Aeronca "K" Modeling Project

[OleBoy]

Hi folks.

As many of you have seen I recently acquired the "modeling" bug and have been doing all sorts of things in Google SketchUp. I enjoy that, but. All I am doing is creating vertice and polygons of little use in this virtual world of ours that we all enjoy. So, it's time for me to move over and see this world of modeling from a different angle with a program that was designed for the purpose that many use.

I'm in the learning stages right now. I figured why not have a pupil that's worthwhile? So, here I am wanting to learn modeling. I've been searching for days. Looking at images, 3-views, and the list goes on and on. And I've decided on a subject I want to do. The Aeronca "K"

There's just one minor problem. I'm having a heck of a time finding good legible resources. CAD drawing would be optimal source for my taste. Orthographic even. But I would settle for a nice sized, legible 3-view drawing, or even a nice set of plans for a wooden (radio-control) plane kit.
I'm hoping some of the members may be able to help me out.

I prefer any document info via PM.

Thanks

[PutPut]

I have Paul Matt's excellent 3 views of the Aeronca K. Problem is I don't readily see how to attach them to a PM or email from this forum. Contact me at p.pandj@verizon.net by email and I will send them as an email attachment. They are in .jpg format but you can change that with any paint program. It is bedtime here so I'll send them tomorrow.

Best, Paul

[OleBoy]

Paul Matts?

He does nice work. Email sent right quickly.

Thanks Paul:salute:

[Portia911]

A very noble project, OleBoy. I used to fly a 'K' back in FS9, it would be great to have a brand new one for FSX. Good luck! :salute:

[Roger]

A very noble project, OleBoy. I used to fly a 'K' back in FS9, it would be great to have a brand new one for FSX. Good luck! :salute:

Steve Meyers model? Loved it in Fs9 but didnt port-over well.

[OleBoy]

Firstly, Paul. Thank you for the fantastic 3-views. They fit my need precisely and will really help me to get going in this feat. :salute:

After all the searching and looking for the plane I wanted to model, I come back here to SOH to finally ask for help. Before I started a new topic I popped into the aircraft design forum to scan over a tutorial. It was then I realized what I wanted to model. I got a pie in the face. My avatar. An aircraft I have wanted for ever in FSX.

With Miltons help of the tutorials I'm already fumbling along and applying materials to the calibration box.

Wish me luck. I need it! :icon_lol:

By the way, Steven Meyers is the gentlemen who originally gave me his source for the FS9 model. Amongst others. So go figure my lure to this one. Hehe.
Maybe when it comes time Nigel will grace me with his expertise in sound files. Although I have a LONG ways to get there. Wishful thinking!

[Portia911]

Steve Meyers model? Loved it in Fs9 but didnt port-over well.

Yes, Roger, that's the one - and no, unfortunately it didn't translate well to FSX.

[OleBoy]

First export. As seen in Prepar3D. :wiggle:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4179/exptest.jpg

[PutPut]

Looking very good! If I ever get around to doing a native FSX version of the Aeronca C-3, I'll ask if I can rent your engine.:salute::salute:

Best, Paul

[OleBoy]

I may have one in stock (NOS) waiting for you. Mind you, these little engines are in high demand. :icon_lol:
I was sort of thinking ahead whether I would build the complete engine for an "open-cowl". Not that difficult, although I don't feel it will be necessary. My thoughts of having a command to open the cowl for viewing the engine has crossed my mind. I don't know at this point.

I will say that modeling, is fascinating to me. I honestly thought I would never grasp doing it.

[Milton Shupe]

LOL I knew you would like it, and happy that you are now in the "acceptance" phase. :-)

[OleBoy]

Hi, Milton. I want to thank you for your encouragement over the past two years. Yours, along with Roberts and Larry's was always set in stone as something I wanted to do.
I think my interest in Google Sketchup had a lot to do with why I strive to learn modeling more in depth. After dealing with Sketchup while trying to build an aircraft, and finding limitations I could not get beyond without buying (or free) 3rd party plug-ins that did it for me, that's when I decided it was time to move on to Gmax. I'll admit it, I was very intimidated just looking at all the tools, roll-outs, and commands contained within. So much so, I installed it/un-installed the program at least a dozen times over the past few years.

Now, I love it. Gmax has already twitched, glitched and crashed several times. (face palm) That's the only thing I don't like about the program. Well, not the only thing. But I can't necessarily afford 3DsMax.

I got the modeling bug. :kilroy:

[OleBoy]

The export went good after some cleaning up. The spark plugs are there, although invisible yet in the sim.
**After correctly checking in mesh mode with a vertice count of 41,741, this is not going to work. Time to rethink.**

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/8018/exptest2.jpg

[OleBoy]

If anyone has any photos of the Aeronca "K" (exterior or interior details) that aren't normally found by searching Google, I would be very appreciative to have them.
These aircraft are old enough that there are very few to be found that are in their original state.
My goal is to create the model as realistic as my abilities allow.

My latest update can be seen here for those interested. http://sdrv.ms/12ax9vC

[OleBoy]

While running into issues caused by myself, Milton, DevOne, Harryspin, Tako_Kichi, N2056, and Mechanic have come to my aid several times while getting to where I am at currently in my efforts to model the Aeronca "K". Thank you for your help.

Spark plug caps and wires have been added, bringing the little E-113 to an almost final state.
A bit of chamfer needed in a few spots yet, then onto mapping and textures.

http://imageshack.us/a/img90/4048/e113final.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img811/8918/e113finalfb.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img600/3007/e113finalt.jpg

[N2056]

That's a good looking piece of work! :applause:

[OleBoy]

Thanks. Now to learn Prop-Making 101. Then off to chamfer and smooth a bit here and there.

[txnetcop]

That is a genuine absolutely awesome start!!! Looking forward to a K model
Ted

[OleBoy]

That is a genuine absolutely awesome start!!! Looking forward to a K model
Ted

Thanks Ted. Your encouragement is well taken.

It's nice to know that there is at least some interest in my attempt to bring this to FSX as my first model project.

[Dimus]

Great work there Oleboy! You are certainly making great strides! The "K" is a plane I would really enjoy too. Good luck and enjoy the process.

[OleBoy]

Thank you, Dimus. I'm really enjoying this a lot more than Sketchup.

I just finished making a few new parts.
Valve covers, intake & exhaust piping and cleaned up the casting between the cooling fins on the heads.
A prop and were added, and I applied smoothing groups. I still have a few things to do yet, then on to mapping.

Paul, (Put Put) I think I have everything modeled that will be exposed if you decide to build the C-3. Which I hope you decide to do it so I won't. :icon_lol:
I do have plans to use this set of lungs on other models down the road.

For best viewing, right-click, view-image.
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/791/2013feb6016.jpg

[Daveroo]

thats awesome....:applause:

[OleBoy]

Finally. This 36hp jewel is complete in detail. Everything is in perspective and ready for texture.
It's time I breathe life into these lungs and put this little engine in it's proper place.

Here's some nice 3-views for those who wish to model this little power house.

I hope everyone is ready for some real low-n-slow. :icon_lol:

Right-Click, View-Image for best viewing.
http://imageshack.us/a/img571/2564/e113lfinal.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img849/6757/e113rfinal.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img708/7030/e113ffinal.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img194/3688/e113tfinal.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img823/2608/e113bfinal.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img268/7709/e113pfinal.jpg

*The minor front missing bit has been fixed. Oops!

[Spad54]

Steve Meyers model? Loved it in Fs9 but didnt port-over well.

We've been in contact with Steve in the last few weeks and he will be joining the GAS team this year. Look forward to some of his models coming to FSX in the future

[Portia911]

Bravo, OleBoy - you are really making progress there! :applause:

[OleBoy]

Bravo, OleBoy - you are really making progress there! :applause:

I've intentions to give things a good go. I've a lot to learn in the process, but I feel the end results will be gratifying.

[Spad54]

I've intentions to give things a good go. I've a lot to learn in the process, but I feel the end results will be gratifying.
its a beautiful piece of work for sure

[OleBoy]

Why thank you. I appreciate that.


Added after previous response

Now comes the task of UVW's. Which is a simple process for accomplished modelers. For myself, a huge undertaking as I pick my way through the procedures. Hurdles to the race horse.
The modeling part was fairly easy. What lays ahead, frustrations. I need all the guidance people will share if I'm going to pull this off. :icon_lol:

I've already begun the mapping process. This is going to be a nightmare to say the least.

[Roger]

Why thank you. I appreciate that.


Added after previous response

Now comes the task of UVW's. Which is a simple process for accomplished modelers. For myself, a huge undertaking as I pick my way through the procedures. Hurdles to the race horse.
The modeling part was fairly easy. What lays ahead, frustrations. I need all the guidance people will share. :icon_lol:

And I'm sure you will get it! To have the Aeronca back in FsX will be fantastic...I hope it eventually comes to fruition:applause:

[full]

Nice work ! much better than I could do when I first started, gMax takes a bit of getting used to but once you have the hang of the tools at your disposal your be flying (quite literally) lol

[OleBoy]

Ahh, much appreciated.

I can't seem to shake hands with mapping things just yet. In time I suppose.
In the meantime I've created the appropriate propeller.

http://imageshack.us/a/img829/1678/woodpropp.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9893/woodpropt.jpg

[jetstreamsky]

Super job on the prop, the most difficult item to model in my experience.

[OleBoy]

Super job on the prop, the most difficult item to model in my experience.

Yes indeed. It took several attempts. Thanks.
My rendition in form and shape, I know it is not the "correct" prop for this particular engine.
Scavenging useful resource found for any aircraft that utilized this (or similar JAP type) has been tedious.

I would like to create authentic if given the opportunity.

Here is the front profile.
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1486/woodpropf.jpg

[N2056]

The prop looks great! You might want to verify the direction of rotation though...I think it's reversed. :kilroy:

[OleBoy]

The prop looks great! You might want to verify the direction of rotation though...I think it's reversed. :kilroy:

Uhhh, you are right.
More coffee please! :icon_lol:

Added after Warchilds below response.
I forgot to check my literature also.

In 1930, the Aeronca aircraft company in America designed an engine for their small single seat aircraft, the C-2. It was a twin cylinder opposed side valve or L-head engine of 30 hp and ran at 2,400 r.p.m. The weight was 113 lbs and the finned sump blended with the front of the fuselage. The engine was numbered the E-107.

By 1931 there was a demand for a more powerful engine to power a small two-seater aircraft. Cylinders with overhead valves were fitted to the original crankcase, increasing the horsepower to 36 h.p. with 2,500 r.p.m. and a weight of 120 lbs. The engine was re-numbered E-113 and the aircraft renamed the C-3.

Aeronca engines were manufactured in England under licence by J.A.P. (J. A. Prestwich & Company Ltd.) These had a redesigned rocker box and cover to accommodate two spark plugs per cylinder with two magnetos for dual ignition placed at right angles across the rear of the engine and a power increase to 40 h.p. with 2,540 r.p.m. But the engine had reached the end of it's growth potential and was superceded by a variety of more powerful engines.

Anti-clockwise rotation looking at front.

[warchild]

and here i was thinking it was an american engine :;lol:;

[N2056]

I just noted the pitch was opposite to most props, and not knowing if it could be the engine I just went and looked at some pics of real ones. :salute:

[TeaSea]

Oleboy, per our discussion here are some sales flyer's for the Aeronca models...

Not sure of what value this might be. PM me with and email and I'll send them on....

I think K-255 is the EAA's and the shot was taken during re-build. Hard to say if that's original or not. At least the yokes and rudder pedals are all pretty standard.
80795K-255
80796K-244

8079380794

If you compare K-255 with the 1947 brochure, that looks pretty close.

[OleBoy]

TC, thanks heaps for your willingness to help me along in my venture.
Anything that comes to mind that you can find for reference will help.

Check your private messages.

[OleBoy]

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4724/akfusewip1.jpg

[OleBoy]

The fuselage is taking shape after re-working the nose.

http://imageshack.us/a/img37/2348/akfusewip2.jpg

I still need to do a bit of re-work on the stab yet.
http://imageshack.us/a/img716/185/akfusewip3.jpg

[OleBoy]

http://imageshack.us/a/img687/8936/tailgear2.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img51/1292/tailgear1.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img189/2705/tailgear.jpg

[N2056]

That's awesome!

A few things to keep in mind as you uber-detail parts though...unless it's something in the VC you might not want to have that level of complexity everywhere as you are going to discover that your model will reach a point where it won't export, and quite often when viewed in the sim a lot of that detail gets lost unless you spend a lot of time slewing your view around to see it.

Not that I didn't learn any of this the hard way myself mind you :isadizzy:

[OleBoy]

Thanks Robert!

The power in modeling is amazing in this program (Gmax)
I hear what you're saying. So far there are no issues on export. Not saying they won't start!!
I've had concerns in my mind when.

It may be beneficial if we could get together on TS to collaberate. :kilroy:

As a test I did an export.
The contact points are not right at the moment.
http://imageshack.us/a/img836/4006/tailgearinsim.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img692/7104/tailgearinsim1.jpg

And an in-flight shot.
http://imageshack.us/a/img138/580/tailgearinsim2.jpg

[OleBoy]

As my project continues onward I'm finding that in order for me to make this model a true "scale" re-creation, I am in dire needs of resource photos of specific areas.

Currently, the fuselage is completed. (Boolean forms are in place an ready to go)

The wing is built. To include the struts and cross-braces, minus a few tie-brace clamps and other small pieces. (Boolean forms not made yet.)

The vertical and horizontal stabs, along with the elevators and rudders are also completed. (aside from control rods, control horns, and tie braces going from vertical-to-horizontal stabs, which I am currently building.)

The tail wheel assembly is also completed.


Areas I am seeking detailed photos of are;

1] Main landing gear (brakes, brake-lines & pivots.)
2] Wing-strut & brace contact points & connecting areas.
3] Aileron control surfaces. (To include control rods, hinges, pivot points, ALL)

**Also, detailed interior photos. ANY AND ALL GLADLY ACCEPTED**

[OleBoy]

Mean while I trudge onward modeling what I can.

http://imageshack.us/a/img837/7162/2192013left.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img545/2694/2192013f.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img812/1473/2192013t.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img145/769/2192013p.jpg

[Portia911]

I hope folks can help out with the detail you still need, OleBoy - but even so, you are 'trudging' along at a great rate. Bravo!

[OleBoy]

I am also. Having the needed resource materials on-hand when a project like this is started, is the best. I'll get her finished eventually.

Meanwhile, trudging along. The wing struts & fastening hardware is in place. Along with the pitot tube and other bits.
http://imageshack.us/a/img16/3322/2202013.jpg

And the appearance of a taught canvas to the wing.
http://imageshack.us/a/img13/8893/22020131.jpg

[OleBoy]

The nose is complete aside from repositioning a couple pieces, with a few other necessities added.
http://imageshack.us/a/img708/286/2232013nose.jpg

Grimes Nav lights.
http://imageshack.us/a/img823/2266/2232013lights.jpg

And a shot of it in Prepar3D.
http://imageshack.us/a/img266/8844/2232013p3d1.jpg

[OleBoy]

Thanks to everyone helping me along my way as I learn the ins and outs of Gmax. As frustrating as it is when things are flowing well, then for no reason it crashes, the gratification I endure as the Aeronca "K" looks more and more the part, I am liking very much. Modeling of this form brings back many memories of my R/C hobby.

The exterior has come together very well as I've come to learn the process's needed throughout the Gmax rollouts. The modeling program is an amazing piece of software.

I'm at a point in the model where halves meet other halves. Siblings unite to give the final form as it is seen in the real world. An exciting time for me, as I get closer to creating a model for flight simulator. Something I thought I would never grasp. I can't tell you many times through the years that I installed and uninstalled Gmax due to the depth within the GUI. I'm glad I took the plunge.

I thought I would share images of the progress one last time.
I can't move into the interior at this point yet, as there is still plenty of tweaking and adjusting to do.
Modeling the VC (in 3D) is very near. Another hurdle I am anxiously awaiting.

Enjoy :)

Currently the exterior is weighing in at 44,000 +/- faces (in mesh mode)
Note that the smoothing groups are not necessarily applied to all areas.


Right-click, View-image for best results.
http://imageshack.us/a/img402/9240/2162013f.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img822/6831/2162013pfl.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img42/7160/2162013pfr.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img826/8682/2162013twl.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img707/7109/2162013twr.jpg

[Paul Domingue]

Looking good! At this rate you will have it out of the hanger in time for mud season. :salute:

[OleBoy]

While not finding much needed images to complete the exterior, work continues where I can for the time being.

Going tubular. :mixedsmi:

A lot of what you see pertaining to the framed tubing, may, or may not be visible from inside the VC.
At the very least, from the firewall back to behind the trailing edge of the wing will be visible.

http://imageshack.us/a/img844/365/312013.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img18/7918/342013tubing.jpg

[hairyspin]

Gosh Don, you're not sparing the details! There will be time when stooging around low & slow to look around, so that's a good thing in my book. Keep going!

[OleBoy]

The framing after refinements.

Cabin floor added.
Fueltank/upper dash added.
Basic panel added.

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/3351/3520131tubing.jpg

More in a week or two.

[TuFun]

Now that's cool!

[Hurricane91]

The framing after refinements.

Excellent work OleBoy! She looks great.

[binarkansas]

Absolutely brilliant so far. I can't wait to try it out. Always loved Steven Meyer's FS9 version. Looking forward greatly to this one.

[Lionheart]

You are going to be an amazing model maker. I can tell because you already are! :)

[OleBoy]

Ahhh, thanks everyone. I'm giving this modeling stuff an honest to goodness try. Some day it will leave the nest! :icon_lol:

[spotlope]

I remember my early grapplings with Gmax. What your showing here is leaps and bounds better than what I was able to produce. Excellent work, indeed!

[Milton Shupe]

I agree with the comments posted and you get many kudos from me. I knew once you were "set free", that your work would be amazing. Charge on! :applause: :medals:

[OleBoy]

Thank you.

I feel real comfortable with the program. You could say that it's becoming a third appendage.
The Aeronca "K" is looking better by the day as I pick away at things. Piece by piece the interior of the model looks more the part. And a little more (wink)
Gauges are modeled, and switches are currently moving into their respective positions. Every detail I can muster, right to the very last screw will be seen from the pilots chair.
When she's finished, she should be represented fairly well.

Sorry everyone, no sneak peeks from here on out :icon_lol:

[OleBoy]

What the heck. The authentic tail wheel.

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/218/ak3152013tw2.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img526/1825/ak3152013tw3.jpg

[OleBoy]

It's been a long day. One last shot, then off to bed for me.

The tail gear is completed.
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9493/ak3162013twspring.jpg

[robcap]

Very, very nice:salute:
Keep it up looking forward to the result.

[ryanbatc]

Wow.

My first experience with gmax was building an ATCT. It took me forever and most of it was square lol

[OleBoy]

Making progress.

I've got to say, the feeling from modeling is rewarding. To think that this began basically from what looked like a piece of pipe closed at each end. Pushing here, pulling there (LOTS of that!) to form and shape. Modeling is simply amazing. Especially when you made it. And my ability to do this would not have been happening right now if it wasn't for a select few here on the forum who has always encouraged me to try Gmax. Milton and Robert (N2056) always seemed to be the pushy ones. Milton even more so after I worked on the Avia 51 Project.

For a few years now I have been chatting with with Robert (N2056), Larry (Tako_Kichi), Pam (Warchild). And several others who came on Teamspeak. Milton even pops on there from time to time. Of which he has guided me along the way as/to the use of Gmax several times. Robert and Larry have also shared with me, tips, how-to's and have helped me out a lot. Paul Dominique (Mechanic) has also given good advice, tips, and ideas to test and try. Hairyspin, Dev-One, (I know I'll forget someone) have also provided me with many tips and tutorials. If not links to very useful information. All those mentioned are why I am modeling at all. I had the desire. And I had the ability to visualize and create on several planes. Problem was I needed to learn a program so that I could create what my eyes see. That program, Gmax, is very frustrating. Damn cantankerous, fussy, glitchy, crash at ANY TIME, but great to get acquainted with program. Why, once Gmax and I got acquainted, we dance to soothing music together.
Of course, the band (Gmax) still sounds of a few clinkers (crashes) when you least expect it. LOL! Not funny actually.

Those of you wanting to learn Gmax, DO IT! No matter the amount of frustration. No matter how intimidating all the features and settings make you feel when you look at it all. Heck, I know I installed/uninstalled Gmax at a minimum of two dozen times over the past three years! Here I am. Modeling. TRY IT!!

I reflect back several years ago. Last year. It seemed my graphics was a fascination for a good amount of time. Repaints. That was addicting! It eventually got boring and was time to move on. And I'm glad I took that next step.

Alright, an update on my progress. At this stage there's a lot of tweaking and adjustments.
http://imageshack.us/a/img6/731/ak3192013p3d.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img823/8650/ak31920131p3d.jpg

[OleBoy]

There doesn't appear to be much of a following on this piece of history, but I'll keep posting at any rate. Anyone ever see a "K" on EDO floats? I have. Hmmm :pop4:
Little by little I'm getting the aircraft.cfg dialed in. She's handling rather well actually for as frustrated as I get while messing with the settings.

The landing gear is on the ground now.
http://imageshack.us/a/img822/8553/ak3222013.jpg

Originally I went hog wild creating. Now, and since I have better resource materials, piece by piece I am rebuilding them. As I will with the tail surfaces for a fourth time. :icon_lol:

A new wing and control surfaces are also in the making.
Also added are the trim pieces for the windshield, and the original door handles.
http://imageshack.us/a/img541/8683/ak3222013wing.jpg

[Anneke]

Impressive!

[dhasdell]

I'm sure there's a big following but that most, like me, don't have anything helpful to add. I do keep checking on progress, though, and can only observe, amazed, and look forward to completion.

[Portia911]

I'm following your progress with interest - and much awe as to what you are achieving here, OleBoy. Your pics and commentary are inspiring and I am eagerly awaiting the finished product.

:applause:

[OleBoy]

Much obliged for your interest in my madness. I enjoy it. The numerous frustrations while learning are the only hurdles ahead. I've jumped over many as I assemble my toy. At times spending hours creating parts. I step back, look, and walk around. Shaking my head with dissatisfaction. That's not going to work. MAKE IT OVER. MAKE IT RIGHT!! I think to myself. As I rip it off and start a new. So much work lies ahead. What am I doing?

Some day.

[N2056]

The model looks great!
It's the willingness to go back and improve old work that makes a winner in the end. Good Job! :applause:

[Sundog]

Great work OleBoy. As others have said, I look to keep an eye on things, but don't usually post as much as I should. I love the progress you're making. It's good to see you just keeping at it. But don't forget to take breaks so you don't burn yourself out. :)

[TuFun]

Much obliged for your interest in my madness. I enjoy it. The numerous frustrations while learning are the only hurdles ahead. I've jumped over many as I assemble my toy. At times spending hours creating parts. I step back, look, and walk around. Shaking my head with dissatisfaction. That's not going to work. MAKE IT OVER. MAKE IT RIGHT!! I think to myself. As I rip it off and start a new. So much work lies ahead. What am I doing?

Some day.

I have that problem... I'm picky with my repaints and I'm not happy with it, I'll do it over and over until I feel its right. Well my inexperience doesn't help either, but it's gotta be right if all possible.
Sometimes it's not possible to get it right after all... limitations are there. Then I realize I need to stop, and just finish what I have.

Your model so far is amazing! I like the detail you put in to it. -TuFun

[OleBoy]

Back in the early days of Aeronca. The C2/C3 (as far as I've researched) was adapted with floats. Seeing them made the aircraft look even more cumbersome and slow. As it was, they were not fast aircraft. I envision spring loaded struts (kidding of course) that when up to speed, a flick of a lever released the load and the little airplane that could, hopped, broke water tension and lifted into the air.

I've been studying the EDO floats used back then. A golden find to have as reference. As before when I get to a hurdle in development, I stop building in one area, and move on to another form of concentration.
My mentioning that brings to mind the control system, the cables, pulleys, turn-buckles. And other bits that form the linkages for movement that are visible within the cockpit. In reality the process of assembly is fairly simple. Modeling it, just a tad intimidating. I'll get it. Eventually. :kilroy:

There's a lot of work ahead. And plenty more to learn that goes with it.

[OleBoy]

This may not appear to be much, although for myself, getting the wing control surfaces modeled and correctly laid out was a hurdle.
The correct Pitot-Tube is also in place.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2840/ak3232013ailcontsurf.jpg

[txnetcop]

THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF AMAZING AMIGO!!!
Ted

[FentiFlier1]

Thanks for posting your progress in this thread for everyone to admire, Oleboy. I look forward to your updates! :guinness:

Owen.

[spotlope]

The modeling is outstanding so far. I can't wait to see what happens when the textures are applied. That's usually the magic moment for me when I'm working on a project.

[OleBoy]

The modeling is outstanding so far. I can't wait to see what happens when the textures are applied. That's usually the magic moment for me when I'm working on a project.

Thanks Bill.

The whole process involved up to now is going better than I ever expected. Gmax really is a complex piece of software that works well considering it's age. It's given me a few gray hairs that's for sure.
The mapping portion of the process really isn't that far away. I'd thought about the mapping of things as I went, then decided to tackle it all at once in the end. I already mentioned to my misses that I'll need a bottle of "Just For Men" and a few Prozac for kick when that time comes. :icon_lol:

Modeling of this form is a great hobby. I may have to look into a student issued version of 3DsMax for a few years.

[AussieMan]

I too have been quietly following this thread with a lot of interest. I am just beginning to use Gmax and doing some simple buildings. Last week I ordered a copy of the Gmax bible from Amazon. Once I have that I will get more adventurous and try to create an aircraft. My ambition is to eventually do a native FSX/P3D Vultee Vengance. In the meantime I am doing stuff using the KISS principle.

[AussieMan]

I am stunned!! I ordered my gMax bible from Amazon.com last Thursday the 21st. The dispatch email said the package was sent on the 22nd and said the delivery date would be Monday the 6th of May. Imagine my surprise when I arrived home from work this afternoon to find a parcel from Amazon.com between the screen door and my front door. Wonderful work Amazon. You will get more orders from me in the future even though I live in Australia.

[OleBoy]

Building the panel.
Screws are wrong.
All gauge faces have rounded glass
Textures are currently placeholders.
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3505/ak3282013dash.jpg

[OleBoy]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/400/mated2013mar29001.jpg

More here. http://sdrv.ms/XN9wDk

[Sundog]

Man, that's looking really good. When you're working on it in GMax, do you start rotating it in the program and make airplane sounds when you need a break? ;)

[OleBoy]

Man, that's looking really good. When you're working on it in GMax, do you start rotating it in the program and make airplane sounds when you need a break? ;)

Laughing hysterically, :icon_lol:
This model is the only thing keeping my sanity as I was laid off from my employer. No idea if I'll get called back or not. After the daily routine of seeking employment, The model gives me something to do. I do not expect to have been learning Gmax otherwise. This project could stop abruptly. I honestly wish it would due to sheer boredom. :kilroy:

[OleBoy]

A few brake parts arrived today. Which also gave me the chance to get the back side of the wheel pants cut out.

http://imageshack.us/a/img62/4305/ak4172013brakes1.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img829/7025/ak4172013brakes.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img836/2509/ak4172013brakes2.jpg

[Milton Shupe]

Beautiful work Sir :applause: I knew you had this within your capability and I am extremely happy you took on gmax.

[thunder100]

Building the panel.
Screws are wrong.
All gauge faces have rounded glass
Textures are currently placeholders.
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3505/ak3282013dash.jpg

Looks stunningly GREAT --->Just I think to remember that the gauge Background was White? Roland http://flightmusings.blogspot.co.at/2011/11/flying-east.html

[OleBoy]

Thanks Milton. You (along with many other proficient modelers) have always been an inspiring asset to my interest in the hobby.


Thunder, concerning the gauge backrounds. The link you provide is a 1940 Aeronca Chief 65-LA. I believe that aircraft was sold for a mere $15K (Give or take. Completely restored)
Also, different options were available for all models throughout the period as Aeronca Corp became better established.
84900

[thunder100]

Thanks Milton. You (along with many other proficient modelers) have always been an inspiring asset to my interest in the hobby.


Thunder, concerning the gauge backrounds. The link you provide is a 1940 Aeronca Chief 65-LA. I believe that aircraft was sold for a mere $15K (Give or take. Completely restored)
Also, different options were available for all models throughout the period as Aeronca Corp became better established.
84900

Thanks

Its a real ringer regardless gauge dial colour

Roland

[OleBoy]

I spent a significant amount of time working on the artwork today.

The first two images are with the setting for glass to "see-through" in Gmax. It leaves a lot to be desired for any visuals.

http://imageshack.us/a/img191/5703/ak4182013alt.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img199/9186/ak4182013airspeed.jpg

I removed the glass for this shot.
http://imageshack.us/a/img132/8113/ak4182013cluster.jpg

[Portia911]

:applause:
Way to go, OleBoy - real quality workmanship right there!
Sorry to hear about your job loss - hope things work out ok for you in that regard. :salute:

[papab]

WOW!
What workmanship OleBoy!
Fantastic...

Remember: When one door closes there is another one that will open for you !

Rick

[ATR43]

Very smart.

Do any of the gauges function at the moment, or are they purely 'textures'?

[OleBoy]

It's the artwork only for the time being. Nothing applied for visual realism "in-sim" yet.

Testing in Prepar3D sim for small detail visuals.
Turnbuckles and streamline bracing rods added.
The propeller has also been cleaned up and reworked.

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/7096/ak4192013siml.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img94/7994/ak4192013simf.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img838/5107/ak4192013simb.jpg

[Milton Shupe]

That is looking awesome Don! :applause:

[OleBoy]

Comments like yours , especially coming from accomplished modelers, are very appreciative. Thank you.

Each phase as I progress I find new obstacles that need to be sorted out. For instance, linking bits and pieces so they dance to the same music in unison.
I just spent a fair amount of time figuring out the tail wheel group. Tweaking and adjusting the pivot points, determining by trial and error what sequence they all had to be tied together. That phase is now complete and works great. I never thought my patience could be touted over something like that. :isadizzy:

[OleBoy]

Work (modeling) on the exterior is completed.
The interior cockpit (modeling) is also almost complete.

Next phase, overhead aileron cable, turnbuckles, tie plates, nuts & bolts to tie both wing control surfaces together.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7356/ak4222013.jpg

[Crash_Hawk]

Man o Man!!! I can't wait for this airplane! Flew the crap out of my FS9 one. Thanks OleBoy!Jonathan

[OleBoy]

More to do in this area yet, but getting this portion to this state of completion is a big step.

The overhead cabling.
I would like to add the safety wires but they would not show. I might do something in the artwork.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5388/ak4222013turnbuckles.jpg

[Paul Domingue]

You must be getting close to a beta test? Hope you include me. It's looking really great Don.

[OleBoy]

I'm awful close to that point. I'm going over it with a fine tooth comb.
Extra eyes are always helpful.

Pit view. :mixedsmi:
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6589/ak4232013pit.jpg

[huub vink]

It really looks amazing! Incredible the level of detail you have put into it!

Great work and thanks for this very educational thread!

Huub

[AussieMan]

Can I put my hat in the ring to test it in P3D for you?

[kilo delta]

Magnificent work thus far,Oleboy! Congrats :)

[OleBoy]

PM sent Pat.

The tube frame is back in place, with the Ora of canvas surrounding you from inside.
The option to have a door on both left and right sides was in North America only. At this point I am undecided if the right side will stay.

http://imageshack.us/a/img708/9669/ak4242013.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img22/7432/ak42410131.jpg

[OleBoy]

Whoops. I seem to have missed a couple responses.

Thanks Huub
The Aeronca K was a good subject for me to choose. Ever since my FS2004 days of flying the Steven Meyers K model, the plane just stuck with me in thought.

All of this modeling I appear to be enjoying, I am, no matter the frustration involved. To be honest, it can be very frustrating. But also very rewarding.
I've gained a lot of respect and admiration for modelers. The amount of time involved to "create" a model, it's a labor intense, fussy (by choice) affair.

I've yet to delve into everything else. Just the thought of the rest, I'd rather not go there with my mind just yet! LOL

Thanks again KD

[TeaSea]

Might help as a reference...there's a nicely restored Aeronca 11AC for sale on Ebay.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aeronca-11AC-Light-Sport-Category-Aircraft-/111058034534?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid=111000&algo=REC.CURRENT&ao=1&asc=27&meid=7199078445804337487&pid=100033&prg=1011&rk=3&sd=160667712776&&forcev4exp=true


Good shots of the panel.

[OleBoy]

I just went through the whole engine and prop, teaching myself where and how to apply the smoothing groups.
The transformation in details is amazing. :medals:

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/250/ak4242013smoothing.jpg

[OleBoy]

A couple shots after I finally figured out the smoothing groups. Then back to modeling (finishing) the gauges and the animations.

This is a shot I took prior to figuring out the right combinations on the fuselage.
http://imageshack.us/a/img407/5586/ak4262013ext.jpg

And the look I was hunting for.
http://imageshack.us/a/img854/1042/ak4262013left.jpg

[OleBoy]

I finally tackled the interior headliner.

http://imageshack.us/a/img526/3470/ak4272013int1.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/8982/ak4272013int.jpg

[OleBoy]

The 3D gauges are completed.
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3822/ak4282012.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3585/ak4282013a.jpg

[txnetcop]

ABSOLUTELY TOP-DRAWER!!!! WOW!!!
Ted

[oldpropfan]

Seems like not that long ago you were wrestling with SketchUp, trying to perfect your paint shop and hangar, and now you're working at this level with GMax! I've been quietly following along since start of this project and it's turning into a beautiful piece of work :salute:.

[olderndirt]

Not much (zero) on modeling skills but, having owned four light planes over the years, I admire an accurate reproduction. You're well on your way to a work of art.

[OleBoy]

Thank you.
It is rewarding for those on the receiving end of a finished product. For modelers, modeling is definitely a love/hate relationship. I enjoy the end results after having reworked things many times to finally find the sweet spot in appearance. Like a race horse I left the gates running strong. I'm beginning to tire.

After four attempts, the compass is basically done short of animation. The compass took nearly 5 hours to create.
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/7018/ak4292013.jpg

Windshield trim fasteners are added, and I reworked all the turnbuckles/pulley/cabling pieces. Amongst many other doo dads.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1779/ak4292013a.jpg

[olderndirt]

Compass looks good - just needs whiskey and a card. Your Niccopress thimbles on each end of the turnbuckles really caught my eye.

[Paul Domingue]

Excellent modeling Don. I like all the refinements you have made on the exterior model. What will you work on next, animation or textures? When you get ready to animate the gauges, I have some custom code that should work with a little tweaking that your welcome to.

Keep posting because you may inspire some of those who have thought about making a model but felt they were intimidated by the software. See even a caveman can do it. :applause:

[Daveroo]

Excellent modeling Don. I like all the refinements you have made on the exterior model. What will you work on next, animation or textures? When you get ready to animate the gauges, I have some custom code that should work with a little tweaking that your welcome to.

Keep posting because you may inspire some of those who have thought about making a model but felt they were intimidated by the software. See even a caveman can do it. :applause:

seen my pic?...my beard?....i tried..i cant...and im close to a caveman..........:isadizzy:

[OleBoy]

The 3-way, altimeter, and air speed gauges arefinished. More work on the compass. The whiskey and card are in thought as to "how" to correctly go about things.

My modeling the screws could could be a waste of time. Although no problem exporting and into the sim.
http://imageshack.us/a/img15/4546/ak4302013.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img11/7862/ak4302013a.jpg

[hairyspin]

You really have your eye "in" now Don and it's a treat to see, as will the mapping be when you get your head around that. Hope Gmax is still being nice to you 'cos it's being a real bear to me right now. :pop4: :isadizzy:

[OleBoy]

You went and got me all skeerd of the thought. Although I won't be able to avoid it for long. Obviously if I'm modeling the screws, things are slowing in the poly pushing arena.
Gmax has kicked me in the shin several times up to this point. I learned to "save" religiously long ago :icon_lol:

[OleBoy]

Compass looks good - just needs whiskey and a card.

One whiskey on my tab. Slotted to slide the card in to boot. :isadizzy:
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/938/ak4302013b.jpg

[OleBoy]

Bare with me on this layout, as I pulled this information from a fairly old document. I cleaned it up a bit so some areas may not make sense.


Aeronca Model K and Model L

By mid-1935, Aeronca, a contraction of Aeronautical Corporation of America, had pretty well weathered the worst of the Depression. Earlier in the year, Taylor Stanley stepped down as President of the company, when Walter Friedlander bought controlling
interest in the firm for his sons, Carl and John. Stanley remained on the Board of Directors.

Walter Friedlander was an alert, progressive businessman having gained considerable wealth and business experience dealing in
real estate. He long wanted to get into the manufactur-ing business. His sons were to "learn-the-ropes" by pulling the Aeronca Aircraft Corporation together and putting it on top in the aviation field. Unlike the earlier Taft-Roche-Dietz regime, the Friedlanders were at the plant every day and with their genuine interest and per-sonal drive, Aeronca began to undertake more progres-sive policies.

The company's first aircraft, the C-2 and C-3 series used a unique wire bracing system for the wings. But Civil Aeronautics Authority Airworthiness Require-ments, Bulletin U-A, Section 22, October 1, 1934, made this type of wing bracing rather difficult to use and meet new, more stringent requirements. This stemmed from several accidents involving aircraft featuring this method of wing bracing (Aeroncas and Buhl Bullpups) as discussed earlier. Accident reports pointed to pilot error in over stressing the wings far beyond design load limits. Placards and verbal admonishments to pilots did little good.

Aeronca was also getting more competition from other lightplane manufacturers, particularly Taylor Aircraft Company (Piper) who was using new, albeit troublesome, four-cylinder 40-hp opposed Continental A-40 engines. This engine had the potential of doubling its power in succeeding years of development. The Aeronca E-113, two-cylinder engine, even in its final development was limited in growth.
In addition, in the autumn of 1935 under the direction of Walter Jamouneau, Taylor Aircraft had dressed up their squared-off, boxy Taylor E-2 Cub into the more stream-lined Taylor J-2 Cub configuration. The public was going for the change.

The handwriting was on the wall.

If Aeronca was to survive, a new airplane was needed. The Approved Type Certificate (ATC No. 396) for the wire-braced C-3 Master remained valid for the life of the production run, but that would be the end. The year 1935 was pretty good for the C-3 model, 128 Masters being built and sold. Production continued throughout 1936, with 122 units delivered and flying.

The Friedlanders moved forward boldly. Before the leaves of 1935 began to turn into their annual array of artistic colors, not one but two new aircraft designs were initiated. The first was a high wing cabin model, essentially an extension of the earlier Aeroncas. The
second, a radical departure, an enclosed cabin, can-tilever low wing aircraft. Both planes would use the Aeronca E-113C engine and plans were made to intro-duce them to the public in the spring of 1936. Unfortunately, many unforeseen problems and rebellion by nature plagued their plans and schedules. Design and engineering of the new planes was turned over to Aeronca's chief engineer, Roger
Schlemmer, and he had a lot to contend with in light of new government regulations and the new management's initiation into the world of flying machines.

Jean Roche, father of the original Aeronca and still on the Board of Directors, was strongly against using struts to brace the high wing airplane. He wanted to retain the wire bracing method and felt that sales and appearance was the prime reason for going to struts. Roche was still working at Wright Field and rarely at the Aeronca plant. He regularly voted down any inno- vation or new trend in design of construction in the Aeronca line.

The CAA regulation was decisive though and whether the Model K developed because of this or by choice, the design work commenced in August 1935.

Why the designation "K" when they were only at the letter "C"? -::Walter Friedlander said that the next letter after "C" that could be easily understood over the tele-phone was "K." And that was it. This would be followed in natural sequence with "L," low wing model.

Design and general arrangement of it started in October 1935. It would seem that the Model K would be an easy task, while the Model L might pose a problem. In real-ity the reverse was true. Design started within a month of each other. The two prototypes were constructed at the same time, virtually right alongside of each other.

The Model K flew first but didn't go into production for nearly a year afterward. The Model L flew second and went into production within six weeks of its first flight. There were a number of reasons for this. The Model K ran into engineering snags from the outset and then, just as the green light for production was turned on, near dis-aster struck the Aeronca plant. The twist of fate accounts for the low wing being in production for about a year (1936) while the high wing, late in production, was built for nearly three years, the last one being delivered in April 1939.



The Model K

While the Aeronca K had about the same overall dimensions and appearance as the C-3, it was an entirely new airplane. In view of the fact that the 37/40-hp E-113C engine was to be used, Roger ScWemmer had to keep the power to weight ratio in balance and yet come up with a plane that would exceed the C-3 in comfort, eye appeal, and performance. With newer, more modern materials to work with this was within reach, providing customers or the sales department did not demand too many innovations and extras.

In brief: the decision was made to retain the basic aft Aeronca triangular fuselage, widen the forward cabin area for more comfortable side-by-side seating, strut brace the wings and lengthen the landing gear for easier maneuvering on rough ground and tall grass. The fuselage was faired with wood bulkheads and stringers and fabric covered. The nose and engine area was formed aluminum. The vertical tail was of welded chrome-molybdenum tubing and an integral part of the fuselage. The horizontal tail surfaces were of similar construction. A trim tab, controlled from the cockpit, was inset on the left elevator, negating the use of an adjustable elevator. This was the first Aeronca to feature the trim tab and it became a standard feature on all succeeding designs. The gravity-fed tank was located in the fuselage just aft of the engine firewall. Capacity was increased 25% to 10 gallons over previous C-3 models.

The Clark Y airfoil section was retained for the wing and the tip was angled up to a maximum. This had an effect of increasing efficiency and stability, while retaining a minimal dihedral angle throughout the span. The entire wing was new. With the use of struts for bracing, the structure could be made much simpler, yet stronger than the C-3 wing. The main structure was spruce wood, the ailerons were metal framework and of semi-Frize balance.


The Model K ran into several major stumbling blocks that delayed production. The first came with the landing gear. Elimination of drag was of prime importance. Schlemmer was faced with using the same powers the C-3 yet having to use a longer landing gear strut because it was essential to get the belly of the plane higher off the ground for easier and safer ground handling. The gear on the C-3 was extremely short, snuggled up against the fuselage. With the K, more strut would be exposed, creating drag and robbing engine power.

The original landing gear devised was a relatively short, rigid structure, each leg containing an oleo strut and braced in the conventional tripod manner. Flight tests, however, showed that a higher angle of attack was needed for better takeoff and landing characteristics. Either the wing itself or the whole plane had to have more angle of attack. This was easily remedied by lengthening the landing gear. However, the powers that be in management wanted to "dress-up" this feature and called for a "simpler" more modern arrangement, eliminating the V-strut bracing between the main wheel bearing struts. Roger would have liked to have come up with a simple monostrut arrangement similar to that used by Cessna on their Airmaster series but this proved too expensive for the Model K concept. This idea, and a couple others, fur-ther delayed final design and production readiness of the plane.

Another problem involved the designing of dual wheel control system. During test flights of the prototype it was found that the entire elevator control system was out of balance, causing the plane to oscillate in the vertical plane. It was determined the use of a heavy vertical control column had more of a bearing on balance than realized. The actual position of the column's e.G., in relation to its pivot point caused the moment to add or detract from flying loads on the tail. Various bearings and positions of the control column and horizontal tail surfaces were tried until this had no effect on any of the plane's flight attitudes.

Other nagging and persistent matters kept the Model K from the marketplace beyond the schedule planned. Nothing seemed to be going smoothly. Test flights were sporadic. Because of the time factors, attention was turned to the more progressive low wing design and the Model K development languished throughout the spring and summer. Aeronca wasn't ready to apply for an Approved Type Certificate on the Model K until the winter of 1936. Management decided not to offer it until January 1937 when it would be officially demonstrated and shown to the public at the National Aviation Show at North Beach Airport and the Grand Central Palace in New York.

[OleBoy]

I thought this a better display than my images alone. Tufun has done a nice video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhxUDrP-E8I

[MDIvey]

Looking really great OleBoy

Matt

[robcap]

Very, very nice.
Great work on the smoothing of the fuselage. Realy let's the tube frame com out.
Time to get some animations in, it's a nice change from pushing pixels.

Cheers, Rob

[TuFun]

:salute:


http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2013/05/09/WKqnV.jpg

[Paul Domingue]

Looking really good Don. How bout putting some spin on the prop. :mixedsmi:

[OleBoy]

In due time. I'm waiting on my bible to arrive so I can get busy.
So many questions, so few people around anymore.

The model looks good in FSX, TF. Nice shot!
Any model deficiencies, gaps and/or you notice, toss them at me and I'll get it fixed up.

[Paul Domingue]

In due time. I'm waiting on my bible to arrive so I can get busy.
So many questions, so few people around anymore.


I'd be glad to help you out with the little knowledge I have. Your right about the TS server being little used if that's what your suggesting. I wish more people would log on. I miss winding down in the evening with some good constructive conversation with other SOH members.

[OleBoy]

I more or less am losing my drive for anything currently. Real world or otherwise. I'm hopeful that 800 pages will flick the switch on again. God knows I need it right now. :kilroy:

[TuFun]

In due time. I'm waiting on my bible to arrive so I can get busy.
So many questions, so few people around anymore.

The model looks good in FSX, TF. Nice shot!
Any model deficiencies, gaps and/or you notice, toss them at me and I'll get it fixed up.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/thumbup.gif

[bstolle]

Just learned that Don found a FDE designer for his Aeronca ;)

[Roger]

Just learned that Don found a FDE designer for his Aeronca ;)

Ha ha...can't wait to try the finished aircraft:engel016:

[OleBoy]

Thanks Bernt. It was a surprise to see your reply before I responded back to you.
Now if I could find someone to do an authentic soundset.

Modeling of the pilot is under way.
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/8476/ak5122013pf.jpg

It looks like I need to do a bit of adjusting for scale. But it looks the part!
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1281/ak5122013psim.jpg

[OleBoy]

I'm still waiting for my Gmax reference to arrive. In the meantime, meet "Bones" the pilot after a little refining to the facial contours.
First solo. He's a tad nervous :icon_lol:
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8093/ak5132013bones.jpg

[PutPut]

Love the Hat!!!!:salute::salute:

Best, Paul

[Portia911]

. . . his face was a mask of concentration.

Terrific stuff, OleBoy - and a coup re: your fde designer! :jump:

[OleBoy]

Due to current situations in my real world the project has been put away.

[Daveroo]

Due to current situations in my real world the project has been put away.

uh oh...i hope you are ok...whatever the problem is..i hope it resolves soon and well for you and yours..Dave

[robcap]

Take care man.

R.

[PutPut]

What the H---? Take good care of yourself.

Paul

[OleBoy]

My apology all. I should have explained.

Due to things in my real world, I can not stay focused in my project. So, I put it away. Will it get finished? I honestly can not answer that right now.
For the time being, I have put Gmax away. There's just too many frustrations involved in the whole process. Even as far as I've come.

At this stage, I may consider giving the source to an individual if there is an honest interest in finishing the project, and releasing with my intended contribution to SOH only, as Donation-Ware to benefit SOH

I'll be up front and direct to the subject on the plate. I'm a picky SOB. Ask around. I have a lot of pride in everything I do, regardless.
If there is in fact someone who wishes to finish my work based on the above guidelines, inquire within. :wavey:

[txnetcop]

Just letting you know you did an amazing job up to this point :O)
Ted

[Paul Domingue]

From childhood's hour I have not been
As others were; I have not seen
As others saw; I could not bring
My passions from a common spring.
From the same source I have not taken
My sorrow; I could not awaken
My heart to joy at the same tone;
And all I loved, I loved alone.
Then- in my childhood, in the dawn
Of a most stormy life- was drawn
From every depth of good and ill
The mystery which binds me still:
From the torrent, or the fountain,
From the red cliff of the mountain,
From the sun that round me rolled
In its autumn tint of gold,
From the lightning in the sky
As it passed me flying by,
From the thunder and the storm,
And the cloud that took the form
(When the rest of Heaven was blue)
Of a demon in my view.


Source: Alone by Edgar Allan Poe, Famous Sad Poems (http://www.familyfriendpoems.com/famous/poem/alone-by-edgar-allan-poe#ixzz2TQ4jxJ6z) http://www.familyfriendpoems.com/famous/poem/alone-by-edgar-allan-poe#ixzz2TQ4jxJ6z
www.FamilyFriendPoems.com

[OleBoy]

Don't toss dirt on the sucker yet. I would have never thought someone would have feelings for a model as you share.
The airplane, the K has not fallen from the air, though in the distance of the skies, a glimmer.
For now she lands to spend time in the hanger, while I ride another wave.

[OleBoy]

A little update for those interested. Working on animations.

You must install Microsoft SilverLight, or download to see. http://sdrv.ms/XN9wDk

[AussieMan]

Looking forward to its completion. Will quite happily donate to get it.

[OleBoy]

Taking a break from animations I considered just a wall with a texture applied. Do I? Don't I? Ahh Screw it. I'm building it. (WIP)

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8686/kt1q.jpg

[OleBoy]

More to do yet.

Working on the float model.
http://imageshack.us/a/img850/6383/ii3d.jpg

The rudder Assy.
http://imageshack.us/a/img10/9223/a8dt.jpg

[TuFun]

Wow... looks fantastic! Didn't think such put-put engine could handle floats.

[Sundog]

That's looking excellent Oldboy. Nice progress.

[italoc]

Ehi OleBoy
I think your "bug" has converted in a surprisingly beautiful butterfly ... let her fly for us to enjoy !!!!:applause::applause:
Italo

[OleBoy]

I got a chuckle of the K having floats myself. There's not a lot of photos or information, but floats were adapted from the early 1930's onward. And I agree, the K had only 36hp. 40hp later on.
What I have read notes that the K model got off the water fairly well. I'm not sure of the added weight difference. EDO 1070's are fitted as depicted here. Coming it at just over 12ft long.

[OleBoy]

Animation of the cabling looks to be a chore on lifting the water rudder. Time to get creative.
Here's the auxiliary fin found on the amphib type.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4213/irm8.jpg

This should suffice. The water rudder animation. http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2636/71xamajgaonenvqrjoqzny.mp4

[OleBoy]

A bit more creativity for the pilot figure. Ears and eyes.
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7867/pi97.jpg

[OleBoy]

I've got the pilots head animated with the rudder movement. From exterior view it looks convincing. :icon_lol:

Mr. Stolle (Thanks Berndt) has done a nice job with the Land Plane FDE. His knowledge will also be needed for the Sea Plane.
I'll get you the needed info and updated model as I progress.

I'm hopeful when the project is completed my modeling efforts will be well received.
For the time being all I have are more teaser shots. :kilroy:
I've plenty to do yet.

Here's a couple shots of the float model that will also be included in the package.
Animations and the rest of the water rudder cabling are WIP.

Right-Click/View Image(s) for best results.
http://imageshack.us/a/img829/9802/ebqs.jpg
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http://imageshack.us/a/img856/2990/kh7e.jpg
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[OleBoy]

Having time this last weekend allowed me to work on the Aeronca K a bit more.
Work consisted of adding the access holes (maintenance) and other parts to the under side of the wings and aft-left fuse. I also flared our the landing struts to the cowl area which was a small task in itself. Also added were the door/window frames.

I'm posting a link to the image due to it's size. http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4522/qeor.png
Work continues as I get time.

[Killbilly]

Having time this last weekend allowed me to work on the Aeronca K a bit more.
Work consisted of adding the access holes (maintenance) and other parts to the under side of the wings and aft-left fuse. I also flared our the landing struts to the cowl area which was a small task in itself. Also added were the door/window frames.

I'm posting a link to the image due to it's size. http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4522/qeor.png
Work continues as I get time.

Very nice work! Thanks for the updates and images; it's fun watching a project like this come together so well.

[monk1]

Having time this last weekend allowed me to work on the Aeronca K a bit more.
Work consisted of adding the access holes (maintenance) and other parts to the under side of the wings and aft-left fuse. I also flared our the landing struts to the cowl area which was a small task in itself. Also added were the door/window frames.

I'm posting a link to the image due to it's size. http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4522/qeor.png
Work continues as I get time.

Amazing detail, what a fantastic model. I've been watching and waiting for this beautiful Aeronca K since it's inception. Payware, donationware, freeware, one way or another I hope to see it in my hanger. Keep up the great work Oleboy!! :applause:

[OleBoy]

Thank-you.

After many hours in surgery, the model has gotten a nose job. Rebuilt from the doors forward, a new cowl has been grafted in place.
A bit more work to get the front glass formed to the new cowl seal, and then off to the recovery room. :icon_lol:
I also added in the cowl vents or louvers as some call them.

Next comes the final XML work and mapping.

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/6161/p8sk.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img716/3640/f25y.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img577/4008/a69e.jpg

[OleBoy]

If you had to guess, my modeling for the Aeronca "K" is about fizzled out. Nothing more is (or would be) visible due it's small size that bump mapping will not do.
Actually there are a LOT of things I spent the time to model that could easily be added in by the bump mapping.

I wasn't happy with the first set of cowl louvers I made, so those got redone from scratch also.
One more thing I wanted to try (and just did) was to model-in the Aeronca casting on the valve covers. Lots of vertice (500 each) in them babies! :icon_lol:

They will be replaced by textures and bump-mapping.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9739/f9f3.png

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6084/0ewd.png

[PutPut]

Just out of curiousity, how many polys or vertices does this project have as it now sits?

Paul :isadizzy: :isadizzy:

[CWOJackson]

A bit more creativity for the pilot figure. Ears and eyes.
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7867/pi97.jpg

The pilot has a very West World look about him.

[OleBoy]

Just out of curiousity, how many polys or vertices does this project have as it now sits?

Paul :isadizzy: :isadizzy:

Hi Paul. It's currently 220,000 +/- vertice.


The pilot has a very West World look about him.

:icon_lol:

[OleBoy]

I almost forgot a major part. The wobble pump was the last part in the interior. :icon_lol:

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3006/l9eu.png

[OleBoy]

I'm in process of getting things ready for my next move that I may go. I've already modeled everything on the exterior, and in the VC. I went through the nose of this thing and RE- re-designed it the way it is on the real aircraft. You'll notice areas that are different. The top hood is now removable and animated to sit on the ground next to the left wheel pant. I still have to animate the hood latches. The lower nose bowl I am not sure of just yet. But it is detached and ready. Just not animated. That particular area for animations will fall in the lines of maintenance so the intake pipe will need to be removed at the collar. Shrug

Having gone to this depth has had me considering the modeling of everything under the cowl. Which will be done. MAYBE :icon_lol: The rest of the carburation, intake pipes, throttle linkages and whatnot will need to be made if I go forward with my thoughts. I would be building everything from the firewall to the backplate of the engine.

I also made a new prop. Again. :blind:

Gall dang it. This modeling stuff is addictive. But I like it!

Here's a shot of the new cowl and what's laid out.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/601/futr.png

[txnetcop]

Really looking forward to finished product...amazing work!:jump:
Ted

[OleBoy]

Thanks Ted. You're one of the first to post with any interest in my efforts.
I'm hopeful I can pull this off. For as much as I've been pulled into modeling it all, I've had my fingers crossed that it all works out for literally months. Hehe. :icon_lol:

[Sundog]

The amount of detail you've put into this plane is really well done. I'm looking forward to it as well. Thanks for the previews :)

[dhasdell]

Sorry - I am interested and have been following from day one, but just haven't had anything to offer other than admiration and anticipation.

[txnetcop]

Thanks Ted. You're one of the first to post with any interest in my efforts.
I'm hopeful I can pull this off. For as much as I've been pulled into modeling it all, I've had my fingers crossed that it all works out for literally months. Hehe. :icon_lol:


I think you will find there is more interest than you imagine! I had a very good friend who got me interested in learning to fly by letting me learn on his Aeronca. David and I hit the skies almost every Sat morning. My initial flying was done on the sly in an L4 while in the Army and this was the perfect transition plane. I partnered in a 140 for years after that. Keep 'er comin'!!!
Ted

[Paul Anderson]

Sorry - I am interested and have been following from day one, but just haven't had anything to offer other than admiration and anticipation.

Ditto - thread has more than 10,000 views, so there's quite a few watching developments.

[kilo delta]

Sorry - I am interested and have been following from day one, but just haven't had anything to offer other than admiration and anticipation.

Exactly this.


Just wondering, how is the poly count? :)

[LilSki]

Glad to see you are still at it bringing this old Aeronca back to life! Keep it up! I sure wish I did.

[warchild]

Thats lookin frikkin awesome Oleboy.. Makes me jealous.. your a better modeler than i am :;lol:;..

[hairyspin]

The engine cowling is looking really good now Don, very believable! :applause::applause::applause:

[OleBoy]

No idea why, but the quoting mechanism seems to be going goofy. I'll try it two times to answer everyone.


Glad to see you are still at it bringing this old Aeronca back to life! Keep it up! I sure wish I did.
Well thank-you. I'm sure giving it the ole college try. Your comment is inspiring.


Thats lookin frikkin awesome Oleboy.. Makes me jealous.. your a better modeler than i am :;lol:;..
LOL, I can't compare to a lot of people here. Including yourself, Pam. But I thank you for the inspiration. I really enjoy doing this stuff.
BTW, you're stuff you've been working on, is looking great!


The amount of detail you've put into this plane is really well done. I'm looking forward to it as well. Thanks for the previews :)
I think I'm a little too compulsive. I'll find out when I add the textures and see how many draw calls beat me backwards. :blind:


Sorry - I am interested and have been following from day one, but just haven't had anything to offer other than admiration and anticipation.
What you're offering right now works for me. Comments and critiques are always appreciated. Thank-you.

[OleBoy]

I think you will find there is more interest than you imagine! I had a very good friend who got me interested in learning to fly by letting me learn on his Aeronca. David and I hit the skies almost every Sat morning. My initial flying was done on the sly in an L4 while in the Army and this was the perfect transition plane. I partnered in a 140 for years after that. Keep 'er comin'!!!
Ted
I tend to agree with you in the "interest" category. There are a LOT of members that have viewed the thread. It just surprises me that more have not responded one way or another. Then again, I view a lot of threads and never say anything either. OOPS! Yep, I'm guilty of doing (or not) doing the same. Just the other day I was driving by an old friends house. I helped him build a J3 Cub in his two-car garage. I wanted to drive up the driveway to see if he still lived there or not. I didn't. I think he moved away from the area years ago. He'd promised me a lot of air time back when we were working on it. I bet your experience was something to remember the rest of your life. I've had a few offers through the years myself. Some from doing the repaints I've done for flightsim! If you can believe it. Problem is that they are so far away I can't justify taking them up on their offers. Dang it.


Ditto - thread has more than 10,000 views, so there's quite a few watching developments.
Hi Paul. Indeed there are.


Exactly this.


Just wondering, how is the poly count? :)

Earlier up in the thread PutPut asked the same. It's currently under 220,000 +/- vertice.


The engine cowling is looking really good now Don, very believable! :applause::applause::applause:

Thanks Tom. I was a nervous wreck knowing that I was going to re-do the nose eventually. Just the thought of slicing it off and starting over. It was something major for me to do.
However, I am feeling more and more comfortable as I do different things.

I'm not sure when this darn thing will released. The whole project has been going five steps forward, one back to change things. And so-on. Little by little it seems to be coming together as planned. So that's good.

[warchild]

LOL, I can't compare to a lot of people here. Including yourself, Pam. But I thank you for the inspiration. I really enjoy doing this stuff.
BTW, you're stuff you've been working on, is looking great!


yeahhh, but see, I had someone that knows what they're doing do the really important stuff.. My stuff?? ehh, its not so good yet.. ;) ok, I'll admit it, there is practically "zero" reference material on this boat. Well, unless you wanna count a cute German kid whos picture was taken through the window.. I'm not modeling him though :;lol;;..

The thing is Don, your better than you give yourself credit for, and people like and respect your work..

[aeronca1]

I'm one of the "silents" watching this thread. My forum name says it all as to my interest in this thread. I'm really looking forward to taking this baby for a spin.

[OleBoy]

I'm one of the "silents" watching this thread. My forum name says it all as to my interest in this thread. I'm really looking forward to taking this baby for a spin.

I took notice in your member name long ago. Usually the associated name has something to do with something of interest. So your not making comment earlier on seemed justifiable.
To be honest I'm a little concerned how things will play out concerning draw-calls. My texture sheets have been made up for months, so it's just a matter of mapping them as needed. Doing that portion will be interesting as I get things narrowed down and optimized. Obviously it will be another learning phase as I make my way along to get to my goal that I've had envisioned from the start. I'm keeping fingers crossed. But I expect to be learning more in those stages as I learn to refine for best performance.

[olderndirt]

Though I mentioned in a previous post how much I admired your cable end thimbles and nicco press's, it's the whole gamut of your modelling that makes this project so worthy. You got me looking for AN numbers on your bolt heads. I, for one, am really looking forward to your texture phase.

[OleBoy]

Though I mentioned in a previous post how much I admired your cable end thimbles and nicco press's, it's the whole gamut of your modelling that makes this project so worthy. You got me looking for AN numbers on your bolt heads. I, for one, am really looking forward to your texture phase.

I recall your post. Personally, at that point in the modeling phase, I thought I was going a bit overboard. They are visible. So, I thought why not model them. Ever since that phase of the modeling I've been back stepping in effort to bring out everything I can muster. I'm honestly hoping I don't get shot in the foot so-to-speak from getting too carried away by modeling all the smaller details. Even though the thimbles and nicco ferrals are there, and as few as there are will it work out. I honestly thought about doing the cable wraps the way they were spliced back then. :isadizzy:

AN #'s? You had to say that didn't you. (cringe) :icon_lol:

[OleBoy]

Moving forward after my mentioning the modeling of everything under the hood, and physically creating those areas, I've decided this level of detail is not needed. My modeling is complete. Now I'll focus my attention to what's needed and get this thing done. With help from the masters of course.:sleep:

[dhasdell]

AN #'s? You had to say that didn't you. (cringe) :icon_lol:

Does this mean you are going to go back to the beginning to start adding them?

[OleBoy]

I just happened to be up working on my model at 1am. :icon_lol: Adding them is not a problem. It's merely in the textures applied to the specific nut/bolt arrays. If the information is in the documentation, I honestly doubt I will mess with it except for those in direct view of the pilot, and in the VC only. I will look into it.

The sound package for the model is my highest priority prior to release. Authenticity is key to release of my efforts.

[OleBoy]

Focusing my attention in woodshop, I finally took the added time to get the prop formed correctly. Now I can bolt it in place.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7522/03rp.png

[Roger]

I am so looking forward to flying the "K" :applause:

[OleBoy]

I am so looking forward to flying the "K" :applause:

Take a walk. Ride a bicycle even. It's likely a faster mode of transportation! :icon_lol:

[OleBoy]

This thing may be slow, but it sure has some sexy lines.

Right-click, view-image.
http://imageshack.us/a/img189/453/db8y.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img545/9219/nez6.png

[Marvin Carter]

Just WOW!!!:jawdrop:

[txnetcop]

WOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

​Ted

[OleBoy]

Sunday morning at my PC with a fresh cup of hot coffee, working on how the strut-leg covers flow to the sides of the fuselage in front of the doors. After reviewing several photos of the real aircraft, I realized more cosmetic surgery was needed in that area. Here's the results.

Much better. :)
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/356/r6ej.png

Real world example.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aeronca-K/1694279/L/&sid=725373fdfe5617a92787e63c91b91c8e

[spotlope]

It's looking fantastic! When the textures go on, this should be a very impressive bird indeed.

[OleBoy]

Thanks Bill!

You said the key words I've been keeping in mind during the whole process. Mapping! Being a texture artist, my goals have been to eliminate as much troubles as possible in those areas. That's been the plan anyway!! I think my approach will pay off. I'm real happy with the results.

[OleBoy]

This weekend started off fairly simplistic. Considering I've went through nearly the whole model cleaning things up and refining, I pulled out the photos and other resources for the engine and began looking things over for deficiencies. Considering the engine was the starting point of this timely venture, I knew things could look better than they did. What started as a simple alignment of vertex, soon grew to a lower crank-case/fins rebuild, and the cylinder heads completely redone.

[Tako_Kichi]

It's all part of the process Don. I (and every other modeller I know) have re-worked parts many times over the lifetime of a model, especially in the case of a first model. As you have found skills and abilities improve with time and what was acceptable to you in the beginning starts to look messy and poorly done later. The bottom line is that re-making the parts is good for you and for the model as you both improve.

[OleBoy]

Hi Larry.

I knew my revisiting the engine was coming after what I've done throughout the model already. Back at the beginning stages I was smoking through stuff that looked the part. Not so much so really. This weekend I'm frazzled after a long week at work. So much so that I'd rather be horizontal with my head on a pillow snoozing. :icon_lol: Too early for that so I decided to get something done at any rate.

[OleBoy]

After keeping my pillow company, back at it again.

Here's a few shots after re-working the crankcase and fins, Headfins (also notched for spark plugs), and other areas where needed.

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/7101/bp95.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img29/954/0rj5.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img607/3716/7p4m.png

[TuFun]

Sunday morning at my PC with a fresh cup of hot coffee, working on how the strut-leg covers flow to the sides of the fuselage in front of the doors. After reviewing several photos of the real aircraft, I realized more cosmetic surgery was needed in that area. Here's the results.

Much better. :)
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/356/r6ej.png

Real world example.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aeronca-K/1694279/L/&sid=725373fdfe5617a92787e63c91b91c8e

The fairing to the body looks real good... latest engine work looks fantastic!

[OleBoy]

Thanks Ted.

The model is done. From a modelers perspective. In my eyes anyway.
It's time to map the model and get busy with the paint templates. Who knows how long this phase will be. Six months, a year? Who knows? I'm in no hurry really. It is a hobby.

The next time I post images will be with textures applied. :salute:

[ThinkingManNeil]

Puddlejumper perfection!

:salute::salute::salute:

N.

[OleBoy]

This weekend (so far, :icon_lol:)consisted of more refinements to the engine. I wasn't happy with the cylinder heads, bases, cylinder cooling fins, or head-bolt/washer arrays. They're all new, and better look the part. I also reworked the valve-covers.

I said I was done modeling last weekend. OCD? :kilroy:

[hairyspin]

Nah, MCD: modeling compulsive disorder... :icon_lol: We all get it badly at times.

[OleBoy]

Nah, MCD: modeling compulsive disorder... :icon_lol: We all get it badly at times.

HeHe. I'm guilty.


To any and all following this project:

Thoughts that come to mind. I'll clear the air with my thoughts now.

Numerous times throughout this project, I wish I had the opportunity to see an Aeronca K so I could take photos. While the photos around the internet are nice, they are really nothing more than distant visual reference. Not much use for what I'm doing. The drawings have been more useful in that respect. But there are situations (many) where I've had to guess based on the images that are available that others have taken through the years due to some factory drawings not available.

With that said I know that my 3D model is not exact in every way because of situations mentioned. But it's very, very close to what was built in the factory back in the day.

Throughout my efforts of modeling the K, I've posted many images here showing my progress. And out of all the virtual flight enthusiasts who frequent the forum I am member too, I don't think any of them have been as close to the real thing to base judgment in my efforts to make the K in 3D. Least if there is someone who really knows their way around the K model, they've remained silent.

I guess time will tell when it comes to my releasing it when it's completed. All heck will break loose basing judgment that I did something incorrectly. By then I will not be revisiting the model to correct things unless hard proof images or drawings are supplied. I think I'm safe in that respect. One never knows though. So please, if anyone has anything to add that will help my efforts in creating the project authenticity, I encourage and welcome your replies. :)