RAZBAM announces the Harrier Gr.7/Gr.9

[ZEUS67]

Folks, be advised that we have released the 2nd volume in the Harrier saga: The Harrier GR.7/GR.9

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The aircraft is a totally different model than the AV8B Harrier II Plus.

Product Page (http://www.razbamsims.com/bae_harrierii_gr79.html)
Store Page (http://www.razbamsims.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=82)

The package includes a VC-10 K3 tanker AI aircraft so you can practice air to air refueling.

Regards

Zeus67

[hae5904]

For the 13 liveries included see following link : http://www.razbamsims.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=332


Cheers,
Hank

[DagR]

Just got it, WOW!! And superb paints Hank :-)


Best
DagR

[wapanomi]

Great news ! Congratulations to the team !

[peter12213]

Just got her, tonight should be fun!

[IanHenry]

Hi,
before I buy the new Harrier, can you tell me if its the same installer for Prepar3D or is that one a separate purchase? The product page mentions P3D, but doesn’t give you the option to buy it. I've already posted this on Razbam's forum, but I can't wait for their reply. I have never got the AV8B to work in Prepar3D, I have problems with the loadout screen, despite copying the relevent lines in the DLL file from FSX to Prepar3D.

Regards,
Ian.

[DaveWG]

Almost afraid to ask this, but how is the flight model, and in paticular the VTOL solution?

[peter12213]

It's similar to the last "B+" variant, extremely tricky to master Dave.

[hae5904]

It's similar to the last "B+" variant, extremely tricky to master Dave.

But practice makes perfect ! :salute:

Cheers,
Hank

[DaveWG]

I didn't get the AV-8B, but will probably get this one. I don't mind it being tricky, as long as it is capable and realistic.

[dvj]

Nice! Definatley added to my list. Currently waiting on the GeeBee.

[peter12213]

But practice makes perfect ! :salute:

Cheers,
Hank

Indeed mate lots of it haha.

[Prowler1111]

gents


A superb video showing some multiplayer fun (and great sounds too!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... txPbq9a_Ec (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OtxPbq9a_Ec)

Kudos to Military Sounds Studios

Ron

[kdfw]

are there any videos of vertical takeoff and/or landing? i've read some are having problems with this aspect of flight, if proficient, how does it look? like to get the usmc version but still on the fence...

[DaveWG]

Started on a repaint...

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Overall, nice model :salute:

I spend a lot of yesterday flying the Harrier. The VTOL isn't bad, takeoff & transition to forward flight is OK, but occasionally the aircraft pitches up a bit around 90 to 100kts. Disabling Accu-feel seemed to help a bit here. Slowing down to the hover is a bit fiddly and it does tend to drop like a stone if you're not careful, but that's not intended as a criticism of the flight model, just needs practice is all.

[hae5904]

The paint looks nice Dave ! :salute:

About the pitching up issue, I use less than 60 degrees nozzles untill I get below 80 KIAS (starting gently from 0 degrees and gradually move to about 50, but around 60 when speed is BELOW 80 kts), only then the pitching up is neglectable.
With this procedure it is also be possible to finally end up in a hover with no forward speed, I do it constantly, though I'd flown a lot with both Harriers when working the textures, but it sure gives the user a complety new learning curve experience to FSX. My advice..." practice makes perfect." :applause:

Cheers,
Hank

[DaveWG]

Another paint in progress...

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[ZsoltB]

Another paint in progress...

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Great work!
When will be available?

[DaveWG]

I'm not happy with the overall finish of the paint, so I haven't released it yet.

[wapanomi]

Take your time, it's wonderful !

[ZsoltB]

http://imageshack.us/a/img820/8227/86245904.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img822/9757/77021735.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img145/7577/87286271.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://imageshack.us/a/img801/1893/25102893.jpg

[ZsoltB]

Update released!

Our HarrierGR7/GR9 final (and only) update/upgrade is ready for download
All you have to do to get it, is to download all over again your purchase
Update includes a new British pilot, new flight manual, enhanced textures and some
invisible stuff.All download counts have been reset to zero
For new customers, your purchase from this minute on, is up to date
Enjoy!

http://imageshack.us/a/img692/1318/updateqnw.jpg

[DaveWG]

Thanks for the HU on the update. :salute:

Seems it's only been announced via Facebook as there is no sign of it on their webpage or forum, so non-Facebookers wouldn't know anything about it. :banghead:

[YoYo]

Id like to ask about this screenies with (British?) carrier with ramp.
Is it included in this package with Gr.7/9 or its a other addon?

http://asn.aerosoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/razbam_harrier/Ext7.jpg
http://asn.aerosoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/razbam_harrier/Ext10.jpg

[hschuit]

It is the Spanish Navy STOVL carrier R11 Principe de Asturias which is available as freeware at Simviation (http://simviation.com/1/browse-Misc-58-5)

[jagl04]

You can also find the R11 here at SOH downloads page, together with the LHD Juan Carlos I (FSX ships page)

[YoYo]

Ok, thx a lot! Noticed in manual different carrier with ramps too.

Any ideas? :jump:

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/5682/ee3l.jpg

[rgatkinson]

Another paint in progress...

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Did this repaint ever get finished and uploaded and, if so, where to? Looks amazing and would like to add it to my hanger :mixedsmi:

Taff

[YoYo]

My new video (as VSTOL landing tutorial) for Gr.7/Gr.9.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svrShTkxbcM

But better to see on YT as HD version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svrShTkxbcM .

[YoYo]

Ok, I finished the review about Harrier Gr.7 & Gr. 9 done by Razbam. Well done and very complex model with two FM's (practice makes perfect) - I like it very mutch (if You like DCS A-10C - perfect model to You too). Nice fps too (dont know why but for me better than AV-8B of R.). Near 60h on my flying clock with this bird.
For sure, it is in my native language but if You want please to use Google translator button. Many screenies too :cowboy: .

Direct link: http://yoyosims.pl/fsx-harrier-gr79-razbam , main: http://yoyosims.pl/

http://yoyosims.pl/sites/default/files/Obrazki/FSX/Harrier/Harrier-top.gif

[hae5904]

Thanks for the review YoYo!

Very well done, CHEERS !


לחיים
Hank

[letourn]

Someone know if it will be update to be Tacpack SDK compatible like the F-15E?

Thanks

[Victory103]

Nicely done YoYo, I have the US version (AV-8B) but found the review spot on. This helps me decide on how to do a review for another product (Cera H60), I do like how you incorporated screenshots to back up the text.

[merida72]

Ok, thx a lot! Noticed in manual different carrier with ramps too.

Any ideas? :jump:

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/5682/ee3l.jpg


HMS_Invincible

[ZsoltB]

Available 3D light effect the GR.7?

[YoYo]

Available 3D light effect the GR.7?

You thinking about 3D Redux lights? Didnt see it.

[ZsoltB]

You thinking about 3D Redux lights? Didnt see it.

I mean, 3D lights values

[hae5904]

Someone know if it will be update to be Tacpack SDK compatible like the F-15E?

Thanks


Well I guess that is why VRS mentiond them as being in the Tac Pack SDK beta.
Non the less, a DCS version is planned.

Cheers,
Hank

[letourn]

Thanks Hank..I knew about the DCS but did not know about the Tacpack Beta

[Deacon211]

Thanks for the review Yoyo.

To be fair, I think it's important to be clear that the RAZBAM Harrier is challenging to fly in the VSTOL regime for reasons other than the those which make the actual jet challenging...at least in part.

The shifts in the RAZBAM FM are a bit abrupt both in transition to semi-jetbourne flight and again when the aircraft slows to a hover. These transitions and the sensitivity of the thrust axis in vertical flight make the RAZBAM jet a bit more squirrelly than the aircraft.

Of course, the actual jet has other issues which make it challenging in other ways as is generally the case in comparing FSX to real flight.

The other thing that should be pointed out is that the systems modeling in the RAZBAM model is a fair approximation of the real jet, but at a fairly basic level. The article points out that 95% of the switches work (though this number would be lower if we included MPCD functionality) but that does not necessarily mean that the switches work quite as they do in the aircraft.

In the main this doesn't make a huge difference to the average flight simmer. After all, no FSXer should be too upset that the VRS switch doesn't allow you to select between recording the HUD or the MPCD...FSX doesn't record to videotape. The fact that the velocity vector in the HUD may sit above the horizon line while the VSI is indicating a descent, however, is a bit more vexing.

None of this should stop somebody from purchasing the RAZBAM Harrier (for the sake of disclosure I am making these comments about the AV-8B model though I'd be surprised if these issues didn't carry over to the GR.7/9). But I think that those considering paying for the model, should be fairly advised on what they are getting for their $40.

I apologize if I have misinterpreted something from the original review. I confess that my Polish (or Google's for that matter) is nowhere as good as Yoyo's English.

Deacon

[odourboy]

Recently bought this aircraft and in hopes that one of the more experienced users comes across this and can clarify the autopilot operation for me. It puzzles me:

I can't seem to get the AFC to reliably operate as described. Most of the time, it seems to have no effect (aircraft just wanders off course and would eventually crash if i let it). I have had it kick in on occasion though, then it works as advertised. Apparently contrary to the manual, the AFC switch appears to be a two position switch, not offering the momentary 'reset' position. It off position seems to be in the 'reset' position. It also doesn't seem to able to reset the SAS switches. Also, sometimes I seem to get the system into a state where it refuses to allow me to engage the AFC switch. Seems inconsistent. The ALT HOLD seems to work - and apparently somewhat independently of the AFC despite what the manual says.

I don't understand how it's integrated with the FSX Keyboard autopilot command. If the AFC switch is off, the keyboard shortcut doesn't move it. If it's on, the keyboard command turns it off. I don't get it?? :dizzy:

Is it me or the Harrier? Have I missed a patch or something?

Cheers!

[Deacon211]

Recently bought this aircraft and in hopes that one of the more experienced users comes across this and can clarify the autopilot operation for me. It puzzles me:

I can't seem to get the AFC to reliably operate as described. Most of the time, it seems to have no effect (aircraft just wanders off course and would eventually crash if i let it). I have had it kick in on occasion though, then it works as advertised. Apparently contrary to the manual, the AFC switch appears to be a two position switch, not offering the momentary 'reset' position. It off position seems to be in the 'reset' position. It also doesn't seem to able to reset the SAS switches. Also, sometimes I seem to get the system into a state where it refuses to allow me to engage the AFC switch. Seems inconsistent. The ALT HOLD seems to work - and apparently somewhat independently of the AFC despite what the manual says.

I don't understand how it's integrated with the FSX Keyboard autopilot command. If the AFC switch is off, the keyboard shortcut doesn't move it. If it's on, the keyboard command turns it off. I don't get it?? :dizzy:

Is it me or the Harrier? Have I missed a patch or something?

Cheers!


Hey Odourboy,

I only have the AV-8B, but mine seems to operate reliably. What I'm going to say is mostly about the aircraft, but may apply to the sim as well.

1. Do you have the three axis SAS switches on (fwd)? I don't think the A/P will work at all if these are off.

2. Do you have the INS switch in NAV or IFA? A/P will not work without the INS.

3. In the aircraft, the AFC switch will really put you in a sort of "Attitude Hold" mode. No heading hold mode exists in the AV-8B, though the A/P will roll wings level if you are banked 5 deg or less. I believe the AFC will hold any AOB up to 60 deg.

4. The RESET position on the AFC switch IRL will reset the SAAHS which is a momentary spring loaded position to reset the software and would really have no function in the sim. Two positions in FSX will give you full functionality in FSX since the SAAHS will never fail.

5. Incidentally, many of the spring loaded "temporary" switch positions in the RAZBAM Harrier will not work as they do in the plane. However, you really don't lose any functionality, so it would have mostly been unnecessary fluff for them to be modeled.

6. The SAS switches are of the lever locked variety which means that you pull them up over a lip when you switch them. They will not "spring off" when you turn the AFC switch off, so you may be looking for something that isn't there in that regard.


On a completely separate note, I often seem to have weird switch anomalies in the more complex aircraft in FSX. I don't know if the sim runs out of CPU cycles or what, but I have shared your pain. You might wish to try contacting RAZBAM with your receipt for the latest version and reinstalling. I have found that this sometimes "heals" a cranky aircraft in FSX.

Deacon



EDIT: Actually, I take it back. I think I see what you are saying. When I have the Attitude Hold switch off, the AFC doesn't do a very good job of holding attitude. I'm getting a slow roll into the turn when I put the aircraft in an AOB.

It seems like the aircraft is trying to demonstrate the attitude hold function, but can't quite get the authority to counter the roll.

So it seems that this function may not work as it does in the plane. To be honest, I'm not aware of any FSX planes that really pull off the attitude hold thing so this may be a hurdle that the developer may not have been able to surmount. Truly, it doesn't work great in the aircraft either and most guys I knew didn't use it much. The altitude hold worked like a champ, though pretty rudimentarily, as there was no altitude capture, vert speed, etc.

Even the "heading hold" was just a wing leveler, so the plane would drift a bit and you would need to manually reset the heading yourself.

[odourboy]

Hi Deacon,

Thanks for taking the time to provide such a comprehensive reply to my questions... and actually going back to the sim and trying some things for yourself. Most appreciated.

I went back also and tried it again after reading your reply. Yes- SAS switches were all on. The INS switch in NAV or IFA - well sometimes it was... that was part of my problem. I was flipping it around trying to get AFC to work. The other part of my problem appears to be some sort of integration issue with FSX keyboard commands. The AFC function does not seam to play nicely with the FSX autopilot keyboard commands. I think it throws it out of sync with the AFC switch position. Anyway, I was able to get fairly consistent Attitude hold when I got the INS switch in a suitable position and stopped flicking the autopilot on and off through the keyboard command (which is programmed into my HOTAS, so that's why I kept trying to use it). ALT HOLD was fine and still is.

Anyway, thanks for your help. I think I have it sorted. I'm happy to get this functioning because with the somewhat inherent instability of the Harrier, I like to flip on the AFC so I can attend to other work rather than having to constantly fly the plane.

Cheers!

[Deacon211]

Having been a relative latecomer to Payware aircraft and the complexity some of them achieve, I'd personally advise against using the stock FSX commands for anything that isn't expressly stated in the manual.

Not too often, but often enough to be annoying, using an FSX keyboard shortcut will really throw a monkey wrench into the aircraft designer's attempt to model much more than what the basic FSX function provides.

:)

Deacon