Aircraft Factory Avro 504k now available

[stiz]

The Aircraft Factory Avro 504k has just been released, you can find it at the A2A store here:

https://a2asimulations.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=69&zenid=95a8dd8159236a7a68a01dc19e5b0f93

Enjoy it and all comments, both good and bad, are welcomed :wavey:

[MDIvey]

Very nice Stiz... is this your work? Its great to see some more WWI types getting some attention by developers.

Matt

[Dumonceau]

I'll pass. I love the 504K, but given the horrible comments you made about the JF Chipmunk in public, I will never buy one of your creations.

I had your Anson and I gave it away to a friend who doesn't have the financial resources to buy payware... Not a trace of it is left on any of my disks.

Dumonceau

[stiz]

Very nice Stiz... is this your work? Its great to see some more WWI types getting some attention by developers.

Matt

It is yes, i did the model and the vast majority of the codeing, Lukasz (who did the AF Albatros D.III (Oef)) did the textures :)

[YoYo]

More screenies?

[Roger]

I don't have to ask...I'll buy it. I believe lessons have been learnt, so let's leave it at that.

[stiz]

2 images, more can be found here http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=41604

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34075223/online/screenshots/504k/1.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34075223/online/screenshots/504k/3.jpg

[ce_zeta]

I'll pass. I love the 504K, but given the horrible comments you made about the JF Chipmunk in public, I will never buy one of your creations.

I had your Anson and I gave it away to a friend who doesn't have the financial resources to buy payware... Not a trace of it is left on any of my disks.

Dumonceau
Soviets did not allowed to release critics about his matters...and finally, all people knows how they ended.

Good luck, surely you'll need it. :very_drunk:

[Roger]

Let's keep the thread clean, free from politics and personal stuff please. Stiz has called for comments so feel free to give constructive criticism.

[Roger]

3 tail draggers and a float plane comprise the pack and with Dx10 usage I found no issues except the interior model in the float version does not show vc shadows...this I rectified with the Dx 10 tool box. There is a blip switch for authentic use and a throttle control for the lazy (like me). The manual (download from A2A site) is comprehensive and pilot and pupil can be removed at will. I now have 2 of my favorite British trainers: the Chippie and the 504k!

I like it and here are some screenshots...

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/08/08/40Tln.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/08/08/feTpU.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/08/08/tK70.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/08/08/Dusbm.jpg

[Roger]

2 more...

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/08/08/YLml.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/08/08/sWMdz.jpg

[lucas81]

Hi,

there should be a paintkit around very soon, so I hope that there will be some repaints, as there are lots of resources available. I also prepared some extra skin pack which can be downloaded from A2A's forums: http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=118&t=41611 That contain Old Rhinebeck Avro 504 replica scheme, Canadian Aviation Museum and some British civ and military ones.

Still more to come. After the weekend, we should release a Hamble aerodrome scenery where the Avro factory was located. This will be a freeware package.

Hope that you will enjoy it. We had lots of fun making this one.
Nice screenshots, Roger!

Lucas

[Roger]

I'm not sure if elevator trim is historically accurate but I like to be able to trim my aircraft. Under [airplane_geometry] in the aircraft.cfg I changed the setting from 0.00000 to:

elevator_trim_limit =15.0//0.00000

[lucas81]

I realise that the plane may be a bit tiring to fly with keeping the stick slightly forward all the time (this is even more frustrating with force feedback sticks). The plane did not have adjustable H-Stab, but I guess that, as a good testbed, some Avro's could have it installed (like Bristol Fighter, Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter, SE5a or RE8). Anyways, many WW1 were slightly tail heavy and had a tendency to climb.
So, this can be a good solution to have her fly on level. Once you modify the trim section, you can also add some Autopilot settings, so she will fly hands off the stick.

BTW: try some aerobatics or a spin recovery. JohnC made some excellent job while tuning the FD and personally I am very happy with the results.

L.

[Roger]

Thanks for the info Lucas! One other thing I noticed is that when the pilot and pupil are scanning the horizon, at the switch from maximum right there is a twitch, most notable with the pupil's head. Not a biggie but I would like to see it fixed.
Like the silver doped version in the add-on texture pack:applause:

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/08/08/LoMvT.jpg

[lucas81]

Thanks, Roger. We will nail it. That silver one is lovely and was inspired by the old Air Fix model box art :)
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If you will have any paint requests, please let us know. Like I wrote before, there are some interesting ones to be done from around the world.

Regards!

Edit: The silver-doped civilian G-ABAA from the extra skinpack is exhibited in museum in Manchester :)

[Bomber_12th]

Beautiful work on this one, Stiz and Lucas! I look forward to purchasing it soon.

I've always liked the lines of the Avro 504K. There are some great stories of the guys operating them out in the desert, where some of their past-time was spent filling the aircraft with just a trace of fuel, starting them up, and letting them take off on their own, hopping into the air for a distance and then settling back down as the engine became starved of fuel - much like you would with a rubber-band powered balsa wood airplane. There is so much wing area, and being so stable and so light, they're essentially kites.

[wombat666]

Well done stitz!
A true classic and one with great 'repaint potential'.
Purchased and about to give her a whirl.
:triumphant:

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Out-Bloody-Standing!

[T6flyer]

Am going to buy this, as A2A were wonderful to us with our Museum Simulator in supplying the Anson (as we have one of only three airworthy) and also that 504s flew over the local area in the 1920s and 30s with the Cornwall Aviation Company, who operated bright red 504s. Be another worthy addition and one that has a link to the past as we are soon to have a display in the hangar relating to this company.

Cheers,

Martin
www.classicairforce.com (http://www.classicairforce.com)

[lucas81]

Martin,

is there a chance that you have some photos of Avro 504's from the Cornwall Aviation Company ? I only have a color profile of G-EBIZ and I am not sure what's written on the fuselage.
There is "The Cornwall Aviation Co Ltd. And below that one there is something else". Could you please give some advice/pictures and I will make it or any other ones ?

Thank you for your kind words!

Lucas

[dhasdell]

I have a dim memory that some had the word "Helston" there.

http://mail.afleetingpeace.org/index.php/14-business-and-pleasure/156-the-aerial-circuses G-EBSE

[lucas81]

St. Austell was written below Cornwall Aviation Ltd.

Found some nice postcards/photos over the internet. Looks like the paint was changing. One version has a silver engine cowling, then it becomes red. The planes were clear dope painted from below.

[lucas81]

Ooooh! Something red has just been seen over Duxford! Is that a Cornwall Aviation Ltd. plane ? Guess, that yes :)

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Is should upload it today.

L.

[lucas81]

The scheme has been uploaded to SOH and Avsim. It should be up.

[dhasdell]

St. Austell was written below Cornwall Aviation Ltd.

Ah yes. I was close though!

[RobM]

Just a note for those like me with joysticks with strong springs, and find themselves having to hold the stick constantly
forward to keep the 504's nose down, but who aren't certain what to change in the .cgf folder for pitch control, if you're
already using the helitrim function to provide pitch trim in helicopters, it works fine in the 504 too.

Just add the helitrim's gauge line to the "[Vcockpit00]" section in the 504's .panel folder, immediately after gauge01,
and number the helitrim's gauge line to gauge02.

I didn't bother trying to add the helitrim's pitch angle display window.

You won't get complete hands off auto pilot trim control, but it's easy to add, and gives decent pitch control.

Just a suggestion that works for me.

Thanks - Rob

[stiz]

Glad you guys are enjoying it!!

Paintkit is now available as well :)

http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=118&t=41639

[lucas81]

Another one, just uploaded to SOH. Estonian Air Force, early 20's.

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[YoYo]

If You are user of Accu Feel remember - check Open Cocpit option.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad52/rafikst/Avro%20504k/Screenshot271640_zpse7d0a7b2.jpg~original

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad52/rafikst/Avro%20504k/Screenshot222431_zpse44ed361.jpg~original

[T6flyer]

Loving it...and loving the way it flies. Would have thought that is was hands on flying all of the time being a somewhat very vintage aeroplane and a trainer to boot too. Not going to change anything on mine as then keeps it nice and period and somewhat authentic. If all aeroplanes flew the same, or were easy, then personally can't see the point of it all. Take my hat off to everyone involved. Many, many thanks.

Martin

[hairyspin]

Loving it...and loving the way it flies. ... If all aeroplanes flew the same, or were easy, then personally can't see the point of it all.

+1. That's what makes different aircraft interesting.

[lucas81]

Thank you, Gents!

Spanish AF scheme incoming! Just uploaded it to SOH. Should be on Avsim, too.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9278202/Planes/Avro%20504/2014-8-10_15-48-7-449.jpg

[big-mike]

Just a note for those like me with joysticks with strong springs, and find themselves having to hold the stick constantly
forward to keep the 504's nose down, but who aren't certain what to change in the .cgf folder for pitch control, if you're
already using the helitrim function to provide pitch trim in helicopters, it works fine in the 504 too.

Just add the helitrim's gauge line to the "[Vcockpit00]" section in the 504's .panel folder, immediately after gauge01,
and number the helitrim's gauge line to gauge02.

I didn't bother trying to add the helitrim's pitch angle display window.

You won't get complete hands off auto pilot trim control, but it's easy to add, and gives decent pitch control.

Just a suggestion that works for me.

Thanks - Rob

Rob,where can i find this helitrim gauge?
Mike

[lucas81]

Check the PM, BigMike. Avro engineers sent you some advices ;)

L.

[big-mike]

Check the PM, BigMike. Avro engineers sent you some advices ;)

L.

Thank you,Lukas.
Still no luck,cannot keep the hight.
Mike

[big-mike]

It works---i made something wrong.
Mike

[lucas81]

Glad you have sorted it out!

L.

[T6flyer]

Having a wonderful time, trying to keep straight and level and on course.......Thank you very much indeed!

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/T6flyer/VFR_706.jpg (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/T6flyer/media/VFR_706.jpg.html)

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/T6flyer/VFR_700.jpg (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/T6flyer/media/VFR_700.jpg.html)

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/T6flyer/VFR_704.jpg (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/T6flyer/media/VFR_704.jpg.html)

Bet the local St. Austell scenery has changed a lot over the last 80 years (China Clay works) since Percy Phillips flew the real 504 over it.

Happy Landings,

Martin

[joe bob]

Just out of historical curiosity, what did the RAF need float plane 504's for?
What role did the silver 504s have in egypt?

[RobM]

Glad you have sorted it out!

L.

Sorry I've been away for the weekend.

Ah, so that's what you need to change. Learn something new every day. And this seems to works better.

So attention Roger, you can take off my post about the helitrim gauge if you want.

Thanks loads djwaglik!- Rob

ps: if still interested, the helitrim gauge is over at the avsim library under file name helitrim.zip

[Penz]

What role did the silver 504s have in egypt?
Posing for Airfix box art! :jump:

[lucas81]

Thank you very much, Martin! The screenshots are gorgeus!

If you will approach on some Avro 504 scheme which could be interesting to recreate and there will be enough sources (like: this plane was dark blue, or something, together with some photos), I will try to create it.
Right now I finished Spanish AF skin and I am going to paint some Portuguese. Yoyo is going to create a Polish one. Then, maybe I will paint the Zep hunter skin from one of the Home Defence squadrons. On of the survivors is carrying such one, so it will be easy to to.
Then I may visit South America and paint Chilean, Brazilian and Argentinian schemes. There is also some nice Australian scheme (dark green with white logo AVRO painted on the fuselage), though with different engine, but well...

Lucas

[lucas81]

Just out of historical curiosity, what did the RAF need float plane 504's for?
What role did the silver 504s have in egypt?

She could be used as a trainer to teach the student how to operate a float plane before he'd try something bigger. Some could be used for a close recon.
Egypt was under British protectorate until 1922 when the country got independence. But still, the British influences were strong and if I am not wrong, there were still some RAF bases in Nile delta until Egypt created it's own AF in the 30's.

Lucas

[big-mike]

Sorry I've been away for the weekend.

Ah, so that's what you need to change. Learn something new every day. And this seems to works better.

So attention Roger, you can take off my post about the helitrim gauge if you want.

Thanks loads djwaglik!- Rob

ps: if still interested, the helitrim gauge is over at the avsim library under file name helitrim.zip

Thank you,Rob.
Mike

[lucas81]

:D

http://modellbygge.ifokus.se/Sites/4cf97412-2f52-41a4-bee0-a419c67ca1c1/Avro%20504K.jpg

[Penz]

:encouragement:

[joe bob]

I keep forgetting that the Coastal command was RAF not Navy
What I was wondering about Egypt though was why there were training aircraft there. was it a squadron hack, or did they train other countries pilots there?

[lucas81]

That could be a liaison plane, a trainer for a newcomers or just a recon plane. Those are my thoughts.

[YoYo]

Is fuel gauge here? :)

[stiz]

I keep forgetting that the Coastal command was RAF not Navy
What I was wondering about Egypt though was why there were training aircraft there. was it a squadron hack, or did they train other countries pilots there?


Acutally the coastal command didnt really exist in ww1, it was the navy's responsibility, who used boats/ships/airships and the RNAS (Royal Navy Air Service) used planes. It wasnt till 1918 when all the air services were formed under the "RAF", although the navy kepted a small service and called it the fleet air arm :)



Is fuel gauge here?

The jury is out on if it even had one, the original 1918 one thats still flown by the shuttleworth collection doesnt have one, but theres 1 reference were ones been added. So one might be added in the 1.1 patch, as well as a fix for the twitchy pilots and anything else that crops up.

[Bomber_12th]

For those interested, here is an alternative blip switch gauge. This is the same file as I've provided before (such as for use with the Classic Wings Camel (which it has since been included with)).

Included are instructions for installing it into the AF Avro 504K. This alternative blip switch functions more closely to that of the real thing, as with the real thing, the blip switch will only stay on as long as you hold the key down, and the engine will 'reignite' as soon as you release the key (so long as the RPM's stay high enough before you release the switch). The function is tied to the primer lever animation, providing the spring-like function to the blip switch. You will need to assign a key to the "Primer (lock)", and set the 'repeat' bar to the far right. I have this function assigned to a key on the top of my joystick, which falls right in the region of my thumb. Adding this will not interfere at all with the stock product's blip switch code.

The amount of use that the blip switch gets is one of the greatest misconceptions about rotary engine operation. The blip switch is only there for use in landing and ground operation, as most all rotary engines, save for a few, have fairly standard throttles. With the real engines, it requires various mixture inputs with any great throttle input, and if you don't get it right, the engine will quit, and you might not be able to get the engine re-started again. The blip switch is provided so that when decreasing speed on landing, the pilot doesn't have to be fiddling with the throttle and mixture positioning on approach, with the risk of losing the engine in doing so. The practice with most rotaries on approach to landing is to throttle down to half-power, and then use the blip switch to control the speed down to landing (this has sometimes been referred to as an art form). You cannot use the blip switch with the engine much above half-power, as you will risk serious damage to the engine.

[T6flyer]

Had a very interesting afternoon, flying a formation of three 504s.....made me think ALL the time what with trying to keep station. Really enjoying it now.......

Cheers,

Martin

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/T6flyer/VFR_721.jpg (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/T6flyer/media/VFR_721.jpg.html)

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/T6flyer/VFR_708.jpg (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/T6flyer/media/VFR_708.jpg.html)

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/T6flyer/VFR_710.jpg (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/T6flyer/media/VFR_710.jpg.html)

[YoYo]

On floats:

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad52/rafikst/Avro%20504k/Screenshot100983_zps3cece44b.jpg~original

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad52/rafikst/Avro%20504k/Screenshot119502_zps6e70d7c8.jpg~original

[Roger]

Thanks for reminding me about PUCK. Is it the freeware version?

[lucas81]

Puck has never been a payware and there is only one, freeware version released about 6 years ago.
And hopefully in this week we will release a Hamble aerodorme for Avro. Same - a freeware, independent package.

original photo:

http://www.doghousecrafts.co.uk/handdaf/ham/hamav.jpg

[YoYo]

Thanks for reminding me about PUCK. Is it the freeware version?

No (it was and its a freeware), and good airplane (historic) for PUCK (EPCK on Avsim: http://library.avsim.net/search.php?SearchTerm=puck&CatID=fsxscen&Go=Search ) is Lublin R.XIIIter ( http://library.avsim.net/search.php?SearchTerm=Lublin+R.XIII&CatID=fsxac&Go=Search ).

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fPxJcK-Lnqg/UIgq4xgQ37I/AAAAAAAAC8s/o_vISnU3Rbw/s1600/Lublin%2BR-XIII%2BHydro.jpg

Avro 504 it can be ; ).

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad52/rafikst/Avro%20504k/Screenshot40659_zps869b0576.jpg~original

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad52/rafikst/Avro%20504k/Avro504k_6_zpsb7e79e37.jpg~original

[lucas81]

OK, Hamble scenery almost done. We'd have a look into it tomorrow and if evething will be fine, we will upload it to SOH and other FS services.

Lucas

[stiz]

And heres said scenery :)

Its a small and basic scenery that represents the Avro Factory at Hamble. It was used as one of the main production factory's until 1919/1920 when they moved main production to the Manchester site. This is also before the north airfield was built, so theres no point asking where that is as it wasn't built yet :)

Features full seasonal textures, autogen for the woods and a float plane parking spot by the water.

Works with FTX global + vector and Ian Ps North airfield scenery

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/Stiz987/2014-8-13_9-42-7-746.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/Stiz987/2014-8-13_9-39-42-163.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34537696/AvroFactory_Hamble.zip

This is a free package, and the AF Avro 504k aircraft isnt required, though highly recommend, will upload it to SOH later today.

[Pips]

If it has two wings I'll buy it!

[lucas81]

Just made a Portuguese scheme and uploaded to SOH and Avsim.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9278202/Planes/Avro%20504/2014-8-17_20-58-37-128.jpg

Lucas

[lucas81]

And one from the Turkish AF:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9278202/Planes/Avro%20504/2014-8-19_0-18-38-228.jpg

Lucas

[Roger]

Thanks Lucas!

[joe bob]

At first I was amazed that I had never learned about this long serving aircraft, now it seems to be popping up everywhere. I was reading about the Glider Regiment last night and what should pop up but the 504 as a glider tug for glider training flights. One sentence in the description can be interpreted in two different ways. When describing an exercise they mention 2 Avro 504s towing 4 gliders. I don't know if they meant at once or not but still impressive however you look at it.

[lucas81]

Another one coming soon. The Soviet copy of Avro 504, named U-1 and nicknamed 'Avrushka'.
This one is from 1929 and has a "The Delegate" painted on the fuselage.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9278202/Planes/Avro%20504/2014-8-24_23-33-21-638.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9278202/Planes/Avro%20504/2014-8-24_23-33-3-741.jpg

Lucas