Flight1 Super King Air B200 Released!

[Ark]

Flight1 released their Super King Air yesterday. Suprised there is not mention of it here.

http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=f1b200fsx


It's a great add-on, from what little time I've had with it so far.

[ryanbatc]

I've had a lot more time with it now.

F1 Team is working on a few issues for a SP, most of them really minor from what I read.

t's got some hidden gems that make it stand out from the rest of the planes (I really mean that). F1 is seriously looking at the thing I wrote about at the start and I really appreciate it. This plane has a lot of character, and it's freeking fast which makes it fun to fly and also makes it the #1 plane in my hangar. Even my little Legacy hasn't gotten much lovin'. The glass haters should appreciate that this is still very much a "pilot's plane," - lots of switches to click and things to turn, things to watch. I know some wonder about the vertical part of the G1000 but I pride myself on being able to use simple math to calculate on my own what I'll need to meet altitude requirements. Even though I've griped about some things the VNAV part didn't really bother me too much with this and the Mustang. The FPS are much improved based on my personal testing from T182 and Mustang variants of the G1000. I sincerely appreciate that part they did to optimize it.

Since I now trust they are ironing out the few bugs I'd highly recommend this plane. Worst case scenario you'll return it within 30 days thanks to F1's kind return policy. It's a win win for us the customer...

[IanHenry]

Wow, that's a very expensive airplane, is it really worth the asking price? I'm not sure I could justify that sort of money for that aircraft, particularly with FTX Global just around the corner. And I don't suppose it will work in Prepar3D either.


Ian.

[ryanbatc]

They're ironing out a few bugs but yes it's worth it. You can read about their P3D stance in their simforums. 30 day return policy too. You can't lose.

[wapanomi]

Yes ! I was lacking a decent B200 since I left my beloved aeroworx on FS9. The Turbine Duke was a consolation, but the Duke is not a King... The other models recently published don't give the same interest that a good system modelisation gives. I can say now that my waiting has ended : this one flies well, is interesting to manage (the systems + the damage and wear modelisation) and have a better look than the others... Frankly, try it, with the money back guarantee, you will not loose your time.

[strykerpsg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lw5CTLxYvE&sns=em

[bstolle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lw5CTLxYvE&sns=em

erm....http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?79961-F1-B200-King-Air-promo-video

Looking at this http://forum.avsim.net/topic/408879-what-is-the-best-twin/page-6#entry2717878 thread at AVSIM there seems to be a strange problem with the prop/torque relationship... post #133

[ryanbatc]

Meh.... not sure much can be done about that... plus that goes beyond my scope of knowledge...

[DX-FMJ]

Anyone tried it in P3D yet?

[ryanbatc]

Doubt it will work... They don't like their stuff in P3D.

[Gdavis101]

Doubt it will work... They don't like their stuff in P3D.

Hmm.. Wish they did!

[andersel]

Only a personal opinion, but there hasn't been and won't ever be an FS model worth $60.00.

LA

[Timbohobo]

Way too expensive for an addon aircraft

[pilottj]

Yeah it is certainly on the steep side, tho Accusim aircraft work out to about 50 bucks a pop, PMDG tubliners are usually around 80. Judging from the 777 fervor over at Avsim, I bet PMDG will make a nice profit. Whether it is worth it or not, that's certainly up to the simmer, but I think the sheer amount of research and programming that goes into each of these ultra complex simulations such as your Accusim warbirds and PMDG tubes does add up.


Personally I will probably will return my F1 King Air, I might hold out until this SP is released provided it is before my 30 purchase mark. Not returning it because it is a bad airplane, on the contrary it is an excellent airplane, perfect for someone who wants a very systems deep King Air. Just for me it doesn't quite fit my FS personality while the already pretty nice Turbine Duke fits very well. I need to be able to get out of the Darrington, Concrete, Harvey Field type <2500' strips @ with full fuel, which the B200 is a little too big for. Now, if F1 does an F-90, I might be all over that lol.

I look forward to the Milviz Mu-2 and the Razbam Merlin III. I also read somewhere on Avsim that RealAir will be updating the Dukes, possibly to their Legacy standards.


Cheers
TJ

[ryanbatc]

Only a personal opinion, but there hasn't been and won't ever be an FS model worth $60.00.

LA

What should it be worth to you?

Just curious?... What's your personal max you'll pay?

[strykerpsg]

erm....http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?79961-F1-B200-King-Air-promo-video

Oops! Got a bit excited when I saw what it was capable of and not sure how I missed the original posting.

[gman5250]

IMHO,

Price point. Compared to other aircraft in it's price bracket, this seems like a reasonably priced offering. The bar seems to be inching up with every high end release. Personally, I would ultimately not balk at the price, although I would do some serious shopping prior to spending the $$$.

Considering the R&D costs to produce a project at this level the asking price seems fair. The cost benefit analysis is pretty straight forward. Sixty bucks may buy you and the wife a reasonable dinner out. The same sixty bucks can deliver many hours of aviation enjoyment. My suggestion..spend $120 and fly in peace. :173go1:

There are still some great sleepers out there for much less for those who are inclined in that direction.

This beauty will probably end up in my hangar at some point, the question is do I really need three Kings anywhere but Texas hold'em? I've been promising myself a little present in the near future. It's nice to have additional choices.

[luckydog]

I'm pretty happy with my Carenado B200. Flies great in P3D.......

[ncooper]

Only a personal opinion, but there hasn't been and won't ever be an FS model worth $60.00.

LA

Majestic Software Dash 8 Q400=$60 and worth every cent.

Regards,
Nick

[ce_zeta]

About the addon cost, words and words was written in many forums around the net. here my two cents.

Surely F1 B200 is a great addon, a great aircraft like F1 Citation Mustang (i'm flying the mustang since 2009).

Now i will try to explain why the F1 b200 is too expensive.
The cost of an addon is determined "by the market" (offer and demand) . It's time to do a little review of the market. I made the review only ofr airliners....yeah i know the b200 isn't an airliner, but the Airliner's market is the top of the market. With this reference we can decide if the addon price is high or low. All this reasoning is based on the next idea, More complex, more expensive.

Airliners:

PMDG MD-11 79,99$ PDMG product website (http://www.precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/md11.html)
FLIGHTSIMLABS CONCORDE X 65,61$ FSIMLABS product website (http://www.flightsimlabs.com/aircraft/concorde-x/) original price 49,95€
PMDG 737NGX 69,99$ PDMG product website (http://www.precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/ngx8900.html)
IFLY (FLIGHT1) 737NG 54,95$ FLIGHT1 product website (http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=iflyfsx)
AEROSOFT A320 EXT 43,03$ AEROSOFT product website (http://www.aerosoft.com/cgi-local/us/iboshop.cgi?showd490%210,6510016290,12065)
LEONARDO MADDOG SP2 52,53$ FLYTHEMADDOG website (http://www.flythemaddog.com/) original price 39,99€
SIMCHECK A300B4 40,87$ AEROSOFT product website (http://www.aerosoft.com/cgi-local/us/iboshop.cgi?showd,6510016290,11145)
MAJESTIC Q400 PILOT 65,61$ MAJESTIC product website (http://majesticsoftware.com/mjc8q400/products.html) original price 49,95€
PMDG J-41 44,95$ PDMG product website (http://www.precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/js4100.html)
QUALITY WINGS 146 (F1) 47,99$ FLIGHT1 product website (http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=qw146fsx)
COOLSKY (FLIGHT1) DC-9 47,95$ FLIGHT1 product website (http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=uadc9classic)


Notes: Prices at 2013/07/20. All prices from original developer or vendor (not resellers). All prices for FSX downloaded version.

We should consider many variables in the final price....for example, in the airliners category a glass cockpit is very more complex to simulate than an older as dC-9 classic, logically a NGX should be more expensive than a DC-9 Classic. Aans, of course, the price of an addon (or other thing) descent with the time (the price of the FSL Concorde is very cheap today)...

We made a little review of airliners market to remark that F1 B200 is too expensive. An airliner is bigger, heavier and more complex than a King Air, or other GA aircraft.

[wapanomi]

Thank you for searching those prices. But since I fly intensively five of these add-ons and having now more than 20 hours with the B200 the comparison leads me to the opposite conclusion : the price is high but match the quality if you compare with the other products...

That said, I don't understand the purpose of the discussion : if you find it too expensive, spare your money. If not, fly this excellent plane and pay the people who worked to make it. That's very simple.

Coming from Gran Canaria, with stop in Rota and Annecy. Great fly, 6 hours of realistic flying and discovery of the documentation and the highly valuable informations of people who know the plane and speak about the add-on. Then landing in Courchevel this evening. Real (perfect) weather. Courchevel is always a challenge, but this plane flies very well. Thanks to flight1, certainly one of the best trip I've made on FS these last years.

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[ryanbatc]

I don't know the details but I'm willing to bet Jim from F1 would say the G1000 programming was more complex than the NGX's glass portions.

Additionally (this is totally my own theory) they may be trying to recooperate some cost from the Textron royalties for their Cessna based products. I don't think Raytheon received any royalties from this production but I'm not positive.

Plus it also has some maintenance stuff and additional features. The price is up there but fair from my experience with it do far.

[spotlope]

Thank you for searching those prices. But since I fly intensively five of these add-ons and having now more than 20 hours with the B200 the comparison leads me to the opposite conclusion : the price is high but match the quality if you compare with the other products...

That said, I don't understand the purpose of the discussion : if you find it too expensive, spare your money. If not, fly this excellent plane and pay the people who worked to make it. That's very simple.

Coming from Gran Canaria, with stop in Rota and Annecy. Great fly, 6 hours of realistic flying and discovery of the documentation and the highly valuable informations of people who know the plane and speak about the add-on. Then landing in Courchevel this evening. Real (perfect) weather. Courchevel is always a challenge, but this plane flies very well. Thanks to flight1, certainly one of the best trip I've made on FS these last years.



These shots are fantastic! I was already wanting the B200, but these make me want all those sceneries as well.

[wapanomi]

A flight like this is the reason why we spend time and money to find and try the work of talented guys like you. So, thanks for the appreciation ! The shots are raw, FS is not. The most notable add-ons are France VFR Rhone alpes photoreal (no autogen) and Courchevel of LLH simulation (Meribel is on the other side of the same moutain, so consider buying the bundle). The region is wonderful, the perfect place to fly around.

[warchild]

I don't know the details but I'm willing to bet Jim from F1 would say the G1000 programming was more complex than the NGX's glass portions.


Personally, i doubt that. When PMDG released the 737 NGX we had a pilot from South African airlines and post his exact procedures for a flight from i think johannesbourgh to somewhere north. Every switch every dial, every check mark and procedure was documented for us. i still have the collection of those posts btw.. The result was that many of us wanted to see if PMDG was blowing sunshine or not so we decided to duplicate the guys flight. Everything he recorded and reported on the bridge of the real 737 was right there on the PMDG. Every instrument, every switch, does exactly what the boeing pilot manuals says their supposed to do, when they're supposed to do it.. No, the G1000 is a walk in the park compared to what they did with the NGX.. I've never seen anything so bloody detailed as that thing. Not even other PMDG's..

[ce_zeta]

Thank you for searching those prices. But since I fly intensively five of these add-ons and having now more than 20 hours with the B200 the comparison leads me to the opposite conclusion : the price is high but match the quality if you compare with the other products...

That said, I don't understand the purpose of the discussion : if you find it too expensive, spare your money. If not, fly this excellent plane and pay the people who worked to make it. That's very simple.

We are discussing, chatting about the Flight1 King Air FS Addon...One dude advice about the release, other folks like you write your impressions...others talk about the price. The product is all, 3D model, texture, gauges, manuals and price.

Fantastic if you are very satisfied (B200 have quality, it's obviously) but please not see any critic as an attack. The price is a weakness of the product.
F1 B200 is superb, textures, 3D model, Flight model...and as I said i'm a proud owner of a F1 Citation Mustang since 2009. But the market said thaht other developers offer more at lower prices.

Enjoy!

[Kiwikat]

The price is up there but fair from my experience with it so far.

I would agree with this. As far as GA turboprops go, it is #1. You will pay a lot of money for the #1 in any category of FS addon.

[expat]

Any repaints out for this yet? Also i see F1 has closed their support forum to "registered purchasers." I think I know commercially why they would want to do this but the non-visibility of user comments that it leads to is not making this potential owner rush to buy it. IMHO this tactic risks being self defeating re potential sales as having user comments - not just the dev's marketing page and patter - is a normal and expected part of any e-commerce business today. Grateful therefore for this thread and its helpful feedback.

[ryanbatc]

No paint kit released yet

[thunder100]

I am a Beech fan

I own Carnado C90,the Realair Duke,the PMDG B1900's and the old Aeroworx B200 as well as the Freeware AFG etc

Sorry I cannot see 60 bucks with just the Garmin for it

And although the Carenado is VERY GOOD it just lives up to the FS9 port to FSX Aeroworks exteriors once you get the Panels going


My 5 Cents


Roland

[ryanbatc]

Well there's the maintenance module, failures, safe taxi, highly functional systems... You're paying for all that added stuff and in the realm of PMDG, Majestic etc

They have a 30 day return policy too

[expat]

it just lives up to the FS9 port to FSX Aeroworks exteriors once you get the Panels going

Never have found anything quite like the Aeroworx to match immersion, startup sequence, systems and failures. Exterior model is perfect from all angles and beats other freeware models, eg AFG and IDFT etc. Hoping this might be its match.

[ryanbatc]

I found this to be about on par with the Aeroworx version. I ran the port for a while but the fps were dramatically low in FSX.

[thunder100]

If you modify the VC with more modern gauges (Off PMDG in my case) Aeroworx FPS run 32-35

Anyway hard to get by in these days i think and VC in the new ones is better

Roland

[ryanbatc]

FWIW Milviz is doing a king air 350i one with the pro line 21 and one with traditional 6 pack.

[expat]

I tried tweaking for hours a ported AWX B200 but there seems no way around the loss of functions and related clickspots to make it free enough of annoyances to be worth the effort.

For me the B350 is a bit too much aircraft and into commuter size equipment. I want to squeeze in and out of approx 2400' runways like I can with F1's PC-12 (my current favorite turboprop) with the added authority (and operating costs!) of this handsome fast twin.

[ryanbatc]

If you don't mind the glass I think this is the plane for you. With the Blackhawk engine mods I frequently get speeds in excess of 310 KTAS in the lower FL's. I do push the engines hard but the gauges are in the green and usually I'm following the perf tables (yes a nice set included).