HMS Victorious circa 1960

[SkippyBing]

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Get this here: http://z13.invisionfree.com/Flying_Stations/index.php?showtopic=376
There'll also be a slightly later version along in "two weeks" modified for the Buccaneer and Sea Vixen, I know it's like we're following the RN's original modification programme...

[noddy]

Great news, many thanks.

[dhasdell]

Downloading now!

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Bum! Got a "This file is not commonly downloaded and could be dangerous" message

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Got it - we're in business!

[SkippyBing]

Downloading now!

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Bum! got a "This file is not commonly downloaded and could be dangerous" message.

Well to be fair it's probably only been downloaded 80 times so it's not going to be that common, I scanned it with Avast anti-virus before I uploaded it and nothing was found so it should be okay.

[Hooky722]

I can't see the download link anywhere or am i looking in the wrong place?

[Hooky722]

I can't see the download link anywhere or am i looking in the wrong place?

sorry i wasnt signed in my bad

[dhasdell]

Fly Navy!

"Being in all respects ready for sea, HMS Victorious will proceed....." Thank you, Flying Stations.

[noddy]

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Couple of points:

I have only got two support ships and no wake effect?

[dhasdell]

I think the third destroyer is off in the distance. I didn't have a wake either, so for the moment I am using the one from one of the other FS carriers.

[SkippyBing]

Ahh, yes, I appear to have put the wrong wake effect in the installer, try this one 1224!
The other escort is a few km ahead of the task group, incidentally the one behind the Vic should be about parallel of where you roll out of finals at 500', no really...

[JensOle]

Absolutely stunning! I have eagerly been waiting for this one and it very much lives up to the expectations! Thank you!

849 NAS came aboard Victorious in 1960 with their new Gannet AEW.3 and even if the airgroup is slightly earlier I had to test it out with my "V" paint.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot1190.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot1204.jpg~original

Great work on the escort Darings as well!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot1206.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot1208.jpg~original

Time for testing the Scimitar..

[SkippyBing]

Jens, nice shots! As far as I can tell 849 had Skyraiders for the first half of 1960 and then re-embarked with Gannets around October. If there's demand I can do a version without the Skyraider and maybe an extra Scimitar.

[JensOle]

Yes, I believe you are spot on. As far as my reference goes, so did the AEW Gannets replace the Skyraiders in late 1960. The same radar though... which later on soldiered on with the RAF in their Shackletons.. amazing story of ww2 radar equipment used to the very end of the cold war (It probably tells more about failed British procurement than the radar itself).
The Gannet certainly is an easy plane to land in FSX and the canopy provides excellent visibility

I do like the Skyraider, but could be nice with an all Scimitar lineup.

[delta_lima]

Had a dozen or so circuits in both the Scimitar and the Bucc S.2 - simly stunning.

The only oddity I found was that in launching the Alphasim/Virtavia Scimitar, it "bumped" up and down the length of the cat, whereas it didn't do this when launched off the Ark, and no other aircraft that I tried did this at all on the new Vic '60. I'm inclined to think this behaviour has more to do with the AS/V Scimitar as opposed to the boat itself.

In any event, a fantastic project. In addition to the superb quality of the boats, what shocked me was the graphics performance. By that I mean not minimal, not negligible - but ZERO - impact on FPS. Pegged at 25, the boat was at 25 fps with the Scimitar. The Bucc was around 18 - that's the same as what I get with the Bucc at any land-based aerodrome. What appears (to my limited knowledge of graphics) to be "baked" textures, the look and feel is miles over the Ark.

To date, in my view, the RFN carriers had set the bar in terms of the visual quality and frame rate performance. Skip, Fras, and team have clearly entered that arena - this set of boats is simply stunning. Bravo.

I'd basically "checked out" of this hobby over the last few months - I'd had enough of watching negative, ignorant and belligerent coments being posting with impunity. But projects such as these help restore some of the excitment that was this hobby many years ago ...

Many thanks,

DL

[expat]

projects such as these help restore some of the excitment that was this hobby many years ago ...

Copy that DL. This new Victorious and Daring escorts are wonderful. Also, a new area of history for me to research and learn about. Thanks all.

[sketchy]

@Jens, stunning images!

@DL, thanks for the comments, know how you feel regarding checking out, glad we may have helped coax you back.

Happy Simming chaps.

[fallenphoenix1986]

Been waiting anxiously for this one for a couple of years, pretty much since it was first anounced and she dosn't disapoint. Spent my evening flying circuits in a Scimitar around her... right up to the point that I rather embarissingly ran out of go juice on the Cat... I'd firewalled the throttles and was scanning the engine panel when the engines started spooling down... 3 or 4 seconds longer and I'd have been going swimming :disturbed:

Craig

[Flyboy208]

Brilliant work Gentlemen ! Mike :unitedkingdom:

[DaveQ]

Brilliant - thanks so much Skippy!! Can now fly Rob Richardson's Sea Venom repaints on the real deal!!

DaveQ

[spatialpro]

Brilliant - thanks so much Skippy!! Can now fly Rob Richardson's Sea Venom repaints on the real deal!!

Hi from down south in Bournemouth Dave!

Now, if we could just get AI ships to sync in multiplayer we could crew 2-seaters like the Venom/Vixen/Bucc properly on and off the ship.

[MDIvey]

Superb work as always Flying Stations.

Anyone know if there is a Blue and Yellow paint for the Alphasim Westland whirlwind to match the guard helicopter? and if so where to get it?

Matt

[dhasdell]

I like it more with every flight, but I still haven't got the hang of adding that RFN gauge yet.

[DaveQ]

Hi from down south in Bournemouth Dave!

Now, if we could just get AI ships to sync in multiplayer we could crew 2-seaters like the Venom/Vixen/Bucc properly on and off the ship.

You can drive Andy - I'm cr*p at it!!!:toilet_claw:

DaveQ

[noddy]

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Couple of old girls.

[Ian Warren]

Couple of old girls.
Andrew , That is one wicked screen banking over the Vic ! :cool: , I don't have the Sea Venom but i do have the Scimitar ... now there is talk it work in MP , now that would be interesting
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[dhasdell]

More with the Sea Venom:

[spatialpro]

More with the Sea Venom:

With no FLOLS! :-O

[SkippyBing]

With no FLOLS! :-O

Technically it's not a FLOLS, it's a MOLS (Mirror Optical Landing System), hence the row of lights further aft to bounce off the concave vertical mirror. Not that I read a whole document on optical landing aids to figure out what to put there!

[fallenphoenix1986]

Love the new ship but I'm starting to think I made a mess of te install - that or I'm shooting a perfect approach every single time, I can't get the "meatball" to be anything other than centred perfectly between the green bars. This is if I don't use the RFN gauge, if I do use it I get no lights whatsoever regardless of how I fly the approach, once tunned in I get the course corrections on the ILS and the LSO voice works, no lights however.

Also might have found a slight typo in the read me?

There is no "RFN_Gauge.xml" in the RFN 4.1 pack so I've added the following lines* to the eng of "RFN_Carrier.xml".

*
<!--?xml version="1.0"?-->
<carrier helo_distance="0"
Helo_Bearing="0"
Sim_Name_Helo="none"
TCN_Zcoord="1.63"
TCN_Ycoord="39.48"
TCN_Xcoord="14.97"
ILS_Zcoord="-55.0"
ILS_Ycoord="13.00"
ILS_Xcoord="-2.25"
GS_Angle="3.6"
RunwayAngle="8.0"
Language="US"
Frequency="117.20"
CarrierType="1"
Sim_Name="Victorious_1958"
Name="HMS Victorious 1958"/>

Craig</carrier>

[dhasdell]

FLOLS or MOLS, I still haven't got it installed yet.

[expat]

Tried my own mods to the the ealier Victorious RFN 4.1 xml entry - and also Craig's - but no show on the TACAN at 117.20 for some reason. Other boats work fine.

[expat]

Got it! Did a reload of the entries in the d/l and that did the trick.

[fallenphoenix1986]

I had originally started posting that I couldnt get the frequency to apear, manaeged to eventually but it was out of sequence for some reason.

Craig

[William Njurmi]

Hi,

Norton nailed the installer, but the exe can be returned from the quarantine.

If I proceed with the installer, how do you use the HMS Victorius? Does it have certain location or does it have a traffic.bgl file to get running somewhere?

[JensOle]

With aicarrier.

[NickB]

Superb work as always Flying Stations.

Anyone know if there is a Blue and Yellow paint for the Alphasim Westland whirlwind to match the guard helicopter? and if so where to get it?

Matt

Matt, I uploaded an earlier version of this S-55 to Avsim I think, a couple of years ago, but it's not there any more. I can send it to you if you like.

[Skyhawk_310R]

There were some discussions about the British bringing back the standard carriers for the F-35. This thread prompted my curiosity. What's the status of that?

Ken

[Skyhawk_310R]

Back to this work -- stunning! I love the detail of if and frankly I've always had a love crush on the design and functionality of these RN carriers and their aircraft, and this piece of work captures it all magnificently!

Ken

[fallenphoenix1986]

There were some discussions about the British bringing back the standard carriers for the F-35. This thread prompted my curiosity. What's the status of that?

Ken

The government officially made a Uturn fromSTOVL to CTOL then a year or so latter made another Uturn back to STOVL. They then turned around and asked why the cost went up - dunno maybe something to do with screwing the contractors around for over a year and having them undertake a series of pointless design studies - open up new supply chains and redirect the construction shedule for (ultimately) no reason whatsoever and then having them work it all back in reverse to get back to where they were before Mr Politician stuck his ignorant nose in.... Rant over....

Craig

edit:
Oh yeah - Mr Politician then decided to make another swing of the defence cut axe to recoup the costs of the aformentioned screw up...

[SkippyBing]

They then turned around and asked why the cost went up

To be fair the contract was for a carrier that could be converted to take cats and traps so it's not unreasonable to ask why having it done was apparently going to double the cost of the ships...

[fallenphoenix1986]

Granted a redesign was required in places however the simple act of screwing up the production timeline added hundreds of millions to the price, case in point you're having your kitchen renovated; mid way through you tell your contractor to stop and order/install different appliances in different locations and you want tiled walls instead of paint, he goes away orders a new oven/fridge/freezer/whatever, comes up with new arangements and returns in two weeks, you then tell him not to bother and go back to what was originaly planned - would you expect the contractor to stick to the original price? Or will he bill you for the time, effort and expenses incurred by the homeowner meddling in his plan?

The ships could have been fitted out CTOL - but noone ever said you would be able to do it at the drop of a hat, additional hardware displaces existing arangements and power distribution would be radically affected - still possible though.

Craig

Sorry if I'm a bit sharp on this but I was involved in fixing some of that mess IRL.

[SkippyBing]

At the prices BAE charge I'd expect the things to be gold plated, but then I'm generally cynical about anything they tell me.

[Skyhawk_310R]

Granted a redesign was required in places however the simple act of screwing up the production timeline added hundreds of millions to the price, case in point you're having your kitchen renovated; mid way through you tell your contractor to stop and order/install different appliances in different locations and you want tiled walls instead of paint, he goes away orders a new oven/fridge/freezer/whatever, comes up with new arangements and returns in two weeks, you then tell him not to bother and go back to what was originaly planned - would you expect the contractor to stick to the original price? Or will he bill you for the time, effort and expenses incurred by the homeowner meddling in his plan?

The ships could have been fitted out CTOL - but noone ever said you would be able to do it at the drop of a hat, additional hardware displaces existing arangements and power distribution would be radically affected - still possible though.

Craig

Sorry if I'm a bit sharp on this but I was involved in fixing some of that mess IRL.

Shame you cannot design your politicians as well as your aircraft carriers! Then again, you don't exactly have a monopoly on that sort of stuff!

Ken

[SkippyBing]

Granted a redesign was required in places however the simple act of screwing up the production timeline added hundreds of millions to the price, case in point you're having your kitchen renovated; mid way through you tell your contractor to stop and order/install different appliances in different locations and you want tiled walls instead of paint, he goes away orders a new oven/fridge/freezer/whatever, comes up with new arangements and returns in two weeks, you then tell him not to bother and go back to what was originaly planned - would you expect the contractor to stick to the original price? Or will he bill you for the time, effort and expenses incurred by the homeowner meddling in his plan?

The ships could have been fitted out CTOL - but noone ever said you would be able to do it at the drop of a hat, additional hardware displaces existing arangements and power distribution would be radically affected - still possible though.

Craig

Sorry if I'm a bit sharp on this but I was involved in fixing some of that mess IRL.

Off course in this example the kitchen contractor is being paid a minimum fee every year whether or not he fits a kitchen, in which case I'd expect a bit of flexibility. Not blaming you but having read the Haddon-Cave report I don't trust BAE's management as far as I can throw them.

[JensOle]

On demand I have zipped up the Fairey Gannet AEW.3 "423" 849 NAS Victorious repaint. Enjoy!

[dhasdell]

Thank you very much.