T-28?

[skyhawka4m]

Just wanted to start a new thread on the coming T-28...any news?


I'm not sure why but I have always liked taking static screen shots and I wish we could get the dev's to do the little things like a helmet placed on a canopy ledge or even on the lip of the windsreen......just to add to the dynamic of being parked waiting for the pilot. Section8 did this with their F-86 and always thought it was an awesome touch. Not the pilots helmet sitting in between the front and back seats and also on the front dash here.

In the meantime.....this would be a cool scheme for it....

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[falcon409]

Ya never know. . .as customers seem to expect more and more detail with every passing release we might eventually see a scenario where AI Crew Chiefs and Assistants will be "called" (much like fuel trucks now) to the aircraft and go through simulated "Ops" checks (hand signals for engine start, brake checks, sync checks, checking fluid pressures and control surface checks). . . .then at a certain point (probably another keystroke or button) they will marshal the aircraft out, pop a salute and disappear, lol. Anything is possible!!:salute:

[Odie]

Ed, I remember Microprose's F-14 Fleet Defender sim had animated cat directors/officers that gave you the hand-signals for the cat launches (I think it was FD, correct me if I'm wrong). Excellent sim for the day. Drove across Dallas to a Best Buy that still had one in stock the day it came out.

[Bone]

There does come a point whereby adding in the micro-detail becomes a bit much. Not every pilot puts his helmet on the glare shield, or on the canopy rail, ect. In fact, it's advised that you don't do these things because heat from the sun can warp the helmet. Modelling a plane with the helmet resting on the glareshield may actually be less real. One guy might do it, but he may be the exception, not the rule. Another detail that gets alot of 'want' are instrument glass smudges. Some here think that makes the model more real. Well, it's true that all instrument glass and window glass will get smudged by fingers, hands, and foreheads, but they don't stay that way very long. Most smudges get wiped off as soon as they're noticed, especially a forehead print on the side windows, or a palm print on an MFD. There are a few models with a ridiculous amount of glass smudging, which to me is totally NOT real, because I can't wipe the darn things off. I can understand why some would want more and more and more detail in these models, but in the end it won't make the sim any more real.

[skyhawka4m]

I just think having that option to turn it on or off , just like not having pilots sitting in a plane that has all its plugs and chocks, many dev's for some reason continue to do this, I think that would be awesome.....but then thats just me.

[PRB]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes clean glass, both windows and instrument faces, :) Another reason crews were "encouraged" to not stack stuff up on the glare shield was to avoid scratching the wind shield glass. At least I think I remember that from my past life as a navy jet maintainer...

- Paul

[Bone]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes clean glass, both windows and instrument faces, :) Another reason crews were "encouraged" to not stack stuff up on the glare shield was to avoid scratching the wind shield glass. At least I think I remember that from my past life as a navy jet maintainer...

- Paul

you are absolutely spot on.

[strikehawk]

Running and working in W/C 310 in my Navy life meant that the windscreen and canopy would be kept clean at all times the bird was on the ground. As soon as one of our Hueys in HAL-5 shut down we were on it doing the Daily and Turnaround inspections. One of the things we would do was to leave the cockpit glass with a film of canopy cleaner. I know that it was not SOP in most squadrons but the stuff kept the glass safe until it was wiped off when we went out to preflight the helo. As for the helmets, in 20 years I have never witnessed a helmet left anywhere in a cockpit UNLESS the pilot was getting ready to launch. When it comes to smudges on instruments and MFDs the biggest offenders would have to be the maintainers as the pilots would normally have gloves on.

I just want to have a cockpit that I can read with no fingerprints, no smudges and please no FOD. Some of the things that are put in the pit of a Navy aircraft in FSX would have had me seething back in the day.

[Bone]

I just think having that option to turn it on or off , just like not having pilots sitting in a plane that has all its plugs and chocks, many dev's for some reason continue to do this, I think that would be awesome.....but then thats just me.

I know, you were just stating a preference, which I totally understand. My view on these models is that a dev should be carefull in how far they go with the detail. Most simmers have a list of micro-details they'd like to see in a model, but if you put them all together the model would never get finished...or even be remotely realistic.

[falcon409]

I agree completely with the "no smudges" concept. My scenario was a bit extreme, but as I said. . .who knows what will be possible down the road, especially if P3D continues to expand. From a Military Specialists point of view, the consensus here is spot on, any smudges, smears, bugs, etc., were probably removed at post flight before the aircraft was closed up for the day, or especially if there was a second engine start happening. Also, every morning pre-flight involved cleaning everything all over again, lol, so anything that didn't get the proper housekeeping the night before, got it before first engine start in the morning. Nothing would be more irritating to a pilot than smudges or left-over bug remnants on the transparency. . .especially if it was within range of the HUD. As for the helmet question. . .I thought the Section8 take on the parachute and helmet was pretty innovative, for it's time. . .now-a-days, from my experience, the pilots come out of ops, walk over to Life Support, lace up the G-suit, get their helmets checked, and either get picked up by the line chief (if he's feeling generous) or they walk out to the line to their aircraft. Helmets aren't normally something that's there waiting on the pilot. Pilots may keep them in their helmet bags until they're in the seat or hand them to the Crew Chief as he walks up who sets it on his toolbox, or, like one pilot I remember. . . .he came out of Life Support with his helmet on and visor down and never took it off, even after the flight, he made his write-ups in the forms and walked back to Life Support still wearing his helmet with the visor down, lol.

Having said all that, that's my Military experience, 26 years of Fighters, every day. The civilian side may not be, probably isn't, as "anal", lol. . .but I still think the requests for dirty windows, gauges, etc. . .may come from folks who have not spent as much time around aircraft, both civilian and military as some others have. That's not a slap at every person who thinks that stuff is necessary, but I think that's partly why it is requested sometimes. As a general rule, it is not the "norm" and I think it should be something that developers start looking at leaving off the list of "expected details".

[falcon409]

Almost forgot. . . .one other reason you never put a helmet on the Canopy sill. . .if he happened to put it on the right side Canopy sill and the Canopy switch is located on the right side. . .lol. . . .one well-meaning Asst CC figured he'd close the Canopy to help the Crew Chief wrap things up. From the ground, he couldn't see the helmet. . .down came the Canopy, damaging not only the helmet, but also the Canopy Actuator. . .causing the aircraft to miss an afternoon sortie because there wasn't a replacement actuator on-base. There were a lot of upset folks that day. That's a no-no, lol.