Hurricane

[NickB]

I have found this model to be a right PITA to paint. Panel sizes are different even on the same texture! And I still can't find the leading edge of the left wing tip.

[DaveSHQ]

Some Devs shoot themselves in the foot with crummy paint kits. I've bought a couple aircraft just because of some excellent repaints ie A2A Spitfire 3 with Tom Weiss repaints although I already had a couple Spits

[falcon409]

Some Devs shoot themselves in the foot with crummy paint kits. I've bought a couple aircraft just because of some excellent repaints ie A2A Spitfire 3 with Tom Weiss repaints although I already had a couple Spits
While developers have the know how to build beautiful models, some of them will admit that they hate mapping textures and in the process produce poorly mapped models. It's not so much that the paint kit is bad, but rather that the original mapping was poorly conceived and poorly executed.

[OleBoy]

I agree with all said. I can see a situation where something may not get mapped as an over sight.
Curiosity makes me ask, by chance have you created a layer that is a solid color, above everything to see if the area may have been mapped, although one bit of mesh "stacked" over (or mixed in) another bit of mesh? I can see (and have fixed) this happening on templates.

Once you find the area is painted, you may have to walk through the template parts one by one with colors or numbers. My method is a lot of work, but it does help if you're determined.

Concerning the different sizes of identical (or opposite) areas, re-scale them to make them the same to your likings. Just a suggestion.

[Gibbage]

When I was developing the Seabee, I had a re-painter in the beta program specifically to give me feedback on the paint kit. I know that re-paints are a big part of sales, and that if someone did re-paints, it means more marketing and sales. Its not an area that can be ignored by dev's, so I warn anyone that wants to be lazy with paint kits.

[OleBoy]

I very much agree, Kevin. A Repainter in the early stages prior to release play a very important "key role" to the friendly-ness for the end user. Especially for someone who enjoys painting models. Not only are they making the model easier to paint, they are also finding (and relaying to the creator) of deficiencies that need to be addressed.

Flipped normals or an inverted poly, a gap, etc. I see it in many times even from the best developers.

[hairyspin]

If a developer merely imagines the flak resulting from a rotten paint kit he (or she?) might pay more attention to the job. It's not as if the tools to produce one are lacking, and it's not so hard to produce a layer labelling which bits of the mapping belong where.

[OleBoy]

Agreed, Tom.

Something as simple as a "text/info" layer that identifies parts (or groups of) takes a minute amount of time on the developer and beta painters part, and communicating. When they transfer the mesh to the template. Some (a lot!) simply do not care.

(Added) The parts ID was obviously traced to make the repaints that are/were released when it made consumer status. I see no need to be put through having to re-trace the steps aside from utter laziness on the developers end. (End Added)

If I am considering a model purchase, I've learned to critique (not count rivets) every part. Including "user friendly" templates

[huub vink]

Despite the problems, your paintwork looks very nice.

The model is hard to repaint because there is so much detail in the actual model that the textures "hop, crop and stretch". Also the lay out can be called "unconventional". Nevertheless I think is is the best looking Hurricane around and especially the VC is very good.

Cheers,
Huub

[NickB]

Despite the problems, your paintwork looks very nice.

The model is hard to repaint because there is so much detail in the actual model that the textures "hop, crop and stretch". Also the lay out can be called "unconventional". Nevertheless I think is is the best looking Hurricane around and especially the VC is very good.

Cheers,
Huub

Thanks Huub. This is my favourite model at the moment. I think it captures the rugged strength of the Hurricane very well. I have no idea how accurate it actually is but I like the way it looks and flies. I re-drew all the panel lines sometime ago and did a 302 Sqn paint which I didn't quite finish but was inspired to finish this 402 Sqn one after seeing a certain Norwegian one :applause: recently uploaded.

[huub vink]

In general I think FSX models are primarily made to fly and not just to repaint them. So I can understand why designers do not consider the repaint friendliness as their top priority when creating a model. However I believe that repaints contribute to the success of a model.

Here is my attempt to repaint the JF Hurricane.....
(still work in progress.....)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/Huubs_Pictures/20141224_a1_zpsd344f57b.jpg~original (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/Huubs_Pictures/media/20141224_a1_zpsd344f57b.jpg.html)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/Huubs_Pictures/20141224_a3_zps11a7723f.jpg~original (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/Huubs_Pictures/media/20141224_a3_zps11a7723f.jpg.html)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/Huubs_Pictures/20141224_a2_zpsb1b3a597.jpg~original (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/Huubs_Pictures/media/20141224_a2_zpsb1b3a597.jpg.html)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/Huubs_Pictures/20141224_a4_zps62190ab3.jpg~original (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/Huubs_Pictures/media/20141224_a4_zps62190ab3.jpg.html)

[Cees Donker]

Nice work Huub!

Cees

[bazzar]

Merry Christmas everybody.

Nice scheme Huub.

I have to say I take a small offence at being called "lazy"!

I think 55 productions in 9 years could hardly be called lazy?!

This hobby evolves. It now seems paintkits drive sales (personally I don't believe this much as I don't see all that many paints from the general market for any add-on. A handful of enthusiastic re-skinners unfortunately does not make a huge difference to sales.

These days, unless the add-on has "deep systems", 100% functionality in everything in the cockpit, photographic textures and more, it will not satisfy. Shame really, speaking entirely personally, I don't have the patience to wait years for a product. I'd rather build something that is honest in quality and features, get it to market in a timely manner and move on.

All this extra work costs time which equals money. Most devs will not receive any more for their labours so such feature creep reduces the dev's earnings.

Anyway enough of that. Have a great break, enjoy the Hurri for what it is and we'll see you with some surprises in the new year.:santahat:

[huub vink]

Hi Bazz, a Merry Christmas to you as well. I think I've said all I had to say in my previous post and I definitely would't call you "lazy" * wink* :encouragement:
However it is a pity the model didn't come with the dog.... :biggrin-new:

Cheers,
Huub


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/Huubs_Pictures/h30_rb_zpsa89e7926.jpg~original (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/Huubs_Pictures/media/h30_rb_zpsa89e7926.jpg.html)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/Huubs_Pictures/bw364_zps1baaf53d.jpg~original (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/Huubs_Pictures/media/bw364_zps1baaf53d.jpg.html)

[Dumonceau]

In general I think FSX models are primarily made to fly and not just to repaint them. So I can understand why designers do not consider the repaint friendliness as their top priority when creating a model. However I believe that repaints contribute to the success of a model.

Here is my attempt to repaint the JF Hurricane.....
(still work in progress.....)



http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/Huubs_Pictures/20141224_a3_zps11a7723f.jpg~original (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/Huubs_Pictures/media/20141224_a3_zps11a7723f.jpg.html)



http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/Huubs_Pictures/20141224_a4_zps62190ab3.jpg~original (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/Huubs_Pictures/media/20141224_a4_zps62190ab3.jpg.html)


Now that is magnificent! You got me drooling over my keyboard here! :biggrin-new:

Cheers,

Johan

[Dumonceau]

Here's a shot of a Belgian Hurricane, doing what they never did in reality: firing their guns in anger. Most of them were in fact destroyed on the ground...

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17284&stc=1

Dumonceau

[huub vink]

Not completely true. On the 2nd of March 1940 3 Belgian Hurricanes intercepted a German Do.17 which was flying over (still) neutral Belgium. And there is a record which states the Hurricane H-23 got damaged when it intercepted some He111 on the 10th of May 1940.


This hobby evolves. It now seems paintkits drive sales (personally I don't believe this much as I don't see all that many paints from the general market for any add-on. A handful of enthusiastic re-skinners unfortunately does not make a huge difference to sales.

Bazz, I don't think the "handful of enthusiastic re-skinners" make the real difference in sales, but the people who decide to purchase after they have seen one of their favourite models in their favourite livery. Posting images of re-skinned models is free advertising for the model.

Cheers,
Huub

[jankees]

nice paint, Huub!

[Roger]

A fine repaint Huub:applause:

I was hoping to see a few RAF repaints but as yet there is only 1 I'm aware of.

[bazzar]

Not completely true. On the 2nd of March 1940 3 Belgian Hurricanes intercepted a German Do.17 which was flying over (still) neutral Belgium. And there is a record which states the Hurricane H-23 got damaged when it intercepted some He111 on the 10th of May 1940.



Bazz, I don't think the "handful of enthusiastic re-skinners" make the real difference in sales, but the people who decide to purchase after they have seen one of their favourite models in their favourite livery. Posting images of re-skinned models is free advertising for the model.

Cheers,
Huub

Oh I understand the value of these kinds of images and activity Huub and grateful for them too. Sometimes a mapping method may very well be difficult to follow but then it would have been done to help speed development and get the product out quicker. There are so many variables. Some like lots of weather and scratches, others don't Some people have the skills to start with a "bare"canvas, others don't. We generally produce what we believe to be a good cross-section of models and liveries/schemes to satisfy most people "out-of-the box". Amending existing textures to carry different codes or adding a bit of noseart or other markings is usually simple stuff to regular painters like you!

[huub vink]

A fine repaint Huub:applause:

I was hoping to see a few RAF repaints but as yet there is only 1 I'm aware of.

Hi Roger,

I'm a bit confuse as the JF package for FSX contains several RAF versions for the model with the two bladed propeller. I think you are mixed this model with the "old" Aeroplane Heaven Hurricane which was released as freeware. When my memory is correct that only contained one livery (111 squadron) for the two bladed propeller model.

When you want to have some extra RAF liveries for that model, I can have a look, as this model is much easier to repaint than the FSX version. As I need to make a the basic textures first (layered paintkit) it will take a while as there are a few other models I would like to repaint first.

Cheers,
Huub

[Roger]

Hi Huub,

I was hoping for a few more RAF repaints with the new paint kit that Bazz supplied for the FsX version without the "rain washed" effect.

[NickB]

I was hoping for a few more RAF repaints with the new paint kit that Bazz supplied for the FsX version without the "rain washed" effect.

Roger, I didn't use the paint kit but is this the kind of thing you were looking for?

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18235&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18236&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18237&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18238&stc=1

[DaveB]

They're smashing Nick:applause:

ATB
DaveB:)

[huub vink]

Great work Nick! :applause: :applause: :applause:

Huub

[Roger]

Excellent work Nick:applause:

[NickB]

Thanks chaps.
There are some issues. Don't look too closely at the camo join lines. I got tired of trying to line them up perfectly, I really have no patience (Although it is a proper attempt at a paint scheme B). I couldn't find where the black disc texture behind the prop or the pitot(!) probe under the left wing are, and I'm not sure if you can do an accurate black underside left wing paint for RST's aircraft on this Mk 1 so I left it all sky underneath. They have been uploaded to FlightSim.com and unless I've made an error in the upload they should be available hopefully sometime Thursday.

[dhasdell]

Very nice work - I'm looking forward to trying them.

[roger-wilco-66]

... and it's not so hard to produce a layer labelling which bits of the mapping belong where.

Fully agree! Rendering a uwv template in Max is a few mouse clicks!


Cheers,
Mark

[DaveB]

Just found your paints up on Allnodes Nick.. very nice indeed;) If you ever feel the urge to paint 7L or any of the current flying UK examples.. I'll be more than happy to keep filling the hangar:very_drunk:

ATB
DaveB:)

[SpaceWeevil]

Wow, your perseverance paid off! Terriffic job - all of them much appreciated, thank you :)

[huub vink]

Nick, after 2 repaint for the JF Hurricane I know hoe difficult it is too repaint this aircraft. Therefore I fully understand how difficult is must have been to finish 4 repaints! As each each flap has a repeating texture it is impossible to do an accurate repaint with a black and a white wing and a silver lower fuselage. It is however possible to create a livery where the border between black and white is over the center line of the aircraft. However when you try to put numbers on the lower wing you will find out that they will become distorted :dizzy:.

I did one early RAF Hurricane for my friend Roger, but I considered it not good enough to upload it. The same is valid for the Belgian Hurricane. I did it for Dumenceau, but its just not up to the standard I try to maintain.

Do well done Nick, I'm really looking forward to fly your repaints as the model really deserves some nice repaints.

Cheers,
Huub

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/Huubs_Pictures/20150115_1_zps8dd45a60.jpg~original (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/Huubs_Pictures/media/20150115_1_zps8dd45a60.jpg.html)

[Roger]

First off, thanks to Huub for a great repaint!

Next thanks to Nick for his multi-pack of Hurri repaints and they're great!

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/01/15/w3jIv.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/01/15/1dtsF.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/01/15/Fs4M.jpg

[DaveSHQ]

You sir are awesome

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i239/DavidT_photo/2015-1-15_17-17-48-800.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/DavidT_photo/media/2015-1-15_17-17-48-800.jpg.html)

[NickB]

Thanks chaps, I'm very glad that you like them.
There are a few more that I would like to have a go at including the early version with black under the left wing. I will have a look at 7L but the camo pattern on that one is a reversal of the one I've done so might take a while.
It's always nice to see your repaint in someone else's screenshots so thanks Roger and DaveSHQ. Particularly like Roger's clouds, not default I'm guessing.
Huub, can't see what's wrong with L1574, are you being too critical?

Going to have a look at the JF Spitfire that came in the BoB package when I get bored with this Hurricane, but that might be awhile.

Cheers.

[heywooood]

Not completely true. On the 2nd of March 1940 3 Belgian Hurricanes intercepted a German Do.17 which was flying over (still) neutral Belgium. And there is a record which states the Hurricane H-23 got damaged when it intercepted some He111 on the 10th of May 1940.



Bazz, I don't think the "handful of enthusiastic re-skinners" make the real difference in sales, but the people who decide to purchase after they have seen one of their favourite models in their favourite livery. Posting images of re-skinned models is free advertising for the model.

Cheers,
Huub

the key insight on the importance of a decent paintkit....it cant be stated any more clearly

[DaveB]

Yup.. I think that's true. I'd have had a go at a number of paints for it had the PK been more user friendly but I took one look and backed off.

Nick.. thanks for taking a look at 7L. Camo isn't my favourite style and given how the PK is put together.. it was a definite no-no for me. I looked around for shots of G-HURR yesterday and found plenty. It always looked very distinctive at airshows wearing it's all black livery with red spinner. I'd forgotten though that it crashed a few years ago killing the pilot and while it looks like a straight forward paint.. I'm not sure how you'd feel about painting it knowing how it ended. I'd have second thoughts too.

ATB
DaveB:)

[noddy]

Well I think it is time to put this one back in to the sim, fantastic new paints. :ernaehrung004:

[DaveQ]

Here's my first WIP. A standard Mk.1 from 249 Sqdn 'C Charlie', RAF Church Fenton in October 1940. And yes the camo's a SOB (and worse....).

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18294&stc=1

DaveQ

PS - I think this is the inverted camo mentioned earlier??

[Roger]

Good news Dave...but I'm not seeing the picture.

[Naismith]

Dumb Q of the day. Am I right in thinking the JF Hurricane is the same as the JF one? Or am I hallucinating?

[DaveSHQ]

Dumb Q of the day. Am I right in thinking the JF Hurricane is the same as the JF one? Or am I hallucinating?

No the JF Hurricane is the JF one (Hurricane) :D

[Naismith]

Oh the value of double checking a post. I am a dope.

What I meant was AH (Airplane Heaven to be exact)

[Portia911]

These skins are for the AH 'Battle of Britain' Hurricane - sold by JF either as a stand alone, or in a 3-plane pack alongside the Spitfire and Me.109.

[DaveQ]

Reposted. Apparently the picture didn't show for all.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18350&stc=1

DaveQ

[DaveB]

I see it now Dave.. that's cool:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Roger]

Yep, I can see it now too. Very nice Dave!

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/abf3GZv.jpg

[dougal]

One word will do for these repaints..... Ok then, two....

F****** OUTSTANDING!!!!

Thank you for your work. Looking forward to installing these;-)

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/xfJwwol.jpg

[DaveB]

Mine got.. a racer Zsolt!!

ATB
DaveB:)

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/OOneJaT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8q1so1B.jpg

[dhasdell]

As G-AMAU, PZ865, The Last of the Many was entered in the 1950 King's Cup by Princess Margaret, flown by Peter Townsend, and came second. The name was painted on the left hand side under the cockpit.

[ZsoltB]

As G-AMAU, PZ865, The Last of the Many was entered in the 1950 King's Cup by Princess Margaret, flown by Peter Townsend, and came second. The name was painted on the left hand side under the cockpit.


I think good...

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234935569-hurricane-the-last-of-the-many-which-exhausts/

[ZsoltB]

http://i59.tinypic.com/2lxnrp.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://i62.tinypic.com/2aj4ysm.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/28ji61k.jpg

[Dumonceau]

Those are brilliant Zsolt!!

[WarHorse47]

Nice work, Zsolt. Just wish they were freeware.

[DaveSHQ]

Nice work, Zsolt. Just wish they were freeware.

Paint it yourself. It's not that hard.

[WarHorse47]

Paint it yourself. It's not that hard.
Someday, maybe. But for now I enjoy the efforts of other folks more talented than myself.

[ZsoltB]

Soon available here

[DaveB]

Ahh...:jump:

Cheers Zsolt:encouragement:
ATB
DaveB:)

[WarHorse47]

Cool.. :encouragement:

Thanks, Zsolt

[ZsoltB]

Available the SOH library

Zsolt

[NickB]

Slightly revised colours with a bit less red in the brown and a bit more red in the red.


http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18499&stc=1

[dhasdell]

Now that's a nice one. Peter Townsend's mount ten years before G-AMAU!

[DaveB]

Yeah.. I like that Nick:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Dumonceau]

Zsolt my friend,

Those shots look like they came out of Battle of Stalingrad!! :D

Dumonceau

[ZsoltB]

Zsolt my friend,

Those shots look like they came out of Battle of Stalingrad!! :D

Dumonceau

:eagerness:

[Bradburger]

Slightly revised colours with a bit less red in the brown and a bit more red in the red.

Ah, that looks much better!

Looking forward to this repaint Nick!

Are you going to do the same for your existing repaints?

Cheers

Paul

[NickB]

Ah, that looks much better!

Looking forward to this repaint Nick!

Are you going to do the same for your existing repaints?

Cheers

Paul

I was afraid somebody was going to say that. I may have to do that, yes.:banghead:

[PHo17]

Available the SOH library

Zsolt

Thanks for those great paints of Hurricane and Fokker Zsolt!

Pekka

[Bradburger]

I was afraid somebody was going to say that. I may have to do that, yes.:banghead:

I know it will be probably be a pain Nick, but well worth the effort! The corrected colors just look so much better. :smile:

And some nice repaints there too zsoltquack.

Cheers

Paul

[ZsoltB]

Thank you All! :applause:

Zsolt

[WarHorse47]

Thanks for those great paints of Hurricane and Fokker Zsolt!

PekkaYes, thank you Zsolt. :adoration:

[NickB]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18555&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18556&stc=1

[ZsoltB]

Good idea! :applause:

Zsolt

[DaveB]

Ahh.. excellent job Nick:jump: Thanks for taking a looksee:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[NickB]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18569&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18570&stc=1
Airfix! Seemed a logical choice after the black version.

[DaveSHQ]

Question

Why is it LK-A on one side and A-LK on the other?

[dhasdell]

Why is it LK-A on one side and A-LK on the other?
It varied. Sometimes the two letters would be ahead of the roundel on both sides, where the fuselage had more room for the letters, and sometimes they would be ahead on one side or behind on the other. The important thing is that the double letter was always the same on both sides and not, say, LK*A on one and L*KA on the other.

[DaveQ]

Most photos of Mk. I Hurricanes I've found have the squadron code (LK) to the left of the RAF roundel and the aircraft letter (A) to the right, irrespective of which side of the fuselage they're on. This would seem to be the way most codes were applied early in the war. Later the squadron code was always applied forward of the roundel on both sides. The problem we repainters have is that we mostly work from one or two photos unless we're depicting a preserved/museum example, in which case they may not be accurate anyway....:dizzy:

Whatever, these are great paints Nick!

DaveQ

[dhasdell]

The problem we repainters have is that we mostly work from one or two photos

And on top of that most photos are taken from the left hand side. Pics showing the same aircraft from both sides are rare.

[noddy]

Fantastic, look forward to those.

[DaveSHQ]

The problem we repainters have is that we mostly work from one or two photos unless we're depicting a preserved/museum example, in which case they may not be accurate anyway....:dizzy:

Whatever, these are great paints Nick!

DaveQ

I've dabbled in a couple of repaints myself ;) I'm just not widely known here yet....and yeah they are great repaints.

[huub vink]

Great repaints Nick! :encouragement:

[bazzar]

Rule of thumb is that the roundels should match positionally on either side. The double letters are the squadron code, the single letter being the aircraft code. This obviously must never be altered. Combinations used to change dependent on the squadron. Some employed larger aquadron codes with a smaller aircraft letter. Then you have the "odd" and "even" number camouflage system of reversing the two colours. This was the "A" and "B"camouflage system. Yes there are quite a few little potholes for repainters to fall into!

[ZsoltB]

http://i57.tinypic.com/1zfpsea.jpg

[dhasdell]

Rule of thumb is that the roundels should match positionally on either side.
Yes. The roundels and serials were painted on at the factory (Langley, as it might be!) when the aircraft was built. The squadron codes were applied after delivery to the RAF when issued to a particular squadron.

[ZsoltB]

http://i61.tinypic.com/2dsreya.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://i57.tinypic.com/2i1jcqa.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/rh95pd.jpg

[DaveB]

Ahh.. love that PRU scheme Zsolt:jump:

ATB
DaveB:)

[ZsoltB]

http://i62.tinypic.com/5ov5g5.jpg

[NickB]

Zsolt

I do like that Norwegian one, very nice.

[ZsoltB]

Zsolt

I do like that Norwegian one, very nice.

Thanks,

Available the week!

Zsolt

[Portia911]

Many thanks to Nick and Zsolt for giving us some great new options for the BoB Hurricane. :applause:

[NickB]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18947&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18948&stc=1

[DaveB]

Well.. I go to the foot of our stairs:jump: What a little belta:very_drunk:

Zsolt.. still no sign of your PRU blue paint??

ATB
DaveB:)

[Bomber_12th]

Superb repaints these are, NickB! That latest one will look superb flying over ORBX's Old Warden scenery (though it also reminds me how much I miss flying Robert Sanderson's incredible Sea Hurricane in FS9).

[NickB]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19189&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19190&stc=1

[dhasdell]

Oh, now that JX*B is a nice one!

[huub vink]

Wow stunning Nick! I have a profile of this particular aircraft in a book and it has been a long time on my to-do list. You made my day as I can take it from my list as you made the perfect version!

Thanks,
Huub

[NickB]

Thank you for your very generous comments gentlemen. I have to say, the "B" on the right side was a right "B" to do because I don't have a font for it and it's in an area where the mapping is a bit weird. Hopefully will upload to flightsim tonight along with the below which is AE977, but I will probably add the texture for V7467.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19209&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19210&stc=1
Cheers

[DaveB]

Dear me Nick.. you MUST be bored if you're repainting release paints!! Very nice it is too:very_drunk:

ATB
DaveB:)

[NickB]

Dear me Nick.. you MUST be bored if you're repainting release paints!! Very nice it is too:very_drunk:

ATB
DaveB:)
Somebody asked me to do it.

Cheers

[flying legend]

Seeing all those nice repaints made me buy this plane today! Thanks Nick, Zslot and Huub.

Question to Huub, Is the Belgian repaint already available?

Keep up the great work and many thanks!

F.L.

[huub vink]

Hi FL,

It has never been uploaded, but when you want to have it you can PM me your e-mail address and I will send it by mail.

Cheers,
Huub

[Bomber_12th]

NickB, thank you very much again for all of the superb repaints for the JF Hurricane - I just got around to getting the latest two.

In-case you may be interested, the restored Hurricane AE977 no-longer wears those Douglas Bader markings. A few years back, Comanche Fighters/Friedkin family sold the aircraft, which had been based here in the US, to Peter Monk in the UK, and it has been based at Biggin Hill since early 2013. It was repainted shortly after it arrived in the UK, as P3886 "UF-K", and was repainted again just recently as P2921 "GZ-L". This is how she currently looks, painted as P2921 (photos from the "Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar"):

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/10477261_660067274101016_7532416894408649602_o_zps jmto7sbd.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/10477261_660067274101016_7532416894408649602_o_zps jmto7sbd.jpg.html)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/10453066_670043343103409_5839624625886320657_o_zps 37hq6pwm.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/10453066_670043343103409_5839624625886320657_o_zps 37hq6pwm.jpg.html)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/10631175_670043329770077_8470255471951982333_o_zps wketmpaj.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/10631175_670043329770077_8470255471951982333_o_zps wketmpaj.jpg.html)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/10714464_667122003395543_5723459382468815833_o_zps lgu2ycnt.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/10714464_667122003395543_5723459382468815833_o_zps lgu2ycnt.jpg.html)

[Bomber_12th]

Speaking of Hurricane restorations:


This one is now flying in the UK, as of 2014, registered as G-CBOE (with a German owner), in its permanent, silver Rhodesian paint scheme.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/IMG_1197copy_zpsidegvu5p.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/IMG_1197copy_zpsidegvu5p.jpg.html)


The same aircraft was painted in temporary Finnish markings for an airshow that it took part in last year in Finland, shortly after the restoration was completed.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/67336_1408389065_zpsjdoh7c0h.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/67336_1408389065_zpsjdoh7c0h.jpg.html)


The Hurricane P3717 (registered G-HITT) should be flying imminently for the first time following restoration. Just today it was trucked from Hawker Restorations to the Turweston airport where it has been re-assembled and will now undergo taxi-tests and flight testing.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/img_0600_zpscnivnb6q.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/img_0600_zpscnivnb6q.jpg.html)

An earlier picture showing some of the other side.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/Outdoors%20RS%20Profile_zpspk8zhxbd.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/Outdoors%20RS%20Profile_zpspk8zhxbd.jpg.html)

[Bomber_12th]

Also, the Hurricane Mk.I P2902 (registered G-ROBT) could possibly be completed/flying this year as well. This rare machine forced-landed on the Dunkirk beach in 1940 and was recovered in the 1980s. All of these photos of it are quite dated now:http://www.hawker-restorations-ltd.co.uk/_images/_current/robt/Current/robt.html

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/Outdoors%20G-HITT%20and%20G-ROBT_zpsxcru1lcx.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/Outdoors%20G-HITT%20and%20G-ROBT_zpsxcru1lcx.jpg.html)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/Hawker-Restoration_2328525k_zpsxajvcywj.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/Hawker-Restoration_2328525k_zpsxajvcywj.jpg.html)


Another great one I would love to see depicted (even on a Mk.I model) is Peter Teichman's/Hangar 11 Collection's Hurricane "Pegs" - possibly my favorite of all those currently flying, registered G-HHII. http://hangar11.co.uk/hurricane.html

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/hurribomber_1_zpsdi2ymh7i.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/hurribomber_1_zpsdi2ymh7i.jpg.html)

[bazzar]

Interesting to see a different font used for the squadron markings. GZ-L was Pete Brothers' aeroplane in the Battle of Britain. Contemporary photographs show a slightly different font and letters which are much thicker. Model and sim painters certainly have their work cut out to get the job to look authentic!

[NickB]

NickB, thank you very much again for all of the superb repaints for the JF Hurricane - I just got around to getting the latest two.

In-case you may be interested, the restored Hurricane AE977 no-longer wears those Douglas Bader markings. A few years back, Comanche Fighters/Friedkin family sold the aircraft, which had been based here in the US, to Peter Monk in the UK, and it has been based at Biggin Hill since early 2013. It was repainted shortly after it arrived in the UK, as P3886 "UF-K", and was repainted again just recently as P2921 "GZ-L". This is how she currently looks, painted as P2921 (photos from the "Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar"):

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/10477261_660067274101016_7532416894408649602_o_zps jmto7sbd.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/10477261_660067274101016_7532416894408649602_o_zps jmto7sbd.jpg.html)


Thanks Bomber.

I found out about AE977 about an hour after I uploaded it on Saturday, having bought a copy of the March issue of Flypast in Sainsbury's but not reading it till the evening, typical :banghead:.

I will have a go at it and some of the others, but the big letters could be a bit awkward.

Cheers.

[Naismith]

RESULT! I was just clearing out old e-mails this pm when I came across a JF one - seems I bought this Hurricane in 2011 and totally forgot all about it. Quick log in and download and there we have it. Thinks....... I am hoping it is the same at any rate it is advertised as the "BoB Hurricane". Tonight will tell. :encouragement:
'tis worrisome that I can forget having purchased it though. :dizzy:

[NickB]

Canadian.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19467&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19468&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19469&stc=1

[Portia911]

Geez are all Brit warbirds being bought by optometrists? I hate those big letters! Please keep the skins authentic to the original WWII versions, not the inaccurate contemporary depictions.

[DaveWG]

That is authentic.

[bazzar]

The contemporary depictions are not necessarily inaccurate.

You need to remember that in 1940, standardised markings were in their infancy. Prior to this and in the days of the BEF in France, the Hurricane was brand new and finished in a wide variety of markings. Some had no letters.

It was quite common for BoB period aircraft to have different sized letters,

32 Squadron was GL and these were painted very large with a (sometimes smaller aircraft letter.

Take a look at this contemporary shot of a 32 Squadron Hurri taken during the battle. Note the size of the letters.

[Bradburger]

Geez are all Brit warbirds being bought by optometrists? I hate those big letters! Please keep the skins authentic to the original WWII versions, not the inaccurate contemporary depictions.

Umm, I think you need to do a bit more research! :wink:

As Bazzar writes (and proves with a period picture), during the early war years when markings and roundels were changing frequently, sometimes these orders were misinterpreted, or done in a hurry, and not always adhered to, hence sometime larger than normal roundels, and in the case of Pete Brother's 32 Squadron Hurricane, the Squadron codes.

As for the schemes on currently restored WWII aircraft, I think you'll find that the restorers, owners, and operators of these historic aircraft have stepped up their game when it comes to accurately reproducing and researching paint schemes, compared to that of the last 30 or 40 years, when this kind of accuracy and attention to detail was very rare!

Of course, there are exceptions to the rule today, such as the CAF FM-2, and some of the fighters operated by the Palm Springs Air Museum. :frown-new:

Anyway, some lovely work there Nick!

Cheers

Paul

[Portia911]

Ok, clearly I didn't know what I was talking about. Thanks to Dave, bazzar and Paul for setting me straight. :wavey:

[bazzar]

Believe me, it's a trap for young (and not so young!) players. Wonderful paints Nick. I personally, prefer to see the war weary - it's how they were through those dark days. Nothing wrong with both versions. I just wish restorers wouldn't finish in high gloss. I know the reasons - far more practical but when you do see the full-size aeroplane in the correct finish it is so much more impressive in my book. One day, a restorer might finish with chips, scuffs and weathering built in. Dreaming again.:engel016:

[Bomber_12th]

Another beautiful one, Nick! For those that don't know, the Flying Heritage Collection's Hurricane is painted in those Canadian markings seen in Nick's latest screenshots. http://www.flyingheritage.com/TemplatePlane.aspx?contentId=13


With regard to recent discussion, these are all of the Hurricanes currently capable of flying, at this time:

Hurricane Mk.XII N54FH - Owned by the Flying Heritage Collection
Hurricane Mk.IIB N943HH - Owned by Jerry Yagen/Military Aviation Museum/Fighter Factory
Hurricane Mk.IV CF-TPM - Owned by Vintage Wings of Canada
Hurricane Mk.IIA F-AZXR - Owned by Jan Friso Roozen
Hurricane Mk.I G-HUPW - Owned by Peter Vacher
Hurricane Mk.XII G-HURI - Owned by the Historic Aircraft Collection
Hurricane Mk.IIC PZ865 - Owned by the RAF Battle of Britain Memorial Flight
Hurricane Mk.IIC LF363 - Owned by the RAF Battle of Britain Memorial Flight
Hurricane Mk.IIB G-CBOE - Owned by Karl-Friedemann Grimminger
Hurricane Mk.X G-CHTK - Owned by Peter Monk
Hurricane Mk.IIB G-HHII - Owned by Peter Teichman
Sea Hurricane Mk.IB G-BKTH - Owned by the Shuttleworth Trust

In addition...

Hurricane Mk.I P3717 (G-HITT) owned by Hugh Taylor should be flying very soon now that the restoration is complete - taxi trials and test flights to be commencing.
Hurricane Mk.I P2902 (G-ROBT) owned by Rick Roberts is currently in an advanced state of restoration to fly at Hawker Restorations.
Hurricane Mk.IIB Z5207 (G-BYDL) owned by Karl-Friedemann Grimminger is under restoration to fly.
Hurricane Mk.I V7497 (G-HRLI) is registered to Hawker Restorations and under restoration to fly.
Hurricane Mk.IIB AM274, previously owned/under restoration by John Norman/JNE Aviation in the US, is now owned by the Vormezeele family in Belgium (no strangers to warbirds) and will be completed to fly.
Hurricane Mk.XII (N96RW) owned by the Lone Star Flight Museum has been under long-term restoration to fly again in Colorado.
Hurricane Mk.XII RCAF 5447 (C-GGAJ) owned by Vintage Wings of Canada is in an advanced state of restoration to fly, a restoration that is being done in-house.
Hurricane Mk.XII RCAF 5481 (former C-FDNL), previously owned by Ed Russell, is now in Australia and is undergoing a repair/recovering and slight rebuild (and total repaint) process at Pay's Air Service before flying again.

Besides those, there are some other Hurricanes undergoing restoration to static at this time (including one Mk.I in England with the early fabric wing). Kermit Weeks has collected many components/sections to have one restored to fly, when/if he decides to do so. I believe Jerry Yagen/Military Aviation Museum has a well-preserved Hurricane that was recovered from a bog in Russia several years back, perhaps in storage (in addition to the one he has that is restored and flies).

[Bomber_12th]

With regards to warbird finishes these days, it is getting very rare to see glossy paint on any warbirds being painted today, other than where it actually was used originally (for instance, the red paint used on the noses of 4th FG Mustangs was actually glossy, and the Dark Sea Blue paint used on Navy aircraft in 1945 and post-WWII was glossy). Even flat paint will shine when light hits it, and some owners/restorers have chosen to use an "egg shell" finish, which is sort of a semi-flat/semi-gloss, which also isn't wrong in various applications either (for instance, the Flying Heritage Collection used that style finish on their Fw-190A-5 restoration, as that aircraft, and others in its squadron, were polished regularly in the field by its ground crew - a shine that can be easily seen in period photos even). Also, there's a big difference between fresh flat paint on fresh skins (which shouldn't be called glossy), compared to aged flat paint (faded/stained) on aged skins (dented/oil canning/general imperfections). None of the restored Hurricanes in all of the photos I've posted here have glossy paint (including the Rhodesian silver-painted example), and not one of the others flying today could be said to have glossy paint either. Besides the actual flat/gloss finish, today's restorers/painters, in general, also are getting the colors, demarcation lines, and placements and sizes of markings more correct/authentic than ever before. I know some of the restorers/painters, with the immense research they do going into recreating these paint schemes, even tap into private photo collections with photos of the original aircraft/paint schemes that haven't ever been published/seen publicly before.

[Ian Warren]

One off the things pointed out to me and with the rebuild off EX Warbird NZ P3551, the quality or type of paint had change, it chemical value giving the aircraft a better resistant coat and protection also giving that extra gloss, course parked up after the days flying it was lovingly cleaned , fortunate to see the build of that aircraft at the Air New Zealand engineering base in Christchurch, the techniques used were the same as WWII but with better materials.

[NickB]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19752&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19753&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19754&stc=1
Uploaded at Flightsim.com. Probably just a couple more that I'd like to do before moving on to something else.

[DaveB]

Lovely Nick;) I've been exercising my new paints regularly and these three will ensure the paint doesn't fade so quickly on the others!!

ATB
DaveB:)

[NickB]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19755&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19756&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19757&stc=1
NHB is my personnel aircraft so won't get uploaded and the number 4 is a training unit so I might practice weathering it a bit. If you never see it again it will be because my weathering was c7*p. Like to do another Sea Hurricane and see about "adding" a tail hook.

[DaveB]

Works for me;)

ATB
DaveB:)

[NickB]

Works for me;)

ATB
DaveB:)


Dave you may recognise the crest on NHB. :encouragement:

[DaveB]

Were I a betting man Nick.. I'd go for the City of Wolverhampton crest;)

ATB
DaveB:)

[NickB]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20787&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20788&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20789&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20790&stc=1
Last batch at flightsim.com.

[Bomber_12th]

All of these are absolutely superb, Nick! Thank you very, very much for lending your time and skills to making and providing these repaints - they've got me flying the Hurricane again. Many of these last batch are personal favorites.

[DaveB]

Oo-er.. he's back:wavey: Like all of those Nick.. especially 'M'. Not seen that variation before:very_drunk:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Bomber_12th]

That one is a Sea Hurricane scheme, Dave. ; )

[SpaceWeevil]

Love the desert scheme and the contrast between your UP-W and the grubby original - and at last we have Pegs from Hangar 11 - thank you!

[DaveB]

That one is a Sea Hurricane scheme, Dave. ; )

Yup.. I'd guessed as much. Still.. not common to see one wearing those clothes. A very welcome partner to 7L:very_drunk: Tks for the confirmation:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Bradburger]

All of these are absolutely superb, Nick! Thank you very, very much for lending your time and skills to making and providing these repaints - they've got me flying the Hurricane again. Many of these last batch are personal favorites.

Indeed!

Superb work Nick, off to download now.

Cheers

Paul

[NickB]

Thanks chaps, glad you like them. They will probably be the last, at least for a while, unless I find an interesting one to do.
Going to have a look at JF's BoB Spitfire now but I have only recently noticed that the bump mapping is a bit off on the right side of the nose. Not sure if I can fix that, anyway, I'll give it a go.

Cheers
NickB:wavey:

[Portia911]

Thanks again for your great Hurricane skins, Nick. Good luck with the Spitfire! :ernaehrung004:

[dhasdell]

Thanks again for your great Hurricane skins, Nick. Good luck with the Spitfire!

Ow yiss! :wavey: