Paint Schemes MilViz F-4 Phantom

[stovall]

Thought I would start a thread that details the paint schemes for the upcoming Milviz F-4 Phantom. Here is one for the VFMA-321 aircraft 5900 with sim pics and one of the real thing. Got lucky and found the actual numbers of the paint colors for this beauty.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/VFMA-3215900A_zpsa70f3290.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/VFMA-3215900A_zpsa70f3290.jpg.html)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/VFMA-3215900B_zps43f8e0fa.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/VFMA-3215900B_zps43f8e0fa.jpg.html)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/VMFA-3215900_zps6939e762.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/VMFA-3215900_zps6939e762.jpg.html)

[delta_lima]

Great thread, great paint!

'321 is one of my favourite Marine unit schemes. Their late Crusader scheme is gorgeous (thankfully done by Dave Q for the AS/V model) ....

And of course, all the Phantom schemes are very smart - from the early Phantom days ... (which was not that early, 1973 - but still the first reserve USMC unit to transition to Phantoms) ...

9468

right through to the end, as seen here on your great representation of BuNo 5900 / Modex 12.

They had some great transition paints in between, too - ones that apart from the Navy's VF-74, I think were unique to the USMC ...

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_f8ldizutzFw/S1iP_MYLVQI/AAAAAAAADfg/h5GUqab7fYo/s800/151406%20F-4N%20VMFA-321%20MG6%20Andrews%2028jul79%20Eugene%20L%20Zorn% 20PMC.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_f8ldizutzFw/S1iP_I1t62I/AAAAAAAADfo/ctCKUJGiK6Y/s800/151511%20F-4N%20VMFA-321%20MG2%20Andrews%2012apr80%20Robert%20L.%20Burn s%20PMC.jpg

a bit worn, but well loved Phantoms nonetheless ...

Great job, Tom - looking forward to whatever you, Skyhawk, and anyone else has cooking in the in their paint pots ...:biggrin-new:

dl

[MDIvey]

This would be a good one for your Tom:jump:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/0676814/L/

Matt

[Skyhawk18]

Excellent work Tom! :eagerness:

[mirage3]

I have in progress a paint for the milviz phantom, 32nd TFS USAF and i will finish it on the next weeks. to see my any other repaint: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=88124 and

[mirage3]

I have in progress a paint for the milviz phantom, 32nd TFS USAF and i will finish it on the next weeks. to see my any other repaint: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=88124 andhttp://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=78371

cheers

[roger-wilco-66]

Your work is top notch, Tom!

Any chance to see the following Phantoms?


1. The one Robin Olds was flying in 'nam:

http://www.markstyling.com/usaf_f4s/zF-4.cu.18x.jpg
http://www.topgunchen.com/doc_img/album/20080209-973-1-3.jpg


2. One of the versions Randy Cunningham and Will Driscoll, the Mig-Killers, flew:

http://www.vaq136.com/migaces/

Cheers,
Mark

[Skyhawk18]

Your work is top notch, Tom!

Any chance to see the following Phantoms?


1. The one Robin Olds was flying in 'nam:

http://www.markstyling.com/usaf_f4s/zF-4.cu.18x.jpg
http://www.topgunchen.com/doc_img/album/20080209-973-1-3.jpg


2. One of the versions Randy Cunningham and Will Driscoll, the Mig-Killers, flew:

http://www.vaq136.com/migaces/

Cheers,
Mark


Cunningham/Driscoll's F-4J is already done :)

http://www.gunnarvm.com/F4J/19.jpg

[roger-wilco-66]

Ahh, Skyhawk, applause, that looks great!
Can't wait for the release!

Cheers,
Mark

[stovall]

Your work is top notch, Tom!

Any chance to see the following Phantoms?


1. The one Robin Olds was flying in 'nam:

http://www.markstyling.com/usaf_f4s/zF-4.cu.18x.jpg
http://www.topgunchen.com/doc_img/album/20080209-973-1-3.jpg

Cheers,
Mark

Sure can give Robin Olds aircraft a good try. Ok - Next project.

[roger-wilco-66]

:ernaehrung004:

Cheers!
Mark

[stovall]

First look at Robin Olds F-4.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/RobinOldsF-4A_zps030e6e80.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/RobinOldsF-4A_zps030e6e80.jpg.html)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/RobinOldsF-4B_zpsd56ffa31.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/RobinOldsF-4B_zpsd56ffa31.jpg.html)

[Dimus]

Wasn't Olds' Phantom a D model? Although Tom's paint is quite good, that long black false radome on the E does not look right.

Maybe it would look better on the short nose J/S model even without the chin sensor.

[gray eagle]

Wasn't Olds' Phantom a D model? Although Tom's paint is quite good, that long black false radome on the E does not look right.

Maybe it would look better on the short nose J/S model even without the chin sensor.

My sources claims he drove an F-4C.

http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/4-may-1967/


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Olds-1.jpg/1280px-Olds-1.jpg

Robin Olds beside F-4C Phantom II Scat XXVII (1966-1967).

[skyhawka4m]

64-0829 was a C model

[stovall]

Yep he drove a C model but that isn't an option with the upcoming MilViz Phantom. I will see what it looks like on the J/S model. Just tried to fill a request for Robin Old's paint scheme. I see there is a thread for a possible B model from SimWorks Studios coming in the future.

[vora]

Yep he drove a C model but that isn't an option with the upcoming MilViz Phantom. I will see what it looks like on the J/S model. Just tried to fill a request for Robin Old's paint scheme. I see there is a thread for a possible B model from SimWorks Studios coming in the future.
I guess that's a case of "you have to work with you've got". An F-4E can barrel-roll just as good, just remember to "forget" the M61 ammo
:icon31::pop4:

[Dimus]

I guess you're right, it was a C. Always mixed those two up, they look much the same.

[roger-wilco-66]

Anyhow, the repaint looks phan-tastic! Thanks, Tom!


Cheers,
Mark

[MDIvey]

Just noticed the news on MV facebook page that the MV Phantom sale page (for the beta version) is up so I've ordered mine...yum

Matt

[YoYo]

Just noticed the news on MV facebook page that the MV Phantom sale page (for the beta version) is up so I've ordered mine...yum

Matt


http://s25.postimg.org/teera2lf3/Chomik_Image.gif

Yep, here: http://milviz.com/fs/item.php?id=F-4E !

[stovall]

Thanks Yo Yo and Matt for the heads up. Got mine ordered as well.

[dhazelgrove]

The lag on download links is a bit of a shame.

Dave

[skyhawka4m]

Can you show what you get for the 40 bucks? How long will this offer be open? money is tight for a little for me here.

[SH427]

My question is if purchasing the beta gets you the full product on release. I'd love to drop 40 bucks but of I'm gonna have to buy it again I'll just wait

[Dimus]

My question is if purchasing the beta gets you the full product on release. I'd love to drop 40 bucks but of I'm gonna have to buy it again I'll just wait

From the Milviz page:
"Purchase of this product at this time will allow you to get the full and final product free at the time of release. That would be for either the V2 or the FSX version (not both)."

[odourboy]

Order placed! This one has been on my 'buy' list every since I first heard about it. Looking forward to all the great liveries everybody's been toiling away at. :jump:

[SH427]

Sweet, now I gotta budget that out

[ST0RM]

I'll wait until its TacPack capable and out of beta, then pull the trigger.

Ill await the reviews from you guys too.

[RobM]

For those that already have, how hard/easy is it to start, fly, and land this bird? Is there a user manual included
with the beta, or is the current download manual the one to puzzle through?

Also, I notice there's two prices on the Milviz product page, one for the beta, and another higher price saying
"not available". Does anyone know if the higher price is going to be the post-beta price? If so, I'll almost certainly
buy sooner than later.

Or is the higher price just for a later combined format package, like FSX/P3Dv2?

Thanks - Rob

[roger-wilco-66]

Placed the order, now I can't wait to fly this bird....


Cheers,
Mark

[Dumonceau]

Topped up the paypal account so I can finally fly an FSX native Phantom...

[dhazelgrove]

Has anyone been given a download link yet?

Dave

[ak416]

Has anyone been given a download link yet?

Dave
Facebook page says 72 hours minimum, so I wouldnt count on it. Very strange, first time Ive seen a 3 day wait on a product that is delivered digitally.

[bully707]

Hmmm...I went ahead anyways and bought it.
When I get back from reserve duty in the Air Force, I hope I can find the time to fly her....finally and see how she evolves.:encouragement:

[stovall]

Heard from Milviz and the beta F-4E has arrived. The J/S model is to follow. Plenty to do checking things out with regards to painting. She flies just fine but as that is not my expertise, I defer to those in the know. :jump:

[henrystreet]

The manuals are available from a link on the product page. They are, as Milviz said previously, the real world Air Force manuals.

[Dumonceau]

Anyone having problems getting the loadout manager or the radar to work?

I'm asking this here because I'm waiting for access to the support forums.

Dumonceau

[stovall]

Yep, mine seems to be stuck on CLEAN.

[hschuit]

Yep, mine seems to be stuck on CLEAN.

Did you try to drag and drop the items?

1. Click an item in the payload list
2. Drag it to the aircraft
3. Drop it on the desired station

Got quite a few Q's myself like where is the dragchute, nozzles animation/indicator not working properly, tailhook sound error, AoA bullseye seems off, odd texture mapping on the right side elevator pivot etc. so I hope they let me in to the support forum soon.

[dhazelgrove]

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/06/28/YK6T.jpg

Dave

[Dumonceau]

Henk,

I'll try that Immediately!

Thanks for this! you are, as they say in my hometown "nen toffe gast"!! :D

Dumonceau

[stovall]

Thanks hschuit, that worked perfectly. Now to check out more things.

[Ian Warren]

The manuals are available from a link on the product page. They are, as Milviz said previously, the real world Air Force manuals.
:adoration:One aircraft I do have the manual set for , put my elbow on the cockpit ledge .... hang on! winter here ... let me close the cockpit, arrr that's better, now where were we, afterburner operation :encouragement:

I really do like the idea of playing and waiting for build and updates, after a little read I got my 'SPOOKY' on the USS Enterprise, hooked cooked and smooth, tho first time in I was a little fast, but TEST PILOT :cool:

[findus]

The drag chute handle is at the edge of the left panel. I haven´t used it, so I can not tell you if it works ;-)

[hschuit]

The drag chute handle is at the edge of the left panel. I haven´t used it, so I can not tell you if it works ;-)

Well, it does not work - this has been reported in the MV support forum.

[Naruto-kun]

Keep in mind folks this product is still in development.

[hschuit]

Keep in mind folks this product is still in development.
That is exactly what I do. Colin made a list of what should work and what not, so if I encounter something which seems broken and is not on his list I report it to the MV testers/support forum.

[Alpha Two Zero]

Hi,
Got mine this morning and what a beast she is. When I was reading the running spec on this I was in 2 minds in what to do, shall I or shall I just pass, Oh well that is history now because she flies great. FPS is great as well. I have my FPS locked at 33 and this never dropped pass 32/31. I purchased a couple of months back the Thrustmaster Warthog stick and with this and the F4 this is one nice package. So very happy in THANK YOU Milviz. Timm

http://i.imgur.com/86hQHzW.jpg

[Dumonceau]

Is there anyone who's done a German JG-71 norm91 paint for this bird??? :jump:

D.

[stovall]

Here is the F-4E from the 53rd FW. She hopefully is still flying today. Got some pic of her at an airshow.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4E53rdFWa_zps9da4ff05.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4E53rdFWa_zps9da4ff05.jpg.html)

(http://)http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4E53rdFWc_zpsc32edcd6.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4E53rdFWc_zpsc32edcd6.jpg.html)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4E53rdFWb_zpsfa0e5f8e.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4E53rdFWb_zpsfa0e5f8e.jpg.html)

[Dumonceau]

Tom,

That is magnificent! Would you mind sharing it???

Cheers,

Dumonceau

[Skyhawk18]

Great job Tom! :applouse:

[stovall]

Here is a F-4E Phantom from the Israeli Air Force 6 Day War period.

(http://)http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4DE201Sq1_zps439e9d36.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4DE201Sq1_zps439e9d36.jpg.html)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4DE201Sq2_zpsfb761dc4.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4DE201Sq2_zpsfb761dc4.jpg.html)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4DE201Sq3_zps1e2c1bea.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4DE201Sq3_zps1e2c1bea.jpg.html)

[SeanTK]

Here is a F-4E Phantom from the Israeli Air Force 6 Day War period.

(http://)http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4DE201Sq1_zps439e9d36.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4DE201Sq1_zps439e9d36.jpg.html)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4DE201Sq2_zpsfb761dc4.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4DE201Sq2_zpsfb761dc4.jpg.html)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4DE201Sq3_zps1e2c1bea.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4DE201Sq3_zps1e2c1bea.jpg.html)


Looking forward to this livery!

[stovall]

One more Israeli F-4E from the 119 Squadron. (Bat Squadron)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4BatSqd1_zps0fac06ec.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4BatSqd1_zps0fac06ec.jpg.html)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4BatSqd2_zpsa8c8abbc.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4BatSqd2_zpsa8c8abbc.jpg.html)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4BatSqd3_zps8e4f2b9a.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4BatSqd3_zps8e4f2b9a.jpg.html)

[PRB]

Beautiful, Tom!

[ZsoltB]

Great work,but what is the name Aim-9J texture????
I appear as brown...

Zsolt

[stovall]

Zolt, I think you mean the right pylon is brown and should be green. The change has already been made. Several other changes made also including the base of the tail to match the color each side. Thanks for the comment. Hope that is what you meant.

[ZsoltB]

Zolt, I think you mean the right pylon is brown and should be green. The change has already been made. Several other changes made also including the base of the tail to match the color each side. Thanks for the comment. Hope that is what you meant.

Thanks Mate!

:ernaehrung004:

[stovall]

Couldn't help myself. Here is 153009 which I know was a B model but here it is as a J. Thought it was a cool paint scheme.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4JVF-51a_zps31833d8c.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4JVF-51a_zps31833d8c.jpg.html)

(http://)http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4JVF-51b_zpsc5f7a7e6.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4JVF-51b_zpsc5f7a7e6.jpg.html)

[Ian Warren]

I reraly like the Ole "I could not help myself" :adoration: Who would not want that scheme .. looks superb :ghost:

[Skyhawk18]

Couldn't help myself. Here is 153009 which I know was a B model but here it is as a J. Thought it was a cool paint scheme.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4JVF-51a_zps31833d8c.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4JVF-51a_zps31833d8c.jpg.html)

(http://)http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/F-4JVF-51b_zpsc5f7a7e6.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/F-4JVF-51b_zpsc5f7a7e6.jpg.html)


Great work Tom! :applause:

There is a tiny line surrounding the windshield that is not painted black. You will find that line at the bottom of the #2 texture plate (below the canopy texture) :adoration:

[stovall]

Thanks Skyhawk18, learn something new with every paint. Correction on the way. Much appreciated.

[Dumonceau]

Lawd have mercy!! Your paints are truly stellar Tom!!!

Dumonceau

[FlKp21_Tabo]

In recognition for his splendid work to our Masterpainter Stovall
and for all the other Phans of the F-4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDWevnyRtjc

Ubon 1967 - color film but without sound
The opportunity to see the Phantom in action with a few well known pilots :
Col. Robin Olds
Cap. Richard M. Pascoe
Maj. William L. Kirk
Maj. Philip P. Combie
and many more

and a 555th TFS plane at Udorn, 1972.

[stovall]

Per requested by Tabo, Capt. Steve Ritchie and Capt. Chuck Bellevue F-4E Phantom after their second kill. 67-0362.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/SteveRitchieA_zps612e7b73.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/SteveRitchieA_zps612e7b73.jpg.html)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/SteveRitchieB_zpsc8504ceb.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/SteveRitchieB_zpsc8504ceb.jpg.html)

And just for good measure, Capt. Steve Ritchie and Capt. Chuck Bellevue F-4E Phantom Triple Nickel after their fifth Kill. 67-0463.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/TripleNickelA_zps298376c1.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/TripleNickelA_zps298376c1.jpg.html)

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/TripleNickelB_zpsfcf35382.jpg (http://s572.photobucket.com/user/tlstovall/media/TripleNickelB_zpsfcf35382.jpg.html)

[Ian Warren]

Looking Superb Tom :cool: WOLFPACK !

[Gene K]

Looking Superb Tom :cool: WOLFPACK !

Yes! :applause:

However, the long "radome" on the E model is plain egregious. Pretty shortsighted of the developers to not include the bulk of Phantoms (the B/N, C, and D models) ... they obviously have the basis, shapewise, with the J.

Further as regards the developers: I hope they understand that the F-4 hardly ever (ever!) flew without inboard pylons (they actually helped stabilize the airplane); and that the cockpit occupants strangely look like they are doing a high G maneuver what with their heads pressed back against the seats!

(Yes, I appreciate it's a Beta).

Gene K

[Katoun]

Hi Gene,

The reason for doing the E was that, at the time we started, someone was working on the D. Now that they are apparently no longer doing so, another team is doing something similar to that. So we are doing the S, which has pretty much the same systems as the E, not least of which is the slats and their related systems.

On the subject of the pylons, so far, the three (3) actual, real life pilots working with us on the project haven't said a word about the inboard pylons being necessary for stability (or anything else for that matter) so, if you don't mind, please locate the information about that and send it along. We would be very interested in seeing that.

Next, the pilots heads (and their bodies) are not, at this time, animated or anything but positioned. All that will happen during the process and is, to us anyway, less important to get right (now) than dealing with the systems. (slats, A0A and others)


Thank you for your comments.

Kat.

[skyhawka4m]

Hi Gene,

The reason for doing the E was that, at the time we started, A2A was working on the D. Now that they are no longer doing so, another team is doing something similar to that.
Kat.


?????? they aren't doing the D model now? that sucks! Was really looking forward to that model so many ANG and AFRES aircraft......:banghead:

[Katoun]

I think that I have mispoke. I have edited my post above. I should not (ever) speak for other devs. I do believe, however, that they did say it was on hold... for some time.

[delta_lima]

What about the naval J model?

At least one big-nose Phantom, please. Even if it's got the same E VC. Dollars to doughnuts - if MV only do the E, you'll have 1/5 of the all the potential sales. Take a look at all the paint previews - do the math. I totally get the E is an important domestic and export model. But MV will score big-time if they include a J.

With a J, you have a good number of the naval Phantoms, and in light of the D being canned, could likely generate repaint interest for fictional C/D paints, for want of a similar model.

Why does it matter that Jamal is working on a B? There's enough room in this hobby for well modeled Phantoms of differing types from different development houses. How many friggin' same-model B737, C172, Airbus and Mustang payware offerings are out there ...

dl

[odourboy]

?????? they aren't doing the D model now? that sucks! Was really looking forward to that model so many ANG and AFRES aircraft......:banghead:
Scott said this about 18 months ago regarding their Phantom:

We took a bunch of test flights in the Collings Foundation Phantom to use for source to create the Accu-Sim Phantom. However, we ended up developing Accu-Sim deeper since those flights for propeller based aircraft.

We have two GA props in development now, that are coming along very nicely. Once these are beta, we'll then put both feet into the F104. This is the precursor to the Phantom. So, the Phantom is a ways off at best. But, the 104 will hopefully make the wait easier, because it will be out of this world.

Scott.

Then about 8 months ago he said:

We are not giving up on Warbirds - they are in our blood, but we're in a building process again and so far, it's been a necessary move for us to learn and expand further.

However, the F-104 has been put on ice for the time being for two reasons:
1. Supersonic flight has opened an entire new chapter in aerodynamics
2. The J79 turbojet systems in the F-104's are a bit too complex to make as a first jet

Considering both of the above points, we started working on a new T-33 model and plan to take one up a test flight in the coming months.

If development continues, it would likely be completed in 2015 or later

So there you go! A nice T-33 in another year or two wouldn't be all bad! In the mean time, got the F-100D to look forward to. :ernaehrung004:

[Katoun]

What about the naval J model?

At least one big-nose Phantom, please. Even if it's got the same E VC. Dollars to doughnuts - if MV only do the E, you'll have 1/5 of the all the potential sales. Take a look at all the paint previews - do the math. I totally get the E is an important domestic and export model. But MV will score big-time if they include a J.

With a J, you have a good number of the naval Phantoms, and in light of the D being canned, could likely generate repaint interest for fictional C/D paints, for want of a similar model.

Why does it matter that Jamal is working on a B? There's enough room in this hobby for well modeled Phantoms of differing types from different development houses. How many friggin' same-model B737, C172, Airbus and Mustang payware offerings are out there ...

dl


We will be doing the S, which is the more advanced version of the J. Also used heavily by the Marines... We will be releasing the J external with the E (no VC) and then, later, the S with full on systems (and tacpack).

[bully707]

So...as a MV F-4E owner...will the J version be included in the next update to the F-4E Beta?
After seeing all these nice paints I would really like to fly the J, too...

[dhazelgrove]

So...as a MV F-4E owner...will the J version be included in the next update to the F-4E Beta?
After seeing all these nice paints I would really like to fly the J, too...

You could add the "J" model from the paintkit, if you have it.
It's not as complete as the "E", but it'll tide you over for a while.

The contents of the next beta - whenever it arrives - is still TBA.

Dave

[MDIvey]

Kat

You said the J model that comes with the E will not have a VC... I understand from that, it wont have a bespoke VC, but it will have the E cockpit installed... do I have that right? Just wanted to clarify that point.

Matt

[Naruto-kun]

Kat

You said the J model that comes with the E will not have a VC... I understand from that, it wont have a bespoke VC, but it will have the E cockpit installed... do I have that right? Just wanted to clarify that point.

Matt

There is a album on the FB page of a S cockpit in development.

[Katoun]

Hi,

The J will not be in the next build or, probably, the one after as it's not system critical.

It will use the E vc upon release.

Thank you

[expat]

Thanks for clarifying. As a USN/USMC fan that makes the Milviz F-4 "non-purchase critical" for me and I expect for much of your potential market.

[MDIvey]

Understand Kat

I bought the F4E beta ... and will no doubt buy the S when it becomes available. I am a little disappointed the J is taking so long to come along in the beta because I've seen how good it looks in the paint kit (and its no doubt even better now)... The short nosed Phantoms always had more appeal to me than the E... although I have to say it is growing on me. See if you can talk the Boss into expediting the inclusion of it into the Beta... I know I daren't ask:running:

Matt

[Katoun]

Hi,

I've talked to Colin about this and he said: "We'll finish the E, do the S and then, if we feel it's warranted, do the D. The J external will not be in the next build because that's going out, with luck, on the weekend. I'll see what I can do about getting it in for the build after that. No promises..."

I hope this answers your questions and concerns.

One thing I might add is that the Navy versions were not exported to the same extent and therefore, though you personally might feel that they would do better, we're not so sure about that.

Time will tell.

Thank you for your attention.

Kat.

[MDIvey]

Thanks Kat

The D would be most welcome.... Looking forward to rest

Matt

[delta_lima]

Relieved there is a naval big-nosed Phantom in the mix.

That said, I'd say indexing expected unit sales based solely upon how widely exported the real world model is simplistic and naïve. The following that American naval aircraft have in flight sims, for who knows what reason, a following far out of proportion to national boundaries. May sound a bit ethno-centric, and I'm a fiercely patriotic ex-Canadian Forces man - so this is not merely some Yankee waving the stars and stripes (no disrespect to my US friends).

It's a fact that post-war naval aviation is a very interesting sim experience, and the US's naval air arm was clearly the major global player during this period, and that's where a good percentage of the naval air interest lies, and with it, the repaint interest. The facts are borne out when looking at how Virtavia's A-4, Razbam's A-7s have been repainted - to say nothing of the repaint focus for the original Alphasim FS9 payware F-4.

Looking at it a different way, and focusing away from the naval variants - compare the C9 and the aforementioned Alphasim F-4s. Clearly, the C9 was more finely modeled, better textured, and just an all-round nicer model than the AS F-4. Yet I guarantee the latter outsold the C9 by at least 4:1. Why? the breadth of models, and the repaint potential that tapped into some pretty committed sim preferences.

I know - modeling, XML coding is complex - I get that. That said, I'll bet you'll get more bang for buck with more models than just a couple with full TacPac. TacPac'ers are gonna hate me, but that's ok. Even, as is planned, if the VCs are shared between the models, MV has an opportunity to do in 2014 with the Phantom what AS did in 2005 with their Phantom. Forgoing the C/D and RF models will leave money on the table far out of proportion to the modeling effort for those exterior models.

Glad the S appears to be in the mix. Even then, I'll only consider buying once it's fully available - none of this "buy now, maybe get it later" nonsense. The decision to buy unreservedly is a matter of at least some of those additional models. If my buyer's regret over the MV F-86 is anything to go by, (assuaged only by Gradyhappy's Fury repaints ) I'll proceed with caution. A Fury, or a D or K would have guaranteed it'd get flown 10 times more than it does, notwithstanding how lovely a model it is ... see a pattern, btw??)

Meanwhile, while MV wrings its hands over the obvious, I'm enjoying the current Iris, AS, and C9 models. Big bonus: it's good motorcycling weather ...

dl

[expat]

Well said dl.

[grog swiller]

Wow Delta Lima, those are some pretty strong comments considering that none of the USN variants were supposed to be built. One of them is even going to have the correct VC, which, for a good long time Milviz said would have the E VC because of the cost and time issues. I'd say we are fortunate to have a USN variant with the appropriate VC, at all.

If you're just going to continue to 'enjoy' the other USN models until Milviz makes what you demand, I have to say "what? are you kidding?" . The Alphasim and Iris F-4 VC's are a bad cartoon as compared to the Milviz F-4 VC.

[Katoun]

Doing the external models is a non-issue. Doing the VC's and all of the systems is a big issue.

We are discussing our next move but we're not wringing our hands.

[SH427]

You know, the thought crossed my mind that one of the minor physical differences betwixt the navy phantom model and the army early big nose f-4s is the pylons. There's probably more but honestly I'd cheat a little and paint a navy phantom as an early army model....

Edit: and by army I mean air force, obviously. I spend way too much time in the vintage department :D

[Katoun]

The J pylons are correct for Navy birds. (pointy instead of rounded)

Kat

[delta_lima]

1. I'm not "demanding" anything from MV.

2. What I am doing is make a case for why a broader model set makes business sense. That recommended broader model set includes models (C,D, RF) which largely are of no personal interest to me - yet will contribute to MV proportionately more than the modeling effort it will take (see point 4). So MV stands to gain, not me.

3. Myself and others have already both proposed and expressed satisfaction with the idea of "other models" apart from the E sharing VCs - we're already in agreement on that. If there happens to be a naval-specific VC - bonus - and kudos to MV.

4. If apparently MV considers said exterior models "a non-issue" - which I take to mean, "reasonably easy to model compared to the complexity of doing each model's unique VC" - which is fair, and completely understandable compromise - then we're all essentially on the same page.

I run a consulting product development & marketing practice where all day long I help clients wrestle with which products to invest in order to achieve the most financial return in their respective market. I wish the majority of those cases were as low-risk, straight forward, and with as much to gain as what MV faces here. Speaking completely sincerely, I believe they're sitting on a potential gold mine of FS addon revenue, which they fully deserve.

That's all I'll say on the business matter of all this - again, best of luck Kolin, Kat, et al. Looking forward to what comes out the other end ...

dl

[grog swiller]

Ok, maybe 'demanding' was too strong of a word. You're holding out until they make the variant you want, is what I could have said...which is absolutely your prerogative to do. :)

A far as you telling them what is good business sense, I believe they've already stated they don't have the money, coders, and time to make all the variants. Doing all that ISN'T good business sense from the Dev's point of view. The F-4E, just by itself, has been in development for almost two years, and is still not done (most likely due to recreating the vast complexity of systems people demand), and (I would suspect) they went for the open beta to get at least some portion of cash flow going.

It's no secret you don't get rich building models for this game/sim, and even when you take the models to new levels of realism, Devs still take a furious outlash from many because it's not exactly like the real plane. I think doing a redux of the Alphasim F-4 series at the level FS has gotten too, is just not feasible. Especially when so many simmers want it for cheap cheap cheap, and they want it like the real thing.

[Katoun]

Thank you Grog Swiller (I had to ask Colin what that meant!).

You are, in fact, correct.

However, we will do the D external and see what happens with it.

Thank you.

Kat

[wombat666]

Just to clarify the nuts and bolts of this discussion, remember, if a product is available that you must have, buy it, if not, don't.
Personally (Just me, myself!) I think the comparison between the Cloud 9 and Alphasim releases makes an excellent point, once again (IMNSHO) the sight of Cloud F4E Tombs painted in USN colors is laughable given the apparent wishes for 'accuracy', but when it comes down to it, this is not 'Real Life', it is a 'Simulation' (or as many regard it, a 'Game').
:triumphant:

[grog swiller]

You are welcome, Kat, but I would just like to get my hands on a finished F-4 of outstanding quality. You guys have said since the first announcement that you're doing an F-4E representative of the late 1960's early 1970's period. Which is fine, although my pref would be 1990's early 2000, lol. My preference is immaterial, though, I just would like an awesome F-4 to tinker with in FS, sooner than later.

I think you guys have been caught up in trying to please the "I want" crowd, and have diverted your resources away from what you initially said you were going to build. So, the end result is we are all going to get something later rather than sooner. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to have every variant, and I do understand you are trying to please potential customers. But, you guys have spread out thin resources away from the E model.

You are in between a rock and a hard place, unfortunately. You guys build outstanding models, but you can only build so many specific types at the current FS demand for realism. It seems there is a cadre of people here at SOH that think every model built should come with exactly what they want in it, but that's ridiculous since if you read what they want, all the wants are mostly different. It's not possible to please them all.





Thank you Grog Swiller (I had to ask Colin what that meant!).

You are, in fact, correct.

However, we will do the D external and see what happens with it.

Thank you.

Kat

[Katoun]

Fortunately, the people who do the models (and the paint) are not the same people who do the coding and programming of the aircraft.

So, for us to add a D model nose and burner petals is fairly simple.

The main problem I foresee is convincing Bernt to do the FDE for a model that has no VC (other than the aliased F-4E VC).

Oh well.

Kat.

[airattackimages]

Just chiming in to say I too am only interested in the Navy Phantom. Not to contribute to bad blood, just making it known that there are some of us out there. The USAF Phantoms never appealed to me all that much.

[Katoun]

Then it's a good thing that we will be doing the S. You cannot please everyone and it's not even worth trying to do so.

[odourboy]

Just chiming in to say I too am only interested in the Navy Phantom. Not to contribute to bad blood, just making it known that there are some of us out there. The USAF Phantoms never appealed to me all that much.

I'll chime in to say, I fully understand and shared your sentiment. But opted to purchase the F-4E beta anyway and have to say that even in it's current state, it is an extremely satisfying flying experience that's only going to improve.

[joe bob]

[QUOTE=wombat666;901640
the sight of Cloud F4E Tombs painted in USN colors is laughable given the apparent wishes for 'accuracy'[/QUOTE]

Just a side note. The USN repaint for the cloud 9 F-4E that I am familiar with was done by a fellow who flew them in real life. I thought I recognized his name and looked it up, he flew the B or J version in the USN during the Viet Nam era and shot down a Mig 19 in 1972 while a member of the squadron the repaint depicts. At the time the Cloud 9 Phantom was the best one going so I think he decided to roll with what was available.

[Gene K]

On the subject of the pylons, so far, the three (3) actual, real life pilots working with us on the project haven't said a word about the inboard pylons being necessary for stability (or anything else for that matter) so, if you don't mind, please locate the information about that and send it along.

First - I didn't say the pylons were necessary for stability ... I said, "(they actually helped stabilize the airplane)". They are, in effect, another set of fins; they have very little drag (no, I don't have the drag index at hand); and they were a chore to remove/put back on (no, I don't have a maintenance manual handy) ... so they stayed on almost always (yes, you can find exceptions as on Functional Check Flights or display birds).

Second - I defer to your three "real life pilots" ... their combined experience no doubt is greater than my fourteen years in the cockpit (C, D, E, slatted E).

Third - I'm old(er), obviously, and don't have the time or energy to "locate" the information" on the design of the pylons, sorry.

The (real) point I was unsuccessfully striving to make is that the developers should consider including an option to mount empty inboard pylons since that was how the airplane flew much of the time. Along those same lines, it's not as sexy as things that go boom, but peacetime training loads such as the SUU-20, SUU-21, and travel pods should be considered, in my humble opinion.

Great simulation of a great airplane - thanks!!

Gene K

[Mach3DS]

Gene, that's phabulous experience! The 3 people referred to are all ex drivers as well. I love hearing about the individual experiences from different guys, it really broadens the knowledge base for everyone. Thanks for sharing!

[MenendezDiego]

Gene,

I agree with you.

If you load fuel tanks, or any pod (I believe), the empty pylons appear, so there is a work around.

[Katoun]

Gene,

We do include the napalm tanks that are usually used for pilot pods though these ones do have fins. I will ask Colin about doing them without. Either way, they would be on both pylons.

For the other "weapons", it will not happen as we are already at our limit for exporting into the sim. I apologize. Perhaps, we will do a "weapons pack" that has these and other missing things, such as retarded bombs and others.

As for the stability issue, I will ask our other three pilots about this and see what they say, and, if true, then we will allow for it. Either way, necessary or not, this was never mentioned.

Please do not take offense as there is none intended. You should realize that, in our position, we get a lot of people claiming they are pilots or crew chiefs (never just a crew member or a mechanic) of this aircraft and that aircraft every single day. 99 times out of a 100, they are not what they claim to be. This is why we usually ask for proof of some kind. Most real world pilots or crew chiefs have no problem with that. It's important that we can prove it so that there's no backlash at us after the product is released.

That said, if you're interested, we would love to have you on the team as a tester. That would make Phour Phantom pilots. A nice even number. What will you say?

Thank you.

Kat.

[ColoKent]

Kat--

I bet you if you ask Colin to do travel pods, my name will be the first to come out of Colin's mouth...just sayin'!!!! I am "Mr. Travel Pod"...so if you can get Colin to do them, you're my hero!

Kent

[skyhawka4m]

Kat--

I bet you if you ask Colin to do travel pods, my name will be the first to come out of Colin's mouth...just sayin'!!!! I am "Mr. Travel Pod"...so if you can get Colin to do them, you're my hero!

Kent


travel pods would be awesome!

[MDIvey]

I was happy when I thought I was getting an E with an external J. The news of a fully developed S and the possibility of an external D... Hogs Heaven.

I'm really glad Milviz made a payware beta available because it means I can enjoy a great model now... I would imagine it might be some time before we can get our hands on the S and D... lotta work in all that.

Matt

[Gene K]

... [travel pods] would be on both pylons.

Appreciate the programming challenges, but "normal" load would be only one on the left pylon.


Perhaps, we will do a "weapons pack" ....

Maybe a "peacetime training pack" too?


we get a lot of people claiming they are pilots or crew chiefs ... every single day. ... 99 times out of a 100, they are not what they claim to be.

Funny (but not to your team, of course).


... would love to have you on the team as a tester.

Thanks Kat, I appreciate that offer, but I already have too many fun "obligations", such as grandkids and radio control flying. Besides, I'm semi-aged (got my wings in 1966!) and memory is a little skewed by now.:jaded:

Gene K

[Dumonceau]

Kat,

I've been trying to access both the Milviz forums and the site for about 30 minutes now. No joy.

I hope everything is ok?

Dumonceau

[Stickshaker]

I am enjoying the F-4E immensely, and I am grateful for any other model that will appear. Even if no extra models would be forthcoming this package would be worth its price for me.

[joe bob]

"normal" load would be only one on the left pylon.

Gene K

I have seen them with two, how else are two guys gonna get all those cheap trinkets back from a SEA deployment

[dhazelgrove]

Didn't the Luftwaffe once allow a belly tank to be converted to a flying bar?

Very popular at airshows at the time.

Dave

[bully707]

Just found 3 new (well...at least to me...) repaints of the MV F-4E:

Aegean Blue
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/bully707/FSX/fsscr002_zps63c2f176.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/bully707/FSX/fsscr003_zps71b42be4.jpg

Aegean Ghost
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/bully707/FSX/fsscr004_zpsd3405221.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/bully707/FSX/fsscr004a_zpsd8479665.jpg

The third repaint is in the next post...

[bully707]

Egyptian AF
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/bully707/FSX/fsscr000_zpsa9bc1a36.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/bully707/FSX/fsscr001_zps4eaab4fa.jpg

Here is the address of the blog I found them on, first shown in the Milvit F-4E support forum...

joelaars.blogspot.com

:wavey:

[DagR]

Just a side note. The USN repaint for the cloud 9 F-4E that I am familiar with was done by a fellow who flew them in real life. I thought I recognized his name and looked it up, he flew the B or J version in the USN during the Viet Nam era and shot down a Mig 19 in 1972 while a member of the squadron the repaint depicts. At the time the Cloud 9 Phantom was the best one going so I think he decided to roll with what was available.

Wrong! The repaint of the C9 F-4F in VF-161 Rock Rivers (Chargers) paint scheme was done by me! Henry "Black Bart" Bartholomay was on beta with me and he requested it. And yes, it was his MiG-killer I tried to recreate, an F-4B.

Best regards
Dag

[Chuck_Jodry-VJPL]

Its Brown Bart BTW , ask him why , He shot down the last Mig in Vietnam but got the nickname in a somewhat lesser moment of glory. . .

I sent him a copy to look over , with luck he still has his Thrustmaster plugged in

Post Script , Barts gone over to the dark side, running a mac and said he hasnt touched a pc in years .


Best CJ

[Dimus]

Thank you DagR!

Those guys with the Aegean/HAF colours beat me to it. Very nice work but I think they need some corrections in the roundels. The ones Gunnar had in the HAF Hill Gray camo that is included in the pack are more correct in size and colour imho.

[DagR]

Thank you DagR!

Those guys with the Aegean/HAF colours beat me to it. Very nice work but I think they need some corrections in the roundels. The ones Gunnar had in the HAF Hill Gray camo that is included in the pack are more correct in size and colour imho.

I agree, the HAF roundels are wrongly proportioned.


Best regards
Dag

[ak416]

Hey guys, just wondering if there were any paints around that anyone was willing to share? I just downloaded the ones posted above. I'm more than happy to wait until a later release, but thought I would ask here anyway as I wouldn't mind flying in a different livery for a change. Thanks :encouragement:

[flewpastu]

Still a WIP

Bill

[big-mike]

Looks great,Bill!
Mike

[flewpastu]

I know its not the right F4 but I like the sundowner colors, just havin fun

Bill

[Gene K]

Thought I would start a thread that details the paint schemes for the upcoming Milviz F-4 Phantom.

I'm really enjoying this thread, even if it's sometimes a little off topic to the original intent above.

.................................................. .................................................. .......................................

You have some absolutely beautiful paints, Tom ... so where can I find/download them (if you've made them available).

Thanks,

Gene K

[stovall]

Gene, many have been submitted to Milviz for release with the finished product. Those not used with the release will be posted for upload here or at Flightsim.com. Thanks for the comment.

[Gene K]

Those not used with the release will be posted for upload here or at Flightsim.com.
That's great ... sort of (the wait :dispirited:).

Gene K

[ak416]

Check your email guys, new build is out :encouragement:

[Naruto-kun]

And you might be in for a surprise if your speed drops below mach 1 in a turn.

[Dumonceau]

And you might be in for a surprise if your speed drops below mach 1 in a turn.

Indeed... The thing has become almost unflyable. I wonder what a driver like the late Brig.Gen. Robin Olds would have to say about that.

When I was young and still visiting airshows all over europe, I saw many F-4 demo's and these pilots turned HARD below mach 1 Full burner, but still below Mach 1. The German F-4F demo's were most impressive.

With the new version, this isn't possible anymore.

I hope this gets corrected. The roll rate seems more like that of a T-38 than that of a Phantom.

The modelling corrections are nice though.

And yes, I know, we have to take this up on the milviz forums... *sigh*

Dumonceau

[Katoun]

Hi,

I have just asked Colin to try this and, for him at least, he was able to fly at burner below mach 1 whilst in a very hard turn. He did nearly black out though and that's the point. In hard turns, where lift is needed, the slats auto open. This creates an immense amount of G force (1G approx). This is what causes the blackout.

If this is what you mean, then it's right.

As well, with three (3) actual, verified Phantom pilots (one of whom flew F-4F's) we're pretty sure we're getting it right. If you wish, feel free to take it up with them but if you check published materials (we will be releasing a manual soon), the performance is pretty much on the numbers.

[Naruto-kun]

Its not so much the ability to turn below mach 1 but what happens if you are turning above mach 1 and your speed drops below mach 1 in the turn. You are in for a little surprise there....one that is warned of in the manual.

[Gene K]

Its not so much the ability to turn below mach 1 but what happens if you are turning above mach 1 and your speed drops below mach 1 in the turn. You are in for a little surprise there....one that is warned of in the manual.
That's called "Mach Tuck" - the point at which the stabs "suddenly" become more effective than they were supersonic - was around .94, I think.

Gene K

[Naruto-kun]

Yep. I don't think it has been seen in FSX till now. Anyone else feel free to correct me.

[stovall]

"Mach Tuck", things have come a long way since my first Flight Sim purchase from Circuit City years ago. Great work guy in all areas of our hobby.

[MDIvey]

Kat... really enjoying the new build... but I was hoping the J model would be included in this one as it was so long in the pipeline. Next build maybe?

Its great to have the working slats in this model...very impressive.

Matt

[Katoun]

Hi,

Colin says that the J will be in the final product for sure but until the external is done 100%, the J will not be released. We will need to assign everything over to the J so doing it twice is not in the cards.

Thank you.

Kat.

[MDIvey]

Understood. Thanks for reply.

Matt

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/9sKAFoo.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/qnqdt6N.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/8qE2VNV.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/iyfUg2K.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/9kt06H7.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/HRXtgAh.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/b1TgaAw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qFyP5Bn.jpg

[Naruto-kun]

Is it me or is Zsolt mass producing paints?

[ZsoltB]

Is it me or is Zsolt mass producing paints?

:ernaehrung004:

http://i.imgur.com/F2vUXxz.jpg

[ZsoltB]

I need the correct USAF roundel template pack!

Any idea?

[mirage3]

What you mean with that?:confused:
:lemo:

?

[ZsoltB]

What you mean with that?:confused:
:lemo:

?

The kit, in which the layers are USAF roundels

:banghead:

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/aEzxe07.jpg

[Peg o my heart]

Thought I would just wait til it is complete but I cant resist to get the beta version NOW. However my GPU is not dx11 supported, will I have issues running the Phantom?

Thanks

[Naruto-kun]

Thought I would just wait til it is complete but I cant resist to get the beta version NOW. However my GPU is not dx11 supported, will I have issues running the Phantom?

Thanks

If it supports DX10 at least then no you will be fine.

[Peg o my heart]

Thanks Jonathan. Great to hear that. The reason I ask is that I remember a 732 video about your applying dz11 lighting or such.

[Naruto-kun]

Same tech used in the F-4 lighting and in the ACM. Since DX10 only cards are still widespread, we have automatic DX10 selection in the code. DX10 and 11 are not that much different in functionality. Only things missing in DX10 are the tessellation and certain shader types. For our purposes we only need to use the functionality that is supported by both shader model 4 and shader model 5.

[Peg o my heart]

see if i got this right. Whatever DX11 stuff applied in Phantom, I still can get it to work with my DX10 only GPU? I just revisited the aforementioned video andI assume you have the option to allow users to use DX9/10 lighting.

Thanks.

[Naruto-kun]

Yep. No DX9 though. DX10 or 11 only.

[Peg o my heart]

You've been helpful. Thank you.

[Gene K]

Is it me or is Zsolt mass producing paints?
I guess it's like going to a strip club ... frustrating in that we can admire, but not touch?

A small comment on the coloring of the canopy: there is/was no tint - the green is a optical reflection between the double layer of the windscreen.

Gene

[ZsoltB]

I guess it's like going to a strip club ... frustrating in that we can admire, but not touch?

A small comment on the coloring of the canopy: there is/was no tint - the green is a optical reflection between the double layer of the windscreen.

Gene

It seems that no visitor to the Milviz forum :173go1:
The green glass not my work

:wiggle:

[bully707]

Zsolt...great work! :applause:
Really looking forward to their releases...so I frequently check the Milviz forum repaint hangar... :jump:

In the meantime...Joe Laars' Aegean Blue...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/bully707/FSX/fsscr011_zps3e85270e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/bully707/FSX/fsscr004_zpsc7e791e3.jpg

[Gene K]

It seems that no visitor to the Milviz forum :173go1:
The green glass not my work

:wiggle:
Not sure what you mean.

Gene K

[Naruto-kun]

He has uploaded some over there

[ZsoltB]

He has uploaded some over there

thank you!

:banghead:

[dhazelgrove]

There's a 'Repaints' section of the Milviz forum that you might want to look in.

Dave

[Gene K]

thank you!

:banghead:

Yes, thanks Naruto-kun and Dave. I apologize for not being a mind reader ... or a proper emotican decipherer.

:banghead:

Gene K

[ZsoltB]

Yes, thanks Naruto-kun and Dave. I apologize for not being a mind reader ... or a proper emotican decipherer.

:banghead:

Gene K

Yes, there are some people who expect other people's work, but criticized for complaining, offended, this behavior is natural for them, then no thanks
You owe these include!

:toilet_claw:

[bully707]

Zsolt, my friend...relax and calm down!:wavey:
There was no harm done...just a simple misunderstanding.

The Milviz Repaint Forum isn't that well known and so not erveryone knows where to look for your great repaints.
Users who are looking for Milviz F-4E repaints should follow this link:

http://www.milviz.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=102

Cheers!

[ZsoltB]

Zsolt, my friend...relax and calm down!:wavey:
There was no harm done...just a simple misunderstanding.

The Milviz Repaint Forum isn't that well known and so not erveryone knows where to look for your great repaints.
Users who are looking for Milviz F-4E repaints should follow this link:

http://www.milviz.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=102

Cheers!

:ernaehrung004:

[mirage3]

Zsolt, my friend...relax and calm down!:wavey:
There was no harm done...just a simple misunderstanding.

The Milviz Repaint Forum isn't that well known and so not erveryone knows where to look for your great repaints.
Users who are looking for Milviz F-4E repaints should follow this link:

http://www.milviz.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=102

Cheers!

The important thing is that we appreciate your work, don't worry, we like it, don't give to much weight to the others thinks...
Great work as usual my friend:D:)

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/tx3F8Ex.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/vcNQPjY.jpg

[ZsoltB]

12792

still brown missiles :dizzy: :pop4: :banghead:
can anyone help?

[bully707]

Hey Zsolt...I see you are working on a JG74 Norm 72 repaint...please note that at that time the units crest still read Mölders instead of JG74 (as shown on the intake of your repaint...)

Keep up the great work my friend!

[Gene K]

I think we have a major communication breakdown caused by language differences and emoticon interpretation, and I apologize for that. I made what I intended to be a joke about the availability of the beautiful repaints that you created and posted here - without telling if those repaints are available for download, for sale, or intended to be part of the Milviz package. In that regard, I appreciate being forwarded to the Milviz repaint forum.

Certainly there was no intent to offend you, or to suggest that your work is not appreciated ... it is!

Gene K



Yes, there are some people who expect other people's work, but criticized for complaining, offended, this behavior is natural for them, then no thanks
You owe these include!

:toilet_claw:

[ZsoltB]

I think we have a major communication breakdown caused by language differences and emoticon interpretation, and I apologize for that. I made what I intended to be a joke about the availability of the beautiful repaints that you created and posted here - without telling if those repaints are available for download, for sale, or intended to be part of the Milviz package. In that regard, I appreciate being forwarded to the Milviz repaint forum.

Certainly there was no intent to offend you, or to suggest that your work is not appreciated ... it is!

Gene K

It's okay, calm down :ernaehrung004:
I apologize for the correct spelling :dizzy:

Zsolt

[dhazelgrove]

Anyone up for some Japanese repaints?

Dave

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/bnfFJ0D.jpg

[SH427]

Oooooh. A German paint. I'll be eyeballing that one :D

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/7jQWkBX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KkbdpAU.jpg

[Stickshaker]

Beautiful!

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/xdDw5qS.jpg

[Stickshaker]

Very nice, Zsolt! Will you be uploading it at MilViz?

[ZsoltB]

Very nice, Zsolt! Will you be uploading it at MilViz?

Thank you! Yes, soon....

:encouragement:

[Stickshaker]

Yes!!! I love your work!

[Fireball6]

Thank you so much for your artwork - very well done !!!!! :applause:

Kindest regards

Dirk

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/C3no2yt.jpg

[Naruto-kun]

How did you get rid of the fins on the nape?

[ZsoltB]

How did you get rid of the fins on the nape?

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12792&d=1412266552

still brown missiles :dizzy: :pop4: :banghead:

Any idea???

[Dumonceau]

http://i.imgur.com/7jQWkBX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KkbdpAU.jpg

Zszolt, is this one availbable?

Dumonceau

[Katoun]

Hi,

We removed the fins on the BLU so that colokent could have his travel pod.

Thank you,

Kat

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/aRKki8c.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/LDEfV4X.jpg

[findus]

Thx a lot Zolt for this repaint!12940

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/CHT7m9y.jpg

[Fireball6]

Wow - the WTD-Bird looks very nice - love your work Zsolt. Thanks for sharing it with us :applause:

Dirk

[wapanomi]

Zsoltquack, the japanese skins, and the black panther in particular, are certainly the most awaited skins for the phantom... to me... And your realisation seems excellent, as usual... I wanted to do it myself, but didn't even find a decent panther to put on it... I'm very curious to have it in my fs... Thanks for this good work ! (but, like Dumonceau, I didn't find where they are available...)

[Dumonceau]

Zsoltquack, the japanese skins, and the black panther in particular, are certainly the most awaited skins for the phantom... to me... And your realisation seems excellent, as usual... I wanted to do it myself, but didn't even find a decent panther to put on it... I'm very curious to have it in my fs... Thanks for this good work ! (but, like Dumonceau, I didn't find where they are available...)

Hi there compatriot! the paints can be found here: http://www.milviz.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=102

You have to register though!

Greetings from Antwerp!

Johan

[MDIvey]

Zolt... do please let us know when a download link is available for the Blue Japanese one... looks great. downloaded some of the others but will have to install them later when I have time. Really superb.

Matt

[ZsoltB]

Zolt... do please let us know when a download link is available for the Blue Japanese one... looks great. downloaded some of the others but will have to install them later when I have time. Really superb.

Matt

Hi,

Yes,

Available soon....

http://i.imgur.com/R6vDcxu.jpg

Zsolt

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/aEzxe07.jpg

the download link has been updated!

[ejoiner]

This thread is like a crowbar prying my wallet out of my pocket! I had intended to wait til beta was done then buy this, especially when the Navy variants were fully baked. However...this is getting hard.

E

[bully707]

Oh my God...Zsolt...!
That WTD repaint in the Norm90 camouflage looks absolutely stunning! A great base for more Norm90 repaints of the German Air Force...especially JG71....

Thank you Zsolt, my friend!

[ZsoltB]

This thread is like a crowbar prying my wallet out of my pocket! I had intended to wait til beta was done then buy this, especially when the Navy variants were fully baked. However...this is getting hard.

E


:applause::encouragement:

[dhazelgrove]

This thread is like a crowbar prying my wallet out of my pocket! I had intended to wait til beta was done then buy this, especially when the Navy variants were fully baked. However...this is getting hard.

E

Tempt.....tempt.....

Welcome to the Dark Side.....

Dave

[ZsoltB]

Tempt.....tempt.....

Welcome to the Dark Side.....

Dave



http://www.sg.hu/forumkepek/2009_04/bang.gif

[JAllen]

http://i.imgur.com/aEzxe07.jpg

I did an acceptance inspection on a factory fresh slatted E while assigned to the 57th back in '73 I believe. The undersides were white back then and the paint felt like sandpaper almost. This paint with lots of panel stenciling reminds me of that day.

[ZsoltB]

I did an acceptance inspection on a factory fresh slatted E while assigned to the 57th back in '73 I believe. The undersides were white back then and the paint felt like sandpaper almost. This paint with lots of panel stenciling reminds me of that day.






Your life is enviable!

Regards,

Zsolt

[Gene K]

Zsolt,

As everyone has said - beautiful repaints. What is the scenery in the Japanese Woodpecker screen shot?

Gene K

[ZsoltB]

Zsolt,

As everyone has said - beautiful repaints. What is the scenery in the Japanese Woodpecker screen shot?

Gene K

Thanks!

This is base: Gifu AB

http://secure.simmarket.com/gsnext-gifu-airbase-jasdf.phtml

Zsolt

[Gene K]

This is base: Gifu AB

Thanks for the link. Are there any other FSX Phantom bases you recommend?

Gene K

[ZsoltB]

Thanks for the link. Are there any other FSX Phantom bases you recommend?

Gene K

Check your this: http://fsx-milaip.de/startseite/meine-fsx-szenerien/

[Christoph_T]

Thanks for the link. Are there any other FSX Phantom bases you recommend?

Gene K

You should try AFB Soesteberg (EHSB) from nl-2000.
The real base is closed now, but you can find a version of the AFB at it was in the 80s.
It is a superb freeware. In my opinion the nl-2000 team has made the best renditions of military bases for FSX.
Look also for Leeuwareden (EHLW). A nice base for fighters like the F-16...
Have a look at "nl-2000.com". Go to downloads and than to NL2000 v4.0.

With best regards,

Christoph

[ZsoltB]

Yes,yes! NL2000!!!! :jump:

[wapanomi]

Hi there compatriot! the paints can be found here: http://www.milviz.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=102

You have to register though!

Greetings from Antwerp!

Johan

Thank you, Johan, and greetings from Brussels ! I checked the forum but didn't see the links... and didn't noticed the post of Zsolt annoucing future availabily...

I will wait... and admire the work in progress...

[Katoun]

Hi,

If you go into the threads you will see the links that he has posted.

However, as per our agreement with Zsolt, we will be including these paints (along with the others) in the final product. The next build should contain most of these.

Thank you.

Kat

[ZsoltB]

Hi,

If you go into the threads you will see the links that he has posted.

However, as per our agreement with Zsolt, we will be including these paints (along with the others) in the final product. The next build should contain most of these.

Thank you.

Kat

Hi Kat,

When will be available P3D v2 option?

Zsolt

[Katoun]

Hi,

When the FSX version is complete we will do the v2 build.

Thank you.

Kat

[ZsoltB]

Hi,

When the FSX version is complete we will do the v2 build.

Thank you.

Kat

Hi Kat,

Thanks the info,

really looking forward to the release date!!!

Zsolt

[dhazelgrove]

Check your this: http://fsx-milaip.de/startseite/meine-fsx-szenerien/

RAFG in FSX? Marvellous!!!

Been waiting for this.....

Dave

[bully707]

Zsolt, my friend...! Great repaints...as usual!
Thank you so much for your work!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/bully707/FSX/fsscr001_zps1d6a7201.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/bully707/FSX/fsscr010_zps49f96851.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/bully707/FSX/fsscr012_zpsba7eea1c.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/bully707/FSX/fsscr014_zpsee1b17ed.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/obZz0V4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Pl1auOd.jpg

[Fireball6]

simply Wow :applause: - what should i say - great work as always !!

[bully707]

Zsolt...! Looking great!
A high viz paint for Goose Bay low level training...

[dhazelgrove]

You should try AFB Soesteberg (EHSB) from nl-2000.
The real base is closed now, but you can find a version of the AFB at it was in the 80s.
It is a superb freeware. In my opinion the nl-2000 team has made the best renditions of military bases for FSX.
Look also for Leeuwareden (EHLW). A nice base for fighters like the F-16...
Have a look at "nl-2000.com". Go to downloads and than to NL2000 v4.0.

With best regards,

Christoph
The NL2000 bases are marvellous - but there are nowhere near enough parking slots.
Not good for AI.

Dave

[skyhawka4m]

Can someone tell me how to get the most recent version of the F-4E? I bought the test pilot variant when it first came out and would like to see what has changed since.

[SH427]

I got an email back in September telling me Beta 3 came out with the DC link included.

I'd email Kat or Colin and see if they can send you another if you didn't get the first one.

[skyhawka4m]

Think I made a mistake......I think I downloaded the models they put out free? for painters? Did that happen?

[Katoun]

Hi,

We put out two versions of the product so far. The first was the aircraft without gear (and no vc). This was free and was/is to be used as a repainter's tool.

The second is a beta (MV Test Pilot Team) product that costs 39.99. This is a beta product so it's not 100% yet but so far, we have sent out 3 iterations with more coming (soon).

Thank you.

Kat

[ZsoltB]

Hi,

We put out two versions of the product so far. The first was the aircraft without gear (and no vc). This was free and was/is to be used as a repainter's tool.

The second is a beta (MV Test Pilot Team) product that costs 39.99. This is a beta product so it's not 100% yet but so far, we have sent out 3 iterations with more coming (soon).

Thank you.

Kat

Thank you! :applause:

Zsolt

[arjan8]

The NL2000 bases are marvellous - but there are nowhere near enough parking slots.
Not good for AI.


Hi Dave,

The NL2000 team try to make their sceneries based on real airbases situation, so all the parking spots are placed as the real parkings situated on airbases in the Netherlands. This means that the AI from NL2000 itself will park as technical possible at the right parking spot of an airbase to create an as real life situation.
But you can expand the number of parkingspots by using ADE or FSXplanner if you like.

Best regards,
Arjan

[skyhawka4m]

http://i.imgur.com/obZz0V4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Pl1auOd.jpg


How do you get the baggage pods to show up?

[bully707]

Hi there...!

You'll simply have to select the BLUs...iirc...

[Gene K]

Hi there...!

You'll simply have to select the BLUs...iirc...

Yes, but how do you get the yellow ones?

Gene K

[Katoun]

Hi Gene,

You have to have his repaint installed.

Once the product is iterated again, his.and the others as well, will be included.

Then you will be able to pick that one.

Thank you.

Kat.

[ZsoltB]

http://www.image-share.com/upload/2731/102.jpg (http://www.image-share.com/ijpg-2731-102.html)

[ejoiner]

http://www.image-share.com/upload/2731/102.jpg (http://www.image-share.com/ijpg-2731-102.html)

Hi Zsolt, I am assuming thats a QF-4 based on paint scheme?

[ZsoltB]

Here:http://www.milviz.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=102

Soon!

[skyhawka4m]

I keep looking at these paints and the tail numbers look small to me........anyone else? not a hard fix but maybe I'm being too picky

74-653 looks dead on for size

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/dHEfmR5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VQEsFJK.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/BoATKoK.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/mBQZn8p.jpg

[strykerpsg]

Zsolt, thank you for the fantastic paints you're applying to this beauty. As soon as I finish downloading all of my missing files, I am delving deeply into this bird, since I grew up around them most of my life and absolutely love the look and sound of the Phantom. Thank you for inspiring me to endure the tedious download times needed to showcase and fly your artwork applied to this fantastic bird from Milviz.

[ColoKent]

You're killing me Zsolt....these are beautiful paints! I had a blast yesterday in your MO ANG bird. Can't wait for the Edwards bird....

Thanks for the hard work-- you are really adding to the enjoyment of MilViz's baby...

Kent

[ZsoltB]

http://i.imgur.com/myqRxi0.jpg

[Fireball6]

Wow - another great job Zsolt - like it very much :jump:

Dirk

[delta_lima]

Any word on the J and/or S models?

cheers,

dl

[stovall]

DL, last I heard as a beta tester, the final would be out hopefully by Christmas. I would love to see the J and or S model to check it out before release. Looking forward to it.

[delta_lima]

Great - thanks Tom. All I was hoping for was an "order of magnitude" forecast - ie: weeks or months.

So that's reasonable. Have set aside some funds for this, the F-14A/B, and the Canberra PR.9.

Cheers,

dl

[Katoun]

Hi,

Please note that it's "hopefully". Not a guarantee but a hope. Optimism.

Perhaps Colin was a bit hasty in writing that.

We will nonetheless try.

Thank you.

Kat

[delta_lima]

Hi,

Please note that it's "hopefully". Not a guarantee but a hope. Optimism.

Perhaps Colin was a bit hasty in writing that.

We will nonetheless try.

Thank you.

Kat

Fair enough Kat - not taken as a hard date - perfectly reasonable to say it's a just a target at this point... :ernaehrung004:

dl

[dhazelgrove]

Fair enough Kat - not taken as a hard date - perfectly reasonable to say it's a just a target at this point... :ernaehrung004:

dl

16151 Ho, Ho, Ho!!

Dave

[ejoiner]

http://i.imgur.com/BoATKoK.jpg

Zsolt these look great! Only one observation... on the Vietnam era jungle camo above, as well as the Israeli camo, shouldnt there be feathered edges between the colors? Also, the green on the IAF bird looks a tad dark. Normally your work is spot on perfect, so I hesitate to comment. Perhaps its just the picture angles.

Eric