DH114 Heron Upgrade WIP

[gman5250]

I picked up the Flight Replicas DH114 Heron on sale a few days ago.

The model was really nice, but in need of some TLC. First, the sound was fairly limited with no start up sounds and other bits, but I found a really nice sound set over at CBFS. Problem solved.
http://www.cbfsim.co.uk/cbfs_lib/thumbnails.php?album=51


The skins were good, but a bit dated so I decided to give the old girl some much needed love. The paint kit was super comprehensive, so I had the tools to really do the work. The .dds files will easily convert to PS layers if you want to add them to your own PK.

The PK comes 2048 x 2048, but I took it to 4096. The skins pictured are 4096 x 4096 32 bit.dds files, but DXT5 looks good if you want to save memory.

I'm updating the bumps, spec and alphas and creating a blank metal and two tone skin pak ready for skinners to go to work. The new bumps and spec files will be a drop in to any existing folder to bring your skins up to a more technically beautiful rendering.

If you got this little beauty on sale you'll probably be happy to see this one come your way.

It's a WIP so give me a bit of time. Below are some screens of the preliminary work.

P.S. I know the Kendall Heron is actually running Lycoming IO-540's, but I couldn't resist. Rivet counters, tug my leg at your own risk.
I'd love to see a model with the mods.


Enjoy,

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[mjrhealth]

Looking good, what sound sets, do ou have a link?

[gman5250]

Looking good, what sound sets, do ou have a link?

I added the link above.....

[Ian Warren]

I don't have Mikes Heron, when I first heard Derek Palmer,s Devon the sound set using the default FS2004 DH Comet could not have been more smack on the nose .. growing up only earshot away from Wigram, after your incredible texture effort with Manfred J DC-3 and course Mike off Flight Replicas coming on board to do the gauge coding for that model I think I may have to look at this Heron for myself.

[gman5250]

I don't have Mikes Heron, when I first heard Derek Palmer,s Devon the sound set using the default FS2004 DH Comet could not have been more smack on the nose .. growing up only earshot away from Wigram, after your incredible texture effort with Manfred J DC-3 and course Mike off Flight Replicas coming on board to do the gauge coding for that model I think I may have to look at this Heron for myself.

Once I get the skins tuned up, I may have a look at the interior textures too. This model has great potential.

The flight model feels very accurate...kind of like flying a VW Bus. I've been waiting for the Dove, but with this model tuned up there will be two very comfy old girls to hang out with.

I loaded the plane directly into P3D 2.5 without a hitch. The night lighting out on the wing with those big windows is really something. Definitely a two thumbs up.

I'll put some time into this upgrade...the model deserves it.

[AussieMan]

Being a true blue Aussie anything with a VH registration is on my list. Looking forward to this one.

[greenie]

THANK YOU !!..love this old bird and a bit of TLC will go a long way . I do like this model as with most/all Flight Replicas models but I do find their textures a bit ...bland ? ...dull ? ...something.
Again thanks

[DaveB]

The Dove at CBFS was released back in the days when filesize was an issue so it used the Comet sounds to keep the size down. Gary Jones did a lovely soundset for it which was uploaded to the now defunct Classic British Files/Britsim. When we shoved Derek's WIP Heron out of the hangar.. filesize was no longer an issue so I had Gary Jones do a soundset for it and this is the one included in the link above;)
Sadly.. Gary lost a lot of his files in a HD crash and with him only uploading to Britsim.. he no longer has copies but I still have a copy for the Dove should anyone want it:encouragement:

Those new textures look great btw. Greenies comments above hit the nail on the head.

ATB
DaveB:)

[nio]

Thank you G man

This is a really nice aircraft and takes me back to when I used to see at least one regularly.

Any TLC you can find time to apply will be much appreciated here.

Of course the Dove will be a must also when AH get to releasing it.


best

nio

[Alan_A]

Gman - really glad to see you taking this on. I've been a Heron fan ever since a Prinair San Juan-St. Thomas round trip in '73 - my first-ever low-altitude, "real flying" experience. Picked up the FR version but, perhaps like others here, found it a little lacking in character. I'd put that down to my own maybe over-romanticized memories. Still, I haven't spent as much time in it as I'd meant to. If you can bring out some more of its personality, I'll be glad to jump back in. Another great example of SOH volunteerism - for which, many thanks!

[gman5250]

Alan, Dave and everyone...thanks for the confirmation and support on this.

This is a good, solid model that is worth a real look. There are a lot of loose ends, like the landing gear that are basic 50% gray in the texture map, etc. Same with the interior. I'd say that with some work, this plane could be brought up to a high level of finish.

The paint kit is one of the best I've seen, with the UV mesh file included for easy reference. It responds well to contemporary texturing techniques, so IMHO it should seek it's potential.

I'll put together a basic set of textures like I did for the DAK with the four usual elements...aluminum dull and polished, and a matching set of two tones. From that foundation anyone can build a good set of skins.

I can't work on it full time, I'm in the home stretch to launch my product line, but I can have a set of skins for the Heron together fairly quickly. The interior may run a bit behind the externals.

I've got the bumps close to being dialed in, now I'm concentrating on the aluminum and basic painted skins with their respective alphas and spec files.

With the DAK cockpit, Rick's F9F skin, Manfred's KC97, the Milviz P-38 and Milton's "Bounty" running concurrent, things are looking really interesting lately.
I wish I had the time to model the Lycoming converted wing...maybe down the road.


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[gman5250]

Basic metal skin with un-painted fabric and fiberglass. I've detailed in the contours on the fab panels and started adding leading edge contours to aileron, flap, horizontal and vertical stabs. Other details like the gear and counterweights are coming into focus.
At this point the skin is a basic. I haven't added deep stress to the panels yet...no dings or scratches either. I've been working with the skin in different lighting conditions to find a good alpha and spec balance. I think the old girl is beginning to come into focus.

Have a look and hit me back with your thoughts or suggestions.


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[KevinJH]

Simply stunning, Gman :applause:

[dvj]

Basic metal skin with un-painted fabric and fiberglass. I've detailed in the contours on the fab panels and started adding leading edge contours to aileron, flap, horizontal and vertical stabs. Other details like the gear and counterweights are coming into focus.
At this point the skin is a basic. I haven't added deep stress to the panels yet...no dings or scratches either. I've been working with the skin in different lighting conditions to find a good alpha and spec balance. I think the old girl is beginning to come into focus.

Have a look and hit me back with your thoughts or suggestions.


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This is like a completely different aircraft. Well done!

[Mach3DS]

Stunning is the definitely the beginning and not the final word on this. Great job. Your specs are always so crisp. I need to pick your brain for about an hour, and I bet I could increase my knowledge 10 fold!

[DaveB]

I need to pick your brain for about an hour, and I bet I could increase my knowledge 10 fold!

Is that all??:biggrin-new:

Yup.. that ally looks great. Looking forward to seeing a lot more:encouragement:
ATB
DaveB:)

[gman5250]

Wellllll......

If we took an hour to pick my brain...thoroughly...completely, we'd still have about 59 minutes left over.

lol

[Daube]

As a simple "spectator", I have to say that I really enjoy this kind of topics, in which some texture artist makes a direct and brutal rework of a well-known model to literally transform it into almost a new thing.
This is, for a texture-ignorant like myself, quite enjoyable to say the least.
Thanks a lot (to you and, for example, Rick or John or any other texture artist) for what you do.

[Mach3DS]

ha! I wouldn't call myself an texture artist! I'd call Jankees, Gunnar, gman, John T, joseph, Gary, and the host of others here...I'm like the little dog from the Looney Toons cartoons that hops around the big dog all the time (if you remember that cartoon!) :P But thank you nonetheless!

[Roger]

That's great bare metal!

[ce_zeta]

Wow! nice work Gman! :encouragement:

[Portia911]

Stunning work, as always, Gman. Really looking forward to your enhancement of this classic bird. :applause:

[greenie]

I'm about to cry ! ..already I'll take it ! ..great work Gman.

...hmm ..er ..they do a good Me109 as well (hint) :)

[gman5250]

Most of the available photos show aircraft with thousands of service hours logged. The early black and whites indicate that, when new, most commercial aircraft had a more polished look. I've brought the Apache variant up to a factory new look.

The painted aircraft and military variants will retain their appropriate gloss levels or matte finish. I'll post up some shots of those later.

I've intentionally staged all of the screen caps to represent current "state-of-the-art" desktop simulator technology. I'm excited about where we are...and where we are going. Pretty inspiring...

Thank you Roger and everyone for your enthusiastic appraisal of the work.


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[gman5250]

Jersey Airlines with a more moderate, service skin. The update kit will have all the bits necessary to "refresh" your skins to this appearance.

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[DaveB]

Err.. WOW!!:applause:

ATB
DaveB:)

[KevinJH]

I fly the Apache airlines version quite a lot around the U.S. - it now looks like a completely new 'plane. Absolutely stunning :applause:

[William Njurmi]

Allright, I think it is time to install this plane. I bought it from sales last Christmas, but had not enthusiasm enough to install and test it as it looked like a plastic model in the screenshots. Thank You.

[chet twowolves]

Outstanding work I also fly the apache airlines around in my home state of new mexico. :applause:

[Alan_A]

Looking truly excellent.

Standing by, patiently, for one or another of those Prinair paints...

[gman5250]

Looking truly excellent.

Standing by, patiently, for one or another of those Prinair paints...

I did manage to find an unconverted Prinair Heron photograph.

I've added more texture to the aluminum panels and subtle shadowing around hatches, hinges and other bits. Also brought the wings to a nice service aircraft appearance. I think the basic kit is close...have a look and hit me with any details I'm overlooking.


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[TuFun]

My word "G"... stunning, realistic, and beautiful work! :adoration: P3Dv2 just makes it look a whole lot better!!!

[Alan_A]

I did manage to find an unconverted Prinair Heron.

Oh, that's a beauty!

Was just looking at Prinair Heron photos - had forgotten about the variety of colors. Thought immediately of Braniff, then discovered the Wikipedia entry makes the same comparison. I think mine was one of the red or orange ones, but at 40-plus years remove, I can't be sure. Doesn't matter. This one will do nicely. Am setting aside time to take her down to San Juan whenever you're ready. No rush, but when you're there, I'll be there.

Thanks for taking her on!

[gman5250]

I only had one photo for reference, on this skin. Poor quality, but good enough to get the lines and necessary data.

I've got the kit for the retractable variant almost ready. The fixed gear version is basically the same with a couple of extra parts. That kit can be done quickly.

I've been flying the Heron quite a bit while doing the dev work on the skins. I usually fly a tube once or twice a week to stay proficient, but low and slow is more to my liking. I love these old planes that need to be coaxed to flight speed. They keep you on your toes, rather than dialing in a power rating and watching the instruments.

Glad you liked the Prinair skin. I like the jelly bean colors, but those are all Lycoming conversions, so I thought I'd stay with this variant.



Hey, TuFun...thanks for the encouragement. BTW...great sound on the Strat...

[Alan_A]

Glad you liked the Prinair skin. I like the jelly bean colors, but those are all Lycoming conversions, so I thought I'd stay with this variant.

Ah, that makes sense. Sorry, I'm just coming up to speed on my Heron variants - been trying to master obscure Spitfires just recently (recon versions, field modifications and such) but my Herons are behind the curve. Would much rather stay authentic. I don't even like using Spitfire Mk V paints on the A2A Mk I/II, let alone the later versions, though I'll do it if I have to. So a correctly engined Heron is more than OK.

With you on low and slow. Three things stuck with me about those Prinair flights: the captain finishing his preflight, turning to all of us lined up on the ramp and saying "OK, let's go to St. Thomas"; the St. Thomas-bound flight, where we slowly (it seemed) overtook a big tanker at about 4,000 feet, and the return flight, where we flew out over the harbor at Charlotte Amalie, right overhead a lit-up cruise ship - Carnival's first, the Mardi Gras. A whole different way to fly. Regular airliner flying was never the same for me after that.

So between the Heron and Manfred's C-47, I'm good...

[KevinJH]

I can't be the only person slack-jawed at the quality of these textures - flippin' amazing..... :applause:

As an aside, digging around some sound files I have, I came across an old set done my David Copley & Mark Cranston for the Dove/Devon in FS9 back in 2006 and popped them in - really nice they are too. I'm not sure if they're still available but if anyone's interested, drop me a pm and I'll get them to you - file size around 10.7mbs :)

[chet twowolves]

Again great work. Looking for these repaints to go in my hanger. texture work is great!!!!

[gman5250]

I added a variation of aluminum textures to individual panels on the fuse, wings and nacelles. This really brought the skin(s) to an almost photorealistic appearance, with subtle flaws and scratches adding to the overall effect. I had been working with 32 bit textures, but they render unwanted patterns in the skin at 4096 resolution. I kept the 4096 and am going to stick with DXT5.

The four basic models are ready to go. These are aluminum service skin, polished aluminum, two tone service skin and two tone high polish. These should be a good foundation for paints. I didn't over do the details...I'll leave that for the painters.

The upgrade kit will apply to all existing skins with new bumps and spec files. I'll release individual skins i.e. Prinair, Apache and RAF as separate releases. If there is enough interest, I'll tidy up the Photoshop PK and post that up as well.

P3Dv2 HDR lighting absolutely loves these skins. They are extremely dynamic when flown on DX11 capable systems. FSX with Steve's Fixer is quite nice as well. Haven't had a look in Steam yet....

Thoughts...opinions....suggestions...all welcome.

Polished Aluminum
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Polished Two Tone
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Service Two Tone
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[dvj]

I added a variation of aluminum textures to individual panels on the fuse, wings and nacelles. This really brought the skin(s) to an almost photorealistic appearance, with subtle flaws and scratches adding to the overall effect. I had been working with 32 bit textures, but they render unwanted patterns in the skin at 4096 resolution. I kept the 4096 and am going to stick with DXT5.

The four basic models are ready to go. These are aluminum service skin, polished aluminum, two tone service skin and two tone high polish. These should be a good foundation for paints. I didn't over do the details...I'll leave that for the painters.

The upgrade kit will apply to all existing skins with new bumps and spec files. I'll release individual skins i.e. Prinair, Apache and RAF as separate releases. If there is enough interest, I'll tidy up the Photoshop PK and post that up as well.

P3Dv2 HDR lighting absolutely loves these skins. They are extremely dynamic when flown on DX11 capable systems. FSX with Steve's Fixer is quite nice as well. Haven't had a look in Steam yet....

Thoughts...opinions....suggestions...all welcome.

Polished Aluminum


Service Aluminum


Polished Two Tone


Service Two Tone
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The forward section looks like a different rivet pattern. Is this normal to the aircraft? I didn't notice that in previous shots.

[greenie]

Superb !...looking absolutely great . I am getting really excited here , particularly with the thought of interior textures too ! Many thanks "G"

[gman5250]

The forward section looks like a different rivet pattern. Is this normal to the aircraft? I didn't notice that in previous shots.

I checked the pattern against available photos and it looks like it's accurate. I did go back and dial up the detail in the bump maps, adding expansion stress and general contouring on all of the surfaces. The last set of photos are showing the new bump files.

I'm still digging about for more reference photos to get the relief profiles as close as I can get them. This is the kind of input I'm looking for...thanks.

[greenie]

I know the Dove had a fabric Rudder/ailerons and wondered if the same was true about the Heron . Checked out Wikipedia and she's all metal.

They had this photo of a good looking instrument panel . Maybe some inspiration ?

Jumping the gun , I know !




http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/04/18/DHHeron.jpg

[DaveB]

I know the Dove had a fabric Rudder/ailerons and wondered if the same was true about the Heron . Checked out Wikipedia and she's all metal.


Not quite sure where Wiki got that information from but the control surfaces on the Heron are fabric covered. The outer wings and tail are pretty much straight off the shelf Dove parts. This was done for a couple of reasons.. a) to keep manufacturing costs down and b) to offer a better degree of commonality of spares for operators using both types. It's going back a bit now but I'm sure this is right;)

ATB
DaveB:)

[gman5250]

That's an outstanding cockpit reference photo. I'll archive that one. BTW... have a look at what is sitting just inside the hangar door...

I'm quite certain that the Dove and Heron did use shared parts and had cloth aileron, h and v stab. I had a helluva time finding reference photos to count the actual ribs....I may or not be absolutely accurate in the art, but I can always correct any bits that need fixing.

Wikipedia is always a good source for information, but bear in mind that all data is contributor based. Checks and balances are built in to the interface so that corrections can be made on the fly.

I did do some quick mods on the cockpit and interior, those will be included in the skins releases.

I'll go have another read on the Wiki site.....

Edit: I read the Wiki entry. I think when the article states that the aircraft was all metal construction, they were pointing out the distinction of the Dove and Heron from earlier plywood aircraft that DH had produced during the war. The description was a bit ambiguous, and not anatomically comprehensive...

Good input though...

G

[DaveB]

:encouragement:

Good spot GMAN. The Heron is G-AOTI at the DH Museum in London Colney. I've been inside her but she was a bit rough and ready at the time. The outside was being blasted ready to accept her original RR colours but they were good enough to let me in. The Mossie you see through the windows is immaculate. It wouldn't take much to get her flying but there is no intention to do so. The team would rather have an immaculate example than have one damaged in an accident.. possibly lost forever. In the hangar around the corner is an original P model. Looking at the field alongside the DHM (which is where the prototype was built) it's difficult to believe it took off from there!!
The cream panel in AOTI wasn't standard fit and was undoubtedly specified by RR.. it being the company hack and fitted out to match RR's standing;)

G-AREA is there too.. a Mk8 Dove painted as she was as the BAe hack. You can't get into the flightdeck mind you.. too many folk with sticky fingers taking keep-sakes have seen to that:banghead: Incidentally.. the panel in Derek Palmers FS9 Dove is based on G-AREA and his FS9 Heron is based loosely on AOTI.

ATB
DaveB:)

[DaveWG]

Ahh, the DH Museum! Spent a good few hours in there.:biggrin-new:

[gman5250]

I remember falling in love with the Mossie when I saw Squadron 633 as a kid. Ever since then it has been my unsurpassed favorite. That being said, I would be ecstatic to see a state-of-the-art model of the Hornet/Sea Hornet. If I were to have one wish...it would be to have a go at a real Hornet...just once. :applause:

[dvj]

I checked the pattern against available photos and it looks like it's accurate. I did go back and dial up the detail in the bump maps, adding expansion stress and general contouring on all of the surfaces. The last set of photos are showing the new bump files.

I'm still digging about for more reference photos to get the relief profiles as close as I can get them. This is the kind of input I'm looking for...thanks.

Looking at the best web photos, it looks spot on.

d

[greenie]

That's an outstanding cockpit reference photo. I'll archive that one. BTW... have a look at what is sitting just inside the hangar door...

I'm quite certain that the Dove and Heron did use shared parts and had cloth aileron, h and v stab..


G

I actually replaced the fabric from a rudder of a Dove some decades ago, and just to clarify G's post - trying to remember ! - I thought the fin is metal covered (Dural ) but rudder is fabric , same with wings of course - wing metal, aileron fabric ( Dacron) .
Confirmed by Mr Google

[mikew]

Gman,
I think these new textures look great! I just did a couple of skins for the Heron and was not particularly happy with the polished metal portion so I've not released them. I was about to start fiddling with the metal when I saw this thread. I am very interested in your new textures and revised paint kits. I'll gladly redo the work I did so far using your new paint-kits. I look forward to their release. Thanks for all of your work!

Mike

[ryanbatc]

I don't have this aircraft but just wanted to say excellent work on the repaints... they are awesome!

[thunder100]

I did manage to find an unconverted Prinair Heron photograph.

I've added more texture to the aluminum panels and subtle shadowing around hatches, hinges and other bits. Also brought the wings to a nice service aircraft appearance. I think the basic kit is close...have a look and hit me with any details I'm overlooking.


http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/DH-114_37_zpszyrwmzu4.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/DH-114_37_zpszyrwmzu4.jpg.html)

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/DH-114_34_zpsmgzy0r09.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/DH-114_34_zpsmgzy0r09.jpg.html)

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/DH-114_36_zpsywgzfsyv.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/DH-114_36_zpsywgzfsyv.jpg.html)

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/DH-114_35_zps6sxky0bl.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/DH-114_35_zps6sxky0bl.jpg.html)
Where would an interested one get that ?

thanks for a pointer

Roland

[gman5250]

Where would an interested one get that ?

thanks for a pointer

Roland

I'll bump this thread when I release the skins. I'm working on the last details for the cockpit upgrade. Almost done.

All of the skins will be available on this site.

[DaveB]

Cheers gman.. appreciate it:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[gman5250]

I had quite a few plates in the air which took time away from the work on the Heron.

I've got the entire retractable gear group updated and ready to upload. I'll start that in the AM.
In addition to the existing liveries, I've created six additional paint ready skins. There are subtle differences in each skin so your paints should be quite unique.

Polished Aluminum
Service Aluminum

Polished Two Tone
Service Two Tone

Painted Silver
Silver and White Two Tone

For those who do not want to use my modified skins, I'll zip up a generic bump, spec pak for the existing skins.

There will be a PK in Photoshop Layers for the serious skinners.


I thought you would like some happy snaps of the cockpit mods while I get the zip files ready for upload.

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/DH-114_54_zpsmczxek2b.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/DH-114_54_zpsmczxek2b.jpg.html)

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/DH-114_55_zpsgtqbvt1a.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/DH-114_55_zpsgtqbvt1a.jpg.html)

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/DH-114_52_zpsftz5hlbc.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/DH-114_52_zpsftz5hlbc.jpg.html)

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/DH-114_53_zpsog40qjip.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/DH-114_53_zpsog40qjip.jpg.html)

[Alan_A]

@gman - those snaps are definitely happy. Really looking forward to settling into your VC.

[gman5250]

I've spent the last two years immersing myself in scenery design.

Preview: P3Dv2.5 shot of the Heron in a very Heron like setting. We're coming very close to the point of being able to experience virtual reality in the sim.

Scenery WIP. Eastern Sierra Nevada Mountains, California.

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/KMMH-HD_041_zpsygwxgwjl.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/KMMH-HD_041_zpsygwxgwjl.jpg.html)

[DaveWG]

Great work Gman. :encouragement: Looking forward to the release.:biggrin-new:

[thunder100]

I'll bump this thread when I release the skins. I'm working on the last details for the cockpit upgrade. Almost done.

All of the skins will be available on this site.

THANKS A LOT

Roland

[greenie]

Excellent stuff Gman. Not long now . Cheers.

My problem with Flight Replicas in the vc is the consistancy of their textures, in both Me109 and Heron . Something like the joy/control stick becomes hard to see as the textures from the background panel and stick tend to merge together - I have trouble distinguishing one thing from another as surfaces blend in to one another .

This has improved a bit with P3Dv4 (about to download v5 at the end of this week) and shadows . My sim looks ok on all other things and is set up"normally" .

Here's one little jockey thats going to enjoy your work :)

[KevinJH]

Superb - really appreciate the time and effort you're spending on this, Gman - outstanding shots :applause:

[DaveB]

What they all said:encouragement: Even though I love the Heron (and the Dove) I don't fly it much. This should see it getting a LOT more use:ernaehrung004:

ATB
DaveB:)

[gman5250]

Bump:

Been trying for a couple of days to upload the files. No joy.

I contacted admin....I'll get it sorted out.

Sorry for the delay gentlemen.

Gman....holding

[ce_zeta]

Fantastic work Gordon :encouragement:

They should hire you. Surely your work will boost the sales of this addon.

[gman5250]

Bump...again:

Well....unfortunately gentlemen, I've had precisely zero response from admin on my request to look at my upload glitch. I've exhausted my options, and patience, in repeated attempts to get these skins posted to this site.

I've put over 150 hours into this work, which I was hoping to share with this community. Over the last two or three years, I've supported this site financially and contributed many hundreds of hours of my time to the SOH community. Pro Bono.

Had I posted a politically unsavory topic, admin would have descended upon the transgression within seconds of the post. When I ask for help or response in kind for my contributions, my inquires remain moot.

I am compelled to apologize to those who were looking forward to these Heron paints. Sorry to disappoint you gentlemen, and ladies. Perhaps if you PM me, we can make other arrangements.

Gman.............................................. .......

[Roger]

Gman check your pms. I am unaware of your uploading problems.

[Roger]

I have posted gman's issues in our admin forum and hopefully they can be uploaded shortly.

Roger.

[greenie]

Phew !!....glad something is going to happen . Was getting a bit worried there !

THANK YOU Gman for your efforts . I'll wait awhile for the offerings to be uploaded before I pm you .
Cheers and Beers . :)

[Alan_A]

Standing by as well but will be in touch by pm if for any reason the upload doesn't happen.

[KevinJH]

PM at the ready if the upload fails..... ;)

[gman5250]

We're working on getting it up on the site. May have to do it by email, but it will get done.

Gman.......

[chet twowolves]

PM at the ready also.

[Roger]

We're working on getting it up on the site. May have to do it by email, but it will get done.

Gman.......

Now Rami's on the case it should be with us all soon.:jump:

[Anneke]

Still nothing?

[chet twowolves]

Hanger doors open!!!. Pm still on stand by.

[ejoiner]

Wow Wow! I dont own this one yet, but with all these awesome mods, I may have to go get this. I've always liked the Dove/Heron aircraft in real life. Between this and the JF F27, I think I know what I'll be flying soon.

[thefrog]

I'll definitely get the Heron when (if?) this gets uploaded

[gman5250]

Bump:

Rami should have the first set of files now. These will be the six paintable skins, blank aluminum, silver painted and two tones etc. with the upgraded mods. The repaints of the existing liveries will follow directly behind.

It's been a headache for sure. Never did figure out the hitch, so we did the work around.

Public TY to Roger and Rami for stepping up on this one.

G.......


Edit...

First batch is up...enjoy.

Hit me back here if you get any issues.

[chet twowolves]

Thank you for the outstanding skins. And your hard work !!!!. Again Thanks.
Chet Two Wolves

[Roger]

The next package is up now!

[DaveB]

Cheers Rog.. pulled em both:encouragement:

I've had a look at the RN and RAF paints for XM296 and nice as these new textures are.. they make the lower fuse look blue not grey as it should be. However.. the new maps open up great possibilities for XM296 in another life. She was once part of the Queens Flight and appeared with fully polished ally. Should someone have a go at that.. I'll bite their hands off:encouragement:

EDIT: http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1051311/

I'm also using Bob's global Envmap btw.. not sure if that's adding to the blue.
ATB
DaveB:)

[Fireball6]

Thanks for all the work you've done Gman - absolut great :applause:

Kindest regards

Dirk

[gman5250]

Cheers Rog.. pulled em both:encouragement:

I've had a look at the RN and RAF paints for XM296 and nice as these new textures are.. they make the lower fuse look blue not grey as it should be. However.. the new maps open up great possibilities for XM296 in another life. She was once part of the Queens Flight and appeared with fully polished ally. Should someone have a go at that.. I'll bite their hands off:encouragement:

EDIT: http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1051311/

I'm also using Bob's global Envmap btw.. not sure if that's adding to the blue.
ATB
DaveB:)

XM296 RAF should display neutral gray in the sim, which is very good at rendering light/reflection, but not always perfect.
http://avia-dejavu.net/XM269.jpg

My source photos for XR442 Royal Navy showed a tiny bit more color.
http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1306003M.jpg

If the consensus is neutral gray for Royal Navy, I can make the mod. I can also provide a more neutral spec map. Spec on matte military paints can be a challenge when taking into consideration the myriad of system mods out there.

The current spec channel will shift towards blue/gray, and the env map/Fresnel combination may vary depending on your setup.

I created all of the skins with very little service wear with the intent that the end user can use the basic skins as a canvas to add their own enhancements as they see fit. My modified paint kit will provide all of the layers necessary to do very detailed mods to any of the aircraft.

I'm always looking for feedback gentlemen...so don't be shy.

[DaveB]

RGr that Gman:encouragement:

I'll pop the default global env back and take another look. While Bob's works absolutely brilliantly most of the time.. it does have trade-offs with certain paints.. the WBS Restored set for one. All the polished ally paints look blue unless you fly the model on a knife-edge out of the skies reflection.;)
ATB
DaveB:)

[gman5250]

I actually use Bob's env map as my default in all three sims. I keep a folder of env and Fresnel maps just in case I need to tweak a thing here or there. I find that I do a lot of tweaking...lol.

This particular model was extremely friendly towards alphas, specs etc. One could spend an immense amount of time fine tuning individual aircraft. This was what drew me to this Heron, besides the fact that I love both the Heron and the Dove.

When I have more time to devote to paints, I'll have a go at some of the other variants....

This is just toooo lovely.

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/DH-114-XM296_zpsvk5vchsh.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/DH-114-XM296_zpsvk5vchsh.jpg.html)

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/Thumbnail017_zps6xzdgxth.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/Thumbnail017_zps6xzdgxth.jpg.html)

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/Thumbnail016_zpsbaleqfyt.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/Thumbnail016_zpsbaleqfyt.jpg.html)

[William Njurmi]

She´s so cool now. I think the developer owns you a beer. Its like a different plane. Million thanks!

[DaveB]

I don't see a hi-vis vest on that girlie!!:biggrin-new:

Not sure if the polished metal needs a bit more polish to be QF standard (it looked like chrome.. almost!!). I'm pretty sure QF aircraft carry a crest too but that's a cool paint nonetheless:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[KevinJH]

Much appreciation and thanks for all the time and effort you've put into this, Gman - incredible job, thank-you :applause:

[jankees]

I was never really interested in this aircraft, but I am sorely tempted now...
Outstanding work, gman!

[gman5250]

I was never really interested in this aircraft, but I am sorely tempted now...
Outstanding work, gman!
Thank you Jankees,

You can rest assured that I will sprint to the MV P-38 the moment it's released. Your work on that project is absolutely magnificent.

G

[DaveWG]

Many thanks for these Gman. Excellent work.:encouragement:

[gman5250]

I took XM-296 QF more in the direction of highly polished aluminum. If we can find some source photos I can bring the details into focus.

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/Thumbnail018_zpsesb7zyaz.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/Thumbnail018_zpsesb7zyaz.jpg.html)

[DaveB]

Hi Gman:wavey:

Here's a couple showing the location of the QF logo and the logo itself..
http://daveb.cbfsim.org/public/qfheron.jpg

http://daveb.cbfsim.org/public/qflogo.jpg

EDIT: To qualify the above.. that's Prince Phillip in the LH seat of his 'personal' Heron C3.. XH375.
EDIT#2: another link.. http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=17968
ATB
DaveB:)

[peterwatkins2]

Hi Gman:wavey:

Here's a couple showing the location of the QF logo and the logo itself..
http://daveb.cbfsim.org/public/qfheron.jpg

http://daveb.cbfsim.org/public/qflogo.jpg

EDIT: To qualify the above.. that's Prince Phillip in the LH seat of his 'personal' Heron C3.. XH375.
EDIT#2: another link.. http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=17968
ATB
DaveB:)

BTW the fuselage stripe on XH375 was 'Edinburgh Green' not the blue of the other aircraft!
Excellent stuff gman. When your paintkit is issued I will use it to re-vamp the Heron paints I have done (with your permission!).

Peter W

[gman5250]

I took some of the roundness off the sides of the nacelles, brought up the alpha a bit more, added the QF Crest and detailed a bit here and there.

Glad everyone likes the work. The PK will bring a whole new palette of paints to this lovely lady.

When I get the PK uploaded, everyone has my full permissions to create and publish their own skins.
FYI: The skin tweaks for this high polish look are simple slider adjustments in the PK files. It's all in there.

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/Thumbnail019_zpspjyamb4i.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/Thumbnail019_zpspjyamb4i.jpg.html)

[ejoiner]

XM296 RAF should display neutral gray in the sim, which is very good at rendering light/reflection, but not always perfect.
http://avia-dejavu.net/XM269.jpg

My source photos for XR442 Royal Navy showed a tiny bit more color.
http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1306003M.jpg

If the consensus is neutral gray for Royal Navy, I can make the mod. I can also provide a more neutral spec map. Spec on matte military paints can be a challenge when taking into consideration the myriad of system mods out there.

The current spec channel will shift towards blue/gray, and the env map/Fresnel combination may vary depending on your setup.

I created all of the skins with very little service wear with the intent that the end user can use the basic skins as a canvas to add their own enhancements as they see fit. My modified paint kit will provide all of the layers necessary to do very detailed mods to any of the aircraft.

I'm always looking for feedback gentlemen...so don't be shy.


First and foremost, thanks for this great effort. I actually bought the plane because of this work. :-)

3 questions.

1. I use FSX and have a non default install. F:\FSX when I copied the new skins over to my ../simobjects/Airplanes/DH-114 Heron folder, the aircraft wouldnt show up in the simulation. I did the usual checks on aircraft.cfg sequencing order, etc. but still no go. I isolated it to the texture.cfg which seems to map to some other file structure, perhaps P3D? I noticed that the default structure for this AC does not have a texture.cfg, so perhaps thats it. I blunt forced it by copying my texture folder to the individual livery folders to test this out and then it worked. Not sure if theres a more elegant way to work that.

2. I dont use DX10 etc. I use ENBseries.ini etc. I find that some aircraft, particularly the Apache Airlines Heron, are too shiny. How can I back that off some?

3. Your blank aluminum liveries are awesome. However, I cant open them up in Photoshop because the files are too big. Photoshop 7, which I use (and admittedly OLD), doesnt like those huge textures above 2048x2048.dds Possible to get a set of these that are 2048x2048? I find that textures above this on my machine at least, really just suck FPS.

[greenie]

Thank you Gordan,

Up and running, great job. Made a huge difference to my pleasure levels !!


http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/05/06/2015-5-6_12-32-13-715.jpg




http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/05/06/2015-5-6_12-53-0-659.jpg


Can't wait to see what comes next !..quality for sure :)

[Alan_A]

Just back from a short test hop in the Prinair paint. What a fantastic improvement - a whole different airplane. Many, many thanks!

One question - I notice in P3D 2.5 that the cockpit windshield reflections are pretty fierce - picking up clouds, I think. I haven't flown the original in a long time and can't recall whether that was a feature of the original as well. Are there options for toning it down? And are they realistic? If not, I'll be more than happy to keep flying it as is and will just tell myself that it's spent a lot of time in the salt air - which for Prinair is pretty much on target.

Really just a minor question about a truly great effort. Thanks again for putting the Heron back in my fleet!

[TuFun]

Wow "G"... really look authentic! There are painters, then there's you... one of a kind true artist!!!

[jankees]

The QF seems to have a white(?) line on either side of the color band, and an outline along the first window?

[gman5250]

First and foremost, thanks for this great effort. I actually bought the plane because of this work. :-)

3 questions.

1. I use FSX and have a non default install. F:\FSX when I copied the new skins over to my ../simobjects/Airplanes/DH-114 Heron folder, the aircraft wouldnt show up in the simulation. I did the usual checks on aircraft.cfg sequencing order, etc. but still no go. I isolated it to the texture.cfg which seems to map to some other file structure, perhaps P3D? I noticed that the default structure for this AC does not have a texture.cfg, so perhaps thats it. I blunt forced it by copying my texture folder to the individual livery folders to test this out and then it worked. Not sure if theres a more elegant way to work that.

2. I dont use DX10 etc. I use ENBseries.ini etc. I find that some aircraft, particularly the Apache Airlines Heron, are too shiny. How can I back that off some?

3. Your blank aluminum liveries are awesome. However, I cant open them up in Photoshop because the files are too big. Photoshop 7, which I use (and admittedly OLD), doesnt like those huge textures above 2048x2048.dds Possible to get a set of these that are 2048x2048? I find that textures above this on my machine at least, really just suck FPS.



3 Answsers: :untroubled:

1. FSX, Steam and P3D reference aircraft using the same syntax, so this should not be an issue. Your install disk for the sim should not be a problem as long as you are pointing everything to that disk. I run my P3D on an isolated SSD Locan Disk (E). I've never had any issues, except with the intricate stitching together the various permissions needed to run networked weather and navigation softwares'.

The default aircraft contain a set of common files in each texture folder. I created a texture folder to carry all of the common files. If you install either or both of my upgrade sets, the individual texture folders contain a .cfg file coded to fall back to the common texture folder. Folder name texture.
Note: The texture file in either set is identical, so if you install both of my upgrades you can simply overwrite that file with no negative impact on the set.

If you have installed both of my sets, you should remove the original aircraft folders that are replaced by my upgraded. In your aircraft.cfg file, overwrite the old entries with the replacement entries. The six additional new entries can be added in any sequence to the aircraft.cfg file. Everything should display normally if you follow the procedure in the readme file I put in the kit.

2. DX9 will display alpha layers differently than DX10 or DX11. I run my FSX setup at DX9 to assure I have a good baseline to reference. All of my textures definitely display better in P3Dv2, they are designed around DX10 or DX11. If you think the DX9 versions are too strong, I can make a DX9 specific set. I would however strongly Steve's DX10 fixer if you have a compatible video card.

3. I totally forgot how much of a PITA early Photoshop was when working with large files. I'll make an alternative 1024 version of the PK to be more PS friendly.

Let me know if my tips get you straightened out on your install

[gman5250]

Just back from a short test hop in the Prinair paint. What a fantastic improvement - a whole different airplane. Many, many thanks!

One question - I notice in P3D 2.5 that the cockpit windshield reflections are pretty fierce - picking up clouds, I think. I haven't flown the original in a long time and can't recall whether that was a feature of the original as well. Are there options for toning it down? And are they realistic? If not, I'll be more than happy to keep flying it as is and will just tell myself that it's spent a lot of time in the salt air - which for Prinair is pretty much on target.

Really just a minor question about a truly great effort. Thanks again for putting the Heron back in my fleet!


You're definitely welcome to the skins. I do these skins for my own personal enjoyment, but I think I would be a bit of an arse to not share with this community.

You're right, the cockpit reflections are strong. I haven't looked at that yet, but it should be a basic alpha channel tweak to fix it. I'll have a look.

[gman5250]

Wow "G"... really look authentic! There are painters, then there's you... one of a kind true artist!!!

Thanks TF, you are a true friend.

[gman5250]

The QF seems to have a white(?) line on either side of the color band, and an outline along the first window?


Good eye Jankees. I'm still tracking down reference materials on XM-296 and can't establish whether it had that white border or not. I'm working on XH-375, which definitely does have the details you pointed out.

Right now I'm concentrating on the color and alpha balance in the spec file to get the proper level of light/color reflection. For high polish, I shift my spec more towards black to get that blackish reflection you see on polished chrome/aluminum. I'm close...you know how it goes. lol

[gman5250]

BTW the fuselage stripe on XH375 was 'Edinburgh Green' not the blue of the other aircraft!
Excellent stuff gman. When your paintkit is issued I will use it to re-vamp the Heron paints I have done (with your permission!).

Peter W

Thank you for the color tip Peter. When I was a kid building models I had a complete set of Profile Publications books to reference. I sure wish I still had those...they were magnificent.

[DaveWG]

The default aircraft contain a set of common files in each texture folder. I created a texture folder to carry all of the common files. If you install either or both of my upgrade sets, the individual texture folders contain a .cfg file coded to fall back to the common texture folder. Folder name texture.
Note: The texture file in either set is identical, so if you install both of my upgrades you can simply overwrite that file with no negative impact on the set.

One thing to note, if you copy the upgraded files straight into the original folders, any textures that Gman has moved to a shared texture folder will remain in individual folders untouched, so FSX will use those first before looking in the shared texture folder defined in the texture.cfg.

[ejoiner]

3 Answsers: :untroubled:

1. FSX, Steam and P3D reference aircraft using the same syntax, so this should not be an issue. Your install disk for the sim should not be a problem as long as you are pointing everything to that disk. I run my P3D on an isolated SSD Locan Disk (E). I've never had any issues, except with the intricate stitching together the various permissions needed to run networked weather and navigation softwares'.

The default aircraft contain a set of common files in each texture folder. I created a texture folder to carry all of the common files. If you install either or both of my upgrade sets, the individual texture folders contain a .cfg file coded to fall back to the common texture folder. Folder name texture.
Note: The texture file in either set is identical, so if you install both of my upgrades you can simply overwrite that file with no negative impact on the set.

If you have installed both of my sets, you should remove the original aircraft folders that are replaced by my upgraded. In your aircraft.cfg file, overwrite the old entries with the replacement entries. The six additional new entries can be added in any sequence to the aircraft.cfg file. Everything should display normally if you follow the procedure in the readme file I put in the kit.

2. DX9 will display alpha layers differently than DX10 or DX11. I run my FSX setup at DX9 to assure I have a good baseline to reference. All of my textures definitely display better in P3Dv2, they are designed around DX10 or DX11. If you think the DX9 versions are too strong, I can make a DX9 specific set. I would however strongly Steve's DX10 fixer if you have a compatible video card.

3. I totally forgot how much of a PITA early Photoshop was when working with large files. I'll make an alternative 1024 version of the PK to be more PS friendly.

Let me know if my tips get you straightened out on your install


Thanks a lot for the detailed answers. I actually do have Steves DX10 fixer etc. However, I use DX9 ENB Series because I have a version that I can use for night vision that works great. I love that for night time, foul weather down on the deck flying in helicopters and fast jets. Trade off is some things like cockpit shadows etc.

Appreciate the willingness to humor me on the PK... :-)

[DaveB]

Thank you for the color tip Peter. When I was a kid building models I had a complete set of Profile Publications books to reference. I sure wish I still had those...they were magnificent.

Gman.. I've got 001-262 handy and believe it or not.. the Heron isn't among them! If there's anything you need in the future.. drop me a line and I'll see if I have it;)

ATB
DaveB:)

[gman5250]

Gman.. I've got 001-262 handy and believe it or not.. the Heron isn't among them! If there's anything you need in the future.. drop me a line and I'll see if I have it;)

ATB
DaveB:)

It's always the case isn't it? Never the one you need. Wouldn't it be great if they digitized all of that art and data...what a resource that would be.

When I was an kid and teenager, I didn't realize nor appreciate how fortunate I was. My dad ran the largest U.S. model airplane plans mail order business for years. In our garage we had all of the Profile Publications booklets, ABT decals, Official paints, RC Modeler, Aero Modeler, Flug & Model Technik, and other RC plans. I had a full balsa rack, glues, silk and the rest. We had a family 152 Aerobat that I took lessons in and I was encouraged to start slinging an airbrush at 7 years old.

I still paint by hand with a collection of Iwata pens, but Photoshop has taken priority. Today I took delivery of a Wacom Pro 17" tablet and am acclimating myself to the touch screen/pen interface as I type this post. Only one word....amazing!!! The airbrush background will be a huge advantage. :applause:

[gman5250]

If anyone has lower wing shots of either or the QF aircraft I'd like to see those.

I'm interested in wing number size and orientation. I have one shot of XH-375 which shows larger numbers than standard RAF.

Is the Edinburgh Green accurate in this screen cap?

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/********/Thumbnail020_zpsmx9nzzdw.jpg (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/********/media/Thumbnail020_zpsmx9nzzdw.jpg.html)

[srgalahad]

Like many aircraft that got transfered around, both XM296 and XH375 apparently carried a variety of colours.

XM296 went from the old polished alum to grey/white/blue and then when transferred to the Navy the blue was changed to green but I think Edinburgh Green is not the FAA shade used on the "Admiral's Barge".
.
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=%22de+havillan d+dh-114%22&airlinesearch=&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&daterange=&keywords=xm296&range=&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page_limit=15&thumbnails=
http://www.abpic.co.uk/search.php?q=XM296&u=reg
http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1032444/

few pics of XH375 seem to be around except for those while in it's day-glo & black scheme but one I found certainly appears blue - it's likely the same underwing shot you have: http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/AE/AE03-5/14-2.jpg

While it looks like there is a light/white line surrounding the blue I'm wondering if it might not be a 'blush' due to the contrast in the photo or a highlight from rivet lines. http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1051311/

BTW, General motors used the colour "Edinburgh Green" on 1977 models
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?color=Edinburgh%20Green&con=1&page=1&rows=50&size=large

BTW G, XM296/N82D is sorta in your neighbourhood- it's based in Albany OR but the CofR has lapsed so I don't know if it's a WIP or now going to be derelict.

[gman5250]

Bump:

Just popping in to thank everyone for their helpful links, photos and data. I'll follow up on these.

I'll be offline for 10 days, so I won't be able to respond to posts.

In the meantime...I hope you all enjoy the updated skins.

Gman...

[Dumonceau]

Enjoying? With your new textures and the sounds, it's a whole new model!!!

Enjoy your time off!

Johan

[Peg o my heart]

Enjoyed reading the whole thread, indeed, it looks like a different model

[vortex]

Just an update for anyone thinking of buying this great classic aircraft. It's currently selling on FS PilotShop for the bargain price of $14.98 - half price!

[DaveB]

Yup.. all Flight Replicas models are 50% off for Fathers Day:)

ATB
DaveB:)

[txnetcop]

Yup.. all Flight Replicas models are 50% off for Fathers Day:)

ATB
DaveB:)

I've got almost all of Mike's planes...he does some awesome work!!!
Ted

[fuzz1]

OK...I just had to bite on this one. Father's Day after all :)
Just downloaded all files 5 min's ago (DH114, gman500's updates and cbfsim's version for the sound files), so have not even installed it yet.

Whether I enjoy this or not remains to be seen as it's not the type of aircraft I usually buy, but this is largely irrelevant.

I just really enjoy seeing efforts like ********'s; labours of love for the sake of our hobby and not just the almighty buck. Such efforts appear
increasingly rare as the years pass. Gman, many thanks for your kind efforts, obvious talents and for sharing. This not only got my nod but show of
support in the form of a purchase.

I take this opportunity to thank all at SOH who selflessly give to advance our hobby for its own sake.

[bruce448]

I don't know if this shot of a Green Parrot will help you with the FAA Admirals Barge notice the gold trim between the green and white.

http://s15.postimg.org/z3vpbbga3/Green_Parrot.jpg


From memory I think the colour was called Grass Green BS381c 218

RGB 82, 132, 49

#528431 http://www.color-hex.com/color/528431

[fuzz1]

I've spent some time with the Heron today and I'm enjoying it beyond what I initially expected. Superb exterior model transformed by gman's handiwork. This is a stunning bird to look at from exterior views. The engine nacelles and rivet work are simply outstanding. While the prop spinners are not animated, I don't find this takes much away from an otherwise beautifully constructed model.

Be warned however as this one has earned the 'biggest bird with the slowest speed' award in my hangar :) This actually adds to its character however; needs to be flown carefully. I had a few...um...exciting moments navigating the Swiss/Austrian alps as passengers screamed in horror. Need planning and thought given modest climb rates and long takeoff runs. I've resisted the temptation to increase power in the .cfg or lighten the load below 100% as I do prefer it this way. I do miss playing with prop and mixture controls but this also provides for uniqueness in comparison to others in my hangar.

I was also getting nasty cockpit glass reflections with gman's textures (using fsx dx9) and after some mucking about managed to find a texture file called "GlobalEnv_AC_Chrome.dds that I turned off and this appears to have eradicated the issue. Completely clean glass now which I actually prefer in order to take in my scenery unimpeded. Gman please let me know whether this was a smart thing to do or not...I don't quite know if turning off this texture file might affect anything else you've done to enhance this model.

Gman, if you wouldn't mind identifying the texture file associated with the VC's 'ceiling' I would be most obliged. Compared to the default textures the ceiling now appears blocky and pixelated with exaggerated color gradients. The default ceiling looks much better on my setup for some reason. I think I'd like to replace that particular file with the default one unless another solution is evident. Thanks for your anticipated response.

Also, I did download the suggested sound files in the first post; quite an improvement, but I seem to loose other sounds....cockpit, gear up/down, etc. I managed to copy over some gear sounds and that now works but wonder if anyone here has perfected a nice sound set using the enhanced sound files, tweaked for full effect on the DH114. The replacement sounds also do not appear to embrace sound cones and such; I'm by no means an fsx sound tweaking expert. Any advice here would be most appreciated. The makeover this fine aircraft has been given is well-deserved.

[fuzz1]

One thing to note, if you copy the upgraded files straight into the original folders, any textures that Gman has moved to a shared texture folder will remain in individual folders untouched, so FSX will use those first before looking in the shared texture folder defined in the texture.cfg.

I've only just begun to understand how all these textures work. I'm not quite clear on a couple of things I've noticed after installing gman's enhanced textures. Taking the Prinair livery for example, there exists a file within the specific Prinair texture folder"144_Wings.dds" that is 22k large and appears to be in 4096 DX5 format. In the common 'texture' folder however, this identical file exists also, but it is 87kb large and seems to be in 4096 32-bit. Are you suggesting that the smaller DX5 file is what fsx is using for this specific texture when loading the Prinair livery, ignoring the larger 32-bit one? Does this seem correct? Should fsx not be using the larger, presumably more detailed file? I've noticed several examples of files
duplicated as between the common and more specific texture folders.

[Roger]

...Gman, if you wouldn't mind identifying the texture file associated with the VC's 'ceiling' I would be most obliged. Compared to the default textures the ceiling now appears blocky and pixelated with exaggerated color gradients. The default ceiling looks much better on my setup for some reason. I think I'd like to replace that particular file with the default one unless another solution is evident. Thanks for your anticipated response.


The ceiling texture is 144_2.dds. I copied this file from my back up textures and now all is good.

[fuzz1]

Thanks Roger

[gman5250]

I've only just begun to understand how all these textures work. I'm not quite clear on a couple of things I've noticed after installing gman's enhanced textures. Taking the Prinair livery for example, there exists a file within the specific Prinair texture folder"144_Wings.dds" that is 22k large and appears to be in 4096 DX5 format. In the common 'texture' folder however, this identical file exists also, but it is 87kb large and seems to be in 4096 32-bit. Are you suggesting that the smaller DX5 file is what fsx is using for this specific texture when loading the Prinair livery, ignoring the larger 32-bit one? Does this seem correct? Should fsx not be using the larger, presumably more detailed file? I've noticed several examples of files
duplicated as between the common and more specific texture folders.

I'll try to cover all of your questions here.

The glass reflection is controlled by the file called Tran_T in the common texture folder. Removing the GlobalEnv_AC_Chrome file will affect the overall reflection of the aircraft skin. The skin will now fall back to the default texture folder and call the GlobalEnv_AC_Chrome from there. I can provide a modified Tran_T file to kill the interior reflections.

The 144_Wings.dds file in the common texture folder is 32 bit and requires twice the memory of the DXT5 file in the dedicated texture folders. This file can be removed, as it is not really needed. It is an artifact from the original structure that I failed to catch when I uploaded the files.

The sound file is exactly as I downloaded it. To add the flaps and gear sounds it would need to be edited. I didn't do any mods on the sound file...yet.

The common texture files that appear to be duplicates are intended to be fallbacks for people who want to do their own skins. The original aircraft has all of the common files duplicated in each skin folder. I changed the structure to use fallbacks to be more efficient.

Hope that answers your questions.

I love flying the Heron. One thing I learned right away was to calc fuel for flight duration. A loaded airplane can be a challenge, especially at high elevation airports.

[Anthin]

Just a question.Is there an Aer Lingus repaint by any chance
with the Heron?If not I would be interested in buying it if there
was a chance someone could do one.

Anthin.

[fuzz1]

I'll try to cover all of your questions here.

The glass reflection is controlled by the file called Tran_T in the common texture folder. Removing the GlobalEnv_AC_Chrome file will affect the overall reflection of the aircraft skin. The skin will now fall back to the default texture folder and call the GlobalEnv_AC_Chrome from there. I can provide a modified Tran_T file to kill the interior reflections.

The 144_Wings.dds file in the common texture folder is 32 bit and requires twice the memory of the DXT5 file in the dedicated texture folders. This file can be removed, as it is not really needed. It is an artifact from the original structure that I failed to catch when I uploaded the files.

The sound file is exactly as I downloaded it. To add the flaps and gear sounds it would need to be edited. I didn't do any mods on the sound file...yet.

The common texture files that appear to be duplicates are intended to be fallbacks for people who want to do their own skins. The original aircraft has all of the common files duplicated in each skin folder. I changed the structure to use fallbacks to be more efficient.

Hope that answers your questions.

I love flying the Heron. One thing I learned right away was to calc fuel for flight duration. A loaded airplane can be a challenge, especially at high elevation airports.

Most obliged for your response. I've simply renamed the Tran_T.dds files in the common texture folder and where located, the individual texture folders. This appears to have 'cleared things up' for me. I would certainly welcome your revised Tran_T file if it's not too much trouble, assuming this is a better solution.

I also replaced the 144_2.dds file as suggested by Roger and the ceiling now appears fine.

I'd be most interested in your or anyone else's modded sound file if ever developed.

Nice bird and outstanding effort on your part gman.

Oh, and if anyone decides to give the cockpit panel a little makeover (something a little lighter perhaps) to also elevate it to the standard now apparent with the exterior model, please feel free to do so!

[gman5250]

Oh, and if anyone decides to give the cockpit panel a little makeover (something a little lighter perhaps) to also elevate it to the standard now apparent with the exterior model, please feel free to do so!

I dedicated quite a few hours to the cockpit panel, LM lighting, window frames, side panels, roof panels etc. The work was very subtle, but significant. Details on the window frames including screws, bolts, shadowing and wear enhancements. I added subtle weathering, grime and use wear to the panel itself.

The 144-2 was also modified to show shading under windowsills etc. The blotches on the headliner were a result of noise texture added. Removing the 144-2 panel will remove the shading I provided for the side panels.

The cockpit work was livery and model specific, so removing or modifying the files from their current texture files will alter the appearance from what was intended.

If anyone wishes to do additional work on the cockpit they are free to do so.

[fuzz1]

I dedicated quite a few hours to the cockpit panel, LM lighting, window frames, side panels, roof panels etc. The work was very subtle, but significant. Details on the window frames including screws, bolts, shadowing and wear enhancements. I added subtle weathering, grime and use wear to the panel itself.

The 144-2 was also modified to show shading under windowsills etc. The blotches on the headliner were a result of noise texture added. Removing the 144-2 panel will remove the shading I provided for the side panels.

The cockpit work was livery and model specific, so removing or modifying the files from their current texture files will alter the appearance from what was intended.

If anyone wishes to do additional work on the cockpit they are free to do so.

Regret my insensitivity here. Had I understood your work on the cockpit my suggestion for further refinement would not have been made. I confess to having spent all of 5 min's with the default aircraft before installing your versions so did not really get an opportunity to compare interior that much. I somehow missed the fact that you worked to the panel also.

That said, panel looks fine the way it is, thanks again for your efforts. Unfortunate that I get that ceiling 'blockiness' prompting me to remove 144-2 and missing the extra work you've done on the shading. I've tried to determine why this is apparent. Perhaps it has something to do with the original 144-2 being DX5 and your revised version is apparently DX1?

[Wild Bill Kelso]

With your new textures and the sounds, it's a whole new model!!!

Couldn't agree more! :applause:


This one is about to get finished and rolled out:

http://abload.de/img/g-aogo179kc7.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=g-aogo179kc7.jpg)

There's just one nasty glitch I wasn't able to get rid of by now:
Where is the texture of this central front window frame located?
This red brace doesn't match too well yet...

Cheers,
Markus.

[IFlySWA]

She looks great Markus! :encouragement:

Brian

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Thanks, mate!

After lots of trial&error, I've finally found out where this central window frame takes its texture from:
Unfortunately, this area is located at the foreward bottom fuselage, just aft of the front wheel well (marked green here for better clarity):

http://abload.de/img/bild1y7uz9.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=bild1y7uz9.jpg)


So in order to show the front window frame not in the red bottom colour, this lower fuselage part had to be painted white.
This doesn't look too well seen from below:

http://abload.de/img/2015-6-28_16-36-51-650oudo.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=2015-6-28_16-36-51-650oudo.jpg)

http://abload.de/img/2015-6-28_17-28-3-658eputy.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=2015-6-28_17-28-3-658eputy.jpg)

But I think this is still better than a red window frame, doesn't it?

Cheers,
Markus.

[DaveB]

Yup.. that looks cool Markus:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Roger]

Really nice Markus!

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Thanks, guys!

This marvellous Heron has been my trusty ride when discovering the FTX UK package from Land's End up to Sumburgh, along with her rather stiff-legged sisterships:

http://abload.de/img/anxb89ks8.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=anxb89ks8.jpg)

http://abload.de/img/axfhb2jn6.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=axfhb2jn6.jpg)

All three repaints should be rolled out soon...

Cheers,
Markus.

[DaveB]

I'll drink to more G paints:ernaehrung004:

I'm sure Scottish Airways came with the original set as we queried the colour at CBFS. Is this one a repaint using Gmans updated base paints? Forgive the impertinence but I've not seen it for a while:biggrin-new:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Indeed, G-ANXB is part of the original package ("texture.BEA 70"), but the stock version bears only the BEA logo.
The stylish 70's "scottish airways" lettering caught my eye when browsing the web for repaint templates, so I've done a complete new BEA livery from scratch with handmade letters (no appropriate font found).

Both repaints were done (but abandoned prior to release) before Gman laid his magic hands on the textures. And although neither the Channel nor the Scottish variant will show any natural metal surfaces (?), both ships will be returned to the paint shed again. I shall see if they could benefit from those massively improved textures...

Cheers,
Markus.

[DaveB]

That's cool mate.. looking forward to them:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Portia911]

Very nice work, Markus - looking forward your future efforts with Gman's templates.

[gman5250]

These are really great skins. I've been juggling quite a few projects, but I think it's time to put the paint kit up on the site so you gentlemen can take advantage of the layers.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Very nice work, Markus - looking forward your future efforts with Gman's templates.

Thank you!

His templates even improve painted surfaces:

http://abload.de/img/axfh18rk0q.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=axfh18rk0q.jpg)

http://abload.de/img/axfh2oojy4.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=axfh2oojy4.jpg)

http://abload.de/img/axfh3bjkzd.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=axfh3bjkzd.jpg)

http://abload.de/img/axfh4r5kb1.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=axfh4r5kb1.jpg)

(Scenery: Earth Simulation's Alderney)


Cheers,
Markus.

[DaveB]

Lovely crisp lines there Markus:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Dumonceau]

Markus,

Could you do this one?

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24818&stc=1

Johan

[Wild Bill Kelso]

@ DaveB:
These "still photographs" don't show that the cheatlines received a massive stress on the alpha channel to increase their golden shine...



Could you do this one?

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24818&stc=1



That's a nice classic airliner scheme! I have to admit that Belgium is absolutely uncovered by my repaints yet - for some reasons it doesn't seem to be well represented in the Flightsim world at all...
Time for a change, isn't it?
I'll see what I can do about it!

Cheers,
Markus.

[Dumonceau]

@ DaveB:
These "still photographs" don't show that the cheatlines received a massive stress on the alpha channel to increase their golden shine...




That's a nice classic airliner scheme! I have to admit that Belgium is absolutely uncovered by my repaints yet - for some reasons it doesn't seem to be well represented in the Flightsim world at all...
Time for a change, isn't it?
I'll see what I can do about it!

Cheers,
Markus.

Cheers Markus! Highly appreciated!

Johan