Is anyone making a Boeing 314 Clipper FsX?

[Roger]

As the title suggests does anyone know of an FsX 314 in the making? I'm sure it would be a good seller for a payware vendor (see my avatar).

[Spad54]

As the title suggests does anyone know of an FsX 314 in the making? I'm sure it would be a good seller for a payware vendor (see my avatar).
We've discussed it but that's as far as we have gone. It's behind the Boeing 247 and the Grumman Widgeon

[CWOJackson]

Rather than another of something I'd love a 314; imagine one with Accusim. At one time one of the higher end freelance developers mentioned it as a future project; Piglet????

I kept FS9 installed on my old FS computer primarily because of the Pilot's 314. It's dialed back to the 30's and is mostly used for Pan Am period aircraft and routes.

[Roger]

Rather than another of something I'd love a 314; imagine one with Accusim. At one time one of the higher end freelance developers mentioned it as a future project; Piglet????

I kept FS9 installed on my old FS computer primarily because of the Pilot's 314. It's dialed back to the 30's and is mostly used for Pan Am period aircraft and routes.

I believe Jens (JBK) was considering making a 314 but he seems to have left plane making behind for now...

[Spad54]

Rather than another of something I'd love a 314; imagine one with Accusim. At one time one of the higher end freelance developers mentioned it as a future project; Piglet????

I kept FS9 installed on my old FS computer primarily because of the Pilot's 314. It's dialed back to the 30's and is mostly used for Pan Am period aircraft and routes.

I'm sorry what do you mean another of something? Are you implying that if GAS did it it would not be properly done? If so, sir, we take offense

[ViperPilot2]

Roger, I don't know if you've explored this possibility, but someone did an 'FSX upgrade' to Mike Stone's B-314 Clipper at one point...

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[PutPut]

I believe Jens (JBK) was considering making a 314 but he seems to have left plane making behind for now...

Yeah, the last I heard he was heavily involved in Wakefield class rubber powered model airplanes.

Best, Paul

[Roger]

Roger, I don't know if you've explored this possibility, but someone did an 'FSX upgrade' to Mike Stone's B-314 Clipper at one point...

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The issue is that as I run FsX in Dx10 an Fs9 model would not work well in Dx10. Maybe when we finally get Steve Parsons Dx10 fixer program, an Fs9 model might not look so bad? If that were the case I would try an install of the Pilots B314 that I still have on disk somewhere.

[CWOJackson]

I'm sorry what do you mean another of something? Are you implying that if GAS did it it would not be properly done? If so, sir, we take offense

When I say "another of something" I'm referring to the redundancy (another) we see in some aircraft, for instance Mustangs and Spitfires and even the Cub. Yes, each and every rendition brings something new but it's something slightly new to the same thing.

[Delta_Whiskey]

when freeware developers fade away you will only get what will sell.

[txnetcop]

I'm with you Roger...I would love to see a very thoroughly done 314. I read Night Over Water by Ken Follett and that really got the juices flowing. I would like to see a full tour even a cabin or cabins with lower deck diner, a crewman seat in the engines compartments, a full engineer and navigator compartment, etc...I know I'm dreaming!

http://www.clipperflyingboats.com/pan-am/boeing-b314 (http://www.clipperflyingboats.com/pan-am/boeing-b314)

Ted

[ColoKent]

When I say "another of something" I'm referring to the redundancy (another) we see in some aircraft, for instance Mustangs and Spitfires and even the Cub. Yes, each and every rendition brings something new but it's something slightly new to the same thing.

Or EE Canberras, for god's sake....and yet STILL no proper FSX-native B-57B, C, E to be seen....

Kent

[Firekitten]

when freeware developers fade away you will only get what will sell.
More likely that in time, payware will drift away and we'll be left with the freeware developers we started with...



As for the clipper... Mikes is... showing its age now, its a simple low poly model, no vc... questionable flight model, but hes fairly clear on that note... he made it for himself and shared it, and credit to him for that.

I'd love a good clipper :( Really one of the big classics we're missing... A2A Captain of the ship Boeing B314? :D Oh yes please.

[CWOJackson]

Here's a link for 314 fans. A full sized replica.

http://www.flyingboatmuseum.com/b314_replica.html

Two years ago this was a topic of interest with the folks at the Boeing Museum of Flight; they hadn't been aware of the Foynes project.

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[Bjoern]

Or EE Canberras, for god's sake....and yet STILL no proper FSX-native B-57B, C, E to be seen....

Ask Virtavia.

[ViperPilot2]

The issue is that as I run FsX in Dx10 an Fs9 model would not work well in Dx10. Maybe when we finally get Steve Parsons Dx10 fixer program, an Fs9 model might not look so bad? If that were the case I would try an install of the Pilots B314 that I still have on disk somewhere.

Roger,

Ahhh, I understand.

At a flea market recently I picked up a collection of Airpower magazines from 1977, and at that time they did a series of articles on the Boeing 314, with tons of photos showing Assembly and Testing, including several tail configurations (single and twin tails ala B-24/25) until deciding on the tri tail config.

BTW... have you ever read The Long Way Home (http://www.amazon.com/The-Long-Way-Home-Dover/dp/061521472X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378741331&sr=8-1&keywords=the+long+way+home+ed+dover), by Ed Dover? An awesome read about Robert Ford's around the World trip in NC18602.

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[srgalahad]

Wouldn't it be nice, along with the 314, to have a detailed scenery of the LaGuardia Marine Terminal: "the only active airport terminal dating from the first generation of passenger travel in the United States—the "Golden age of the flying boat."

http://airchive.com/html/airplanes-and-airports/new-york-laguardia-airport-terminal-photos-planespotting-and-history-queens-new-york-usa/7

[ColoKent]

Ask Virtavia.

Already did...quite some time ago....was told basically: "There will be no FSX upgrade for the B-57 like we did for the EE Canberra".

i like how you think, though!

Regards,

Kent

[FAC257]

At last year's fly-in at our local grass airstrip, I saw this old gentleman sitting under this small tent with pictures of flying boats. He was sitting there basically by himself with no one looking at his stuff. I had to know, so I stopped and introduced myself and started talking to him.

His name is Bill Nash and retired not far south of here. He started flying clippers for PanAm back in 1942. By the time he finally retired he was flying 727's. While driving away, after looking at the aircraft that had arrived, I couldn't help thinking about all the folks walking past living history and not even taking the time to talk to him.

http://imageshack.us/a/img20/5719/qy8z.jpg

BTW, Doing a search on "Bill Nash, Flying Boats, Clipper Ships" etc., will turn up some cool info on him and pictures in his youthful days as a pilot.


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[ColoKent]

...a highly detailed 314 would be AWESOME!

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[CWOJackson]

At last year's fly-in at our local grass airstrip, I saw this old gentleman sitting under this small tent with pictures of flying boats. He was sitting there basically by himself with no one looking at his stuff. I had to know, so I stopped and introduced myself and started talking to him.

His name is Bill Nash and retired not far south of here. He started flying clippers for PanAm back in 1942. By the time he finally retired he was flying 727's. While driving away, after looking at the aircraft that had arrived, I couldn't help thinking about all the folks walking past living history and not even taking the time to talk to him.

http://imageshack.us/a/img20/5719/qy8z.jpg

BTW, Doing a search on "Bill Nash, Flying Boats, Clipper Ships" etc., will turn up some cool info on him and pictures in his youthful days as a pilot.


FAC

Fascinating man (thanks for the post).

I did the search you suggested and it sounds like he was one of the pilots who continued flying Clippers during the war.

Juan Trippe created something unique with the early Pan Am. The Long Way Home (book recommended by ViperPilot2) provides a very good explanation of the special relationship that Pan Am had with it's pilots and other employees. The exploits they had getting their people out of harms way, and seconding many of them and their aircraft/materials to the military, makes interesting ready.

Whenever I see an old timer at an air show I make sure to stop. I had the pleasure of spending some enjoyable time with George Gay at a Wright-Patt airshow in the mid 80's.

[Naismith]

I was going to say, then I realised I'm in the FSX forum not FS2004. Though I seem to remember "Pilots" the folk who distributed 'Global Mesh' for 9 & X did a Clipper. No clue if it is still available or even if it would work in X.

Edit found it.
its really old now so unlikely to work in FSX

http://secure.simmarket.com/pilots-boeing-b314-the-clipper-online-v2.phtml

Plus looking links it seems any support it ever had has dried up.

[arrowmaker]

A couple of years ago I asked Mathijis Kok, of Aerosoft, if there was any chance of Aerosoft doing a Boeing 314, in the same vein as their Catalina. He stated that although he personally loved the plane he could not foresee Aerosoft producing such a model. Most simmers he believed bought simulations of aircraft that still existed in the real world. As there are no existing 314's he did not think it made sense, at least from a business viewpoint, to produce such a model.

[AndyG43]

As there are no existing 314's he did not think it made sense, at least from a business viewpoint, to produce such a model.

Well, none of the originals are still intact (but that may change) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_314#Survivors) but there is a very good full size replica at the Foynes Flying Boat Museum (http://www.flyingboatmuseum.com/b314_replica.html), a visit here is definitely on my to do list!

[Ferry_vO]

FsX would be a great platform for a new B314, with it's interior view options, realistic metal textures and more realistic engine management.

[OleBoy]

Sounds like someone here should consider learning Gmax. The 314 could be the subject while learning. Not that difficult. Then we would have an FSX native of the B314 :wiggle:

[Bjoern]

Sounds like someone here should consider learning Gmax. The 314 could be the subject while learning. Not that difficult. Then we would have an FSX native of the B314 :wiggle:

I'm so proud of you right now that I can't stop grinning. :icon_lol:

[OleBoy]

I'm so proud of you right now that I can't stop grinning. :icon_lol:

Whether you know this or not (I don't recall ever saying anything directly) you've been a part of the inspiration drive pool that's gotten me to where I am. Thank you for that.

[txnetcop]

Whether you know this or not (I don't recall ever saying anything directly) you've been a part of the inspiration drive pool that's gotten me to where I am. Thank you for that.

Like Bjoern, I am convinced you could do just about anything you put your mind to doing Amigo!
Ted

[Bjoern]

Whether you know this or not (I don't recall ever saying anything directly) you've been a part of the inspiration drive pool that's gotten me to where I am. Thank you for that.

Great, now I'm crying tears of joy. :icon_lol:

[OleBoy]

Great, now I'm crying tears of joy. :icon_lol:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1215/monkeystupid.gif :icon_lol:

[Bjoern]

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1215/monkeystupid.gif :icon_lol:

Well, that would at least help against the crying. :icon_lol:

[CanadaKen]

I'll bounce this to top of the thread. :D

I was the guy who begged Mike Stone to do his B314. I was the guy who begged Ken Mitchell to make that incredible 2D panel.
That was all for FS9. Lots of people helped with small tweaks to get the B314 flying in FSX. I even reworked the the B314
"air" file because the B314 flew too well. Back in the day as I understand it they could not carry a full passenger and fuel load.
Or if they did they flew hundreds of miles at 100' ASL to burn off fuel then slowly climbed.

Now I have moved to P3D and although the B314 flies in P3D there are some bugs.

I still think there are some "good guy" aircraft builders who may take on the project of tweaking Mike Stone's B314 for P3D.
It would mean Mike agreeing to it though. I know Mike is out there and I know a couple of guys are in touch with him.
I think Garry Smith the repainter may be in touch with Mike as that's where Mike's aircraft depository lives.

As for Aerosoft....they won't even take the time to make a P3D installer for the Catalina. I think it all comes down to "money".
I think sales of the PBY-5(a) were not as good as expected. I used the Estonian Migration tool to install the PBY-5 in P3D and
it seems to fly well.

Let's face it....FSers who like to take off and land on water only limit the market for these aircraft buiilders. :-(

Ken

[Bookman1960]

I've converted the old Pilots model of the Boeing 314 into FSX with minimal effort. The air file and some fiddling with contact points, prop textures, etc..but otherwise its a beautiful model.

The wonderful thing about the Pilots package was they include the early single and double tail variants.

I'm still editing the panel and interior views options but at present, I can enjoy the lovely old ladies externally.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27595&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27596&stc=1



http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27598&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27599&stc=1

[Bookman1960]

Here's a few more of the models (they included the entire fleet in their package)

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27601&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27602&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27603&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27600&stc=1

[vortex]

I've converted the old Pilots model of the Boeing 314 into FSX with minimal effort. The air file and some fiddling with contact points, prop textures, etc..but otherwise its a beautiful model.

The wonderful thing about the Pilots package was they include the early single and double tail variants.

I'm still editing the panel and interior views options but at present, I can enjoy the lovely old ladies externally.

I loved the Pilot's 314 in FS9. I had heard that it couldn't be made to work in FSX. Have you got the engineers panel working? It was quite an impressive piece of gauge programming for its day. Will you be sharing the tweaks when you've finished? I'm a big flying boat fan and I'd love to get it flying again in FSX.

[CanadaKen]

I've converted the old Pilots model of the Boeing 314 into FSX with minimal effort. The air file and some fiddling with contact points, prop textures, etc..but otherwise its a beautiful model.

The wonderful thing about the Pilots package was they include the early single and double tail variants.

I'm still editing the panel and interior views options but at present, I can enjoy the lovely old ladies externally.

Well done, Lad!!! What do you have to change for the prop textures?

Ken

[Daveroo]

id love to have this as well if it can be flown from the VC?....

[thunder100]

I bought it recently for 10 bucks and converted to FSX as well.Apart the FDE easy to convert

And yes you can fly from VC but of course only few things are clickable.Even the Treasure Island scenery works somehow in FSX

Roland

[napamule]

I have Mike Stone's B-314 Clipper in FSX Accel and can make the FDEs avail (via email) if you want to try them. I zip files and attach to email starting tomorrow (15Aug26) due to 'real' life. This saves lots of trouble. My email is 'cbackus3' at 'att dot net'. I don't care if your model is payware but the FDEs are only for your own personal use and can't be attached to any payware models or pay to download files type web sites.
Chuck B
Edit: Mike's model is from 2005. The FDEs are from June 2015 so are recent.Boeing B-314 Clipper, in FSX Accel, 15Jun08, (3:15). YouTube Link: http://youtu.be/F1NB2aQXggc