What are the chances re: MAMMSIM N3N....

[heywooood]

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/290097-maam-sim-goes-native-fsx/

I have enlisted the aid of countless witch doctors and voodoo priestesses in an effort to breathe some life into this old project to no avail (yet)

So I pose the question to Jan and whomsoever else it may concern...might the Yellow Peril be revived someday?

Seems a shame to have the work that was done to date go to waste when I know there are many here who would love to fly it.
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[Cees Donker]

Would be great!



Cees

[pilottj]

Count me in, I hope the N3N sees the light some day, I will have my CC ready on that day.

Cheers
TJ

[heywooood]

a picture is worth...something something

[heywooood]

couple more of the wip pics...

[txnetcop]

Amazing detail...FANTASTIC!
Ted

[ejoiner]

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/290097-maam-sim-goes-native-fsx/

I have enlisted the aid of countless witch doctors and voodoo priestesses in an effort to breathe some life into this old project to no avail (yet)

So I pose the question to Jan and whomsoever else it may concern...might the Yellow Peril be revived someday?

Seems a shame to have the work that was done to date go to waste when I know there are many here who would love to fly it.
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Tis a real shame since there is one of these that lives at my local airport. (McCollum Airport, Kennesaw GA). The pilot gives joy rides for a fee every weekend. Dude flies over my home routinely!

[heywooood]

There is one that comes to the local air show here - Wings over Gillespie - the feller who owned it wore a T-shirt that said "its not a Stearman" _ I guess he got tired of saying it...

I've been looking for the disc I have with pictures of it - If I find it I'll post 'em

[Javis]

Coincidently ( or maybe not ?...... ) i have just been asked for the source files by Snake11 for him and his collleagues to finish up the N3N model. Can't to do that without permission of Bill (Rambow, Maam-Sim boss) eventhough Maam-Sim has closed its doors. It wouldn't be right without Bill's consent, would it. So i've asked him to contact Bill about it but haven't heard back from him yet.

Of course i'd love to see the N3N finished up myself too of. Time willing i'd love to help out as well.( f.i. there's still only the wheeled version..) May take a while because Bill is enjoying his retirement with his family and making long trips with his motorhome and kayak. :cool: He's still web master of the MAAM site so can be contacted once in a while.

cheers,
jan

[heywooood]

that sounds promising Jan , thank you for the update - much appreciated and glad to know that you are willing to wade back into it if needs be.

So what I gather here is that a few nudges in the general direction of the webmaster @ MAAM-Sim would not be out of line - ? gentle inquiries mind you....

I've contacted the Disney people WRT the use of a handful of dwarvish fellers - time to awaken this sleeping beauty

[pilottj]

That R-985 powered N3N looks like it would be a real thrill to fly, loads of power up front.

[Javis]

Yep, you can scare the hell out of Gary Grant for one thing. :cool:

Bill's alright with the further development of the N3N model, guys. That means anything can happen now. :encouragement:

cheers,
jan

[heywooood]

oh man that's GREAT!

I cant wait to see what happens next. Thanks Jan

[Roger]

This is great news:applause:

So that was the aircraft in North by Northwest.

[Javis]

Yes indeed, Roger. I used to believe, i suppose like anybody else, that it was a Boeing Kaydett but knowing about all ins and outs of the N3N during development of the model and later on saw the clip again i knew we were wrong. Several comments in the net acknowledge the fact that it actually is an N3N too.

cheers,
jan

[Bomber_12th]

An N3N that is believed to be the one used in the movie is still flying today, restored and painted in Coast Guard markings: https://notastearman.wordpress.com/aircraft-pages/4420-2/

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/Annex%20-%20Grant%20Cary%20North%20by%20Northwest_01_zpsacb 2vyii.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/Annex%20-%20Grant%20Cary%20North%20by%20Northwest_01_zpsacb 2vyii.jpg.html)

[Javis]

That's a great photo, John ! :encouragement:

But this doesn't look like a sugar cane field..... Also looks like Mr.Grant is wearing a life preserver vest ?...... ( North by Northwest II ?.... )

Interesting picture for sure ! :)

cheers,
jan

[dhasdell]

I've an idea that by the time it hits the petrol tanker it has become a Stearman, though.

[Bomber_12th]

Jan, as I recall, this was a studio shot for promotional use only (as seen below (I like the original B&W better)), which combined a static photo of the aircraft set behind some stage dressing - it's pretty easy to tell where the two came together.

Sorry for the thread drift!

I'm very excited about the potential for the N3N project to be picked up and completed. As with many I'm sure, I stooped into quite a bit of a depression when the project/MAAM-sim came to a halt, as I was greatly anticipating the fun I was going to have when your N3N was completed and released.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/Poster%20-%20North%20by%20Northwest_17_zpsix5kxua6.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/Poster%20-%20North%20by%20Northwest_17_zpsix5kxua6.jpg.html)

[Javis]

Interesting story, John, thanks ! Flying that low the aircraft would've probabely cast a shadow on the ground as well if the photo would've been real... Remains the mystery of what Mr.Grant is wearing there, and why... It looks like a life preserver but certainly not one i have ever seen. ( i have a collection of them ranging from WWII up to today. Gotta love eBay.. :cool: )


And yes, that's deffinately the N3N. The most signifcant difference between the N3N and the Stearman is the undercarriage which is made up of several tubes and looks a bit flimsy on the N3N while that of the Stearman looks very sturdy and rugged and has the inner works covered by a large fairing. The MAAM has them both, the difference in other aspects of both airframes is very significant as well if you see them next to eachother. The Stearman can be hired for sightseeing flights but the N3N is currently still grounded.

Now that Bill has givin his consent to finish up and release the N3N model i'll get in contact with Stu and his companions and see what they have in mind for that Yellow Peril. :teapot:

cheers,
jan

[Bomber_12th]

Jan, what you're seeing is his tie blowing up over his shoulder. ; )

Regarding the N3N, I consider myself fortunate to have been to some airshows early in life in which a locally-based N3N took part, and that there was a knowledgeable-enough airshow announcer that explained that it was in fact not a Stearman and rather a completely different design. I've also always enjoyed the humorous perspectives of N3N owners - the worst thing you could possibly do to them would be to call their N3N a Stearman/N2S/Kaydet, etc. ; )

A nice selection of N3N photos here: http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=48185

[Javis]

I've an idea that by the time it hits the petrol tanker it has become a Stearman, though.

I think you're right ! Now you talk about it i seem to remember having seen an article or atleast a picture or a clip that proved that fact. Probabely the N3N was way to valuable to meet up with a petrol tanker. Lots of Stearmans around. ( actually there are quite a number of N3N's in museums and not only in the US. The number of airworthy N3N's is of course vastly outnumbered by that of the Stearman )

Here's a great clip of the start-up of an N3N's P&W Wasp Junior :


http://youtu.be/jm-y9o8nG0I

[Javis]

And here a manpowered start of the N3N's original Wright R-760-2:


http://youtu.be/ruGYJlT9DSo

Both these engines are featured in the N3N model. Both music to my ears! ( check it out, Ted! Obviously we'll be knocking at your soundstudio door once the N3N is in alpha stage... :cool: )

cheers,
jan

[Javis]

Jan, what you're seeing is his tie blowing up over his shoulder. ; )

Oh!! Really !??... LOL :biggrin-new:

I did notice that small whirly bit... did find the 'whole composition' very strange, yeah.... a life vest on a civil suit.... i do see now that the dark area at the bottom of the 'life vest' must be the shadow of his arm... and that's a heck of a broad tie then... I guess a clear case of prove that i'm a genuine Mae West nut, i see them even when the're not there ! Sjeeezzz.... :stupid:


Regarding the N3N, I consider myself fortunate to have been to some airshows early in life in which a locally-based N3N took part, and that there was a knowledgeable-enough airshow announcer that explained that it was in fact not a Stearman and rather a completely different design. I've also always enjoyed the humorous perspectives of N3N owners - the worst thing you could possibly do to them would be to call their N3N a Stearman/N2S/Kaydet, etc. ; )

A nice selection of N3N photos here: http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=48185

Wow!! That's quite a fantastic collection indeed ! Great find, John, thanks !! :encouragement:

Cheers,
Jan ( who really is a kiwi-fruit :kiwi-fruit: )

[gray eagle]

My research has conclusively determined that that airplane use in the North By Northwest is in fact a N3N-3


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbpUcAI86MY


The Buno is N45091 (as the plane crashed into the truck you briefly see N45091)

Research on that particular aircraft revels the following data:

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N45091.html

Scroll down on above link to see users comments that this was the plane (N3N-3) used in the movie North by Northwest.

But you knew all this right Bomber_12th :adoration:

I think the machine gun strafing was a Hollywood effect.


Edit:

I found this additional info (Scroll to bottom)


https://notastearman.wordpress.com/aircraft-pages/4420-2/

https://notastearman.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/45091-in-nxnw.jpg?w=625


(https://notastearman.wordpress.com/aircraft-pages/4420-2/)

on above link,
comment at bottom reads:

(BTW, the flaming wreckage shown after the crash was NOT an N3N)

[gray eagle]

More info on the North by Northwest N3N plane:
In the scene of fire when having hit the truck, the plane used is part of Fairchild PT-19

http://impdb.org/images/thumb/8/85/I432404.jpg/500px-I432404.jpg

See link below (same info as above)

http://impdb.org/index.php?title=Destination_Hitchcock:_The_Making_ of_North_by_Northwest

[TuFun]

Both these engines are featured in the N3N model. Both music to my ears! ( check it out, Ted! Obviously we'll be knocking at your soundstudio door once the N3N is in alpha stage... :cool: )

cheers,
jan


:encouragement:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPiMBD0dcZw#t=65

[Javis]

Terrific video, Ted, never seen this before ! Thanks! :encouragement:

Here's a still from it :

http://sectionf8.com/f86files/pr_n3n4g.jpg

Nah, not a still from it..... Just coincidently i seem to have chosen the same livery for a test repaint of the model :teapot:

:ernaehrung004:
Jan

[TuFun]

Well, after hearing this awesome news (be waiting a long time for this :biggrin-new:) ... started scouring the net and pulled four videos for sound samples!

Background history... (2010) rendering. Remember these Jan!

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/290097-maam-sim-goes-native-fsx/

[heywooood]

Yes....its alive!!!

[heywooood]

Terrific video, Ted, never seen this before ! Thanks! :encouragement:

Here's a still from it :

http://sectionf8.com/f86files/pr_n3n4g.jpg

Nah, not a still from it..... Just coincidently i seem to have chosen the same livery for a test repaint of the model :teapot:

:ernaehrung004:
Jan

the one in the vid (r/l) has the two broad red stripes on the upper wing and the horizontal stab and elevator should be blue like the vert. fin and rudder - also the R/L has the tail strut bracing instead of the wires...but aside from that lol its dead on balls accurate
also - the yellow should be more orange-ish like a piper cub...than the canary shade on the 3d model - but I digress upon a WIP fairly unfairly as it were
beg pardon - I get excited - I'll get me coat

[gray eagle]

I asked my Dad (91) what plane did he take his Navy primary training in and told me it was the N2S. He told me the N2S was by Stearman and the N3N by Naval Aircraft Factory.

Here is a nice pic of the N2S which looks similar to the N3N.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/N2S-2_NAS_Corpus_Christi_1943.jpg

More info here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N3N_N2S_at_NAS_Corpus_Christi_1942.jpg

[Bomber_12th]

Other than both being biplanes, the N2S (Stearman - built by Boeing) and the N3N (Naval Aircraft Factory) were completely different designs, and when seen side-by-side look very little alike. It may also surprise many that the N3N was in service with the military longer than the N2S/Stearman, the N3N entering service in 1940 and not being completely retired from the military until 1959 - known as being the last U.S. military biplane. Quite a few of the restored N3N's out there also have both the interchangeable landing gear and the floats options, even if the floats are usually only ever displayed, rather than used. However, here is a nice story from a couple decades back, of restoring and flying an N3N fitted with floats out of Pender Harbour in Canada: http://www.canadianflight.org/content/bill-thompson-and-his-n3n

Here are a couple more recent photos of the same aircraft, still based at/flown from Pender Harbour:

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2517/3724264739_b80c9815c2_b.jpg

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/6/3/7/1569736.jpg


Here is one of a number of N3N's restored and displayed with both the floats and gear:

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2403/2145150909_f5660c5632_b.jpg


The elegant lines of the N3N:

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1359/906861481_c0c1556ad0_o.jpg

[Javis]

Well, after hearing this awesome news (be waiting a long time for this :biggrin-new:) ... started scouring the net and pulled four videos for sound samples!

Background history... (2010) rendering. Remember these Jan!

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/290097-maam-sim-goes-native-fsx/

How could i forget ! :wink:

Just reinstalled Gmax. The Peril nicely survived underneath the dust cover, great to see her back again! She'll be send off to the new contractor asap.

'Sounds' good, Ted ! I suppose main problem is inside sounds. There are a few Utube vids from inside the N3N cockpit. Unusable because the mike is surprisingly held *outside* the cockpit.... Awfull rackett There's a lot more open biplanes that either use the Wright R-760 or P&W R-985 of course. If we're going to insert a flywheel starter procedure here's a good one : http://youtu.be/4vNlQ_IZh6o How's that for a workout aparatus :cool:

[Javis]

the one in the vid (r/l) has the two broad red stripes on the upper wing and the horizontal stab and elevator should be blue like the vert. fin and rudder - also the R/L has the tail strut bracing instead of the wires...but aside from that lol its dead on balls accurate
also - the yellow should be more orange-ish like a piper cub...than the canary shade on the 3d model - but I digress upon a WIP fairly unfairly as it were
beg pardon - I get excited - I'll get me coat

Heheh, was just a quick test, got fed up looking at all that yellow for a year or so :teapot:

These days an FS aircraft dev doesn't get to do much repainting himself because there's already a staggering amount of work involved in creating the external and internal models. I have always thought that repainting is the most relaxing and rewarding part of it all. Did a lot of that for earlier FS versions and enjoyed that very much. You bet i envy Jan-Kees and his colleagues ! I make sure i'll get to do a few first before they'll get their spraycans on it ! :cool:

[TuFun]

How could i forget !

Just reinstalled Gmax. The Peril nicely survived underneath the dust cover, great to see her back again! She'll be send off to the new contractor asap.

'Sounds' good, Ted ! I suppose main problem is inside sounds. There are a few Utube vids from inside the N3N cockpit. Unusable because the mike is surprisingly held *outside* the cockpit.... Awfull rackett There's a lot more open biplanes that either use the Wright R-760 or P&W R-985 of course. If we're going to insert a flywheel starter procedure here's a good one : http://youtu.be/4vNlQ_IZh6o How's that for a workout aparatus :cool:

Hey Jan, I have a much better video of the flywheel starter done in 1941 by Navy personnel. If you want to see some action of the N3N checkout this movie "Dive Bomber 1941".

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20831&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20832&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20833&stc=1

[Javis]

Other than both being biplanes, the N2S (Stearman - built by Boeing) and the N3N (Naval Aircraft Factory) were completely different designs, and when seen side-by-side look very little alike. It may also surprise many that the N3N was in service with the military longer than the N2S/Stearman, the N3N entering service in 1940 and not being completely retired from the military until 1959 - known as being the last U.S. military biplane. Quite a few of the restored N3N's out there also have both the interchangeable landing gear and the floats options, even if the floats are usually only ever displayed, rather than used. However, here is a nice story from a couple decades back, of restoring and flying an N3N fitted with floats out of Pender Harbour in Canada: http://www.canadianflight.org/content/bill-thompson-and-his-n3n

Here are a couple more recent photos of the same aircraft, still based at/flown from Pender Harbour:

Great photos and great story, thanks, John! :encouragement:

( i didn't know what 'scow' ment so i googled it. Surprisingly it stems from my *own* language (dutch) : ' schouw ' which is a type of flat bottom sailing boat. Mind you, it can also be a mantelpiece.. :))

[Javis]

Hey Jan, I have a much better video of the flywheel starter done in 1941 by Navy personnel. If you want to see some action of the N3N checkout this movie "Dive Bomber 1941". :adoration:

Way ahead of you here, Sir. On Utube not available to watch for us dutchies ( damn european regulations:mad: ) but hey, i bought the movie when i was working on the N3N. :smile: Great action scenes of the N3N indeed ! :encouragement:

[TuFun]

Way ahead of you here, Sir. On Utube not available to watch for us dutchies ( damn european regulations:mad: ) but hey, i bought the movie when i was working on the N3N. :smile: Great action scenes of the N3N indeed ! :encouragement:

Did you notice that plane that was bunny hopping across the field? Different type of aircraft than the one they parked.

[heywooood]

Heheh, was just a quick test, got fed up looking at all that yellow for a year or so :teapot:

These days an FS aircraft dev doesn't get to do much repainting himself because there's already a staggering amount of work involved in creating the external and internal models. I have always thought that repainting is the most relaxing and rewarding part of it all. Did a lot of that for earlier FS versions and enjoyed that very much. You bet i envy Jan-Kees and his colleagues ! I make sure i'll get to do a few first before they'll get their spraycans on it ! :cool:

I know what you mean - or at least have a sense of it given the number of extremely talented developers and painters we have in this community. Both practices seem to require a ton of knowledge and ability, and time and resources to the point of being mutually exclusive (almost)

Glad to hear the N3N files were still intact after the time that had elapsed...Great!
..excuse me while I run around the block a few times

[heywooood]

just popped in to see if the new crew had any remarks as yet...

anyone seen "the Lego Movie" ?

if you have then you know what I mean when I say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d0DChU-BF0 this is me right now...

Love the N3N

[Javis]

Did you notice that plane that was bunny hopping across the field? Different type of aircraft than the one they parked.

Haven't seen the movie for quite some time, Ted.

Have to say, this whole N3N revival show with all the great pictures, video clips, links and getting it out of the mothballs of course, is really stirring up the fire. Putting me in an awkward split. At one hand i don't really want to delegate the further development of it at all, would rather try and finish it up myself. At the other hand i know i can't leave the DC-3 VVC alone for such long time. Ask any mother how hard it is to put up her baby for adoption.... T'is true though without adoption this baby might never grow up...

Hey, Wood, no haven't heard from the foster parents yet.... :smile:

[heywooood]

well Javis - here's hoping the Fosters lean on ya just enough to make it fun and not so much it bogs ya down...but I'm sure you'll get a fair amount of give n take once they start in properly

[Alky]

At the other hand i know i can't leave the DC-3 VVC alone for such long time.

http://i.imgur.com/sc5oLU4.jpg

[heywooood]

wondering if the party that is taking on completion of the N3N project have any news...?

[heywooood]

Bump - any info at all would be welcome...

[Navy Chief]

This is my buddy, Lantz and his wife Hilda, with their Stearman. They live in Bayou La Batre, at Roy E. Ray airport. Lantz is a retired PRCS (Parachute Rigger Senior Chief). NC
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21782&stc=1

[Javis]

Bump - any info at all would be welcome...

you'd be wanting to talk to snake11 now, matey. :)

[Javis]

This is my buddy, Lantz and his wife Hilda, with their Stearman. They live in Bayou La Batre, at Roy E. Ray airport. Lantz is a retired PRCS (Parachute Rigger Senior Chief). NC



"with their Stearman" ... you added that later, didn't you, Chiefy.... after you'd discovered it wasn't an N3N afterall.... :p87:

One wonderful looking Stearman nontheless ! :encouragement:

[heywooood]

you'd be wanting to talk to snake11 now, matey. :)

PM sent - hopefully there can be some news to report

[fsxar177]

PM sent - hopefully there can be some news to report

Maybe the new developer has reason for the secrecy ?

[heywooood]

awwe man we're talking about an FSX model - not toppling Kim Jung Un

[Navy Chief]

"with their Stearman" ... you added that later, didn't you, Chiefy.... after you'd discovered it wasn't an N3N afterall.... :p87:

One wonderful looking Stearman nontheless ! :encouragement:

Am sure I will catch flack for this comment, but all I noticed is that the N3N is a biplane, and the lines look similar to a Stearman (to ME, anyway!). Were the subject a F-8 Crusader, I would readily know the differences from a A-7 Corsair II. I guess it's all in what interests ya! NC

[trucker17]

I sent an email off to Bill or Rambow from MAAM-sim, to see if their is anything being done in private hands for the N3N.
I will post his reply here in this thread once i hear from him.