Ex Primum Bellum Rares Aves Sunt...

[Ralf Roggeveen]

Hello good friends, sorry not to spend more time in your excellent company recently! :wavey:

Here are four fairly obscure WW1 aircraft I've recently discovered. One German, one French, one British and one Italian. Sorry not to put in any Americans yet, but it's kind of 'in order of when you came into the conflict', though the pictures are random. More to follow when you've got these...

Nationalities fairly obvious - especially the Hun covered in Balkankreutzen! - and I've edited one which would have been a giveaway otherwise.

BTW : I know my Latin is probably all wrong, but it's supposed to mean 'They are rare birds from the First War'. No doubt lefty (or someone else old enough to remember when they still spoke it) will correct & un-dog my Roman talk...:)

:icon29: s for those who get 'em:ernae:

[lefty]

Top Left - Armstrong Whitworth F.K.3

Bottom Right Gotha Ursinus G.U.H. 1

[Ferry_vO]

Bottom left - Wight Navyplane III .

Top right - Caproni Ca.113

[Ralf Roggeveen]

Lefty gets :icon29: :icon29: Twa pintzo'Heavey, Aye


Sorry Ferry! As they say in the Eurovision Song Contest "Nul Point...."

Scotland 2 : Holland 0*

(but you got one nationality wright - I mean right) :)


*This result will never, ever, ever occur in Football**

**=Soccer (in :US-flag: )

[Jaxon]

*This result will never, ever, ever occur in Football**




Hey, Greece became European Champion, I mean Greece :costumes: !!
And the former Champ, France got kicked out without a single goal after the first round....

So, who knows...

[Ferry_vO]

:costumes: I found the right aircraft on a picture, too bad the website had it confused with another italian bird. The Ca.113 was powered by radial engines, while the one in the picture has a inline engine.

http://www.comandosupremo.com/Ca113.html

Better read before I write next time. :)

Did my research a bit better this time, and the italian aircraft is the Ansaldo A.1 Ballila .

As for soccer/football, I'm not really interested; I do remember the last time we've played against the Scottish team. Do you, Lefty ? :D Or have you repressed the memory ?

[Hurricane]

I think scotland might have beaten holland at cricket last time they played each other, i seem to remember reading about it.Not sure about the pictures though

[Ferry_vO]

Cricket ? What's that ? :costumes:

The French floater looks an awful lot like a Farman 'shorthorn', except I haven't found anything on a float version ?

[Ralf Roggeveen]

Better read before I write next time. :)

Did my research a bit better this time, and the italian aircraft is the Ansaldo A.1 Ballila .



Holland score 1 :icon29: in Injury Time...:ernae:

You still have the French floater to get; Americans & Russians on their way...

[Ralf Roggeveen]

OK, so here are the 2 Russians & 2 Americans which seem to have come out in the right order. I know the monochrome US one is very easy, but what the H*ll?!? :icon_twi: Get :icon29: first come, first served.

WARNING : MORE DIFFICULT WW1 NAVAL AIRCRAFT TO FOLLOW...

[Hurricane]

They're all aeroplanes!
And ferry, I haven't got a clue what cricket is (afterall i only played it for 8 years:costumes: ), i hear its less violent but if the ball hits you you'll know about it (speaking from experience):blind: :costumes:

[Ralf Roggeveen]

They're all aeroplanes!
And ferry, I haven't got a clue what cricket is (afterall i only played it for 8 years:costumes: ), i hear its less violent but if the ball hits you you'll know about it (speaking from experience):blind: :costumes:

Very droll...

In Yorkshire cricket isn't a sport, it's a religion (also worshipped in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, the West Indies, Zimbabwe, South Africa, NZ and Australia, but with different gods).

I lived in York, Yorkshire for 8 years 1979-87. Graffitti in a pub toilet there:

YORKSHIRE BORN AND YORKSHIRE BRED

STRONG IN THE ARM & THICK IN THE HEAD

Added below, in another hand:

Aye, and Better in Bed

As for "they're all aeroplanes" - watch it Hurri! I've plenty of airships if you're bored of aeroplanes! :a1451:

[Ferry_vO]

Think I need someone to explain the (basic) rules of cricket to me; It's not exactly a popular sport over here.

As for the new aircraft mysteries : The Russkies look like the Anatra Anade and Anasal to me.

[Hurricane]

There are two sets of stumps, which are three sticks in the ground 22 yards apart. there is a bowler who bowls overarm a hard lump of leather at the stumps the batsmen has a bat which he has to hit the ball with. there are two batsmen, one each end and to score they run to the other end. there are 11 players in a side and when fielding all 11 are on the field. the boundary is marked by a rope and if the ball is hit over along the ground it is worth 4 'runs' and if it goes over without bouncing it is 6. batsmen are out if the ball hits the stumps, or their legs in front of the stumps or if they hit it in the air and a fielder catches it, and a few other ways.

I don't seem to have much time to work out what mysterys are at the moment, its back to school tommorow, this week I've been visiting unis, and I started my new job yesterday and for some reason agreed to work today which meant no museum:violent: and I think I've got landed with next sunday as well, i might have to go saturday afternoon since I work 6-12 then.:a1451:

I haven't got a clue as to the specific type of aircraft, I'll have another look, and I suppose I'd better spend my first pay cheque on some airship books:costumes:

[lefty]

James, thanks for the treatise on cricket - we play it up here too, you know!

Re the old crates -

Top left is an Anatra Anasal. ( sounds like an ointment for piles).

And the monochrome is a Thomas-Morse S4

Lefty

[Ferry_vO]

Thanks for explaining a bit about cricket, James. Still not very clear what the game is about exactly, but I'll have a look around and see if I can find a Dutch site on the subject. :)

And good luck with your new job !

[Ralf Roggeveen]

James, thanks for the treatise on cricket - we play it up here too, you know!

Re the old crates -

Top left is an Anatra Anasal. ( sounds like an ointment for piles).

And the monochrome is a Thomas-Morse S4

Lefty

Hmmm...do you know your left from your right, Righty?

You're right that top right is the Antara-Salmson 'Anasal', but you're left with the left-hand picture that's, er, left...

As for Dutch cricket; Granny Roggeveen says (from beyond de graf) :

Hollant [sic] is a very good country for Kricket, being so totally PLAT (duidelijk). You can make a fitch anywhere. You need 22 men, as in many sports. Any nation can play (even Amerikaanse), EXCEPT not de Moffen! Ja, ja! Kricket? Kricket? Wat zou dat? In Amerika it's aan de haard! he, he. Ralf? Ralf? Plaats waar iemand zich bevindt???

[lefty]

Well, Ralf, baby, I'm only going by Bill Gunston's Encyclopedia of Russian Aircraft

Here is the relevant pic.

If that ain't the same aircraft as your top left then I am, like Ferry, a Dutchman.

Lefty

[Ralf Roggeveen]

It's still top RIGHT for me, my south-pawed north-dwelling friend. Top left is the Lebed' 12 (Recce) 'plane.

I'll buy my own :icon29: now - someone labelled something wrong somewhere! (My source is little '77 book. Is Gunston god?)

[Jaxon]

I'll buy my own :icon29: now ...

Hehe, that is what I am doing since the first look - absolutely no idea on these..

I`ll invite you for a dark brewed http://www.michael-reimer.com/temp/icon29b.gif, for those lost in the dark

[Ralf Roggeveen]

I`ll invite you for a dark brewed http://www.michael-reimer.com/temp/icon29b.gif

I'll accept a litre or two of your fine North German :icon29: Jax! dark brewed http://www.michael-reimer.com/temp/icon29b.gif looks like Irish stout or porter (Guinness?) :ernae: Prosit!