rework of the cockpit for the beautifull Hanriot that you can find at SOH, plus two texture, one for the Hanriot and another for the Nieuport 11 that is at Aerocrate site, in Italian color.

The two texture are very very generic.

Have a good fun

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit Hanriot HD-1 panel.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19760&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[kelticheart]

Stockplane:



:applause: :applause: :applause:

Thank you!
KH :ernaehrung004:

[stockplane]

Thanks Kelticheart!

Next week is possible that i upload the Ki-45, almost finish, and the Ki-46 cockpit for Akemi planes with VC too.

I am looking for documentation for the Ki-46 i am not sure if it has or not the gunsight. I have few datas about.

If someones have informations please post!


Best regards.

[stockplane]

Kelticheart, i have miss ask you if you want make a mod for the Ki-45 :

In the VC cockpit the gunsight is opaque i have seen that you have jet solved this bug for the Akemi Zero,

is possible for you mod also it for the Ki-45?

Thaks in advanced.

[kelticheart]

Kelticheart, i have miss ask you if you want make a mod for the Ki-45 :

In the VC cockpit the gunsight is opaque i have seen that you have jet solved this bug for the Akemi Zero,

is possible for you mod also it for the Ki-45?

Thaks in advanced.

Hi stockplane,

Akemi's Zero originally did not have a VC gunsight bug. My prop texture repaint caused it because I had not noticed, at first, the VC gunsight texture was part of it, according to Akemi's standards.

VC textures cannot usually be altered, unless the original author provided specific textures for it. Sometimes they can be found among the model textures.

If you are talking about Akemi's Ki-45 Toryu, the texture file attached below belongs to it. Note that the gunsight reticle texture is on the right lower corner of it. As I said before, it follows Akemi's texture mapping philosophy.

If this texture is missing, the VC gunsight will not show up.

I cannot do anything more than this, I hope this explanation will help.

Cheers!
KH :ernaehrung004:

[stockplane]

All clear Kelticheart, thanks.

Best regards.

[stockplane]

This is my panel for Akemi Ki-46II recon plane, this plane isn’t armed and has a different cockpit respect the other Ki-46 type IIIb and IIIc.

These cockpits in a next upload.

I have made a new main panel with the engine controls and I have leave the VC cockpit made by B24 Gui in the your upgrade of this plane ( the upgrade you can find at SOH ).

Best regards.

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/355614343783332938.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: This is my panel for Akemi and FDG Ki-45 plane, the cockpit is the same for both models, there is a new VC panel for Akemi, for FDG i have not made the VC cockpit because it is paint with the gauges so for the moment i have notmade an alternate VC cockpit for.

You can install it, in the two version, with or without the reticle gunsight.

Best regards.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit Ki-45 panel.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19773&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[Rami]

Stockplane,

Nice job on everything. I hope you don't mind, but I included the update in the original Ki-43 package and moved it to the head of the line. That way, everything is less confusing. :very_drunk:

Here is the Ki-43 link: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=46&id=19753

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/804414345330223430.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: A rework for the N1K2J panel with new background. (Alphasim freeware with some modifications)

Gunsight view with and without reticle and the type 4 gunsight.

I have also make little mod of VC cockpit.

Best regards.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit N1K2J new panel.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19785&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/179114347022085984.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: This is my panel for Akemi Ki-46III with or without B24 Gui upgrade that you can find here at SOH.

I have made a new main panel with the engine controls popup and I have leave the VC cockpit made by B24 Gui in the upgrade of this plane.

In the VC cockpit I have only replace the gauges.

It came with a modification of the gunsight Type 100 late production.

Next my step is try make the BR.20, SM.79 and Ki-61 panel, for me tree quite difficult works, i hope to be able realize them.

Best regards.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit Ki-46III panel.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19789&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[stockplane]

Rami thanks a lot for Ki-43 upgrade, i have not read your post before. Thanks again.

Another question, i have post some images for Kelti, in the pos i have seen the thumbnails bat also the image where i could be wrong?

And for the images for the uploads what is the best size for SOH?

Thanks in advanced.


Best regards

[stuart277]

Hi Stockplane
Thanks for these really nice panels.
They look super.:applause::applause::applause:
Cheers
Stuart

[miamieagle]

Thank you Stockplane for your cockpits!

They look great!:applause:

[stockplane]

Thanks Stuart, i am glad it like, i make the possible for my capacity.

I hope that more talent skinner make best upgrades to these panels.

Cheers.

Stockplane

[stockplane]

Thanks to you Miamieagle, probably new enter at the end of next week.

Cheers.

Stockplane

[gius]

Hi Stockplane,
congrats again, really nice panels!!:applause::applause:
Gius

[stockplane]

Congrats you too, Gius, really interesting skins!:applause:

Cheers

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/748114351504066434.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: This panel is for the Ba.88 Lince, in this panel few gauges are different from real panel, because this plane in the central section of the panel have two altimeters and two anemometers, it is in the manual of this plane kindly post by MVG3D at forum SOH, so I have substitute some gauges that aren’t in the real but very usefull.

For any question please post them in the forum at SOH.

Best regards.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit Breda Ba.88 Lince panel.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19809&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[gius]

Bravo:applause::applause:
stai facendo progressi!
Ciao,
Giuseppe

[stockplane]

Hei ma siamo tutti italiani!!?

Qualche piccolo progresso, avrei bisogno di trovare un manuale decente per Gimp o PSP, invece che tutorial fatti a spizzichi e bocconi.

Come si dice: per aspera ad astra.

Stefano

[gius]

Stefano,
io per fare pannelli sto studiando Corel Painter con un manuale in inglese: forse non è la strada più veloce ma...
come hai detto tu: per aspera ad astra...
Ciao ancora,
Giuseppe

[stockplane]

A me, per il momento, basterebbe capire come creare cilindri e tubi e colorarli dandogli il senso della rotondità

senza perderci ore. Con qualunque prog.


Ciao.


Ma non ci picchiano se scriviamo in madre lingua?

Stockplane

[mvg3d]

Hi Stefano,
For the cylinders/tubes, a little "trick" :
Do a search on Google with the word "tube" or "aluminium (or plastic) tube" or "pipe" then go to the related pictures, there You'll find a lot of pictures with metallic (or plastic) tubes, download the pics You like and, with Your paint program, cut and paste the section You want and change its colour and, if necessary the shape/perspective....

Examples :

24485 24486 24487

:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[stockplane]

mvg3d, your suggestion make the job a little more easy!

Thanks for the idea. :applause::applause::applause::applause:


Best regards.

[mvg3d]

Hei ma siamo tutti italiani!!?

Qualche piccolo progresso, avrei bisogno di trovare un manuale decente per Gimp o PSP, invece che tutorial fatti a spizzichi e bocconi.

Come si dice: per aspera ad astra.

Stefano

Hi Stefano,

For Gimp try here :

http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/it/index.html

and here

http://www.gimpfacile.altervista.org/?Manuali_e_tutorial:Manuali

For PSP (and others) try here

http://www.cerca-manuali.it/manuale-guida/paintshop.htm

:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[kelticheart]

MILLE GRAZIE!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Alla salute!
KH :ernaehrung004:

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/542514354104468281.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: A remake of panel for G4M1 by Allen and G4M2 by B24 Gui that you can find at SOH.

The backgrounds are a mod. over the Alphasim freeware panels series, in both two version are present the left and the right site and the bomber view, (not mine) with two VC different cockpit.

Best regards.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit G4M1 and G4M2 Betty reworked panel.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19821&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[Rami]

Stockplane,

Yet another outstanding job. Well done! :wavey:

[stockplane]

Thanks a lot Rami.:ernaehrung004:

Cheers.

[kelticheart]

Hi Stockplane,

a very nice job on the Betty panel.

Yet, I remember a discussion here a few years ago involving Morton, where someone objected that Betty pilots and the majority of Japanese bombers, sat on the right instead of sitting on the left seat, as in the rest of world aviation.

You might want to investigate this, the main pilot sat on the right seat and the co-pilot, when present, sat on the left. Therefore the 2d bitmap should be turned 180 degrees around, to get the same effect.

Other than this small detail, your panels are very, very good.

Thank you!
KH :ernaehrung004:

[stockplane]

Hallo Kelti, i don't know in the Betty where has the pilot position, but the two half part of the cockpit are correct, a part some gauges not graphically perfect.

See it in the image of Hisato Nakada.

Another question i believe more important some italian gauges aren't in the actual collection, where is possible find for example an anemometer or a gauges that can be placed instead of?


Anyway i am glad you like the Betty panel.

Cheers.

[mvg3d]

Hi Stockplane,
I apologize that I never studied deeply the Japanese planes, but the only thing I'm sure is that the cockpits of Japanese FIAT Br.20 were factory modified with the main pilot seat and related instruments on the right side.
Looking at the Betty's panel pic by Mr.Nakada I can see the Artificial Horizon (primary instrument) in the right panel only (not replied in the left one)......

:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[gaucho_59]

Following to the advise by Manuele, if what you are looking to do is something like this:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/483/19085258128_14c306a040_o.jpg

then, using PSP, you need to get familiarized with working with nodes... First, you convert the object to a vector object.

1 On the Tools toolbar, select the Pen tool .

2 On the Tool Options palette, click Edit Mode button .

3 Click a vector object.

The object's nodes appear.

4 Click the node.

The selected node appears with a solid gray fill.

You can also,

Select multiple nodes

Hold down Shift, and click the nodes.


Select all nodes on a contour

Double-click one node. If the object has only one contour, this selects all nodes in the path.


Select all nodes in a path (all nodes in the object)

Right-click a node, and choose Edit Select All.


Select the next or previous node on a contour

Hold down Shift, and press [ or ].


Deselect a selected node

Hold down Shift, and click the node.

Then you can deform the object to your desired shape...

Ecco, qui un WIP redo che sto faccendo dal tuo panel for the Ki 43 III...
nel medessimo, ho cambiato la prospettiva usando questo tipo di operazione....

Non e difficile, ma ci vuole un attimino di attenzione al dettaglio...

To wit:


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/521/18650492734_0726ddda7b_o.jpg

IMHO la parte piu dura e' in somma, la voglia di finire e "pubblicare"... inquanto i lavori finiscono un po' meno precisi dal previsto...

Carlos

[stockplane]

Hallo mvg3d also i had never investigate about japanese cockpit and were was the pilot and co-pilot, but i not have understand this question about the Betty.

The only thing that is possible do is put the right section at Window00 and the left at Window02, if the problem isn't it sincerely i have not understand what you want.

Thank to Gaucho for the rapid lesson, i this days i try some test about, good repaint of Ki-46, you are really great. :applause::applause:

I presume that the silence about anemometer gauge means that there is not one around.

Cheers

[mvg3d]

Hallo mvg3d also i had never investigate about japanese cockpit and were was the pilot and co-pilot, but i not have understand this question about the Betty.

The only thing that is possible do is put the right section at Window00 and the left at Window02, if the problem isn't it sincerely i have not understand what you want.

Thank to Gaucho for the rapid lesson, i this days i try some test about, good repaint of Ki-46, you are really great. :applause::applause:

I presume that the silence about anemometer gauge means that there is not one around.

Cheers

Hi Stockplane,
I simply supposed the Betty's main pilot was on the right seat because the only AH gauge was mounted on the right side of the panel.
About the "silence", we (I & KH) are working on NEW Italian gauges, just today he sent me some bmps to modify, but I still not opened the zipped files he sent me because I forgotten them in my PC at office ......

:wavey::wavey:

[gaucho_59]

Hallo mvg3d also i had never investigate about japanese cockpit and were was the pilot and co-pilot, but i not have understand this question about the Betty.

The only thing that is possible do is put the right section at Window00 and the left at Window02, if the problem isn't it sincerely i have not understand what you want.

Thank to Gaucho for the rapid lesson, i this days i try some test about, good repaint of Ki-46, you are really great. :applause::applause:

I presume that the silence about anemometer gauge means that there is not one around.

Cheers


I forgot an even easier to use tool... the WARP MESH tool...

it is far more intuitive... and nodes are preselected... also there is
the warp mesh brush, probably more precise.... to wit:

Cheers,
G.

[Wayland]

I read in one of the old Monogram Aviation Publications series on Japanese aircraft that some of the Japanese bombers with dual controls had the aircraft commander/pilot in command in the right seat. The author was Robert Mikesh, a curator at the NASM/Smithsonian. I'll see if I can find the actual reference. The co-pilot would stand on his seat and direct the taxiing on the ground while stuck half out of the cockpit greenhouse.

Steve

[kelticheart]

...if the problem isn't it sincerely i have not understand what you want....

Hi stockplane,

it's very simple, look below, I just copied your screenshot and did an horizontal flip to it. That's the right pilot seat, obviously now every label is mirror-like reversed.

All you have to do is take your work, do the same thing and place the instruments according to the right side of the Betty panel as shown in Hisato Nakada's photo. Manuele pointed out to you that the presence of the attitude gauge on the right side, missing on the left side, confirms the right side is the main pilot, or aircraft commander, seat.

Done! :running:

Cheers!
KH :ernaehrung004:

[stockplane]

Oh Kelty, our Good had made the Word in six day and you want make a new cockpit in 30 sec!!!:mixed-smiley-010::mixed-smiley-010:

The black box at the center of cockpit between the two seater is inamovible it is a rack with the two gyros instruments product in Japan under german license and is present i many bombers type always the same,
as you can see in the images attached below (also Il-2 SAS had make panel for Betty in the same unique way),
one image is of the G5N1 Shinzan with the last type of this rach, the second the il-2 cockpit, the third is a photo of a G4M2 Betty ( the unique difference between G4M1 is that two instrument at the left and right of the compass are missing ), the last image is a kit fotoincision fot a 1/48 plastic model of the Eduard.

There are other many images of japanese bombers ( also the Nell, the Lily etc) with it and all are identical, the disposition of the black box and the instruments are always the same.

And also in the right seat ( in all models of Betty ) the attitude is in the identical place as you can see in the images.

For the dubts about the pilot and the co-pilot i have write to my spanish friends that have a japanese friend civilian pilot, his father had flow in the WWII on the Betty, i have ask for your question, i hope they reply me prompt, if i have the his reply, as i hope, i post it for you.

Believe Kelty, the instruments are in the correct position, only that (as for italian) not all are are of the correct type series but very closed.

Cheers:wavey::wavey:

[mvg3d]

Hi Stockplane,
Where is Your problem with the Autopilot and the other gauges ?
With just a little "know-how" in Photoshop (or Paintshop)......

24709

The ONLY thing to do is to place the right gauges in the right places.....

P.S. : I don't changed the gauges with the right ones, I only mirrored Yours (the Kelti's complete mirroring was only indicative).

:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[stockplane]

Hallo mvg3d, if for you is more usefull an alternate right panel as you have made i can post it in this day,
but the your positions of the gauges in the right place notexist in the reality.

See with carefull the image in the my last post or find another images of the Betty cockpit i have no see this disposition at all.

This is a site about, (one of many ) and see by yourself.

http://gunsight.jp/a/english/hunatu05e.htm

Cheers

[mvg3d]

....The black box at the center of cockpit between the two seater is inamovible it is a rack with the two gyros instruments product in Japan under german license and is present i many bombers type always the same.....

I ONLY mirrored the Autopilot panel, as I wrote, Kelticheart mirrored the WHOLE panel bitmap ONLY for demonstrate his/our suppositions.
I DON"T WANT to make the Betty's panel, it is Your job.
I also specified that the gauges in the panel MUST be changed with the real ones and, of course, repositioned as in the original.

:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[stockplane]

Dear mvg3d, as i said in other post, i am not interested preserve my little jobs, anyone has the possibility to modify, inplement and so on, any my panels and mods, the important thing is that at the end these works will be usefull for all community members. Also if someone want improve these i am happy, because for the moment i am not a great painter. The only thing i ask is that the final work is in tuning with the related plane as aspect.

My intervention were only for clarity about the reality, but any mod is wellcome.

Cheers.

[kelticheart]

Hold your horses, the two of you! Un attimo di calma!

First of all, Stockplane:

I do not expect a new panel in lesser time than the Lord created earth. I do not want a new panel at all from you, I just wanted to spare criticism to your beautiful work for a silly, yet historically sound, detail. Ti volevo aiutare, non criticare.

There's no fiction here, the main pilot seat on Japanese bombers WAS on the right side of the cockpit, you weren't around a few years ago when this subject caused a long discussion here.

Do you want solid proof of what Manuele and I have been trying to suggest you?

Look I the attached pictures, that I took from the very same you posted: do you see where the attitude gauge, or Artificial Horizon, is located? I circled it in white for you.
It is on the right side of the cockpit panel and clearly missing from the left side.
This indicates that the aircraft main pilot, which is also, by the way, the CFS2 user, sat on the right.

Not only the attitude gauge is missing from the left side, but all of the engine gauges are grouped on the left side, clearly indicating that the left seat was occupied by the co-pilot/flight engineer/motorist.

Is it clear now?

Now, considering, as I said, that a 2d panel must be done keeping in mind the point of view of a future CFS2 virtual pilot, anyone creating a 2d Japanese bomber panel, or adapting/updating an existing one, should place the CFS2 user in the place where the historical pilot sat, that is on the right seat.
Only for love of historical accuracy, part of that difference which kept CFS2 alive for over 15 years.

What I am saying is that the original Alpha 2d Betty panel texture you worked on is simply wrong. Just like their Mavis one, again painted with the main pilot post on the left. It's not your fault, you did not paint it originally.

What can you do to avoid repeating the same mistake?

This is how I would handle it:



take the whole bitmap, without gauges, do a horizontal flip or, if you prefer, turn the entire image 180° around,
save the bitmap in a new file;
reposition the gauges according to the great historical sources you have for the true main pilot side;
since you say that the central autopilot group - resembling a Sperry MkIII autopilot - cannot be turned around - and you are darn' right here according to the photos you posted - just copy the correct one from the original file and paste it on top of it here, bringing it back to the original look;
cover the gauges of the autopilot with working Japanese ones.


It does not seem a big deal to me, and you'll get high praises for having been so accurate and respectful of history.

I wrote in English to allow the vast majority of SOH members, who might be interested in this thread, understanding my explanation. If you are missing something, let me know and I will send you a PM with all of the above translated in our mother tongue.

Ciao and take it easy, man! In spite of how you describe yourself, an inexpert rookie moving his first steps in creating addons for CFS2, you are already producing beautiful output, no doubt about it! More than anything else, you showed you do not like fictional things, a trait that will be greatly appreciated by many people around here. :wavey:

Cheers!
KH :ernaehrung004:

[kelticheart]

Hi Stockplane,

the attached is what I meant. Morton designed it in this fashion for Stuart Green's G4M1 Betty, following a comment made by a Japanese SOH member, I believe Talos, because Morton had originally placed the pilot (CFS2 view) in the left seat instead.

It's still available at Morton's webpage here:

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7f2604cfe3f60274#cid=7F2604CFE3F60274

this 2d, 1024 x 768 panel is inside the Betty repaint pack.

The pilot's point of view is from the right seat of the airplane. As you can see many of the gauges Morton painted directly on the panel match the historical layout that can be seen in the pictures you posted.

Once installed in CFS2, this 2d panel creates for us the illusion of sitting on the right side of the Betty cockpit, the place for the chief pilot/commander of the aircraft during WWII on all G4M Betty airplanes.

I hope this clarifies my suggestions to make your nice work looking even better.

Cheers!
KH :ernaehrung004:

[stockplane]

Also i have this great work of Morton, probably the best Betty around, i have make the alternate panel for the Betty,and it is ready for upload, but i have write in PV at Kelticheart for a final decision, i wait his reply first.

Best regards.

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/437614359207842517.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: I have find other datas and informations about Ki-44 series, in according to them I have remade his cockpit both for the first serie and the second, with new bmp panel and an implementation of the gauges.

I have also add the engine controls.

Use the first release or this according your preferences.

Best regards.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit Ki-44 panel V2.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19839&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[kelticheart]

Also i have this great work of Morton, probably the best Betty around, i have make the alternate panel for the Betty,and it is ready for upload, but i have write in PV at Kelticheart for a final decision, i wait his reply first.

Best regards.

No need for any decision of mine here.

Morton's panel is the historical one, other than this, it's your work and I have no right to decide anything about it.

It's up to you, do as you please.

Cheers!
KH :ernaehrung004:

[stockplane]

Sorry for delay in reply, but today is an hard day work. All right for the next week new Betty panel.


Best regards.

[gaucho_59]

Morton's panel (which by the way... it is the work of some Japanese aficionado) is not really very historically accurate at all...
I've researched photographs and manufacturer's line drawings... (will post immediately after this one)

This is a definitive version correcting perspective errors and overall inaccuracy of it and other
circulating panels for this WW2 workhorse. Painted on the basis of a line drawing from
the manufacturer...
Available in either a "clean version" or with additional pop-up throttle box and yokes...

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/260/18849147034_4013a55a3f_o.jpg


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/280/18851094113_ec8b9ff020_o.jpg



:wavey::ernaehrung004:
G.

[gaucho_59]

Res ipsa loquitur...


:wavey::ernaehrung004:
G.

[kelticheart]

Morton's panel (which by the way... it is the work of some Japanese aficionado) is not really very historically accurate at all....

Gaucho,

I did not mean Morton's panel is perfect under any aspect. It is historical as to reproducing the perspective of the main pilot sitting on the right seat instead of the left one.

Am I so difficult to understand, all of a sudden, that several explanations (including those written in Italian PMs) do not suffice?

If so, I need to fix an appointment with my physician on the double. It might very well be that my speech is being seriously affected by my age......

Before I start hating the G4M Betty!

Cheers!
KH :ernaehrung004:

[gaucho_59]

With English, one could blame it on not being your first language... ma... in italiano... forse una visita non farebbe mica male...lol
Seriously... I taught ESL for a few years all over Europe, Turkey and Egypt (English as a second language) and one of the dicta is KISS... (keep it simple stupid)
which I think applies to all communication... oftentimes brevity and conciseness suffice... long winded sentences (very popular with Italians, lol) are dangerous because one
easily loses track of subject-verb agreement, connection between ideas, etc. Short sentences (KISS) ARE THE CURE!
If one uses long sentences, the reader often loses track... Also, for all... it is not good to "read between the lines"...

One thing you missed is that I remarked that Morton's panel graphics are not HIS at all... (he told me so one time... "stuff I pick up in the internet"
when I asked what program he used to produce those panels...) So the historical accuracy, etc. , at the risk of, "counting rivets" on such a
"sacred cow" as Morton is held to be by many... sort of "goes out the window"...
His panels are "machine produced" 3D renderings... with all the perspective aberrations they carry... (extreme ovals for circles, rivets like dinner plates, and
vanishing points that really don't make sense to the human eye... like huge gun sights or extremely small ones... etc.
They are nonetheless, a good starting point for "plastic surgery"...

By the way... the idiom is not "fix an appointment" in English, but rather... "set" or "set up" an appointment... just like in Italian it is a "visita" or farsi visitare...
instead of "fare un appuntamento col dottore" (English foreign speaker's mistake) ... So, you see, sometimes one makes up sentences that native speakers cannot figure out...
"under any aspect"... to a native English speaker does not make any sense (here it needs "reading between the lines") it should be "in any way" (KISS)
In sum... what one thinks is very clear to others -through one's own distorted logic - often is not...
I think this "long winded" explanation is a good graphic example... by now my readers are probably exhausted by my verbosity... and probably bothered by its
apparently condescending tone... so KISS is the cure... (applies to me as well... lol)

Cheers!
G. :ernaehrung004:

[stockplane]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/956714365315795006.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: This panel is for the PZL P.11c there are no gauges for Poland planes, so I have redraw as I can some gauges and I have changed their name so the original not will be overwrite.

The bmp are not more accurate, because I am not a great painter, but closed as possible for me to the real cockpit. There is a gunsight view too, and I have put the new gauges also in the VC Cockpit.

Best regards

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit PZL P.11c panel.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19864&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[gaucho_59]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/956714365315795006.png
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Panels Add-Ons

Description: This panel is for the PZL P.11c there are no gauges for Poland planes, so I have redraw as I can some gauges and I have changed their name so the original not will be overwrite.

The bmp are not more accurate, because I am not a great painter, but closed as possible for me to the real cockpit. There is a gunsight view too, and I have put the new gauges also in the VC Cockpit.

Best regards

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit PZL P.11c panel.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=19864&catid=46)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

Very nice effort, however... if I may suggest it... try to find a photo as a starting point (or an accurate line drawing) ... and work on that as a template...
that way... your problem is reduced to just "painting" over it... Use a program like PSP or Photoshop, so you can manipulate shapes and sizes...
Otherwise, you start a process where a "less than optimal tableau" gets copied, added on, and propagated... inviting negative comments from so called
"rivet counters"... and, in the process, more often worsened than bettered...
You are starting a good thing... just don't let yourself become prey to that "beast"... I call: "gotta publish this today!" lol
Again, very nice starting point... just take your time... I think you got the "painting skills" to do it... Like they say in Italian: "chi va piano va lontano" e ci arriva!

G.

[stockplane]

Thanks Gaugho, i use Gimp because for me PSP is already problematic, for now, this panel is only a "prototipe" as the Ba.88 that i will redraw with a more suitable bmp and gauges ( i am redrawing some gauges for more realistic result ), i have finally learn some new methods in Gimp but many more i have to understand "chi va piano..."

One thing about gauges can be usefull, if is possible. The gauges is possible only place vertical and not horizontal is correct? If will be possible put them horizontally will be possible realize the engine control more realistic also in 2D panel.

Best regards.

[gaucho_59]

Re: your - I think - question: "One thing about gauges can be usefull, if is possible. The gauges is possible only place vertical and not horizontal is correct? If will be possible put them horizontally will be possible realize the engine control more realistic also in 2D panel"

Forse meglio se mi fai la domanda in italiano... perche cosi com'e' in inglese no riesco a capire cosa vuoi sapere...

Penso che stai chiedendo se e' possiblile piazzare gli strumenti in altri posizioni oltre l'elevazione orizontale? Se infatti e' questo che voi sapere...
Si... e possibile tramite l'uso di programmi come cfgEdit ed FS Panel Studio... anche col PSP
Col PSP... e penso ance il GIMP solo per "dummy bezels", cioe' non funzionanti....
Per gli altri... bisogna usare i due progammini menzionate in anteprima...

Ecco, la mia ultima opera, nella quale ci sono alcuni "dummies" visualmente sformati dalla prospettiva... in basso a destra... ma il resto, purtroppo, sono sul piano orizontale

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3716/19671132001_1f64c25de6_o.jpg

:wavey::ernaehrung004:
G.

[stockplane]

Si hai capito perfettamente nonostante il mio pietoso inglese. Però non mi riferivo agli strumenti disegnati i "dummies" ma a quelli funzionanti. Per esempio sarebbe bello poter realizzare ( visto che non ce ne sono ) dei controlli motore da poter piazzare al centro dei sedili nei bombardieri o per esempio a sinistra del cockpit su certi caccia in posizione non verticale ma inclinata o orizzontale. Però penso che l'unico modo è creare nuove gauges.

A presto.

[gaucho_59]

Qualsiasi gauge (cioe mlx piu I bmp)... puo essere piazzate ovunque e come vuoi col ConfigEdit... e penso anche
col FS Studio panel... Una volta piazzata... ci sono dei piccoli "bracini" (handles) per variare l'altezza, inclinazione e
posizione relative a l'orizontale...
solo non puoi cambiare la prospettiva... (vanishing point confluence)... nel panello il gauge risultante sembra abbastanza
coerente...

Carlos

[stockplane]

Scusa per il ritardo nel risponderTi ma abbiamo dovuto combattere contro il nuovo virus su due server di posta, sono state due giornate pesanti.

Per gli strumenti conosco i due programmi, li uso, ma non è così semplice. Ti mando la spiegazione in PV, non mi sembra corretto continuare a scrivere solo in italiano.

Buona giornata.