New version of Bookmark SAAB 35 Draken released

[swimeye]

A new version of the Bookmark Draken has been released, it is now working with dx10 preview mode.
A lot of other things has also been updated, you must register to download.

/Sims

[YoYo]

A new version of the Bookmark Draken has been released, it is now working with dx10 preview mode.
A lot of other things has also been updated, you must register to download.

/Sims

This one?

https://simulations.bookmark.se/ .

[StormILM]

It's a nice model but a beastly handful! Got it and tweaked the afterburner but otherwise, it's a great model!

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[swimeye]

This one?

https://simulations.bookmark.se/ .

Yes, exactly!

[hschuit]

A big thanks to Thomas Nilsson for giving us this unique aircraft! :applause::applause::applause:

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/11/23/3ZLVc.jpg

[swimeye]

That is an amazing screenshot Hschuit!!

[hairyspin]

It's a nice model but a beastly handful!

... which is why it interested me. I'll have to get the update! :jump:

[jankees]

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Mirage/ss14337.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/Mirage/ss14337.jpg.html)

Thank you, one of my favorite jets!

[dhazelgrove]

I keep wishing Thomas would do us a Viggen.

Dave

[Bjoern]

It has a model for the stick in the VC! A quadruple hooray!

[JimmyRFR]

Wow. I wasn't familiar with this! Haven't had a lot of time to get very well acquainted yet, but really, wow!

Thanks to the OP for the post, otherwise I would of remained unaware!

[JensOle]

Thanks for the heads up! It looks like a very well made representation of the famous swedish cold war fighter.

I met some former swedish draken pilot at the SERE C course at the Swedish ranger school for some years back and they had some very good stories about intercepting both US U-2 and SR-71 back in the days. The SR-71 guys send a plaque to the Flygflottilj and congratulating them on the intercept.. Little doubt the draken had astonishing high altitude performance.

[Bjoern]

There's a fix for the AP, btw.

https://simulations.bookmark.se/2014/11/autopilot-alt-hold-fix/

I've also sent Tom a fix for the bank selector in HÖJD and ATTITYD mode. Let's see when he can get it implemented.



Overall a very pleasant aircraft to fly, as long as you keep the speed and AOA within limits. If only there were some (retro) sceneries and (mil) AI for Sweden.

[StormILM]

My video of the Draken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiWOE1HFL3U

[DaveB]

Nice vid Storm and a lovely landing:encouragement:

I have my sound turned down quite low and I was impressed with how loud the soundset was on external view.. VERY loud! I remember seeing a Draken at Farnborough in the 60's and besides the impressive display.. it was memorable for how unbelievably loud it was!;)

ATB
DaveB:)

[JensOle]

You Brits should know the sound... it was after all a licensed Royce Rolls Avon which powered the Draken :-)

[Bjoern]

H/U: Version 4.1.1 is out!

https://simulations.bookmark.se/2014/12/draken-4-1-1-maintenance-release/

[menef]

Hi! Someone knows if the Bookmark site is still alive? I was unable to view it

[DaveB]

Using the link Bjoern posted.. I get error 404.

Using this one.. https://simulations.bookmark.se/ I can't get onto the simulation page.

ATB
DaveB:)

[menef]

Using the link Bjoern posted.. I get error 404.

Using this one.. https://simulations.bookmark.se/ I can't get onto the simulation page.

ATB
DaveB:)

Me too, so they are dead?

[Jafo]

Me too, so they are dead?

Sure looks like it...;)

[menef]

Sure looks like it...;)

Hi Mister Jafo! But was this product payware or free? Is there any way to get it anywere?:banghead:

[Jafo]

Hi Mister Jafo! But was this product payware or free? Is there any way to get it anywere?:banghead:

It was freeware.

Apparently on his blog...dating to around 2011...

I now feel that the Draken project has reached its logical end. After the Microsoft Flight Simulator franchise was discontinued I have gradually lost interest in flightsimming in general, and add-on development in particular, and I no longer have the time or energy to keep a full-scale web community running. And so I have decided to close shop.

[menef]

It was freeware.

Apparently on his blog...dating to around 2011...

I now feel that the Draken project has reached its logical end. After the Microsoft Flight Simulator franchise was discontinued I have gradually lost interest in flightsimming in general, and add-on development in particular, and I no longer have the time or energy to keep a full-scale web community running. And so I have decided to close shop.
What a pity! Thank you for the support Mr. JAFO:sorrow:

[StormILM]

The site was up and running as of recently. I found a bug in the fuel system and reported it to Thomas back in December and he acknowledged my report and said he was working on a patch. I checked back since then and up to a couple of weeks ago, the fuel system patch wasn't added yet. The page outage is probably temporary and I believe he's still slowly working on a P3D only version (with the FSX version now being final).

[menef]

The site was up and running as of recently. I found a bug in the fuel system and reported it to Thomas back in December and he acknowledged my report and said he was working on a patch. I checked back since then and up to a couple of weeks ago, the fuel system patch wasn't added yet. The page outage is probably temporary and I believe he's still slowly working on a P3D only version (with the FSX version now being final).

Very good news! I'm very happy. Thank you!!! :jump:

[scotth6]

The links in this thread are not loading for me either.

I just found what looks like an older version of the Draken, for FS2004, but according to the post it also works in FSX.

http://simviation.com//cgi-bin/syb2.cgi?section=military&file=fsxj35draken.zip

http://simviation.com/fsxmilitary21.htm


A search on Simviation for "Draken" results in quite a few different packages, including some from Thomas Nilsson (Bookmark).

http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1&keywords=Draken&x=15&y=15

Cheers,

[dhazelgrove]

The links in this post are not loading for me either.

I just found what looks like an older version of the Draken, for FS2004, but according to the post it also works in FSX.

http://simviation.com//cgi-bin/syb2.cgi?section=military&file=fsxj35draken.zip

http://simviation.com/fsxmilitary21.htm

Cheers,

That's best avoided. The FSX-native product is completely different to any previous version.

Dave

[menef]

I want it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34520&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34521&stc=1

[menef]

Ok. At Simviation there's the Bookmark Draken FSX native version
4.0 - To Find it : Search/FSX/Military/Draken.
Just downloaded (38,2 Mb). I'll try this night:sheep::sheep:

[Jafo]

Ok. At Simviation there's the Bookmark Draken FSX native version
4.0 - To Find it : Search/FSX/Military/Draken.
Just downloaded (38,2 Mb). I'll try this night:sheep::sheep:

Downloaded....and it's fun...;)

[davido53]

somebody broke the server

[menef]

Some news : the version available at Simviation is 4.0 - but the latest is the 4.1.2 - I've managed to dwld it at the Bookmark site, but in a complicated way :

1 - Google search : Draken FSX
2 - Scroll down up to something like " AVSIM FORUMS Saab Draken "
3 - Open and there's a link to the Bookmark download page.
4 - Register (free) - they send you the Pasword.
5 - Log-in and from there you can access the download page !!!!!!!


Just downloaded and I'll try later

[menef]

Meanwhile some pics of the version 4.0 - IMO it's not bad :
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34539&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34540&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34541&stc=1

[menef]

Mister Jafo !! There's also a paintkit at the Bookmark site... It should be Very nice an Austrian paint !!!!!!! BYE

[Stefano Zibell]

Some news : the version available at Simviation is 4.0 - but the latest is the 4.1.2 - I've managed to dwld it at the Bookmark site, but in a complicated way :

1 - Google search : Draken FSX
2 - Scroll down up to something like " AVSIM FORUMS Saab Draken "
3 - Open and there's a link to the Bookmark download page.
4 - Register (free) - they send you the Pasword.
5 - Log-in and from there you can access the download page !!!!!!!


Just downloaded and I'll try later

It works! Thanks, one less lost gem. :ernaehrung004:

[dhazelgrove]

There's an AI version there, too.

Dave

[Jafo]

It works! Thanks, one less lost gem. :ernaehrung004:

Definitely...;)

[menef]

I like this bird!!! It was made with passion, competency and love:very_drunk:

[scotth6]

Some news : the version available at Simviation is 4.0 - but the latest is the 4.1.2 - I've managed to dwld it at the Bookmark site, but in a complicated way :

1 - Google search : Draken FSX
2 - Scroll down up to something like " AVSIM FORUMS Saab Draken "
3 - Open and there's a link to the Bookmark download page.
4 - Register (free) - they send you the Pasword.
5 - Log-in and from there you can access the download page !!!!!!!


Just downloaded and I'll try later

Thanks for the tip.

It seems like the links from the first page are now working also.

Cheers,

[hschuit]

I like this bird!!! It was made with passion, competency and love:very_drunk:

I second that!

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2016/02/05/Bookmark_J35_v41.jpg

[menef]

Thanks for the tip.

It seems like the links from the first page are now working also.

Cheers,
Yes it is. It was out of line just when I was looking for this bird ( I didn't know about Bookmark Simumations up till few days ago ):icon30:

[dhazelgrove]

An earlier version of this also came with an Austrian model/panel, with a load of Austrian skins - all now sadly lacking.

Dave

[menef]

An earlier version of this also came with an Austrian model/panel, with a load of Austrian skins - all now sadly lacking.

Dave

I really hope that someone will make an Austrian paint even if the model&panel are not exactly as the actual Austrian Draken:mixed-smiley-010:

[JensOle]

Its a great model of a great aircraft, but we need some new HD textures. I'll see if I can get going into making new master textures.

[Jafo]

Its a great model of a great aircraft, but we need some new HD textures. I'll see if I can get going into making new master textures.

That'd be great.....the paint kit's not my fave style to work with....I prefer Piglet's ones - hence my doing high-res vers of a few of his kits....;)

[gribouil]

Some news : the version available at Simviation is 4.0 - but the latest is the 4.1.2 - I've managed to dwld it at the Bookmark site, but in a complicated way :

1 - Google search : Draken FSX
2 - Scroll down up to something like " AVSIM FORUMS Saab Draken "
3 - Open and there's a link to the Bookmark download page.
4 - Register (free) - they send you the Pasword.
5 - Log-in and from there you can access the download page !!!!!!!


Just downloaded and I'll try later

Hello menef,
I've tried what you mentioned above a few days ago and unfortunately I still have no news from bookmark... :(

[DaveQ]

Here's a simple import from version 3.2 for FS9 that contained the Austrian model and paints. All I've done is file-name changes and a new roundel on 'fsx_detail.dds'. But the whole thing needs re-doing to get a good clean exterior. Sadly the Austrian model does not port well and needs to be converted to FSX. Any volunteers???


http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/DaveQ-photos/Draken%20Austria%201_zpsonlgjo0p.jpg

DaveQ

[menef]

Its a great model of a great aircraft, but we need some new HD textures. I'll see if I can get going into making new master textures.
Hi JensOle! It should be Great!

[menef]

Hello menef,
I've tried what you mentioned above a few days ago and unfortunately I still have no news from bookmark... :(

But now the Bookmark website is working...
https://simulations.bookmark.se/

[menef]

Here's a simple import from version 3.2 for FS9 that contained the Austrian model and paints. All I've done is file-name changes and a new roundel on 'fsx_detail.dds'. But the whole thing needs re-doing to get a good clean exterior. Sadly the Austrian model does not port well and needs to be converted to FSX. Any volunteers???


http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/DaveQ-photos/Draken%20Austria%201_zpsonlgjo0p.jpg

DaveQ

Beautiful shot!!! Unfortunately I know Nothing about modelling and painting:dizzy:

[gribouil]

Download completed at last! :encouragement:

[JensOle]

I'm expiring an CTD when trying to change the aircraft in P3D 3.1, any ideas for a fix?

I have started on remaking the textures, but it is a major undertaking since the original textures are so low res and have very little details (except for some decals which are attached to the front fuselage and intakes. Looked up the old FS9 Alphasim Draken and texture wise it is far more advanced. Don't get me wrong, it is a great model, but a lot of work to bring the textures up to standards.

[Motormouse]

But now the Bookmark website is working...
https://simulations.bookmark.se/

And.....possibly not again.
IIRC from when he had his forums up and running, Thomas had a bandwidth limit to the site,
to prevent drive by downloading, and sites like fsplanet /fsdome hotlinking his files

Once the site and server load reduces it comes back on.

Ttfn

Pete

[menef]

I'm expiring an CTD when trying to change the aircraft in P3D 3.1, any ideas for a fix?

I have started on remaking the textures, but it is a major undertaking since the original textures are so low res and have very little details (except for some decals which are attached to the front fuselage and intakes. Looked up the old FS9 Alphasim Draken and texture wise it is far more advanced. Don't get me wrong, it is a great model, but a lot of work to bring the textures up to standards.

Thank you :encouragement:

[menef]

And.....possibly not again.
IIRC from when he had his forums up and running, Thomas had a bandwidth limit to the site,
to prevent drive by downloading, and sites like fsplanet /fsdome hotlinking his files

Once the site and server load reduces it comes back on.

Ttfn

Pete

Good to know! :very_drunk:

[JensOle]

Some progress shots of making a new HD textures together with Dave (he has done most of the stencils). Most if not all details are reworked and the camouflage scheme has been completely redrawn to match the real scheme.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2228.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2217.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2221.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2222.jpg~original

[Stickshaker]

This really is a big improvement over the already beautiful original, JensOle. Will you also turn your attention to the cockpit textures or do you confine yourself to the outside?

[dhazelgrove]

It'd be good if Tom could be persuaded to TacPack this one.

I've been trying to get him to do a Viggen for years.....

Dave

[menef]

Well done JensOle! Thank you:biggrin-new:

[menef]

It'd be good if Tom could be persuaded to TacPack this one.

I've been trying to get him to do a Viggen for years.....

Dave

Actually the Viggen is a big and beautiful beast missing from our FSX, I fully agree with you !!!

[DaveQ]

Meanwhile back in Austria......

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/DaveQ-photos/Draken%20Austria%203_zpszdfb8mtg.jpg

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/DaveQ-photos/Draken%20Austria%202_zps4fawv4wh.jpg

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/DaveQ-photos/Draken%20Austria%204_zpsn0cb4gao.jpg


Still work to do on the stencils but otherwise looks OK. Very many thanks go to JensOLe for translating stencils and to Henk Schuitemaker (hschuit) who has done us new models and spec files for this beautiful old girl (reminds me of the wife....!). We will publish when complete and with permissions.

DaveQ

[huub vink]

Looks great guys, thanks for all the efforts you are putting in this special model. :encouragement:

Cheers,
Huub

[menef]

Great works. I've noticed that Austrian and Swedish Draken in gray scheme are very polished, like these :
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34674&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34675&stc=1

[hschuit]

Great works. I've noticed that Austrian and Swedish Draken in gray scheme are very polished, like these :


The images are from a special jet, the Swedish Historic Flight J35J Draken serial 35556 when it was displayed at airshows. Drakens in operational use were not polished like this one.

[menef]

The images are from a special jet, the Swedish Historic Flight J35J Draken serial 35556 when it was displayed at airshows. Drakens in operational use were not polished like this one.
Ok, I didn't know it...

[thunder100]

The images are from a special jet, the Swedish Historic Flight J35J Draken serial 35556 when it was displayed at airshows. Drakens in operational use were not polished like this one.

Even the Ostarrichi Draken were not polished

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34678&stc=1
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34679&stc=1

( 1996 celebration of 1000 years Austria )

Roland

[JensOle]

It would be sort of dumb to have an aircraft which had got a new grey low vis air superiority scheme to be polished as it would reflect light much better. But for a warbird I suspect it would be a lot easier to keep clean.

A question for the crowd about the J35F:
If I understand correctly so was the intake pylon stations not standard on the F-series, but was retrofitted as part of the J-update program. The forward pylon also start to show up on Finish 35S and J35FS models at around the same time. Does this mean the pylon actually was a feature build into the F, but not used in service before on the J?

[scotth6]

Great work guys. There are some excellent screenies and photos here.

Cheers,

[menef]

[QUOTE=JensOle;1006473]It would be sort of dumb to have an aircraft which had got a new grey low vis air superiority scheme to be polished as it would reflect light much better. But for a warbird I suspect it would be a lot easier to keep clean.

This is obvious, the fact is that many years ago I saw a real Austrian Draken at Ghedi AB (Italy) and I remember very well the semigloss skin, it was an operational bird not polished for an airshow.
IMHO line-aircraft were both matt and semigloss. ( except airshow-prepared Aircraft). Anyway thank you for the work you are doing !!!

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34792&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34793&stc=1

[dhazelgrove]

This will be well worth waiting for.

Dave

[JensOle]

Menef, most if not all metal have a certain level of shine when viewed in the correct angle with the light source, even when painted in matt paint. I don't know the Austrian Drakens enough to say, but generally I don't think many operational fighter aircraft have a semi gloss paint.

Finnish J35FS Drakens


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2246.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2244.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2252.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2255.jpg~original

[JensOle]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2256.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2259.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2262.jpg~original

[Jafo]

Even if someone managed to apply a 'true' matt paint to a plane it wouldn't take too much airtime before it was no longer matt.
Airflow and weather would see to that soon enough...;)

[dhazelgrove]

It's nice to see some Danish paints on the Draken.
People tend to overlook them.

Dave

[kl791]

Couldn't agree more :jump: I did my military service in the Squadron 729 of the Royal Danish Air Force at the time when it was operating the Draken.
Henrik

[DaveQ]

It's nice to see some Danish paints on the Draken.
People tend to overlook them.

Dave

Having worked on the BM Draken for nearly 2 weeks now with Jens-Ole and Henk, I've come to understand that there were more variations of the aircraft both in the Swedish and export versions than I ever thought, as well as variations in armaments and load-outs. Unlike other export customers, the Danish requirement was for tactical strike and reconnaissance so it was substantially different externally as well as internally. Trying to model each one would be a considerable piece of work so Henk has stuck to limited variations of Thomas Nillson's original definitive Swedish -J model. If we can get Thomas's permission we intend to upload what we can. But paints now exist for all the export models although mine (Austrian and, yes, Danish) are still WIP's. Here's my Danish one. Some way to go with further detail research and a semi-gloss spec file still to do. This is 351018, A-35XD A-018 from Esk. 725 before a recce nose was installed.

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/DaveQ-photos/Draken%20Danish%201_zpsklbknbf5.jpg

DaveQ

[menef]

I' m very happy to see this project going forward! Thank you Jens,
Dave and all people involved. About the skins look I think that your
experience as talented painters will do the best. For sure the BM
Draken after your work will be far better that now. Bye:very_drunk:

[npk3]

Hi!
Are these the Finnish Air Force paintings
yet available for download somewhere?




Menef, most if not all metal have a certain level of shine when viewed in the correct angle with the light source, even when painted in matt paint. I don't know the Austrian Drakens enough to say, but generally I don't think many operational fighter aircraft have a semi gloss paint.

Finnish J35FS Drakens


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2246.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2244.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2252.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Europe/Scrshot2255.jpg~original

[StormILM]

Wow, old thread revival! I was hoping for news from Thomas regarding a fix to the fuel system on the Draken (which would fix the inverted/roll fuel starvation issue) but the site has been offline for some time now. I wish I knew how to fix the issue but oh well, hopefully one day it will get fixed.

[Bjoern]

Wow, old thread revival! I was hoping for news from Thomas regarding a fix to the fuel system on the Draken (which would fix the inverted/roll fuel starvation issue) but the site has been offline for some time now. I wish I knew how to fix the issue but oh well, hopefully one day it will get fixed.

Umm...that's a feature, not a bug. I mean, why would you go out of your way to code something like this if the real thing didn't have it?

[StormILM]

Umm...that's a feature, not a bug. I mean, why would you go out of your way to code something like this if the real thing didn't have it?

No, technically it is a bug because the way he has it programmed. The small center (booster) tank feeds the afterburner but it should refill from the mains and stay at a constant level under pressure so the engine isn't starved but he admitted it was off on this parameter. The issue I was having is that after using the AB, a simple roll beyond 90 degrees of bank would kill the engine even if the plane's attitude was in neutral or positive G. I've seen enough videos of the Draken to know they can do rolls and fly inverted with the AB engaged without having a flameout. If I knew what XML file in the model/panel was involved and what to do, I'd fix it myself but time is a factor.

[Bjoern]

Don't have the Draken installed, so I can't help.




To anybody looking for the bird, it's latest (and last?) iteration can be downloaded from here:
http://www.lockonfiles.com/files/file/3222-saab-35-draken-fsx-412/

[MZee1960]

Nice aircraft. Just too bad everything in the VC is labelled in Swedish. :mixed-smiley-010:

[fsafranek]

Nice aircraft. Just too bad everything in the VC is labelled in Swedish. :mixed-smiley-010:
The manual is in English so it's just a matter of reading it first and then go flying.
:ernaehrung004:

[COBS]

The manual is in English so it's just a matter of reading it first and then go flying.
:ernaehrung004:

Hi Frank

My Synthetic ILS instrument is now uploaded and now appearing at the Simviation website.

I will create a separate thread here once it starts to appear at Flightsim , I decided to let you know here rather
than at the other thread ,

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/112145-SAAB-J35-Draken-WIP-(New-Skin)

as , although I only tried to answer a query there I probably got carried away posting all those instrument shots ,
and as a consequence ran the risk of ' Hijacking ' that thread .

This is the instrument ,
" SYNTHETIC ILS - FOR EVERY RUNWAY AT EVERY AIRPORT in the Flight Simulator database "
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=63181&stc=1


Cheers
Karol

[fsafranek]

Hi Frank

My Synthetic ILS instrument is now uploaded and now appearing at the Simviation website.


Got it. Thank you very much for making it available.
:ernaehrung004: