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Bomber_12th
January 24th, 2013, 19:10
Just some screens with a variety of Mustangs hanging out over/near Edwards AFB. These particular aircraft are all included in Flight Store's recently released boxed set. Larger versions of the screenshots can be seen by clicking on them and viewing them in "view all sizes" on my Flickr page.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8045/8413382860_8fc53acf99_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8413382860/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8514/8412284265_44fd2536c6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8412284265/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8326/8413382820_42a245fdbc_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8413382820/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8503/8412284235_7d3417e35c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8412284235/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8475/8412284225_0735d8e207_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8412284225/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8184/8412284201_0de2f34f7c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8412284201/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8095/8412284187_1ea3c1fa23_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8412284187/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8474/8413382758_d2ebf444b5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8413382758/)

TuFun
January 24th, 2013, 19:35
One of my favorites... Princess Elizabeth... C models tend to be the most I love to fly John!!!

fsxar177
January 24th, 2013, 20:11
Nice post! Always good to see those stangs against a desert, or cloudy backdrop!

Joseph

skyhawka4m
January 24th, 2013, 20:34
can't wait for those updated B and C models I see there!!! SWEEETT!!!! :salute:

falcon409
January 24th, 2013, 21:10
John, were there any liveries done in the polished aluminum for the "Little Friends" Series?

roger-wilco-66
January 24th, 2013, 22:32
*sigh*
I love these older birdcage Mustangs. One of these days I'll go and buy the WBS package.

Cheers,
Mark

FentiFlier1
January 24th, 2013, 23:38
Patiently waiting for the updated B/C Mustang. And the Apache.

But I'm having a hard time keeping the Warbirdsim Airacobra off my mind!
Last week the primary school kids I teach really wanted me to draw a plane (vehicles were the day's theme). So I drew them an airacobra... with "warbirdsim" written on it... :icon_eek:

Owen.

roger-wilco-66
January 25th, 2013, 01:03
Patiently waiting for the updated B/C Mustang. And the Apache.

But I'm having a hard time keeping the Warbirdsim Airacobra off my mind!
Last week the primary school kids I teach really wanted me to draw a plane (vehicles were the day's theme). So I drew them an airacobra... with "warbirdsim" written on it... :icon_eek:

Owen.

Updated WBS B/C Mustang?? Did I miss something?
*rofl* on drawing the P-39D (with the right insignia) :-)

Cheers,
Mark

Bomber_12th
January 25th, 2013, 05:57
Hey guys,

The P-51B/C's seen in the screenshots (as well as the others) were updated when being worked on to be included in the boxed product that is available, right now, from Flight Store: http://www.flightstore.co.uk/flight-simulation-c8/military-add-ons-c187/historic-aircraft-add-ons-c424/mustang-collection-for-fsx-p3636

Although no major updates, they have spec maps added (really shows the most on "Princess"), new pilots, prop blades, wheels/tires, drop tanks, a collimated gun sight reticule, and a few other odds and ends thrown in. All of the P-51D/K's and F-6D included, except for the NACA and Cavalier models, are updated with gun bays (those that didn't have them already before), while all of them have new pilots, new prop blades, new textures, etc. - just because, as I say, given the time that we had to put it together for Flight Store, it allowed me to do some extra things with these aircraft, which otherwise have all been released before, through seperate products.

The P-39 is highest on my list of projects to get done as soon as possible, and I've greatly appreciated all of the very kind messages I have received in regards to that project! I was just thinking the other day that it will be cool, even if not on the right model (will have to settle for the P-39D as the earliest model to use), to have a paint-scheme reproduction of the YP-39, with its almost highly polished bare metal finish and early stars with the meatballs (given what can be accomplished with bare metal in FSX). I do, however, also really want to get some more fully updated P-51B/C's (and my P-51A and A-36 projects) released sometime this year.

Here are some more screens from the Flight Store boxed project, taken back while doing a lot of testing on the models in the sim. If you don't already own a bunch of Mustangs, I think the product offers a great deal, but if you do already have a few Mustang products (perhaps even quite a few), this one probably wouldn't offer enough new items to make it really worth it (its intention wasn't to supersede the previous Warbirdsim individual products, but just package select examples from each of the largest products together).

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8194/8413149571_7611608eaa_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8413149571/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8507/8414247694_5410cf716b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8414247694/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8324/8413149529_f4557391ec_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8413149529/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8184/8414247650_3d3640ed70_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8414247650/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8227/8414247630_857e9c1005_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8414247630/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8072/8413149487_e18f3918fa_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8413149487/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8044/8414247594_4e39552db6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8414247594/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8072/8413149453_ae2957118b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8413149453/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8232/8414247552_3cb6ee88f3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8414247552/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8511/8413149409_3cd777f288_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8413149409/)

MudMarine
January 25th, 2013, 06:02
Bright and shiny = Nice. But Dirty and Nasty wartime = Awesome!

Bomber_12th
January 25th, 2013, 06:05
John, were there any liveries done in the polished aluminum for the "Little Friends" Series?

Ed, I don't believe there has been, but I'm very encouraged to do so! I've got a few in mind, including a couple of restored examples which don't have historic schemes, but are very polished and look very attractive (I think), that I've had my eye on, which otherwise will likely never be done. I'll see what I can put together within a couple of weeks.

The effect, in part, is from the environmental map released at Avsim by Bob Rivera, filename "alternate_globalenvtest.zip" (I believe). I came to find this file when Dimus was working on his scenery of Fantasy of Flight, in which the windows depend on the use of one of Bob's environmental map textures. I have since tended to 'tune' the metal textures on all of my work since last summer (any kind of metal finish) to work well with that environmental map. It can be either dropped into an individual repaint/texture folder, or into the root FSX texture folder. The effect is really cool, I think.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8215/8414247540_86096991ae_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8414247540/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8324/8413149369_bf1e810e04_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8413149369/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8075/8414247472_ec147cc400_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8414247472/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8054/8413149297_609cc47279_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34363610@N08/8413149297/)

Bomber_12th
January 25th, 2013, 06:09
Bright and shiny = Nice. But Dirty and Nasty wartime = Awesome!

It's fun to mix between the two, and try to achieve both effects accurately (such as the sometimes fine line between making a matte metal finish still look like metal, rather than silver paint - and making silver paint look like silver paint, rather than bare metal). There is of course a whole variety of metal finishes, from matte, to clean, to polished, to highly polished. With as many variables as there are (between model settings, diffuse textures, diffuse alphas, spec maps, spec alphas. etc.) I don't know if it is possible to ever reach a point and be completely satisfied - you might be happy one week, only to find that you like it a bit more this way, rather than that, the next. ; )

Bomber_12th
January 25th, 2013, 06:21
BTW, if anyone wants a paintkit for the P-51B/C's for this product (with the spec map templates included), just let me know via PM. (Granted, they will only work on these models.) I still need to finish the updated texture templates for the P-51D/K/F-6D's.

wombat666
January 25th, 2013, 07:05
Bright and shiny = Nice. But Dirty and Nasty wartime = Awesome!

I'll go along with that 110%!:applause:
And forget the rest, just get the Allison powered early models done.

mohawk3
January 25th, 2013, 07:26
Hi,
What about the 'navalised' Mustang?It looked pretty ready for release...:)

Bomber_12th
January 25th, 2013, 08:08
Mohawk, that one will be out right around the corner (with a number of good surprises shaping up for it (even pulling a retiree back into developer mode!)) - the Navy modified Mustang will actually be just one of several unique 'themes' covered. A lot of testing has gone into ironing out the aircraft's carrier habbits, so that you will be able to operate it just as Bob Elder did, and get results that are just as satisfying - I think we are just about there.

mohawk3
January 25th, 2013, 10:54
Mohawk, that one will be out right around the corner (with a number of good surprises shaping up for it (even pulling a retiree back into developer mode!)) - the Navy modified Mustang will actually be just one of several unique 'themes' covered. A lot of testing has gone into ironing out the aircraft's carrier habbits, so that you will be able to operate it just as Bob Elder did, and get results that are just as satisfying - I think we are just about there.
Thank you,I have to say that since you've posted those pics I 'visit' them daily...

falcon409
January 25th, 2013, 11:08
Ed, I don't believe there has been, but I'm very encouraged to do so! I've got a few in mind, including a couple of restored examples which don't have historic schemes, but are very polished and look very attractive (I think), that I've had my eye on, which otherwise will likely never be done. I'll see what I can put together within a couple of weeks.

The effect, in part, is from the environmental map released at Avsim by Bob Rivera, filename "alternate_globalenvtest.zip" (I believe). I came to find this file when Dimus was working on his scenery of Fantasy of Flight, in which the windows depend on the use of one of Bob's environmental map textures. I have since tended to 'tune' the metal textures on all of my work since last summer (any kind of metal finish) to work well with that environmental map. It can be either dropped into an individual repaint/texture folder, or into the root FSX texture folder. The effect is really cool, I think.


John, obviously there is no rush to do this, I had done a search for anything like what I was looking for but came up empty. . .I figured you might have an idea of where they might be. I have to agree, the effect is stunning. I have not seen the Cavenaugh P-51 since it left our hands in 2008, but at that time we were re-skinning it with all new aluminum which was to eventually be polished to look like those in your screenshots. It would have been awesome to see it completed.

JensOle
January 25th, 2013, 11:22
Stunning shots of the Mustang John! I'll need to get the pacakge just for the P-51B/C... I have some Mustang III paints in mind :-)

Try: gloenvts.zip

skyhawka4m
January 25th, 2013, 13:45
I've never bought a boxed version but I would sure hate to miss out on this updated models.......hmmm.

MudMarine
January 25th, 2013, 16:06
I didn't think it was possible to improve on B12's perfection but I guess it is!

skyhawka4m
January 25th, 2013, 19:43
while on the subject....ncie video of the P-51


http://youtu.be/2VuvbYfQawY

skyhawka4m
January 26th, 2013, 12:58
and another......


http://youtu.be/caJtGXMdxGM

Bomber_12th
January 26th, 2013, 14:10
I grew up watching that excellent Great Planes documentary on the P-51, as my dad had recorded it on VHS sometime in the very early 90's - it was the American version however, that was broadcast on the Discovery Channel, and called "WINGS" instead, and although the footage and the script was the exact same, they had an American narrator instead. It was fun when I first saw that original version of the documentary posted to Youtube, to be able to relive it all over again - probably the best film documentary on the P-51 ever produced (not to be confused with the awful (load of crap) "Great Planes" series that was made for the Military Channel - in which they rehashed the original script, and mixed it with footage that doesn't match-up to what is being told).

One of my favorite parts of that documentary is the color footage that was shot at the North American Inglewood plant, in the summer of 1945. All of the Mustangs shown are P-51D-30-NA's (built too late to see combat in WWII), some of which even are fitted with the non-cuffed square-tip Hamilton Standard blades, which were introduced into very late P-51D production, specifically during the D-30 production block. In some of the scenes you can see the wings with their dark grey filler applied (and sanded), before the wings were painted silver (it seems that test flights occurred before the aircraft received their final paint (silver wings, stars and bars, serial number)). You can also see in these shots the black temporary stars-and-bars applied to the wings, which were crudely done while the aircraft was still being manufactured, before being completed and moving into actual paint (serving as a reminder to the paint guys, the proper sides of the wings to place the stars and bars). The numbers on the sides of the fuselages while the aircraft were being manufactured were the aircraft's individual factory number, and not related to the USAAF serial number. With the right resources at hand, however, you can actually find out what the aircraft's USAAF serial was, just by the factory number and if you know what the production block is.

Also, a detail that might otherwise go unnoticed, at the 0:42 mark, you can see a then recently completed P-51H awaiting takeoff in amongst the factory completed P-51D's (late enough, that it has the extended vertical fin cap, designed in conjunction with NACA, I believe first introduced on the 13th production P-51H (where as the earlier ones first came with shorter verticals)).