Aeroplane Heaven new Grumman F3F-2!

[thefrog]

https://www.facebook.com/Aeroplaneheaven

[TuFun]

Awesome! Looks better and will sound better too!

[Roger]

Fantastic news!

[mal998]

Outstanding! A definate buy for me. I just love those old Grummans.

20902

[heywooood]

wooty woot

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/IMG_1499_zpslklrdtfn.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/heywooood/media/IMG_1499_zpslklrdtfn.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/IMG_1603_zpsawm1herd.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/heywooood/media/IMG_1603_zpsawm1herd.jpg.html)

[heywooood]

..and then I read " release is highly expected to be in March"

pretty smart coming to market with 1 ready and 2 on deck winners set to go

btw - anyone knows which is the best straight deck carrier available?...think I might need that

WooooT

[bazzar]

Well after 12 years we couldn't not have an F3F in the house. It was always a matter of time and priorities.
I will say though that a BIG thankyou needs to go to TuFun for his work on our old freeware barrel, stirling stuff and enough to kick start our production into gear.

[dhasdell]

Wonderful news Bazzar. I'll certainly buy that one.

Heywoood: Vertigo do a payware USS Enterprise, and there's a pretty reasonable free one from here (http://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads/files/3025/fsx-cv-6-uss-enterprise/).

[heywooood]

Wonderful news Bazzar. I'll certainly buy that one.

Heywoood: Vertigo do a payware USS Enterprise, and there's a pretty reasonable free one from here (http://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads/files/3025/fsx-cv-6-uss-enterprise/).

I was aware of the Vertigo model but not the free one - thank you D

[YoYo]

Great choice! :applause:

[TARPSBird]

A few weeks back, in response to my "welcome back" post, Bazzar said AH would be re-visiting some past offerings. I sure didn't expect anything this soon! Very pleased to see an updated F3F. Thanks in advance, Baz and crew.

[roger-wilco-66]

Excellent news!!


Cheers,
Mark

[huub vink]

Looks already great Bazz! :encouragement:

Huub

[gray eagle]

Wonderful news Bazzar. I'll certainly buy that one.

Heywoood: Vertigo do a payware USS Enterprise, and there's a pretty reasonable free one from here (http://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads/files/3025/fsx-cv-6-uss-enterprise/).

Trying to convert the CV6 to use with AI Carriers. So far, I see it on the menu screen but it doesn't show up in the water.
I get a create objects failed (in red) on the top of my screen.

I made a sim.cfg file
It has effects, so far just left that folder as is and copied the whole CV6 folder over to BOATS and did as best as I know how.

[dhasdell]

I know I have had it working in the past. I'll reinstall and see how.

[dvj]

..and then I read " release is highly expected to be in March"

pretty smart coming to market with 1 ready and 2 on deck winners set to go

btw - anyone knows which is the best straight deck carrier available?...think I might need that

WooooT





March 2016?

[TuFun]

Well after 12 years we couldn't not have an F3F in the house. It was always a matter of time and priorities.
I will say though that a BIG thankyou needs to go to TuFun for his work on our old freeware barrel, stirling stuff and enough to kick start our production into gear.


Why thanks Baz! It was worth it to get a P3Dv2 version!!! :very_drunk: I seemed to have that effect since another individual came out of retirement after working on another model. :adoration:

[expat]

You are a good catalyst indeed !!:applause:

[dhasdell]

Gray eagle: OK - got it. This is quick and could probably use some tweaking, but it definitely works:

(i) put the folder in Boats. I named it USS Enterprise cv6

(ii) create a new sim.cfg for it:

[fltsim.0]
title=USS_Enterprise_CV6
model=
texture=


[General]
category=Boat


[contact_points]
static_pitch=0.0 //degrees, pitch when at rest on the ground (+=Up, -=Dn)
static_cg_height=0.0 //feet, altitude of CG when at rest on the ground


[DesignSpecs]
max_speed_mph = 50
acceleration_constants = 0.5, 0.4 //Time constant (effects responsiveness), and max acceleration (Gs)
deceleration_constants = 0.3, 0.3 //Time constant (effects responsiveness), and max acceleration (Gs)
SternPosition = 90


[Effects]
wake = fx_wake_xl

(This is the Flying Stations Victorious 1940 with a new title line)

(iii) add a formation to aicarriers.cfg:

[formation.xx]
title=USS Enterprise
unit.0=USS_Enterprise_CV6, 0, 0,

The effects go into the main effects, and the old aircraft.cfg can probably be discarded. The category doesn't need editing to Boats. All that's needed is model, texture and sim.cfg. I think your problem came when you called it a boat, as it was intended as a flyable aircraft.

Hope this helps,

David

EDIT On reflection, the effects won't do a lot unless they are called up, so the LIGHTS and SMOKE sections from the original aircraft.cfg should probably be included in the new sim.cfg

[dhasdell]

Heywoood: Another straight deck carrier is the old Paul Clawson USS Saratoga, tweaked for FSX to make it move. I haven't installed it yet, but it includes lines for use with aicarriers.cfg, so presumably it works with that program.

[jankees]

oho, that brings back fond memories of the Monogram kit I made years and years ago. If I recall correctly, you had to pull out the prop a bit and then turn it to make the landing gear extend. So cool...

[SeanTK]

Very much looking forward to it, and VERY surprised to hear that it's apparently coming out in just a couple weeks? (per the FB page..."March sometime")
May we also assume that the Dove is due to be released this month as well, considering that it seems to be much, much further along?

Additionally, will the systems of the F3F (or really any of the upcoming products) be somewhat advanced in terms of engine management or otherwise, or are they based on default logic and capabilities?

[bazzar]

March 2016?


March 2015

[bazzar]

Very much looking forward to it, and VERY surprised to hear that it's apparently coming out in just a couple weeks? (per the FB page..."March sometime")
May we also assume that the Dove is due to be released this month as well, considering that it seems to be much, much further along?

Additionally, will the systems of the F3F (or really any of the upcoming products) be somewhat advanced in terms of engine management or otherwise, or are they based on default logic and capabilities?

Our original F3F-2 was built 12 years ago and for a simulator that barely handled clickable cockpits. Let alone any "systems".
This one will have the bells and whistles required by todat's virtual pilots.:engel016:

[SeanTK]

Our original F3F-2 was built 12 years ago and for a simulator that barely handled clickable cockpits. Let alone any "systems".
This one will have the bells and whistles required by todat's virtual pilots.:engel016:

Yes, I remember getting much enjoyment out of the original, though I am speaking of the realities of the situation today, which is why I'm asking. I appreciate the response (though it is cryptic), and am looking forward to this and future products such as the Dove (though I do notice that addressing the Dove's status was avoided, so hopefully that's not indicative of any development issues).

[bazzar]

The Dove is nearing completion but as it is far more complex than the Swift, for example, we cannot give a final release date yet. Same for the One-Elevens. We try to get hings out as quickly as possible but cannot promise a continuous flow of production. We ain't that big!

Our production commitments amount to 8 projects at this time, all at varying degrees of completion but all moving forward.

However the F3F-2 will be this month. I understand what you are saying but the design of the original aircraft will be adhered to. It MAY have some optional "modern" avionics but not sure yet. I think you will also find that the price will be commensurate with the "depth" of the production, hopefully excellent value.
:engel016:

[Anthin]

Really excited about the Barrell.A definite buy for me.

Thanks AH.

Anthin.

[Peg o my heart]

I like the engine cowl. Is it me only or it does look a bit like "biplaned" P-47? :p

[bazzar]

Actually, the biplane predecessor of the Grumman Wildcat. The landing gear arrangement remained although a little different.

[gray eagle]

Well after 12 years we couldn't not have an F3F in the house. It was always a matter of time and priorities.
I will say though that a BIG thankyou needs to go to TuFun for his work on our old freeware barrel, stirling stuff and enough to kick start our production into gear.



I can only hope that it will sound as good as this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm35sQLIkY8

[mvg3d]

Why thanks Baz! It was worth it to get a P3Dv2 version!!! :very_drunk: I seemed to have that effect since another individual came out of retirement after working on another model. :adoration:

Hi TuFun,
Are You intentioned to continue Your paintwork on old FS2002 MDL ? I'm waiting for it....... :wavey::wavey:

[bazzar]

First Barrel out of the paintshop. Working on VC. More at the site and on Facebook:engel016:

[TuFun]

Awesome B! :encouragement: Reminds me of that Monogram model I built many moons ago! :biggrin-new:

[bazzar]

I collect old kits and have this one (2 of them) and the classic Gulfhawk racer in mint condition. I remember as a kid getting tangled up trying to make that undercarriage work properly with the prop pulled out. Trick is to use very little glue...:engel016:

[heywooood]

I collect old kits and have this one (2 of them) and the classic Gulfhawk racer in mint condition. I remember as a kid getting tangled up trying to make that undercarriage work properly with the prop pulled out. Trick is to use very little glue...:engel016:

...or a hot knife tip...

I had the kit when I was a kid - the Gulfhawk - and I remember being fairly pleased with myself when I pulled the prop out and extended / retracted the gear the first time...
as an aside I would LOVE to find a mint cond. kit of either the F3F or the Gulfhawk - I don't mind flaming orange plastic at all...

[TuFun]

I collect old kits and have this one (2 of them) and the classic Gulfhawk racer in mint condition. I remember as a kid getting tangled up trying to make that undercarriage work properly with the prop pulled out. Trick is to use very little glue...:engel016:

Now that's a cool aircraft... the classic Gulfhawk! I fly that one all the time doing aerobatics. With its tighter cowl hence the blisters to clear the rockers and shorter wings, perfect for aerobatics!

[pilto von pilto]

Now that's a cool aircraft... the classic Gulfhawk! I fly that one all the time doing aerobatics. With its tighter cowl hence the blisters to clear the rockers and shorter wings, perfect for aerobatics!

You learn something new every day. Here I thought it was some sort of vortices generator typery thingy for stability... Ok not really but certainly hadn't made the connection with a smaller cowl and rocker clearance. :encouragement:

[bazzar]

Update on progress. VC is almost there. A bit to do but on track.:engel016:

[mvg3d]

Update on progress. VC is almost there. A bit to do but on track.:engel016:

:applause:

[henrystreet]

Baz, that is just flat out beautiful. :beguiled:

[Cirrus N210MS]

i been wanting a grumman f3f for a long time Cant wait :applause:

[Deacon211]

Awesome! I'm really looking forward to this.

I'id like to put a bid in for this one...my old squadron before it was even my old squadron!

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21339&stc=1

[TuFun]

^ I have that one ready... just waiting for paintkit release!

How it looks on the old AH Barrel...
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/Projects/TW-11_zpsyih9xjhg.jpg~original

Thanks Baz and AH Team for bring forth a fantastic model!!!

[huub vink]

Great VC Bazz! As usual :encouragement:

Cheers,
Huub

[Deacon211]

^ I have that one ready... just waiting for paintkit release!

How it looks on the old AH Barrel...
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/Projects/TW-11_zpsyih9xjhg.jpg~original

Thanks Baz and AH Team for bring forth a fantastic model!!!


Outstanding!!!


That squadron became VMF-211 and, after the Battle of Wake Island, became the Wake Island Avengers.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/Deacon211/imagejpg1_zpsebd7ca52.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Deacon211/media/imagejpg1_zpsebd7ca52.jpg.html)

[Bomber_12th]

The VC looks fantastic, Baz! Really looking forward to picking this one up when it is released.

For the rotary switch pointed to in section of screenshot I clipped below, the text above it (and function) is "Compass Light", as seen if you look closely in this photo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/yesiwood/15027025278/sizes/k/

The text follows the same line of placement as the bottom two lines of text associated with the first two rotary switches.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/screen_zpshckdhpsr.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/screen_zpshckdhpsr.jpg.html)

[Cazzie]

That's a paint I did for the old AH F3F-2. I am also working on a 1/72 scale plastic model of the same aircraft.

Caz

[heywooood]

March 2015



***cough**:icon_question:

[bazzar]

Obviously not keeping up with Facebook then...:wink:

[heywooood]

Obviously not keeping up with Facebook then...:wink:

BoooookFace?

[bazzar]

Seriously folks, we are not far away now. We are testing, writing manuals and putting finishing touches to liveries, sounds and coding. We've also got a big thumping twin turboprop in the hangar needing some further work.:engel016:

[Roger]

I can wait Baz...I know it will be worth it:applause:

[heywooood]

Seriously folks, we are not far away now. We are testing, writing manuals and putting finishing touches to liveries, sounds and coding. We've also got a big thumping twin turboprop in the hangar needing some further work.:engel016:

Sounds good to me - Waiting patiently and smiling politely

[pilto von pilto]

For those of you who don't follow/look at our facebook page... Here's a shot of the 2d popup panel for the f3f. We came up with a different idea for the practice bombs.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21549&stc=1

I love the acrid smell of starter cartridge smoke in the morning. :engel016:

[heywooood]

a nice presentation for your eyepoint utility - I assume that switching the 'bomb' setting to 'on' makes the under wing bombs visible....does it add weight or change the cog?

[bazzar]

Not at this time no. Maybe in a deluxe version but it will depend on demand.:engel016:

[DennyA]

<insert "shut up and take my money" meme image here>

Awesome! Had your old one (FS2004?) and loved it.

Can't wait to fly this in P3D with the Oculus!

[bazzar]

We've made a couple of videos whilst testing. Turn up the volume!:engel016:


<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/UE7xo8IyFIQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe><iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/r_VKnEFMPto" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>

[mvg3d]

GGRREEEAAAAT !!!!

:applause::applause::applause::applause:

[TARPSBird]

Videos show off the plane and the sound very well. :encouragement: Whatever color and specular values you've used for the aluminum paint, I think you've nailed it. I want to try the same combination on Paul Clawson's Northrop BT-1.

[Scratch]

Bring It!!!!!!!:jump::applause:

[Daube]

Update on progress. VC is almost there. A bit to do but on track.:engel016:

Sorry for bumping this topic, but I just noticed a small issue with the model on the screenshot, and I wanted to check if the developpers were aware of it: the projected shadow of the rear fuselage (with canopy frame) on the wing is showing an incomplete body.
I know that some developpers prefer to NOT model the "invisible" parts of a plane in the VC model, to save some FPS. Nevertheless I hope you can include some dummy, simplified polygons that would at least allow the shadow to look right in all conditions.

[bazzar]

All taken care of my friend.:engel016:

[Daube]

Excellent !
Thank you for the fast feedback :ernaehrung004:

[huub vink]

Great sounds! :encouragement:

[Crusader]

Awesome sounds and predict will be an all around winner . Really looking forward to getting this beauty .

[Ian Warren]

I really do the 'chug a lung' start up and slow prop turn before it kicks into life :adoration:

[THibben]

Any new info on a release date?

Thanks,

Tom

[TARPSBird]

AH Facebook page says release is "Imminent" as of April 11. Pretty sure it will be worth the wait. :encouragement:

[thefrog]

Looks like it's out!

[Scratch]

Got it!!!:jump:

[YoYo]

Released :wavey: just I don't see in PC Aviator yet :(.

http://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/product_f3f.php

[bazzar]

It has been uploaded to them, we just have to wait I'm afraid...:engel016:

[pilto von pilto]

As soon as we know we'll be uploading the new pages with links. And I'll make sure baz says something on facebook.:engel016:

[roger-wilco-66]

Great news! I know what I'll be doing this evening :-)


Cheers,
Mark

[Roger]

Great news! I know what I'll be doing this evening :-)


Cheers,
Mark

Ditto:adoration:

[gray eagle]

Released :wavey: just I don't see in PC Aviator yet :(.

http://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/product_f3f.php

They don't even list the manufacture (AeroPlaneHeaven) much less the F3F. What's up with that?

[Ferry_vO]

They don't even list the manufacture (AeroPlaneHeaven) much less the F3F. What's up with that?

Apparently AH have chosen not to sell their products there.

[gray eagle]

Apparently AH have chosen not to sell their products there.

Edit:

Let me rephrase my last, PC aviator is listed as one source to purchase it from. When you go there, they (PCAviator) doesn't list them (AH).
Guess it will all be sorted as to the actual sources to purchase. Just going by what is advertised.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21931&stc=1

[YoYo]

They don't even list the manufacture (AeroPlaneHeaven) much less the F3F. What's up with that?

From AH webpage.

If you are purchasing from an EU country please use one of our preferred partners
FS pilot shop (http://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/product_f3f.php)
PC Aviator store (http://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/product_f3f.php)

I don't like FSpilotshop, they have a special price for backup of links (!) so for me (I'm from EU) PCAviator is ok only.

[gray eagle]

From AH webpage.

If you are purchasing from an EU country please use one of our preferred partners
FS pilot shop (http://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/product_f3f.php)
PC Aviator store (http://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/product_f3f.php)

I don't like FSpilotshop, they have a special price for backup of links (!) so for me (I'm from EU) PCAviator is ok only.



I guess our posts here (yours and mine) must of hit here at same time i.e., I posted page with same info ^ (#79). :adoration:

[WarHorse47]

I looked at both those sites and got nowhere. I ended up going to the AH Facebook page and purchasing it there. Look for the store link on their FB page.

[Cazzie]

I do not have PayPal and cannot get through the PCAviator or FS Pilot sites. What to do?

Caz

[gray eagle]

I looked at both those sites and got nowhere. I ended up going to the AH Facebook page and purchasing it there. Look for the store link on their FB page.

I'm not a FB member. What now? I do have Paypal. I have accounts with PCAviator and FS Pilot however, it's not listed there to buy.:confusion:


EDIT: I tried calling PCAviator at their 1-800 number, no answer, maybe they are not open yet, (on west coast usa time maybe?)

[WarHorse47]

My guess is that it may take a few hours for the Grumman to show up at PC Aviator and FS Pilot Shop. AH wouldn't have provided the links if they had not intended to distribute the Grumman at these sites.

As for Facebook, what can I say. I joined some time back because it was the only way to stay in touch with family. I've noticed that many of our favorite developers have FB pages to promote and even sell their products. I'm currently monitoring the Carenado page to see if there is any news on their Hawker. Wave of the future, I guess.

[dvj]

This the worst release announcement I have ever seen. In fact, I 'm not sure it has officially been announced at all. None of the store links work, nor does the PayPal on the AH page.

[falcon409]

. . . . . . . None of the store links work, nor does the PayPal on the AH page.

After experiencing FSPilot Shop with the Globe Swift purchase (slow to post and never send notifications via e-mail) I decided all future purchases would be made through AH. I did that this morning for the F3F and aside from the discount coupon not working (said that offer had expired) the purchase itself was quick and painless. I used PayPal and it went through without any hesitation.

[gray eagle]

After experiencing FSPilot Shop with the Globe Swift purchase (slow to post and never send notifications via e-mail) I decided all future purchases would be made through AH. I did that this morning for the F3F and aside from the discount coupon not working (said that offer had expired) the purchase itself was quick and painless. I used PayPal and it went through without any hesitation.

Using the method you described, I managed to download the F3F. Thanks for the tip Falcon. :encouragement:

[roger-wilco-66]

My guess is that it may take a few hours for the Grumman to show up at PC Aviator and FS Pilot Shop. AH wouldn't have provided the links if they had not intended to distribute the Grumman at these sites.

...

.

What I presume.
As for the delay for EU customers, it is stated on the website:

[...]

Please note that due to logistical and geographical issues beyond our control, the product may not be available immediately from these stores. The delay should be no longer than 48 hours. We thank you for your patience.

[...]

So I'll be waiting patiently, no need to rush, kick a$$ or call names.


Cheers,
Mark

[dvj]

After experiencing FSPilot Shop with the Globe Swift purchase (slow to post and never send notifications via e-mail) I decided all future purchases would be made through AH. I did that this morning for the F3F and aside from the discount coupon not working (said that offer had expired) the purchase itself was quick and painless. I used PayPal and it went through without any hesitation.


The AH PayPal approach will not accept my email address. Weird. Something not right with this. I'll wait till things get sorted.

[heywooood]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/2015-4-16_10-2-4-568_zpsjpbyyirk.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/heywooood/media/2015-4-16_10-2-4-568_zpsjpbyyirk.png.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/2015-4-16_9-49-10-285_zpsdvsp6crk.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/heywooood/media/2015-4-16_9-49-10-285_zpsdvsp6crk.png.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/2015-4-16_9-39-6-177_zpswyyyhxb6.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/heywooood/media/2015-4-16_9-39-6-177_zpswyyyhxb6.png.html)

looks great - no discernible impact on FPS - another winner...and I thought it was going to cost more - glad that didn't happen

PS - she compares real well to the one on the flight line

PPS - be sure to read the startup procedure in the manual - its the usual process, but with a few extra key clicks - and you must hold the starter button down until the engine catches - very nice touches throughout.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/IMG_1589_zpsh9pdlaql.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/heywooood/media/IMG_1589_zpsh9pdlaql.jpg.html)

[dvj]

The AH PayPal approach will not accept my email address. Weird. Something not right with this. I'll wait till things get sorted.


Update: had to go through Google Chrome to get the download to accept my email. OK, off to checking this bucket of bolts out. All of my smoke effects were missing, but fixed in DX10 fixer by unchecking exclude particle effects.

[dvj]

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/04/17/f2fpalms.jpg

[TuFun]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/angel2-smiley.gif~original

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/04/17/88.jpg

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/04/17/89.jpg

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/04/17/90.jpg

[Scratch]

Never had this much fun with a Barrel. Probably the fastest 'into the cockpit' experience I've ever had. From the time I got to the website to purchase till I was in the cockpit was about 5 minutes. Good Job on this one AH:applause:

[Roger]

It looks great and hopefully the Pilot Shop will have it up sometime this week:jump:

[JimmyRFR]

Those shots look really, really nice. I'd like to pick it up the minute I get home, but realistically, I should wait a bit... I'm starting to get a large backlog of planes I want to spend more time in, including the Swift!!

[jojohnson9]

Those shots look really, really nice. I'd like to pick it up the minute I get home, but realistically, I should wait a bit... I'm starting to get a large backlog of planes I want to spend more time in, including the Swift!!

I know, I have sooo many airplanes to catch up with......but I got the F3F today and am loving it!!! Maybe you should buy just one more, you will not regret it.

[bazzar]

People, please read the notices on the buy it now pages you will see that we have indeed pointed out the delay in the product reaching FSPilot Shop and PC Aviator. Also if you don't clear the cache/history on your machine, our website may not have updated with the new announcements.

We have been asked to include PC Aviator and have managed to negotiate a deal with them. Please understand that many other resellers charge very large commissions which limit any profit and make the whole business questionable unless one charges considerably more for the product. We don't want to do that, the F3F-2 stays at $19.95.

We are trying very hard to improve the buying processes but we have no control over the reseller sites logistics or timing to place product in store.

To those that have downloaded, thankyou and have a barrel of fun.:engel016:

[dvj]

Ok, I'm bored. What's next? ;-)

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/04/17/f3f3.jpg

[bazzar]

that shot is ice cold mate...beautiful:engel016:

[henrystreet]

Ok, I'm bored. What's next? ;-)



no joke, one of the best screenshots i have ever seen....bravo zulu.

[pilto von pilto]

DVJ : umm. thats really nice. Really nice.

falcon409: Can you email me ( help@aeroplaneheaven.com ) on what you were doing to get the offer expired thing if you don't mind? Haven't seen that error before.

To all : I'll be adding this to the FAQ a little later but some help on the whole "5% discount if you spread the word thing".

I have a similar problem on firefox. This is because I have locked down my privacy on firefox. I have turned off peer connections ( webrtc leak vulnerability ) . I run Ghostery so all trackers and social tracking are being blocked. My cookies are only set for the originating server. I also run adblock with some custom rules. And that is the issue. Running a less secure browser like chrome and the social discount works. So you have 2 choices I reckon. Temporarily disable your privacy/security settings and complete the process and then re-enable the settings. Or use another browser that you keep less secure for things like this. I hasten to add that the site is tested on all browsers except opera ( though vivaldi looks to be a nice update ).

And I'll be adding to the FAQ the Vendor v AH release timing information.

:bee:

[WarHorse47]

Thanks Aeroplane Heaven...

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/WarHorse47/2015-4-16_19-23-34-7_zps4aea1zaf.jpg

[THibben]

Whenever I load the plane and all is turned off I have a continual background roar.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tom

[bazzar]

Sounds like you have your environment setting too high in the sound drop down.:engel016:

[falcon409]

Whenever I load the plane and all is turned off I have a continual background roar.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Tom
Actually the first time I loaded the F3F and started the engine I had a loud roar in the VC which wasn't present when I went to the exterior view. I reloaded the VC and it was still there so I hit the "Q" key to shut off the sound, hit it again and the roar was gone. Later, while in flight the roar returned while in the exterior view. . .I cycled the "Q" key again and the roar was gone. Prior to loading the airplane I had already turned down both the Engine and Cockpit sounds to "10". No idea where that loud roar was coing from.

[bazzar]

Interesting. We'll stick it on a patch list for later.:engel016:

[bazzar]

Thanks Aeroplane Heaven...

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/WarHorse47/2015-4-16_19-23-34-7_zps4aea1zaf.jpg

Very nice indeed. Did you make the trap?

[WarHorse47]

Very nice indeed. Did you make the trap?Yep. Real tricky keeping an eye on the deck. Had to move the eye point on one trap, and used an external view on the second trap. Take off was tricky as well when the plane wants to veer to the left if too much power is applied. :adoration:

BTW - I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on era scenery for the F3F? I found this one for Moffett Field, but was wondering if there might be others.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/WarHorse47/2015-4-16_18-25-11-933_zpsu9jmmgjf.jpg

[gray eagle]

Very nice indeed. Did you make the trap?

+2 I did...Yanko CV6 Enterprise :encouragement:

http://s7.postimg.org/gy4xaku5n/f3f.jpg

[gray eagle]

Yep. Real tricky keeping an eye on the deck. Had to move the eye point on one trap, and used an external view on the second trap. Take off was tricky as well when the plane wants to veer to the left if too much power is applied. :adoration:

BTW - I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on era scenery for the F3F? I found this one for Moffett Field, but was wondering if there might be others.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/WarHorse47/2015-4-16_18-25-11-933_zpsu9jmmgjf.jpg


As I was landing at Moffett field (Same scenery) and I made my approach (Same texture) , parts of the runway were evaporating. Strange.

[gray eagle]

I read the manual and I did not see any thing about functional bomb drops; I guess the bombs where just eye candy......

[falcon409]

As I was landing at Moffett field (Same scenery) and I made my approach (Same texture) , parts of the runway were evaporating. Strange.
I've seen similar in some sceneries where the flatten was missing.

[speedy70]

So people bought it on the 15th,it is now the 17th and pc aviator and fspilotshop do not have it listed.

Have us europeans done something wrong.

As an Englishman i am totally pi**ed of with this launch.

Cheers Chris

[DaveB]

No.. I've been looking for 2 days now. Just this evening, I bought the Virtavia Thud instead.. a snip at $12AUS:encouragement: FSPS have Aeroplane Heaven listed as a manufacturer but the latest they have is the Swift.

ATB
DaveB:)

[TuFun]

Actually the first time I loaded the F3F and started the engine I had a loud roar in the VC which wasn't present when I went to the exterior view. I reloaded the VC and it was still there so I hit the "Q" key to shut off the sound, hit it again and the roar was gone. Later, while in flight the roar returned while in the exterior view. . .I cycled the "Q" key again and the roar was gone. Prior to loading the airplane I had already turned down both the Engine and Cockpit sounds to "10". No idea where that loud roar was coing from.


Interesting. We'll stick it on a patch list for later.:engel016:


If you still have a roar sound when engine is shut down, try this... "minimum_speed=15.00" or any speed setting you like. Also, I change to c4wind4.wav that was in the F3F sound folder.

Located in the F3F sound folder in the sound.cfg file.

// Wind Sounds __________________________________________________ ______________

[WIND_SOUND]
filename=c4wind4
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=16.000000,0.660000,120.000000,0.910000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,15.500000,7.200000,80.30 0003,14.800000,130.899994,20.400000,160.800003,30. 600000,190.699997,35.200001,210.199997,40.799999,2 40.000000,42.000000
minimum_speed=15.00

[falcon409]

Thanks Ted. . .In the meantime I sent you and Baz a PM with a link to an audio/video file that allows you to hear the sound I'm getting. Thought it might help nail down the culprit.

[imn2sims]

Got it late last night thru the Facebook page and had about an hour to check it out so far. Let me start by saying I was REALLY looking forward to this as I have always loved this plane ever since I put together the Monogram plastic kit as a child. But honestly, as of this release, I'm not really impressed. I have missing prop textures, lighting switches that won't toggle, prop speed won't unlock or move, the problem others have with the LOUD environment sounds, etc. I might try to re-install but it seemed like the install went fine and I even rebooted my machine before I loaded FSX to try it so I don't think that's the problem. Bottom line, for the money it's OK I guess but I would have rather spent more for a little more quality. I hope AH can get things fixed but it's already in the maintenance hangar as far as I'm concerned...and that's a shame.

Steve

[TuFun]

Thanks Ted. . .In the meantime I sent you and Baz a PM with a link to an audio/video file that allows you to hear the sound I'm getting. Thought it might help nail down the culprit.

Those are some big waves on the Bounty! Looking for the sound file.

[bazzar]

Got it late last night thru the Facebook page and had about an hour to check it out so far. Let me start by saying I was REALLY looking forward to this as I have always loved this plane ever since I put together the Monogram plastic kit as a child. But honestly, as of this release, I'm not really impressed. I have missing prop textures, lighting switches that won't toggle, prop speed won't unlock or move, the problem others have with the LOUD environment sounds, etc. I might try to re-install but it seemed like the install went fine and I even rebooted my machine before I loaded FSX to try it so I don't think that's the problem. Bottom line, for the money it's OK I guess but I would have rather spent more for a little more quality. I hope AH can get things fixed but it's already in the maintenance hangar as far as I'm concerned...and that's a shame.

Steve

OK firstly I'd really like it if you could contact the help desk if you haven't already. We don't build individual products that can go wrong. The product you bought is the very same that say Falcon bought or Warhorse who appear to be having a lot of fun.

Do these guys have missing prop textures? I would doubt it. All the light switches function the way they should. The prop control needs to be unlocked by right click turning and then used to push in or out. Does anybody else have a problem with this feature? The environment sounds are being looked at and once we have a solution we will supply it.

For proper operation of the controls and switches it is important to read the manual.

If there are "serious"problems like you can't operate the prop lever, then there is a problem elsewhere.

Thanks for buying, I hope she does come out of the hangar soon, there's a lot of fun in there.:engel016:

[falcon409]

Those are some big waves on the Bounty! Looking for the sound file.
:banghead::icon_redface::icon_redface:. . . .lol, already sent, sorry 'bout that!

[bazzar]

So people bought it on the 15th,it is now the 17th and pc aviator and fspilotshop do not have it listed.

Have us europeans done something wrong.

As an Englishman i am totally pi**ed of with this launch.

Cheers Chris

I am so sorry this is happening but as many other devs will confirm, these shops are VERY slow to post new product. We uploaded two days ago and I would have thought that it woud be there by now. We cannot control this and there is nothing we can do other than not sell with them but the alternatives are not good either.

I promise I will follow up but they usually quote up to 48 hours as a normal "seeding" time.

As an Englishman myself, I sympathise but we did not make the EU rulings. Maybe its time for the UK to leave.

Obviously we are going to have to delay the launch of future product until theses stores are "stocked".:engel016:

[bazzar]

+2 I did...Yanko CV6 Enterprise :encouragement:

http://s7.postimg.org/gy4xaku5n/f3f.jpg

Does anybody think there might be a viewpoint we could put in as a camera to aid with trapping? We do have a view down the right nose already but maybe some of you carrier types have some thoughts? We could put new views in in a small patch with the sound fix.:engel016:

[speedy70]

Well most of these stores are really only parasites.FSpilotshop charges for renewals simmarket recently was very rude to me over a lionheart product but it still remains that the developers if they want loyalty must keep the customer informed.I have all A2As products and their support forum and products should be used as an example to other developers.
Still no sign of a downloadable product.When can we expect the dove which I was Most looking forward too.

Cheers Chris

[bazzar]

Hi Chris, we did our best to inform on the buy it now pages. We have had no emails to the help desk from any customers re the F3F expressing dissatisfaction. As we are very small, we do not operate a support forum outside of our Facebook pages.:engel016:

[PRB]

Thanks AH, she's a beauty. And it's good to have you back!

[henrystreet]

Thanks AH, she's a beauty.


another great screenie, Paul

[pilto von pilto]

A wee bit tough calling the vendors parasites. They enable small developers like AH, LHC and others to sell product to larger markets than we would normally be able to sell to. This enables those same small developers to continue developing ( paying for software upgrades and licenses for sounds/gauges/miscellaneous stuff ). Further to this it allows those small developers to sell to EU customers without the legal/tax issues that the EU VAT system forces developers to address. The fix I suppose would be to charge the VAT ourselves and add an administrative fee for EU customers only. However Eu customers would be rather angry to know that they are having to pay possibly 5-10 USD more for products as compared to the rest of the world. You would get what Australians have to deal with every day : Geographic based price inflation. Ask us how we feel about that ! :untroubled:

Hats off to the companies that handle the EU VAT themselves ( A2A etc ) however I would prefer to make 3d models, drink beer and dream of shoehorning v8 engines into small and dangerous chassis's.

I'm the person who answers the help desk BTW. I dont bite.:engel016:

[TuFun]

A short vid of the before and after of the sound issue I had... no longer though. Default sound.cfg with only one change stated in the previous post in red.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf2qBbcWsEg

[gray eagle]

If you still have a roar sound when engine is shut down, try this... "minimum_speed=15.00" or any speed setting you like. Also, I change to c4wind4.wav that was in the F3F sound folder.

Located in the F3F sound folder in the sound.cfg file.

// Wind Sounds __________________________________________________ ______________

[WIND_SOUND]
filename=c4wind4
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=16.000000,0.660000,120.000000,0.910000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,15.500000,7.200000,80.30 0003,14.800000,130.899994,20.400000,160.800003,30. 600000,190.699997,35.200001,210.199997,40.799999,2 40.000000,42.000000
minimum_speed=15.00




I was getting that roar sound in external view with the engine shut off. Then I added the Minimum speed to the sound.cfg file.
I did not hear any roar sound in the VC cockpit with the engine off. Was there another file that needed to be modified?

One thing I might make mention, after making this adjustment, when I press the start button, the start up sound will make a sound for a millisecond or so then nothing, no startup or sound.
If I use the CTRL + E, I can get it started and hear the complete startup sound. Wierd.

[heywooood]

FWIW ... I had one instance where the F3F loaded with a missing propeller. I just reloaded the aircraft and it was fine. The lights and switches work fine for me. I dont recall if it was a first flight or if I had loaded the Barrel after flying a different plane when the propellor (engine off - not spinning) failed to load.
WRT to the startup and engine and flight controls: You have to familiarize yourself with the manual to avoid frustration

[bazzar]

Are you pressing and HOLDING the start button?

[DaveB]

.I have all A2As products and their support forum and products should be used as an example to other developers.

I think not.. just go onto the A2A forums and see how many questions remain unanswered.. particularly if the model isn't one of their latest and greatest!! Anywho.. that's by the by. In all fairness.. AH can't control how fast a vendor puts their product up for sale and as for support.. they do a fair job here even if here isn't where support should be dealt with;)

Nice vid TuFun;)
ATB
DaveB:)

[TuFun]

I was getting that roar sound in external view with the engine shut off. Then I added the Minimum speed to the sound.cfg file.
I did not hear any roar sound in the VC cockpit with the engine off. Was there another file that needed to be modified?

One thing I might make mention, after making this adjustment, when I press the start button, the start up sound will make a sound for a millisecond or so then nothing, no startup or sound.
If I use the CTRL + E, I can get it started and hear the complete startup sound. Wierd.


No issue starting as seen in the video. Sound normal. That sound is only the wind sound. Shouldn't effect any other sounds. All it does is the wind sound will kick in at 15+ mph.

[gray eagle]

Are you pressing and HOLDING the start button?

If you are asking me? Yes, I am. Since I made the recommended adjustments in the sound.cfg file, things changed i.e., I was able to press and hold the start button with the mouse and it would
start, same with CTR + E. I may revert to the way it was till this is sorted.

[gray eagle]

If you are asking me? Yes, I am. Since I made the recommended adjustments in the sound.cfg file, things changed i.e., I was able to press and hold the start button with the mouse and it would
start, same with CTR + E. I may revert to the way it was till this is sorted.

Edit: I reverted to the original settings and; I press the start button and it will start with no issues.

[gradyhappyg]

Nice little plane I am very pleased.


http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21968&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21969&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21970&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21971&stc=1

[Mick]

Just saw their promo video and the screenies above, and can't help noticing that, so many years after their first effort, they still haven't made any effort to produce authentic paint jobs. There were certainly plenty of squadrons that flew the type, and their liveries are thoroughly documented in photos, many in color. The markings system was simple and also well-documented. All the information is readily available from multiple easily-accessed sources. Apparently they just couldn't be bothered using it. How lazy is that?! Sad.

[gray eagle]

If you still have a roar sound when engine is shut down, try this... "minimum_speed=15.00" or any speed setting you like. Also, I change to c4wind4.wav that was in the F3F sound folder.

Located in the F3F sound folder in the sound.cfg file.

// Wind Sounds __________________________________________________ ______________

[WIND_SOUND]
filename=c4wind4
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=16.000000,0.660000,120.000000,0.910000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,15.500000,7.200000,80.30 0003,14.800000,130.899994,20.400000,160.800003,30. 600000,190.699997,35.200001,210.199997,40.799999,2 40.000000,42.000000
minimum_speed=15.00




I watched your video and noted the before/after effect when using the entry^. It works now. I think what may of happened was when I applied the change, I reloaded my "last flight" which was a F3F, and
was having issues as previously described. I reapplied the change, and selected a new flight using a different F3F livery and after pressing the start button, I waited like you did in your
vid then cut the engine and voila no wind sound. I was a little confused in the way you stated, the entry to make , then where to make it.

Thanks for the tip :encouragement:

[gray eagle]

Just saw their promo video and the screenies above, and can't help noticing that, so many years after their first effort, they still haven't made any effort to produce authentic paint jobs. There were certainly plenty of squadrons that flew the type, and their liveries are thoroughly documented in photos, many in color. The markings system was simple and also well-documented. All the information is readily available from multiple easily-accessed sources. Apparently they just couldn't be bothered using it. How lazy is that?! Sad.

Well, maybe some of our talented painters here will use the paint kit that AH provided and just have a ball churning out other liveries. :adoration:

[speedy70]

Well it has just gone two in the afternoon here in the UK and nothing on PC aviator or fspilotshop.

Anybody got any news?

Cheers Chris

[gray eagle]

I forgot to mention that when attempting start up in cockpit view and pressing the Electric start button then switching to external view, I can here that wind roar a little in the background as the engine is running. When I kill the engine (external view) everything is quiet. I noticed that in Tufun's startup vid that he manually cracked the throttle full open and then hit the start button.
I noticed that when I hit the electric start button the throttle will animated to the full open all on it's own while starting. Six of one and half dozen of 'nother.
Should the throttle be manually pushed full open first then the start button?

BTW, why the two starter buttons (One above the other) - electric starter switch and a conventional one.


EDIT: In spot view, if I hit the pause key, the wind noise is gone and all I hear is just the engine.

[heywooood]

I forgot to mention that when attempting start up in cockpit view and pressing the Electric start button then switching to external view, I can here that wind roar a little in the background as the engine is running. When I kill the engine (external view) everything is quiet. I noticed that in Tufun's startup vid that he manually cracked the throttle full open and then hit the start button.
I noticed that when I hit the electric start button the throttle will animated to the full open all on it's own while starting. Six of one and half dozen of 'nother.
Should the throttle be manually pushed full open first then the start button?

BTW, why the two starter buttons (One above the other) - electric starter switch and a conventional one.


EDIT: In spot view, if I hit the pause key, the wind noise is gone and all I hear is just the engine.

for me, its not the throttle, but the Mixture (Red) lever that slides full forward to full rich...the Throttle lever (Black) stays put...
this also happens with the Globe Swift...the little Mixture knob moves inward to full rich when I activate the starter, I just move them back to the proper setting once the engine is running.

Note: the F3F can be started either with the electric starter or the original shotgun shell starter that was used to save weight
(its all in the manual - shhhh)

[ZsoltB]

Available appropriate WWII aircraft carrier?

[falcon409]

Just saw their promo video and the screenies above, and can't help noticing that, so many years after their first effort, they still haven't made any effort to produce authentic paint jobs. There were certainly plenty of squadrons that flew the type, and their liveries are thoroughly documented in photos, many in color. The markings system was simple and also well-documented. All the information is readily available from multiple easily-accessed sources. Apparently they just couldn't be bothered using it. How lazy is that?! Sad.
Aside from that. . .how'd you like the airplane?

[DaveB]

Aside from that. . .how'd you like the airplane?

hahahahaha.. that made me laugh:biggrin-new:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Sundog]

hahahahaha.. that made me laugh:biggrin-new:

ATB
DaveB:)

Me too. I was also thinking, if someone is so upset about the textures, what's keeping them from making new ones? They did release it with a paint kit. ;)

Also, I'm just happy to have a dedicated FSX version of this plane.

[DaveB]

What would happen if us Europeans tried to purchase via the AH site?? Will it reject the order when it finds out where we live? It's still not up at either FSPS or PCA btw.

ATB
DaveB:)

[gray eagle]

for me, its not the throttle, but the Mixture (Red) lever that slides full forward to full rich...the Throttle lever (Black) stays put...
this also happens with the Globe Swift...the little Mixture knob moves inward to full rich when I activate the starter, I just move them back to the proper setting once the engine is running.

Note: the F3F can be started either with the electric starter or the original shotgun shell starter that was used to save weight
(its all in the manual - shhhh)



Yeah, your right, my bad, It is the Mixture lever. When I use the shotgun starter it will start (makes a brief whirring noise) then quit, every time I try using that upper starter button.
The bottom starter button (Electric start button) - no probs. Say, was there a shotgun bang sound when using the shotgun starter?

[TuFun]

Just saw their promo video and the screenies above, and can't help noticing that, so many years after their first effort, they still haven't made any effort to produce authentic paint jobs. There were certainly plenty of squadrons that flew the type, and their liveries are thoroughly documented in photos, many in color. The markings system was simple and also well-documented. All the information is readily available from multiple easily-accessed sources. Apparently they just couldn't be bothered using it. How lazy is that?! Sad.

I'll start on this one...

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/Projects/F3F-2-1a_zpswmrk9n0l.jpg~original

[gray eagle]

I'll start on this one...

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/Projects/F3F-2-1a_zpswmrk9n0l.jpg~original

Very nice Ted, looking forward to this one. :encouragement:

[Ferry_vO]

What would happen if us Europeans tried to purchase via the AH site?? Will it reject the order when it finds out where we live?


Yep...

Too bad AH don't do business with SimMarket, it would already be available..

[gray eagle]

Okay, I figured it out. When I select cart start #25, then I use the same bottom button to start the plane I hear the shotgun and then it starts. I guess when you select elect
or cart start, the bottom start button is automatically configures as a elect/shotgun start. I had it set in elect start and lowered the #25 knob to manual start then tried the upper
button and there is where I realized what was going on. That one lower start button acts as a duel purpose start button when you either select #25 to elect or manual start.
That one start button acts as either elect/manual starter button based on which setting #25 is in was not clear enough for me to pick up on. The upper button is moot and will not
function as a starter button. Don't know why two start button were needed when the bottom one will convert to a electric switch or manual when you select the type of start you want (#25).
So I have had my Ah ha moment and all works well. :encouragement:




http://s18.postimg.org/4blldl92x/F3f1.jpg

[Mick]

I'll start on this one...

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/Projects/F3F-2-1a_zpswmrk9n0l.jpg~original

Unlike the others, the markings seem basically correct. On this one it's the base color that's completely wrong. It's gray, when all real F3Fs were silver, at least until the advent of camouflage.

The other screenies show markings that make the planes appear to have been made up of pieces of several different aircraft glued together in some kind of Frankenliveries.

Then there's the ones that paint the plane in the markings of squadrons that never flew the type, like VF-7, which only flew the very different looking -1 version, with its completely different nose, tail and cockpit enclosure.

Did they paint it in Army colors this time? Last time they even painted it in Army colors!

You'd think a payware publisher would feel some sort of obligation to get it right, but apparently not.

[TuFun]

Unlike the others, the markings seem basically correct. On this one it's the base color that's completely wrong. It's gray, when all real F3Fs were silver, at least until the advent of camouflage.

The other screenies show markings that make the planes appear to have been made up of pieces of several different aircraft glued together in some kind of Frankenliveries.

Then there's the ones that paint the plane in the markings of squadrons that never flew the type, like VF-7, which only flew the very different looking -1 version, with its completely different nose, tail and cockpit enclosure.

Did they paint it in Army colors this time? Last time they even painted it in Army colors!

You'd think a payware publisher would feel some sort of obligation to get it right, but apparently not.


That's cause the alpha's are not applied hence the gray look. With alpha's that changes to silver.

[heywooood]

Mick said: Then there's the ones that paint the plane in the markings of squadrons that never flew the type, like VF-7, which only flew the very different looking -1 version, with its completely different nose, tail and cockpit enclosure.

Did they paint it in Army colors this time? Last time they even painted it in Army colors!

You'd think a payware publisher would feel some sort of obligation to get it right, but apparently not.
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I think its a matter of creators license and not one of willful intent to harm or injure the sensibilities of the historical accuracy society.

The inclusion of the paint kit, as stated earlier makes this complaint moot at best.

No, there is no US Army paint scheme here, but as every aircraft was evaluated by every arm of the armed forces for viability, it is not outside the realm of possibility for one to have been painted thus.

I hope you are the only person who lacks the tolerance to perceive these original paint schemes as anything but acceptable - even as placeholders for the 3rd party artwork to follow - be patient man.

[heywooood]

[QUOTE=gray eagle;948708]. The upper button is moot and will not
function as a starter button. Don't know why two start button were needed when the bottom one will convert to a electric switch or manual when you select the type of start you want (#25).
So I have had my Ah ha moment and all works well. :encouragement:


and...you beat me to it -

[TuFun]

Good reference on F3F 2-MF-16 U.S.Marines in gray colors...

http://www.detailandscale.com/f3f_grumman_biplane_fighter_detais_in_color_photo_ set.html

[gray eagle]

Good reference on F3F 2-MF-16 U.S.Marines in gray colors...

http://www.detailandscale.com/f3f_grumman_biplane_fighter_detais_in_color_photo_ set.html

Looks good to me Ted, I think your paint will be spot on :encouragement:

[mvg3d]

Good reference on F3F 2-MF-16 U.S.Marines in gray colors...

http://www.detailandscale.com/f3f_grumman_biplane_fighter_detais_in_color_photo_ set.html

Hi TuFun,
Any news for Your paintkit for the old version ? Unfortunately my budget actually doesn't allows me to purchase the new version :dejection::shame:.....

[gradyhappyg]

Just saw their promo video and the screenies above, and can't help noticing that, so many years after their first effort, they still haven't made any effort to produce authentic paint jobs. There were certainly plenty of squadrons that flew the type, and their liveries are thoroughly documented in photos, many in color. The markings system was simple and also well-documented. All the information is readily available from multiple easily-accessed sources. Apparently they just couldn't be bothered using it. How lazy is that?! Sad.

Sorry Mick the "screenies above" are a paint I was doing (wasn't even finished yet) and have nothing to do with Aeroplane Heaven not doing their homework. And yes I know it's the F-1 not the F-2 but they didn't do the F-1 and I liked that skin. So if you hated that one this one's going to cause you to explode.
BTW:Hats off to Aerolane heaven for the paint kit, very nice.

[speedy70]

Well now it is Sunday and nothing on P C Aviator or flightsim pilot shop or indeed a reply from aeroplane heaven.Pretty poor methinks.

Cheers Chris

[bazzar]

For those who prefer plain gloss paint we can provide the schemes done that way pretty easily in the next patch. We chose silver as so many of our reference shots were like this one and we liked the finish.

[bazzar]

NOBODY is more displeased or disappointed than we are about the vendor situation. We are NOT responsible for their policies or their logistics. We cannot reply with information we just do not have. They do not reply to us either.

We are currently missing out in sales, special deals and other promotions which could helps us right now so please stop kicking me about things I just cannot do. Next time we will not be giving out any release info when asked until the product is out in all vendors. Thankyou.

[bazzar]

Unlike the others, the markings seem basically correct. On this one it's the base color that's completely wrong. It's gray, when all real F3Fs were silver, at least until the advent of camouflage.

The other screenies show markings that make the planes appear to have been made up of pieces of several different aircraft glued together in some kind of Frankenliveries.

Then there's the ones that paint the plane in the markings of squadrons that never flew the type, like VF-7, which only flew the very different looking -1 version, with its completely different nose, tail and cockpit enclosure.

Did they paint it in Army colors this time? Last time they even painted it in Army colors!

You'd think a payware publisher would feel some sort of obligation to get it right, but apparently not.



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[TuFun]

Next time we will not be giving out any release info when asked until the product is out in all vendors. Thank you.

I've never been more excited about an aircraft than this one!!! Thanks a bunch for previews that you did provide!

-TuFun

[gray eagle]

I've never been more excited about an aircraft than this one!!! Thanks a bunch for previews that you did provide!

-TuFun

+1..... Ditto. I thank the folks at AH for the FSX/P3D version and enjoy it a lot. The sounds are spot on to the real ones in the videos. :encouragement:

Once I figured out how things work - and read the manual a little :), it is fun to fly. Glad to of done business with you guys at AH.

Bravo Zulu team AH. :applause:

[TuFun]

Here's quick look at 2-MF-16. Fonts will be modified and MARINES Globe also.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/Projects/TW-77_zpsywra8g0h.jpg~original

[Corpse_Grinder]

Unlike the others, the markings seem basically correct. On this one it's the base color that's completely wrong. It's gray, when all real F3Fs were silver, at least until the advent of camouflage.

The other screenies show markings that make the planes appear to have been made up of pieces of several different aircraft glued together in some kind of Frankenliveries.

Then there's the ones that paint the plane in the markings of squadrons that never flew the type, like VF-7, which only flew the very different looking -1 version, with its completely different nose, tail and cockpit enclosure.

Did they paint it in Army colors this time? Last time they even painted it in Army colors!

You'd think a payware publisher would feel some sort of obligation to get it right, but apparently not.


I'm buying this aircraft tomorrow, along with the Swift.

You're gonna love the "My Little Pony" livery I'm going to put on the F3F! Each pony will be historically accurate down to the correct color shade, and all references will come directly from the wiki.

http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/My_Little_Pony_Friendship_is_Magic_Wiki


I think AH has made amazing models over the years, and I'm sure this is no exception. Thanks for the opportunity to fly a true classic in FSX native style AH!

[TARPSBird]

Aeroplane Heaven has provided us with a beautifully detailed aircraft that (a) flies well, (b) sounds good, (c) traps aboard a carrier without nosing over (rare for a FSX tail dragger), (d) has nice animations, and (e) has a decent assortment of paints for an initial package. All for $20 US money. I would urge all of you who can't make your purchase yet to please be patient until Baz and the crew get the vendor issues sorted out. As for any dissatisfaction with the default paint jobs, I believe that's what the paint kit is for and I suspect our usual squad of painters will be getting the brushes and cans out soon.

[roger-wilco-66]

NOBODY is more displeased or disappointed than we are about the vendor situation. We are NOT responsible for their policies or their logistics. We cannot reply with information we just do not have. They do not reply to us either.

We are currently missing out in sales, special deals and other promotions which could helps us right now so please stop kicking me about things I just cannot do. Next time we will not be giving out any release info when asked until the product is out in all vendors. Thankyou.


I'm among those european customers who eagerly wait for the vendors to offer the aircraft, and fully understand your situation. Francois gave us some insights on the unspeakable VAT situation here and the diffculties of selling products in the EU, even from within being located there. It has become a difficult matter, and expecially so for smaller companies.

As for publishing release dates, to me it's perfectly OK to announce the release as soon as it leaves the developers hangar, and by making it clear that european customers may have to wait until the vendors offer the product you told everyone what to expect. That's perfectly transparent to me, hence I really don't understand all the fuzz.

I personally would wish to see that people wouldn't bash the developers for this and that all the time and make the release of a new product a rather unpleasant experience. That doesn't serve any good, expecially if some real problems have to be sorted out. We'd come a lot farther if this would be commenced in a more cooperative way.



My 2ct,
Mark

[DaveB]

Seen by one of the CBFS members on the AH Facebook page..

This from their Facebook feed... "We have news for DH104 Dove/Devon fans. It is highly likely that the Dove will be adopted by a well-known highly respected publisher. Therefore further testing and development progress will be posted once all this is confirmed. Thanks for your patience, she'll be worth it we promise." unquote

Damn it.. can't get rid of the italics!! This would certainly make sense after the trouble they've had with the F3F. They'll still be able to sell directly to some customers as they do now and the rest will be handled by a-n-other publisher. Let's hope it's Just Flight;)

ATB
DaveB:)

[TuFun]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/Projects/TW-45_zpszyfk0qln.jpg~original

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/Projects/TW-44_zps37wjlkj4.jpg~original

[TeiscoDelRay]

I am planning on getting this just to do the Grumman Gulfhawk scheme.

[bazzar]

Okay, I figured it out. When I select cart start #25, then I use the same bottom button to start the plane I hear the shotgun and then it starts. I guess when you select elect
or cart start, the bottom start button is automatically configures as a elect/shotgun start. I had it set in elect start and lowered the #25 knob to manual start then tried the upper
button and there is where I realized what was going on. That one lower start button acts as a duel purpose start button when you either select #25 to elect or manual start.
That one start button acts as either elect/manual starter button based on which setting #25 is in was not clear enough for me to pick up on. The upper button is moot and will not
function as a starter button. Don't know why two start button were needed when the bottom one will convert to a electric switch or manual when you select the type of start you want (#25).
So I have had my Ah ha moment and all works well. :encouragement:





http://s18.postimg.org/4blldl92x/F3f1.jpg



The correct start procedure is to select electric or manual using the star knob, up or down. Then flip the starter cover up revealing the start button. Press and hold the button down until the engine fires.

[heywooood]

I am planning on getting this just to do the Grumman Gulfhawk scheme.

Well I look forward to it, thank you....and just to kick them out of the way, to any naysayers wanting to comment on the lack of cowling blisters or any other such, please just let it go...give it a rest...and similar

[gray eagle]

One small sound issue. I added that minimum_Speed entry as per Tufun, then after a start up, in the spot view, I can hear the wind sound till I cycle the "P" pause key briefly and then the
wind roar is gone leaving on the engine sounds. I think the sounds refresh when the "P" key is cycled/pressed. Must be a FSX bug.

[TuFun]

Well I look forward to it, thank you....and just to kick them out of the way, to any naysayers wanting to comment on the lack of cowling blisters or any other such, please just let it go...give it a rest...and similar

Don't forget the bomb rack, tail hook, smaller cowl, shorter wings, no gun sight, no guns, etc, etc, .... :biggrin-new:

Gulfhawk is my favorite version from the old Barrel!

[gray eagle]

I renamed the c4wind4.wav to bak and comment out (//) the // Wind Sounds
and I STILL can hear it. What do I have to do to so that I don't
hear it at all?

[falcon409]

I renamed the c4wind4.wav to bak and comment out (//) the // Wind Sounds
and I STILL can hear it. What do I have to do to so that I don't
hear it at all?
Is this a sound that you hear while the engines are running or after shutdown? The reason I ask is because I had a LOUD sound in the VC and more subdued sound in the external view but only during engine runs. If it was shutdown I didn't have it. Turned out (with Ted's help) it was the "whine.wav" file in the F3F sound folder. When I pulled that file the roar went away.

[gray eagle]

Is this a sound that you hear while the engines are running or after shutdown? The reason I ask is because I had a LOUD sound in the VC and more subdued sound in the external view but only during engine runs. If it was shutdown I didn't have it. Turned out (with Ted's help) it was the "whine.wav" file in the F3F sound folder. When I pulled that file the roar went away.

I have same issues as you described. Think I will try that whine.wav file and see if that fixes it. Thanks.


Edit: Ahhh......That worked!!! Thanks again Falcon and Ted. :)


BTW, Do I still need to do this? Is this applicable?


Originally Posted by TuFun http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?p=948571#post948571) If you still have a roar sound when engine is shut down, try this... "minimum_speed=15.00" or any speed setting you like. Also, I change to c4wind4.wav that was in the F3F sound folder.

Located in the F3F sound folder in the sound.cfg file.

// Wind Sounds __________________________________________________ ______________

[WIND_SOUND]
filename=c4wind4
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=16.000000,0.660000,120.000000,0.910000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,15.500000,7.200000,80.30 0003,14.800000,130.899994,20.400000,160.800003,30. 600000,190.699997,35.200001,210.199997,40.799999,2 40.000000,42.000000
minimum_speed=15.00

[falcon409]

I have same issues as you described. Think I will try that whine.wav file and see if that fixes it. Thanks.


Edit: Ahhh......That worked!!! Thanks again Falcon and Ted. :)
Excellent!!

[gray eagle]

Saw this and thought about the shot gun starter on the F3F


The Coffman device used a large Blank_cartridge containing Cordite that, when fired, pushed a piston forward. A screw thread driven by the piston engaged with the engine, turning it over. This was in contrast with other type of cartridge starter which acted directly to drive the engine piston down and so turn the rest of the engine over, such as those used on the Field Marshall agricultural diesel tractor.
Shotgun starters had several advantages over other starting systems in use at the time. Electric starters required large, heavy, and often troublesome batteries to be carried on board, or external charging equipment had to be located at every place where the vehicle was anticipated to operate. Inertia starters used a heavy wheel, usually made of brass, which was spun by a hand crank or electric motor, causing the spinning wheel to engage the starter ring gear. The Coffman system was more lightweight and compact than inertial starters or internal batteries, and it did not require any special auxiliary equipment, an important feature when operating in remote areas.
The primary disadvantages of the shotgun starter are the need to keep a stock of cartridges, one of which is used for each attempt to start, and the short time that the motor is spun by each cartridge. Compressed-air starters, which use the same type of motor, are usually recharged by an engine-driven compressor, negating the need to carry cartridges, but adding requirements for the compressor and air tank. Hybrid systems can be made simply by adding a cartridge breech or an air tank to an existing system. Air tanks can also be recharged from an external source in an emergency, such as a hand pump or a portable air compressor.
The Coffman starter was the most common brand of cartridge starters during the mid-1930s, and the name was used as a generic description. Advances in electrical technology have made shotgun starters obsolete for most uses.

video is of a wildcat but the shotgun starter was use in a few other aircraft as well. I remember the flight of the phoenix, Jimmy Stewart had a few cartridge to start the phoenix.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65qrzgbTTcQ

[speedy70]

Any news on when us third world citizens governed by the brussels fatcats can expect a working download link.

Cheers English Chris

[falcon409]

Any news on when us third world citizens governed by the brussels fatcats can expect a working download link.

Cheers English Chris
I think it's already been pretty well established that Aeroplane Heaven has no more control over when it's uploaded than you or I do do really. You could probably contact the website you plan to purchase from and make an inquiry but as I found out with FSPilotShop, they work on their own schedule and when they are ready to post it they will, not before. When the Swift was released, it was three days before they posted it for sale despite having received the file and notification from AH on the day of release. They won't be hurried, they won't be shamed into improving their system and it doesn't bother them in the least. The sad part is that people feel the need to hit AH for the delay and those folks have nothing to say about it. If you're upset (anyone who is still waiting) contact the website you purchase from and make your case with them, not Aeroplane Heaven.

[speedy70]

Hi Falcon
No I am not blaming AH because they can do no more over the release.It is just to be regretted their choice of vendors being very poor.

Just flight would have been much better and is in the UK.Pilotshop is in America and where PCaviator is I do not know.

It just demonstrates how useless the european union is.I understand they have not had their expenses audited for 18 years.

Cheers Chris

[bazzar]

When I get a moment, I will write a small piece on the vendor/dev issues that currently prevail. Not here but probably on Facebook. What a lot of you guys won't know is the nightmare jungle that exists out there. For example, the Australian (where we are based) tax office has done a deal with the UK Tax office whereby we as purveyors of software have not only to accommodate VAT but also have to pay 5% royalty taxes if sold through a third party such as JF. This is not JF's fault, any more than it is ours but it does mean that for England as an example after the maths, we would probably have to raise the price by a substantial amount to cover costs and make a small profit.

To make the same gain we currently make from the F3F-2 for example, in one instance of a country, which will remain nameless, we would have to sell it for the equivalent of $30US.

We don't want that any more than you do. For 14 years we have prided ourselves on providing good quality affordable products to the customer.

This is why we do what we do. Believe me, we have not been idle in the search for the right setup.:engel016:

[TuFun]

I have same issues as you described. Think I will try that whine.wav file and see if that fixes it. Thanks.


Edit: Ahhh......That worked!!! Thanks again Falcon and Ted. :)


BTW, Do I still need to do this? Is this applicable?


Originally Posted by TuFun http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?p=948571#post948571) If you still have a roar sound when engine is shut down, try this... "minimum_speed=15.00" or any speed setting you like. Also, I change to c4wind4.wav that was in the F3F sound folder.

Located in the F3F sound folder in the sound.cfg file.

// Wind Sounds __________________________________________________ ______________

[WIND_SOUND]
filename=c4wind4
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=16.000000,0.660000,120.000000,0.910000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,15.500000,7.200000,80.30 0003,14.800000,130.899994,20.400000,160.800003,30. 600000,190.699997,35.200001,210.199997,40.799999,2 40.000000,42.000000
minimum_speed=15.00


I do not have whine sound issue in FSX or P3Dv2.5, only the wind issue. You can comment out the minimum_speed=15.00 and test to be sure if not needed.

[heywooood]

When I get a moment, I will write a small piece on the vendor/dev issues that currently prevail. Not here but probably on Facebook. What a lot of you guys won't know is the nightmare jungle that exists out there. For example, the Australian (where we are based) tax office has done a deal with the UK Tax office whereby we as purveyors of software have not only to accommodate VAT but also have to pay 5% royalty taxes if sold through a third party such as JF. This is not JF's fault, any more than it is ours but it does mean that for England as an example after the maths, we would probably have to raise the price by a substantial amount to cover costs and make a small profit.

To make the same gain we currently make from the F3F-2 for example, in one instance of a country, which will remain nameless, we would have to sell it for the equivalent of $30US.

We don't want that any more than you do. For 14 years we have prided ourselves on providing good quality affordable products to the customer.

This is why we do what we do. Believe me, we have not been idle in the search for the right setup.:engel016:

I think, under the circumstances, you have been quite professional and helpful. I hope this thread won't denigrate into negative discussions about taxes and governments.
Most people understand the importance of both - what is typically lacking is patience and courtesy...so far cooler heads have prevailed here, though I don't know what the traffic has been like at your help desk, Baz...
I hope the folks most impacted by the situation will be able to enjoy the F3F asap.

[bazzar]

Curiously, we have very little activity at the help desk. :engel016:

[heywooood]

Curiously, we have very little activity at the help desk. :engel016:

well speaking for myself, I usually come here first if I have a problem...because this is where everyone congregates, and because I usually don't know if there is a problem with a given product...or its just me.
Usually I can hash that out here pretty quick and also usually - its something I've done or a file issue on my PC that is the culprit - then I don't need to bother a help desk with a dumb question.

Maybe that's what a lot of people do - "hey I cant find this at the vendor listed...is it just me?" " hey I cant start this engine...just me?" etc...

Its good that you are here to do what you can to answer or define the answer where you can...makes everyone aware the AH brand is well represented.

[heywooood]

Don't forget the bomb rack, tail hook, smaller cowl, shorter wings, no gun sight, no guns, etc, etc, .... :biggrin-new:

Gulfhawk is my favorite version from the old Barrel!

lol Ted - omitted intentionally just to see who....:wavey:

FWIW - its my favorite version too

[bazzar]

Talking of bombracks, remember that you can remove the bombs by using the ordnance quadrant low on the left side. It works like a car gearchange gate and once selected you use the drop lever on the rear of the unit to "drop" the bomb. :engel016:

[gray eagle]

Talking of bombracks, remember that you can remove the bombs by using the ordnance quadrant low on the left side. It works like a car gearchange gate and once selected you use the drop lever on the rear of the unit to "drop" the bomb. :engel016:

I read that in the manual, where is the drop lever? I circled in yellow the bomb selector.


http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21995&stc=1

[gradyhappyg]

[QUOTE=gray eagle;948931]I read that in the manual, where is the drop lever? I circled in yellow the bomb selector.

Kind of hidden at the left front side of the pilots seat.

[gray eagle]

[QUOTE=gray eagle;948931]I read that in the manual, where is the drop lever? I circled in yellow the bomb selector.

Kind of hidden at the left front side of the pilots seat.

Still looking for it. It is hidden that's for sure.


EDIT: I think I found it! RED arrow pointing at it.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21996&stc=1

[heywooood]

Talking of bombracks, remember that you can remove the bombs by using the ordnance quadrant low on the left side. It works like a car gearchange gate and once selected you use the drop lever on the rear of the unit to "drop" the bomb. :engel016:

yes - in the screenshots I posted you can see the empty racks "ACM strictly prohibited while ordinance or external fuel tanks are attached to the airframe" I think is the standard language...

the release knob is attached to the selector at the rear of its housing and is obscured by the front left corner of the pilots' seat pan

I was curious though, can the racks themselves be removed as well as the gun camera on the upper wing?...maybe in a patch they could be made optional? - since we're talking about removing objects rather than adding them, I don't know if that makes a difference

[bazzar]

A little more work than just making them optional. The camera and racks cast shadows on other textures which means swapping out visibility conditions for wings top and bottom. Time is the main issue.:engel016:

[bazzar]

This one will be in the patch.:engel016:

[Ferry_vO]

It's up at PC Aviator!

[thefrog]

At last! It only took four days...! Or was it five?

[YoYo]

It's up at PC Aviator!

It is! Thanks for info! :wavey:

http://www.pcaviator.com/store/manufacturers.php?manufacturerid=187

Globe Swift is present here too.

[TuFun]

Doing some flying for once. :biggrin-new:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zN48bTfnwI

[Dumonceau]

Bought!!!

Eagerly awaiting the end of the download to try this baby out!

Johan :jump:

[Roger]

Just finished the download!:encouragement:

[speedy70]

Finally got it.
Cheers Chris

[DaveB]

Yup.. me too though I don't know why.. I don't particularly like it (the F3F that is):banghead: I'm a sucker for anything 'Navy'.. that's the truth of the matter;)

I'm not sure about the paint I tried.. the blue scheme. The reflection off the model gave it a sort of 'candy apple' look if that makes sense. Still.. nothing broke and I did an absolute greaser first landing:jump: This was on RNAS Culdrose 1830m runway mind.. how the hell you actually get to SEE a carrier is another matter. It'd be a nice option to bin that dive-bombing sight in the interest of preserving pilots lives!!gggggggg

ATB
DaveB:)

[roger-wilco-66]

Also bought it!
Love the wobbling exhaust :-)


Off to enjoy putting it through it's paces,
Mark

[YoYo]

Any propositions for carriers from this period? :wavey:

[Ferry_vO]

Y'all couldn't wait until 'ten off Tuesday' tomorrow.....? :biggrin-new:

[DaveB]

Also bought it!
Love the wobbling exhaust :-)


Off to enjoy putting it through it's paces,
Mark

Oh yeah.. I love that too:encouragement:

Re 10-off..
I never use PCA.. I use PCA.au instead. Didn't realise PCA (non-Ozz) did this as well. In fact.. I've been looking on PCA.au for the F3F since it's release only to realise today that it's on the other one!!!:banghead:

ATB
DaveB:)

[roger-wilco-66]

Y'all couldn't wait until 'ten off Tuesday' tomorrow.....? :biggrin-new:

suspense beats a few cents....


:ernaehrung004:
Mark

[dvj]

There is some beautifully rendered radial engine detail hidden by the cowl. Any possibility to have cowl panel removal option in the future?

[dvj]

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/04/21/f3fdux1.jpg

[bazzar]

Superb shot.

PC Aviator is on line, apparently FS PilotShop is due tomorrow. They have both apologised for the delays as they were moving into new offices. :engel016:

[TeiscoDelRay]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/Image4_zps9uakyekj.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/Warbirds_photos/media/Image4_zps9uakyekj.jpg.html)

[heywooood]

looks like the flood gates are finally open - nice screenie of the Barrel at Dux

it sure is a joy to fly...

TDR - nice start on the Gulfhawk - I guess I want that paint when its ready...

[thunder100]

bought it tried it

really nice not to say superb

Roland

Only thing a bit hard on FPS-( fluctuating )

[DaveB]

Don't want to drag this thread OT but it's relevant to the F3F release.

Does anyone know what the relationship between PCAviator and PCAviator.au is?? I was switching between PCA.au and FSPS for days waiting for the F3F and in the end.. it turns up on PCA. I've had an email today from PCA.au reminding me of 10off Tuesday and there's the F3F and Swift on the page!! It wasn't there yesterday and Aeroplane Heaven weren't listed as 'Manufactureres':banghead: I'm a bit miffed because I registered at PCA yesterday (didn't have an account) and wouldn't have bothered had I known it would appear at PCA.au who are used to taking lots of my money:biggrin-new: For sure.. having an account at one store doesn't crossover to the other store.
Just curious.

BOT:encouragement:
ATB
DaveB:)

[Cazzie]

Unlike the others, the markings seem basically correct. On this one it's the base color that's completely wrong. It's gray, when all real F3Fs were silver, at least until the advent of camouflage.

The other screenies show markings that make the planes appear to have been made up of pieces of several different aircraft glued together in some kind of Frankenliveries.

Then there's the ones that paint the plane in the markings of squadrons that never flew the type, like VF-7, which only flew the very different looking -1 version, with its completely different nose, tail and cockpit enclosure.

Did they paint it in Army colors this time? Last time they even painted it in Army colors!

You'd think a payware publisher would feel some sort of obligation to get it right, but apparently not.


They were not silver so much as polished aluminum Mick. The wings and fabric surfaces were silver doped lacquer, with the upper wing chrome yellow. Note that the chrome-yellow was also on the leading edge of the underside of the upper wing also. Don't worry Mick, I got your huckleberry. While colors for simulation can never be correct, I use SimmersPaintShop for my swatches, they are invaluable to any skinner. Yes, is was OD over NG last time, I corrected that on those.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22035&stc=1The Marine example at Pensacola was paint LG for protection, but it is hard to tell what color it was when they pulled it out of the water. I did two renditions, one polished aluminum and one LG.

[heywooood]

bought it tried it

really nice not to say superb

Roland

Only thing a bit hard on FPS-( fluctuating )

I don't see any fluctuation in FPS, but I do have an instant of render lag when switching views, I have a momentary black disc for a propeller..unless I double pump the F9 key.
I like the way the spinning prop looks as it is modeled, just wish my Intel I5 chip could manage it better

[TuFun]

They were not silver so much as polished aluminum Mick. The wings and fabric surfaces were silver doped lacquer, with the upper wing chrome yellow. Note that the chrome-yellow was also on the leading edge of the underside of the upper wing also. Don't worry Mick, I got your huckleberry. While colors for simulation can never be correct, I use SimmersPaintShop for my swatches, they are invaluable to any skinner. Yes, is was OD over NG last time, I corrected that on those.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22035&stc=1

The Marine example at Pensacola was paint LG for protection, but it is hard to tell what color it was when they pulled it out of the water. I did two renditions, one polished aluminum and one LG.

Exactly. Based on the same aircraft at Pensacola, although I haven't done alphas and bumps yet on this one. Added more detail. Also, need to resize the Lion/Globe a little larger.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/Projects/tw11_zpssxzyqdsm.jpg~original

Partial work on the left side (rivet/panels).

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/Projects/tw2_zpsypcf4qx9.jpg~original

[heywooood]

good research is critical...

I decided it was important to find a nice F4F to go with my new F3F....and don't you know there is one - same developer, its available from JustFlight...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/2015-4-21_11-15-29-900_zps9f1hmr1j.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/heywooood/media/2015-4-21_11-15-29-900_zps9f1hmr1j.png.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/2015-4-21_11-8-44-636_zpsogotdukm.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/heywooood/media/2015-4-21_11-8-44-636_zpsogotdukm.png.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/2015-4-16_9-49-10-285_zpsdvsp6crk.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/heywooood/media/2015-4-16_9-49-10-285_zpsdvsp6crk.png.html)

like peas and carrots...

[gray eagle]

Heywood, Your photos ^ gave me some inspiration/idea for these. Yup, my wildcat is from JF too.

http://s24.postimg.org/nqnteve91/2for1.jpg

http://s18.postimg.org/50pjpki8p/dual.jpg

[bazzar]

Don't want to drag this thread OT but it's relevant to the F3F release.

Does anyone know what the relationship between PCAviator and PCAviator.au is?? I was switching between PCA.au and FSPS for days waiting for the F3F and in the end.. it turns up on PCA. I've had an email today from PCA.au reminding me of 10off Tuesday and there's the F3F and Swift on the page!! It wasn't there yesterday and Aeroplane Heaven weren't listed as 'Manufactureres':banghead: I'm a bit miffed because I registered at PCA yesterday (didn't have an account) and wouldn't have bothered had I known it would appear at PCA.au who are used to taking lots of my money:biggrin-new: For sure.. having an account at one store doesn't crossover to the other store.
Just curious.

BOT:encouragement:
ATB
DaveB:)

Dave, the two are the same outfit. The fact that you have to have two accounts may be something to do with the whole EU thing. You probably need to ask them. The F3F-2 is available in Oz from them now but that is where we are so....

[WarHorse47]

good research is critical...

I decided it was important to find a nice F4F to go with my new F3F....and don't you know there is one - same developer, its available from JustFlight...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/2015-4-21_11-15-29-900_zps9f1hmr1j.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/heywooood/media/2015-4-21_11-15-29-900_zps9f1hmr1j.png.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/2015-4-21_11-8-44-636_zpsogotdukm.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/heywooood/media/2015-4-21_11-8-44-636_zpsogotdukm.png.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/2015-4-16_9-49-10-285_zpsdvsp6crk.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/heywooood/media/2015-4-16_9-49-10-285_zpsdvsp6crk.png.html)

like peas and carrots...Yes. My thoughts exactly. Got the F4F out of the hangar. Now I'm wondering if I can improve it with the sounds from the F3F... HHmmmm... :encouragement:

[bazzar]

The F3F-2 cntains special and unique prop behaviour code to match the stutter sounds. So I'm afraid although you can just use the sound package in the F4F, the prop will not stutter the same.:engel016:

[heywooood]

fortunately - my PC is situated in my corporate shed-quarters..so I can lay on the subwoofer pretty good....

the engines in these Grummans sound just fine to me

[Lee Mumbower]

Can anyone tell me how to remove pilot? Lee

[YoYo]

good research is critical...

I decided it was important to find a nice F4F to go with my new F3F....and don't you know there is one - same developer, its available from JustFlight...

like peas and carrots...

I'm not sure in 100% but I think JF F4F Wildcat was done by members of part Aeroplane Heaven.
btw. on SOH You can find better VC textures for this Wildcat: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?catid=117&linkid=4025 (I used it).

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/859813051530975275.jpg


Can anyone tell me how to remove pilot? Lee

This panel.

http://aeroplaneheaven.com/img/products/f3f/featurepanel.jpg

btw.
Any news about the paintkit?

[bazzar]

The paintkit is inside the packaged zip.:engel016:

[ZsoltB]

http://kepkezelo.com/images/nxr6b82ff3qtuo8z2bn.jpg

[TeiscoDelRay]

Progress so far, unfortunately I will not be able to put the scallop on the cowl because of the way it was mapped but all the rest is working out great.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/g2a_zps2zdnqko6.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/Warbirds_photos/media/g2a_zps2zdnqko6.jpg.html)

[dvj]

http://kepkezelo.com/images/nxr6b82ff3qtuo8z2bn.jpg

Oh man, that's great!

[dvj]

Progress so far, unfortunately I will not be able to put the scallop on the cowl because of the way it was mapped but all the rest is working out great.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/g2a_zps2zdnqko6.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/Warbirds_photos/media/g2a_zps2zdnqko6.jpg.html)

Stunning paint. I think the GF's wheel covers were also orange?

[TeiscoDelRay]

Yes, this is a work in progress so will get around to them soon.

[Cazzie]

This panel.

http://aeroplaneheaven.com/img/products/f3f/featurepanel.jpg

How does one bring that up? Or am I overlooking it with my old eyes?

Caz

[heywooood]

This panel.

http://aeroplaneheaven.com/img/products/f3f/featurepanel.jpg

How does one bring that up? Or am I overlooking it with my old eyes?

Caz

Shift+F1 - its the only popup this model has

[YoYo]

I miss something or didnt see in manual. How to remove bombs under wings?

http://images70.fotosik.pl/823/31121ab1f2eb5370.jpg

[TuFun]

Just looking at possible stuff to do!

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/Projects/TW-3_zpsy0tiksgj.jpg~original

[YoYo]

I miss something or didnt see in manual. How to remove bombs under wings?



Ok, I have it.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad52/rafikst/Grumman%20F3F-2/Screenshot40071_zpsr4hnginy.jpg~original

btw.
To see something in front of my nose is very difficult, especially when lading. I know model has an edited point of view but it isnt work with Track IR (it resets every time). I think for better view its a good idea to do next view from VC in up position (next A key from VC).
The chair was moving:

http://www.militaryaircrafthistorian.com/images/Grumman_F2F.jpg

[heywooood]

Shift+F1 - its the only popup this model has

should be Shift+1 ....(not F1)

[heywooood]

Grumman did have a seat jack for landing but proper approach and landing can be accomplished routinely without it....similar to Corsair curved approach method developed by Brits for carrier landings

[gradyhappyg]

Still playing around with the paint kit.

WARNING:The following images may not represent an actual livery and may be disturbing to some members.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22100&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22101&stc=1

[ZsoltB]

Private

http://kepkezelo.com/images/s21hzxqjwweq7f52qhd.jpg

[DaveB]

Dave, the two are the same outfit. The fact that you have to have two accounts may be something to do with the whole EU thing. You probably need to ask them. The F3F-2 is available in Oz from them now but that is where we are so....

Cheers Bazzar:encouragement: As each day passes.. this whole 'EU' thing ticks me off more and more. Come the revolution...
ATB
DaveB:)

[bazzar]

Believe it or not, she's up at FlightSim pilotshop at last.:engel016:

[falcon409]

. . . . .
btw.
To see something in front of my nose is very difficult, especially when lading. I know model has an edited point of view but it isnt work with Track IR (it resets every time). I think for better view its a good idea to do next view from VC in up position (next A key from VC).
The chair was moving:

http://www.militaryaircrafthistorian.com/images/Grumman_F2F.jpg
Easily fixed by changing the "eyepoint" setting in the aircraft.cfg file. This makes a permanent adjustment, not automatically reset by TrackiR.

[DaveB]

I'd be happy for a suggestion on this Ed. I don't have any difficulty landing her on a runway but for carriers.. it's a nightmare. Not tried her with TIR yet.

ATB
DaveB:)